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The Egypt Search Forums have been a fountain of Knowledge about Egyptian and Black Civilizations. The first forum to bring a renaissance to research about Egypt, was the Egyptology Forum. This forum allowed researchers to redefine Egyptian society as an African Civilization, Overtime, people began to post threads on non-Egyptian Black societies and history. This forum was the Ancient Egyptian Forum of ES. On this forum we regularly presented Threads on the ancient Black Civilizations and made this forum a site for Afrocentric truths. This upset the original posters at the Egyptology Forum, who practice the research methods of contributionism and the method of Authority. Contributionist researchers are Afro-Americans who write about the contributions of Blacks to Egyptian history. These researchers acknowledge the role of Egypt as a Black Civilization. The Contributionists use the research Method of Authority to conduct their research. The Method of Authority is a method in which Afro-American researchers find research conducted by any white researcher that suggest Egypt was a Black Civilization. Although they accept the research of whites as valid and reliable, they ignore the 200 years of research in the African roots of Egypt presented by Dubois, J.A. Rogers, John Jackson and even Anta Diop.
The major researchers on the Ancient Egypt Forum: Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, Ish Gebor, and Narmerthoth practice Afrocentrism and Africalogy, instead of Contiburtionism. The major Afrocentric researchers are Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, they base their research on the Afro-American researchers who have firmly grounded their research on Black Civilizations on historical and anthropological sources. These researchers acknowledge that races exist, and that we are members of the Black race.
Narmerthoth is the site’s Philosopher. He revisits the themes that Afrocentrism are founded from a scientific bases like his research on melanin . He also highlights the important role business acumen could play in giving the Black Community independence. He also ask the questions relating to our history that makes us think.
Ish Gebor is the Ancient Egypt Forums bibliophile. Ish finds the articles and books that support Afrocentric themes. He presents the data in a thoughtful way which cause one to think and reevaluate the data to make sure it is saying what we believe it is saying.
Another important researcher here was the original ‘the lioness Inc.’ Granted ‘the lioness Inc’ is a provocateur, s/he/they provided great research sources in s/he’s debates that made you think. It appears that the pressure we put on 'the lioness Inc.' was so great that around 9 months ago the original ‘the lioness Inc’ disappeared. Today’s lioness is just a stupid Euroloon that contributes very little to Ancient Egypt debates.
Most of the other contributors here are not original thinkers. These researchers came from the Egyptology Forum. They are jealous of the fact that the main Ancient Egypt researchers: Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, Ish Gebor, and Narmerthoth have the courage to write what they believe , citing sources and interpreting the sources from a scientific perspective.
The other researchers on the Ancient Egypt Forum cite sources without any evaluation of the source they cite for validity and reliability. They assume that if an article was published in a peer reviewed journal, or any research done by whites it is/has to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, just because it was done by a white researcher.
The science the other researchers practice is called: "Science by Authority". People who practice science by authority believe that any research done by a European--no matter who they are, or done by Black researchers found acceptable by Europeans in the academy, e.g., Gates, Mboli and Keita is recognized as correct while they ignore research from "alternative African scholarly sources." not recognized by the "mainstream" i.e., "Europeans".
A coconut is brown on the outside and white on the inside.
A coconut represents Blacks who are confused about their identity and need someone white to verify they are thinking correct and scholarly.These people spend their time citing any white scholar that happens to claim that Blacks have contributed anything to history.
The best example of this is references to Bernal's Black Athena-- which was promoting a Semitic-centric [Hyksos] origin for the Egyptian influence on ancient Greece--as an "Afro-Centric text".
These pseudo-coconuts they are pseudo-coconuts because they don't don't consiously see themselves as uncle TOMS because they support their views by citing any European who promotes an idea they feel illustrates a contribution of Blacks to world history. They don't realize that they continue to practice the old Afro-American saying, "If you're "white you're right.If you're black get back. If you're brown [or acceptable to whites] stick around.
