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wrong, mena and I both posted Lorenzo de' Medici and there was no discrepancy between the images

he looks like one of the lighter skinned Igbos

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quote:
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wrong, mena and I both posted Lorenzo de' Medici and there was no discrepancy between the images

he looks like one of the lighter skinned Igbos

^^^ your using sarcasm

both you and mena are opposites

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you have the wrong type of opposite.
The difference is in methodology. Anything I don't see thoroughly investigated I will take issue with. For instance the conclusions of the authors of the Abusir study. I can't agree with that. They make broad assumptions based on a limited sample.
I have at least four threads on books about black Europeans. They get few replies. People would rather look at pictures and make up the stories

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
you have the wrong type of opposite.
The difference is in methodology. Anything I don't see thoroughly investigated I will take issue with. For instance the conclusions of the authors of the Abusir study. I can't agree with that. They make broad assumptions based on a limited sample.
I have at least four threads on books about black Europeans. They get few replies. People would rather look at pictures and make up the stories

no
all you do is copy and paste with no primary sources

you use the same methods as mena because you regurgitate alot of information that you your self have not investigated or can verify.

Both you and mena are in the same boat, just at different ends of the boat.

for example
your thread on Angelo Soliman was typical copy and paste with no primary sources or originality

your version of black history is only limited to two categories Sub-Saharan Africa and Slavery

your version of Black European history will fall in the slavery category

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
you have the wrong type of opposite.
The difference is in methodology. Anything I don't see thoroughly investigated I will take issue with. For instance the conclusions of the authors of the Abusir study. I can't agree with that. They make broad assumptions based on a limited sample.
I have at least four threads on books about black Europeans. They get few replies. People would rather look at pictures and make up the stories

no
all you do is copy and paste with no primary sources

you use the same methods as mena because you regurgitate alot of information that you your self have not investigated or can verify.

Both you and mena are in the same boat, just at different ends of the boat.

for example
your thread on Angelo Soliman was typical copy and paste with no primary sources or originality

your version of black history is only limited to two categories Sub-Saharan Africa and Slavery

your version of Black European history will fall in the slavery category

Again, I have at least four threads on blacks in Europe. So you saying that my version of black history is only limited to two categories Sub-Saharan Africa and Slavery has no basis.
I also have other threads on specific black Europeans

And if you have something to produce on blacks in Europe that is a primary source you should do it, otherwise you are just bluffing and blowing hot air. You have nothing on the table right now, just mad because I provide context and background information when people delve into fantasy history. Let's see if you can come up with something black European I haven't covered already
However it's quite peculiar how "European" used to be an oppressor category but now there is a whole movement on the internet to try to be them.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
you have the wrong type of opposite.
The difference is in methodology. Anything I don't see thoroughly investigated I will take issue with. For instance the conclusions of the authors of the Abusir study. I can't agree with that. They make broad assumptions based on a limited sample.
I have at least four threads on books about black Europeans. They get few replies. People would rather look at pictures and make up the stories

no
all you do is copy and paste with no primary sources

you use the same methods as mena because you regurgitate alot of information that you your self have not investigated or can verify.

Both you and mena are in the same boat, just at different ends of the boat.

for example
your thread on Angelo Soliman was typical copy and paste with no primary sources or originality

your version of black history is only limited to two categories Sub-Saharan Africa and Slavery

your version of Black European history will fall in the slavery category

Again, I have at least four threads on blacks in Europe. So you saying that my version of black history is only limited to two categories Sub-Saharan Africa and Slavery has no basis.
I also have other threads on specific black Europeans

And if you have something to produce on blacks in Europe that is a primary source you should do it, otherwise you are just bluffing and blowing hot air. You have nothing on the table right now, just mad because I provide context and background information when people delve into fantasy history. Let's see if you can come up with something black European I haven't covered already
However it's quite peculiar how "European" used to be an oppressor category but now there is a whole movement on the internet to try to be them.

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im going to call your bluff

What is the legacy of Angelo Soliman?
(please no copy and past history)

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Angelo Soliman's legacy was changing free masonry rules to allow the reading of scientific papers within the lodges, the spreading of scientific thought
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quote:
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Angelo Soliman's legacy was changing free masonry rules to allow the reading of scientific papers within the lodges, the spreading of scientific thought

where is your primary sources?

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Don't be a knucklehead. You never even heard of this guy until I made a thread on him. Now you're playing games


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light skinned images are actually representations of gold


And you have a primary source for this and numerous other posts?
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quote:
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Don't be a knucklehead. You never even heard of this guy until I made a thread on him. Now you're playing games


quote:
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light skinned images are actually representations of gold


And you have a primary source for this and numerous other posts?
so basically you have no primary source
im not surprised
that is why i put you in the same boat as mena

nefertari was my primary source on on the light skin thread

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quote:
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light skinned images are actually representations of gold


Again, you have no primary source for that statement that yellow skin represents gold.

This is just one statement which you have no primary source for.
After this we will go one by one into various claims you have made and see if you have listed a primary source

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:

light skinned images are actually representations of gold


Again, you have no primary source for that statement that yellow skin represents gold.

This is just one statement which you have no primary source for.
After this we will go one by one into various claims you have made and see if you have listed a primary source

again
nefertari was my primary source on the light skin thread

Hathor is called the golden one (nbwt) in ancient Egyptian texts
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^^^ try to disprove this source

i always provide primary sources

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quote:
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Ancient Egyptian men took on foreign wives and light skinned images are actually representations of gold

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^^^
notice the difference in complexion on the same woman [/QB]

Here you say that Egyptian women had foreign wives

and in the same sentence you say light skinned images are actually representations of gold.