The "alternative African scholarly sources." would represent the heroes of the Afrocentric Social Sciences: DuBois, J.A. Rogers, Diop, John Jackson and etc.
In the 1990's, the media in articles published by Newsweek, the New York Times, and Time magazine, was able to show that Ivan van Sertima and Hunter Adams were Charlatan
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A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
Ivan was shown to be a Charlatan because he could not back-up what he had wrote in the books he edited in the 1980's.Hunter, pretended to be a scientist working at Argon National Laboratory when he was really a Janitor.
This was pure deception on the part of conservatives. The attacks on Ivan were unfounded because Ivan, as the editor of the books only wrote about the upcoming chapters in the books you were about to read. Hunter, was wrong to pretend he was a scientist. At the time Hunter was employed by the University of Chicago and could have got his degree through the University--but he refused to do eventhough I advise him to do so as early as 1979.
Young researchers who write on this site accept that Afrocentrism lacks any foundation because of the media attacks on Ivan and Hunter. These young people have an inferiority complex, and seek out any white/European authority to support their work.
They do this out of ignorance. They don't know that Hunter and Ivan were not Afrocentists. Ivan was not an Afrocentrist's, he made a name for himself popularizing the work of others.
As a result, eventhough no one has falsified the research of DuBois, John Jackson, J.A. Rogers Diop , and the other heroes of the Afrocentric Social Science, young people here spend all their time citing anything written by "whites" that show some sort of contribution of Blacks to ancient history.This is sad.
I have taught research methods at the Graduate school level for years. One of the things we teach Graduate students is to become expert consumers of research literature. They become expert comsumers by understanding the foundations and theories of learning and pedagogy.Using this as the knowledge base you crtically analyze eucational research based on these theories.
Young researchers here don't know the roots of Afrocentrism or they read this literature with a jaundice eye, colored by Europeans who hate Afrocentrism because it shows history has been white washed--to white out African people from history. This is a sad situation because we have a 200 year tradition of the Afrocentric Social Science that was mianly contructed by Afro-American scholars who held Phds and MAs, most from Harverd, e.g.,Carter G. Woodson, DuBois and Hansberry.
Because of the tradition of an Afrocentric Social Science, young researchers should base their understanding of the African origin of Egypt, based on the research of Afrocentric social science like DuBois and Diop. But instead of doing this the young researchers here seek out any white authority or Black recognized by these whites, to support the African origin of Egypt.
This is not the way research should be done. Good research should cite the original research done by the heroes of Afrocentric research, and then cite the recent research that confirms the original findings of the Afrocentric researchers. This would promote the continuity of research, instead of acting like every "new" publication on the African origin of Egypt is so significant or outstanding.
The research of Marc and Mike is a good example of confirmation studies, that is the major occupation of professional researchers. They have confirmed the theory of J.A. Rogers that the families of many European elites were of African origin. They also created a new hypothesis: Many early Americans were Black Europeans who immigrated to America from Europe. This was an important hypothesis, which Mike confirmed, because it added more evidence to the fact that all Afro-Americans were not slaves.
You can find out more on the Structure of the Afrocentric Social Science at:
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In the 1990's after Eurocentrists were able to show that the authors of the Portland Essays, namely Hunter Adams and Ivan van Sertima knew very little about African and Black History they were able to claim that Afrocentrism is unfounded.
The majority of the Coconuts and "other" researchers that post on this site have accepted the Eurocentric propaganda that Afrocentrism lacks a foundation and due to fear they rarely acknowledge the research of the Afro-American savants: DuBois, Rogers and Jackson, and Diop.
The "other" researchers appear to have an inferiority complex, because they fail to accept the concept of race. They seem to not want to be Black.
The German propagandist Goebbels, noted that
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
This statement about the 'Big Lie' relates to the myth that Afrocentrism lacks validity.
Most academic debates have been confined to academic journals. This has not been the case in regards to Afrocentrism.
The recent success in the "resisters" attack on the Portland Afrocentric curriculum, and the publication of anti-Afrocentric articles in the popular press can make it very difficult for teachers to include Afrocentrism in their social studies curricula. The opposition to Afrocentrism in the schools has been mounted by Erich Martel, a high school history teacher in Washington,D.C. Mr. Martel (1991,1992) in Anthro-Notes, has based his attack on Afrocentrism on the research by Frank Snowden Jr., of Howard University and Frank Yurco of Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History. Both Snowden (l992) and Yurco (1989) maintain that the base of the Egyptians were "white".
Due to the rise of the Afrocentric educational idea (Asante, 991/1992) the "resisters" have begun to publicly question ancient Africalogical research by Afrocentric scholars because of the shortcomings of Black Athena:The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (volumes 1 & 2) by Martin Bernal, and a teaching aid produced in Portland (Martel 1992). Over the past couple of years articles attacking Afrocentricism and Diop have appeared in the Washington Post,(Nicholson, 1990), the New York Times, (Marriott, 1991), Newsweek magazine (Adler, 1991), Time magazine (Hughes, 1992),The New Republic (Lefkowitz, 1992); and educational journals: The American Scholar (Ravitch, 1991), Educational Leadership (Martel, 1992) and Anthro-Notes (Martel , 1992).
In these articles Afrocentrists are described as "cranks" (Hughes, 1992), and "ethnocentrists" (Schlesinger, 1992). Their views are referred to as being based on "poor and outdated sources", and as a result their work is "unscientific" and "lack adequate proof". Outside of the rhetorical response to Afrocentrism the "resisters" attempt to make it clear that the Egyptians were a mixed population like that of the United States which got darker and "more Negroid" the further down the Nile you went.
In the 1990's, the media in articles published by Newsweek, the New York Times, and Time magazine, was able to show that Ivan van Sertima and Hunter Adams were Charlatan /
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A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
Ivan was shown to be a Charlatan because he could not back-up what he had wrote in the books he edited in the 1980's.Hunter, pretended to be a scientist working at Argon National Laboratory when he was really a Janitor.
This was pure deception on the part of conservatives. The attacks on Ivan were unfounded because Ivan, as the editor of the books only wrote about the upcoming chapters in the books you were about to read. Hunter, was wrong to pretend he was a scientist. At the time Hunter was employed by the University of Chicago and could have got his degree through the University--but he refused to do eventhough I advise him to do so as early as 1979.
Young researchers who write on this site accept that Afrocentrism lacks any foundation because of the media attacks on Ivan and Hunter. These young people have an inferiority complex, and seek out any white/European authority to support their work.
They do this out of ignorance. They don't know that Hunter and Ivan were not Afrocentists. Ivan was not an Afrocentrist's, he made a name for himself popularizing the work of others.
As a result, eventhough no one has falsified the research of DuBois, John Jackson, J.A. Rogers Diop , and the other heroes of the Afrocentric Social Science, young people here spend all their time citing anything written by "whites" that show some sort of contribution of Blacks to ancient history.
This attack on Afrocentrism is aimed directly at members of school boards and teachers of elementary and high schools that want to add Afrocentrism to the curriculum. Usually a teacher /must explain to the department head, principal or school board why they feel changes should be made in the school curriculum. During these discussions the teacher must be able to defend the soundness of the Afrocentric idea before a curriculum committee at their individual school, school district or school board.
SOURCES OF AFROCENTRICISM
Many Eurocentric scholars act as though African scholars only recently began to write on Afrocentric themes. The origin of this field of research goes back to W.E.B. DuBois' publication of The Negro, and the work of J.A. Rogers. Rogers research encompassed three major area; 1) the antiquity of Blacks; 2) how and why races mix; 3) and inspirational and biographical sources of great Black men and women. His major works include 100 Amazing Facts about the Negro and his three volume Sex and Race.
Another important work on ancient Blacks was Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cushite Empire, by Drusilla D Houston. In this book Houston illustrated that Blacks founded the civilizations of south Arabia, Egypt, India and Persia.