That doesn't make sense. If the subject is Egyptian men having foreign wives light skinned images representing gold has nothing to do with foreign wives. Logically it should be two separate thoughts, not associated with one another and requiring two separate sentences and it would still be inexplicable if these two sentences followed each other.
But you are confused

That aside you say light skinned images are actually representations of gold.
So apparently you don't know what a "primary source" is. Merely showing a yellow figure does not prove it was intended to be gold. That would have to shown in an Egyptian text.
- which you have not provided. You have merely copy and pasted a picture and made a claim lacking a primary source , plus you didn't even know the goddesses name until Djehuti mentioned it

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quote:
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there is documentation that Egypt had many wars with Europeans such as the goths, Thracians, Spaniards, and Scythians via sesotris

^^ absurd psuedo-historical claims with no primary source
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:


Ancient Egyptian men took on foreign wives and light skinned images are actually representations of gold

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^^^
notice the difference in complexion on the same woman

Here you say that Egyptian women had foreign wives

and in the same sentence you say light skinned images are actually representations of gold.

That doesn't make sense. If the subject is Egyptian men having foreign wives light skinned images representing gold has nothing to do with foreign wives. Logically it should be two separate thoughts, not associated with one another and requiring two separate sentences and it would still be inexplicable if these two sentences followed each other.
But you are confused

That aside you say light skinned images are actually representations of gold.
So apparently you don't know what a "primary source" is. Merely showing a yellow figure does not prove it was intended to be gold. That would have to shown in an Egyptian text.
- which you have not provided. You have merely copy and pasted a picture and made a claim lacking a primary source , plus you didn't even know the goddesses name until Djehuti mentioned it [/QB]

hathor is called the golden one

Hymn from the Sanctuary of the Temple of Dendera

"Adoration to You, , the Golden One
Mistress of Iunet,
The August and Powerful One in the Sanctuary-of-the-August-One,
The One who shines like gold in the Temple-of-the-Sistrum,
The Atenet in the Land of Atum!
I adore Your Majesty with Your heart's desire.
I invoke Your Image with the sacred texts,
I exalt Your Ka to the height of heaven,
I worship Your Image to the limits of the rays of the Aten.

Come in peace, progress in joy,
Your heart is sweetened by hearing prayers,
Het-Hert the Great, Mistress of Iunet,
The Eye of Ra, Mistress of Heaven,
Sovereign of All the Gods,
The Great Uraeus, the Mistress of the Great Sanctuary,
Your beautiful face is satisfied with your beloved son,
The King of Upper and Lower Egypt,
Master of the Two Lands, eternally."

Hathor is depicted on many monuments as golden

Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives

example
One of the "Amarna Letters" negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta's daughter Tadukhipa
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
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there is documentation that Egypt had many wars with Europeans such as the goths, Thracians, Spaniards, and Scythians via sesotris

^^ absurd psuedo-historical claims with no primary source
Sesostris was called emperor of the world
"you (senwosret I)have subdue what the sun encircles" story of sinhue

Goths, Thracians, Spaniards, and Scythians had no written history during the reign of sesostris however they do have ancient oral tradition that was passed down that discusses their war with sesostris

Example
The War of Vesosis (sesostris) the egyptian and Tanausis the goth

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Im still waiting on your primary source for Angelo Soliman

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quote:
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hathor is called the golden one

Hymn from the Sanctuary of the Temple of Dendera

"Adoration to You, , the Golden One
Mistress of Iunet,



So I was right, you only dig up sources when asked

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light skinned images are actually representations of gold


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Sennefer and Hatshepsut-Meryetre  -

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That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin.

quote:
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Hathor is depicted on many monuments as golden



what do you mean "monuments"
statues, tomb wall paintings?

quote:
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Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives


what does that have to do with anything?
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What is the legacy of Angelo Soliman?

I have no idea, you tell me I haven't seen the primary sources, they are hard to find.
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That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin

and men are not half lions
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ancient Egyptian women payed homage to hathor because she was the goddess of mothers and wives

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quote:
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quote:
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What is the legacy of Angelo Soliman?

I have no idea, you tell me I haven't seen the primary sources, they are hard to find.
so you have no primary source but yet you made the claim


[Roll Eyes]
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quote:
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That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin

quote:
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ancient Egyptian women payed homage to hathor because she was the goddess of mothers and wives

quote:
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Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives

example
One of the "Amarna Letters" negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta's daughter Tadukhipa

Make up your mind
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the the lioness

That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner

ancient Egyptian women payed homage to hathor because she was the goddess of mothers and wives

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:


Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives

example
One of the "Amarna Letters" negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta's daughter Tadukhipa

Make up your mind

^^^ all the above

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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quote:
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That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner

ancient Egyptian women payed homage to hathor because she was the goddess of mothers and wives

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:


Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives

example
One of the "Amarna Letters" negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta's daughter Tadukhipa

Make up your mind

^^^ all the above
So the light skin is a natural skin tone of foreign women yet at the same time the light skin is symbolically paying homage to Hathor, yeah that makes sense
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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quote:
Originally posted by the the lioness

That would not explain these portraits of women who are not gods. Women don't have golden skin

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner

ancient Egyptian women payed homage to hathor because she was the goddess of mothers and wives

quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:


Egyptians took on foreign Asiatic wives

example
One of the "Amarna Letters" negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta's daughter Tadukhipa

Make up your mind

^^^ all the above
So the light skin is a natural skin tone of foreign women yet at the same time the light skin is symbolically paying homage to Hathor, yeah that makes sense
Sometimes the yellow skin could be the complexion of a foriegner

Sometimes the yellow skin can be the symbol for gold to showcase hathor

makes perfect sense

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quote:
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(i get that there are black people outside of Africa but everyone's history is not black)

Everyone's history is indeed BLACK, albino people come from Melanated people. So everything starts off as BLACK and deteriorates. Black History Is Worldwide.

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