Other important books about ancient Black civilizations were written by Leo Hansberry, who became interested in the history of African people after reading The Negro, by DuBois; and Joseph Ben-Jochannan, whose major works include Black Men on the Nile, and Africa Mother of Western Civilization.
Although all of these scholars illuminated the Black past, Anta Diop stands above the rest because of his mastery of so many disciplines. Although Europeans attempt to place ancient Kem (Egypt) as a part of the Middle East, Diop has shown in such books as The African Origin of Civilization", Civilization or Barbarism, and The Cultural Unity of Black Africa, that Egypt was an African civilization.
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No you, Mike,Narmer,Ironcocksucker,Marc,Troll Patrol practice Black supremacy and Anti-White-ism. Nothing more nothing less. You & they teach that Whites are inferior. That Whites are not human. That Whites have no history. That Whites have no heritage. That Whites have no identity. That Whites have no homeland. That Whites have built & achieved nothing. That Whites have nothing to be proud of as Whites & should be ashamed of being White. You & they also teach that Whites have no right to knowledge of self as well. That is what you teach and that is what Afro-centrism is Black supremacy, White inferiority & Anti-White-ism.
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Euronuts are very ungrateful. Africans have taught Europeans the arts and sciences but today they attack the people who gave them knowledge.
You Euronuts are nurtured on lies and myths. You believe in your heart of hearts that Europeans have always been superior to Africans. This is false. Beginning with the Egyptians Black Africans have given you enlightenment. But your racists keeps you Euronuts in darkness.
You Euronuts in your childish view of the world believe that Europeans have always ruled Africans--but history shows this not to be true. Europeans made colonies in Africa beginning in 1899. By the 1960's African countries were "given" their independence. This is only around 60+ years of colonial rule.
Euronuts you should think about this if Europeans were so superior why couldn't they keep their colonies in Africa for more than sixty (60) years.
But lets look at the history of Europe. African Mulsims from Senegal ruled Spain and much of France for almost 400 years. These Black Africans did not leave Europe until 1492. It was these Black Africans who gave your ignorant ancestors science, the arts and education. Moreover, the First Universities of Spain and France, which were used as models by other European nations were founded by Black African scholars.
In addition, much of the royalty in Europe have Black African roots through the Black African Muslims that ruled Europe.
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. The fact that whereas Black Africans ruled Spain and much of France for 400 years, while Europeans only ruled Africa for 60+ years make Euronuts jealous of the history of African people.
These Euronuts hate Afrocentrism because it is this social science which uses Classicla, anthropological, historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to prove the great history of African people and our founding of civilization in Africa,Asia, Americas and Europe. . . Euronuts stop being jealous of African people and their history. We know you are jealous because you spend so much time posting threads to promote your superiority which are constantly shown to be absent validity.
This image clearly shows that it was white people wearing Muslim dress. It is further proof of Europeans imatating Blacks.
If you read the passage you can clearly see the word blanco (white). It is also clear from both paintings the servants were Europeans.
Moreover if you look at the painting it has the whites reading/examining a document written in Arabic. This reflects the fact that your ungrateful people learned chess from the Blacks--like everything else.
Your people are so ungrateful...
Shame on you
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Although Lefkowitz teaches classical studies her research methods leave a lot to be desired. She declares in Not Out of Africa that , "there is no archaeological data to support the notion that Egyptians migrated to Greece during the second millennium B.C. (or before that)" .
This statement is untrue. There is an abundance of evidence that the Egyptians had long settled many parts of ancient Greece.
In the ancient writings of the Greeks, the Egyptians were called Melampodes or "blackfeet". The Egyptians were also called Danaans in Greek history.
According to Hyainus in Fabula , and Appollonius, when the Danaans came to Greece they were called 'blackfeet'. This view is supported by the discovery of an inscribed stone in the Peloponnese that had Egyptian writing on it dating to the 5th Dynasty.
This short review of the Classical literature relating to the African identity of the Egyptians suggest that the views held by Lefkowitz in relation to an Egyptian presence in Egypt may not be correct.Numerous archaeologist have found abundant evidence of Egyptians settled in Greece long before the coming of the Indo-European-Aryans to Anatolia.
Cecil Torr in Memphis and Mycenae , discussed the inscriptions of Amemhotep found in a Mycenaean tomb at Ialysos in Rhodes and an 18th Dynasty scarab dating to the same period. As a result of the discovery of these artifacts Torr speculated that there were relations between Egypt and Greece between 1271 and 850 B.C.
The discovery of Torr was only the tip of the iceberg. Since the discovery of these artifacts in the 19th Century, archaeological evidence of Egyptians in Greece during the 2nd millennium has also been reported by J.D.S. Pendlebury, William A. Ward, and S.W. Manning .
Pendlebury provides a detailed discussion of the Egyptian material found at Laconia, Argolid, Thebes in Boeotia, and Athens. Pendlebury like Torr, believes that there were close relations between Greece and Egypt between the 12th and 7th centuries B.C.
Pendlebury's Aegyptiaca, has been excellently followed up by N. J. Skon Jedele, in her recent dissertation on Egyptian artifacts found in Greece. This dissertation provides even more examples of Egyptian artifacts found in Greece than those recorded by Pendlebury over sixty years ago.
Manning gives a well balanced discussion of the Egyptian material found in the Aegean area dating between the Old Kingdom and Dynasties 10 and ll. The work of Hankey and Warren indicate that there is archaeological evidence for Egyptians in ancient Greece, contrary to the false claims of Lefkowitz in Not Out of Africa.
The question must be asked, if there is this abundance of literature relating to an Egyptian role in ancient Greece, Why does Lefkowitz fail to discuss this literature? This question must be answered by Lefkowitz.
The failure of Lefkowitz to discuss this relevant knowledge base is inexcusable given her position at a prestigious Eastern University. The existence of a rich literature on the presence of Egyptians in ancient Greece makes Lefkowitz's claims about the ancient Greeks patently false.
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1. Lefkowitz, Not out of Africa, p.157.
2.Cecil Torr, Memphis and Mycenae, (London: Cambridge University Press, 1896) p.61.
3.Ibid., pp.64-65.
4. J.D.S. Pendlebury, Aegyptica: A catalogue of Egyptian objects in the Aegean Area, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1930.
5. William W. Ward, Egypt and the Mediterranean World 2200- 1900 B.C., Beirut: American University of Beirut. 1971.
6. S.W. Manning, The absolute chronology of the Aegean Early Bronze Age, Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press.
. Euronut Liar 2 is Stephen Howe.
Stephen Howe’s Afrocentrism:Mythical Pasts and Imagined Homes , purportedly explain the research traditions of the Afrocentric scholars via the demerits of Martin Bernal’s Black Athena. As a result, they fail to realistically discuss the contentious discourses surrounding the ancient Afrocentric historical memory and detail the methods and paradigms associated with this pedagogy.
Howe fail to fulfill the anxious expectations of many readers of the books who had hoped his work would be balanced and situated on the evidence. Howe sees the study of ancient Afrocentric historical themes as a tradition of dissent rather than a field of study with its own tradition of normal science. Like D'Souza and Leftkowitz this author without supporting evidence devalue ancient Afrocentric historical education. Moreover, the most exasperating aspect of Howe's writing is that he uses Bernal's Black Athena , as an Afrocentric history text, and then proceeds to use criticism of this work to "disconfirm" the Afrocentric ancient history discipline. This book is not an Afrocentric primer.
In the africalogical social sciences, researchers look at the history and society of African people from an African centered or Afrocentric perspective. The Afrocentrist connects Africans in America and elsewhere to thousands of years of history and civilization.
There are three problems with this book of Howe . These problems include :
1) Howe fails to discuss the research of Afrocentric scholars critically;
2) Howe presents the Afrocentric study of ancient history as a recent development ; and
3) the major reason proffered for his attacks on Afrocentrism is that the “academy” rejects the discipline.
Howe fails to proffer and outline the major Afrocentric ancient history text. Afrocentric scholars make hundreds of detailed archaeological, historical and linguistic claims, which have not been systematically refuted or discussed by the author Howe . The fact that Howe ignores the historical research of Afrocentric scholars makes his works narrow and unrepresentative of the ancient Afrocentric history discipline. In general, we have to dismiss Howe’s work, due to alledged external factors such as “race thinking”, “personal prejudices”, “social and political pressures” and “ideology” rather than disconfirmation of Afrocentric hypotheses.
Howe never presents any historical evidence to refute the paradigms of ancient Afrocentric history. Moreover, he fails to explain how scholars like W.E.B. DuBois and George Wells Parker made it clear in their writings that Blacks probably founded civilization in Greece and China in addition to Egypt is based on the latest historical and anthropological evidence available to these authors during this time. This is important, because if the researches of these scholars was fraudulent Howe and his cohorts should be able to present opposing evidence which disconfirms the researches of DuBois, Parker and the other Afrocentric scholars? But alas, there is no evidence presented to disconfirm the research of these Afrocentrists.
Howe acknowledges the long history of Afrocentric research and provides his readers with a series of negative comments made by critics of Chiek Anta Diop without any concern with checking their accuracy. Then in the next breathe Howe explains that much of the work of Afrocentric scholars like Chiek Anta Diop, cross so many disciplines that he is unable to expertly assess the Afrocentric initiatives/propositions of ancient Afrocentric history. And as a result, he cannot grasp the impressive synthesis of scholarship found in the work of Afrocentric scholars.
This admission negates Howe’s basic premise that Afrocentric research is “untrustworthy”, his lack of expertise in the cross-disciplinary procedures of the Afrocentric scholars make it clear that he is unable to expertly assess and evaluate the initiatives/propositions of ancient Afrocentric history. Consequently, he cannot grasp the impressive synthesis of scholarship found in the works of Afrocentric scholars.
Howe claims that Afrocentric history is reverse-racism because Afrocentric researchers have used the classical, historical ,anthropological and linguistic literature to illustrate the African/Black origin of many of the River Valley and Grecian civilizations (p.48). Yet Howe fails to provide crucial examples of the falsification of the sources used by Afrocentric scholars. This makes the claims of Howe that Afro-American contributions to ancient history are either non-existent or irrelevant, groundless.
Howe’s interpretations of Afrocentric researchers are contradictory and confusing. For example, on the one hand he claims that Dubois’ book the The Negro , “overall, his account avoided the sensationalism and special pleading, being a solid reflection of the state of knowledge at that time” (p.52), and therefore acceptable to the “academy”, yet in general DuBois’ work is romantic. How can a work be both factual and “romantic”. Clearly, Howe’s opinion about DuBois’ work is based more on his personal bias rather than evidence.
Howe asks us to reject Afrocentric research based on “authority”. He makes a number of claims about the inadequacy of the ancient Afrocentric historical memory, but he does not provide critical analysis of the historical claims he disputes. For example, Howe claims that Diop failed to prove his connections between West Africa and Egypt eventhough, he provides a 200-page lexicon of hundreds of cognate Wolof-Egyptian terms. He said that:
quote: The basic flaw [ of Parente genetique ]is that in order to trace the history of languages, to identify shared roots, patterns of evolution and divergence, it is entirely inadequate simply to list similar-sounding or possibly related terms in different languages (p.178).
This comment by Howe, on Diop’s work, would seem to be a reasonable analysis of one of Diop’s major works. But anyone who has actually read Parente genetique de l’egyptien pharanique et des langues negro-africaines, knows that Diop spent the first 200 plus pages of this book discussing in detail the grammatical and structural affinities of Egyptian and African languages. The failure of Howe to discuss this fact leads one to assume that he purposely avoids mentioning this fact so as to imply that Diop was an incompetent scholar.
At the base of Eurocentrism is the doctrine of white supremacy. This ideological foundation aims to thwart the Afro-Americans' search for manhood and self-assertion, when ever they encounter intensified prejudice by white Americans.
This major component of Eurocentrism is the notion of African-American intellectual inferiority. As a result, European scholars can write and research the history of any people on earth. But, African Americans on the otherhand, are believed to lack the intellectual capacity to research, let alone write ancient history.
Fighting C.A.I.D.S.
Due to the alleged intellectual inferiority of Africans it is believed that they are unsuited to write ancient history, international affairs, or archaeology. This may result from several factors especially racial bias and social position. These factors are important ,because of the fact that formerly persons writing ancient history themes usually came from well-to-do or middle-class families that could provide them with the capital to undertake research activities abroad. This belief has ghettoized many African American scholars and authors , to writing only about slavery, the slave trade and/or the cycle of poverty typified by life in the urban centers of the United States.
Little has changed in the past 100 years, Howe asserts that Afro-Americans should reframe from writing about ancient history because “their ideas, like cultural nationalism in general, quite simply have nothing at all to say about the most central problem facing Afro-Americans: the conditions of economic marginality, insecurity and underprivileged under which most of them exist” (p.14). It is obvious from this statement that establishment historians wish to constrain the intellectual inquiry of Afro-American scholars.
Howe’s major contribution to the study of ancient Afrocentrism is criticism of Diop’s use of dated references in many of his works. But this criticism is nebulas because nowhere in Afrocentrism does Howe disconfirm the sources used by Chiek Anta Diop. The failure to disconfirm the research of Chiek Anta Diop and the other Afrocentric scholars mentioned in his book makes Howe's Afrocentrism deeply flawed.
This book by Howe does not refute research conducted by Afrocentric scholars. It is a feel good book for Europeans who want to ignore the long history of African people.
It is shame Euronuts are so jealous of the history of African and Black people.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Clyde,
No you, Mike,Narmer,Ironcocksucker,Marc,Troll Patrol practice Black supremacy and Anti-White-ism. Nothing more nothing less. You & they teach that Whites are inferior. That Whites are not human. That Whites have no history. That Whites have no heritage. That Whites have no identity. That Whites have no homeland. That Whites have built & achieved nothing. That Whites have nothing to be proud of as Whites & should be ashamed of being White. You & they also teach that Whites have no right to knowledge of self as well. That is what you teach and that is what Afro-centrism is Black supremacy, White inferiority & Anti-White-ism.
It's funny, reading stupid comments from some uneducated (Appalachian) white such as yourself, who blames blacks for posting studies and publications done by whites.
Here is a thread specially for you so readers can see your stupidity for what it is.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I do not believe in the race concept, but I do see associative affinities which make up ethnicity.
But thanks for the recognition.
I believe in the race concept. Without the race concept there is no Black/African history.
Europeans have perpetuated the idea that all civilizations are white. They don't have to use the word race. They just use pictures of whites who took over civilizations long after they have declined, e.g., Gutians from Lagash and Greco-Roman Egyptian mummies, as representatives of these civilizations. And by doing this they support and maintain white supremacy.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [qb] I do not believe in the race concept, but I do see associative affinities which make up ethnicity.
But thanks for the recognition.
I believe in the race concept. Without the race concept there is no Black/African history.
Without the race concept there is still African history, light skinned or albino Africans are still part of it
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I do not believe in the race concept, but I do see associative affinities which make up ethnicity.
But thanks for the recognition.
I believe in the race concept. Without the race concept there is no Black/African history.
Europeans have perpetuated the idea that all civilizations are white. They don't have to use the word race. They just use pictures of whites who took over civilizations long after they have declined, e.g., Gutians from Lagash and Greco-Roman Egyptian mummies, as representatives of these civilizations. And by doing this they support and maintain white supremacy.
The affinities don't match with this history. For samples they don't have tropical limb ratio and body portions. This is due to situ, but doesn't indicate race.
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White people hating,White child wanna be harming,Black supremacist. Your thread on another part of the site proves nothing at all. It also does not negate my statement either. Sorry Black supremacist Anti-White,who hates Whites particularly White children all the while living in their land and trying to claim it as your own while trying to teach them that they are inferior. That Whites are not human. That Whites have no history. That they have no heritage. That they have no identity. That they have no homeland. That their ancestors have built & achieved nothing. That they have nothing to be proud of as Whites & should be ashamed of being White.That they have no right to knowledge of self as well. I'am not uneducated at all, I just didn't attend an institute of Anti-White learning & pay them to attack,bash,degrade,dehumanize & shame me for being White.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: I believe in the race concept. Without the race concept there is no Black/African history.
Without a race concept there would be no need for black history.
You're right without the concept of race we would not have history at all. Ancient Blacks you see wrote annals. which are simply historical records.
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History on the other hand is the study of past events, particularly in human affairs. To study any phenomena you have to have the proper context i.e., the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed. This means that when writing history you have to identify the person or group that made the particular historical experience. This is where the race , tribe or individual comes into the production of history, which the historian interprets.
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Given the demands of writing history, of course there would not be any history to write without the concept of race, tribe or the individual. For example, if I was writing about the war between Meroitic Empire and Rome, I might not identify the race --but I would have to acknowledge the different tribes ( i.e., Roman and Meroite) the participants in the war belonged too.
Most people here are ,just consumers of history. As a result, they can regurgitate information they have read-- but they can not analyze the information and present a coherent model of how it might play out in reality. Consequently they fail to comprehend what they read, and are unable to interpret the information and apply it to real life historical experiences, or even recognize that the author of a study failed to prove his theory or hypothesis.
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It's a history of people with brown skin. (some nearly black most brown) but that just am outward trait. It's like saying blond history. You have blondes in Europe but also some Oceanic people. There is no connection other than a color of hair. Similarly color of skin is not a race and is not enough to relate different groups who have the trait in a meaningful way.
It is Europeans who conceived that peoples skin was not just light or dark but a person's identity is a color, they are "white" or "yellow" or "black" . That is foolishness but people like this superficial color foolishness because they think it's a form of power, another tribal system
However African history is detailed by various named ethnic groups. Historically Africans did not classify people by skin color as their primary identity.
Colorism is so deeply ingrained in the upbringing of people who live in Western countries they think it's the way things should be.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Again, skin color is not a people
There will always be African history
It's a history of people with brown skin. (some nearly black most brown) but that just am outward trait. It's like saying blond history. You have blondes in Europe but also some Oceanic people. There is no connection other than a color of hair. Similarly color of skin is not a race and is not enough to relate different groups who have the trait in a meaningful way.
It is Europeans who conceived that peoples skin was not just light or dark but a person's identity is a color, they are "white" or "yellow" or "black" . That is foolishness but people like this superficial color foolishness because they think it's a form of power, another tribal system
However African history is detailed by various named ethnic groups. Historically Africans did not classify people by skin color as their primary identity.
Colorism is so deeply ingrained in the upbringing of people who live in Western countries they think it's the way things should be.
Stupid Euronut. Africans have always distinguished people based on color, even other Africans, that's why they depicted Egyptians and Nubians as both dark and light pigmented. .
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Again, skin color is not a people
There will always be African history
It's a history of people with brown skin. (some nearly black most brown) but that just am outward trait. It's like saying blond history. You have blondes in Europe but also some Oceanic people. There is no connection other than a color of hair. Similarly color of skin is not a race and is not enough to relate different groups who have the trait in a meaningful way.
It is Europeans who conceived that peoples skin was not just light or dark but a person's identity is a color, they are "white" or "yellow" or "black" . That is foolishness but people like this superficial color foolishness because they think it's a form of power, another tribal system
However African history is detailed by various named ethnic groups. Historically Africans did not classify people by skin color as their primary identity.
Colorism is so deeply ingrained in the upbringing of people who live in Western countries they think it's the way things should be.
Stupid Euronut. Africans have always distinguished people based on color, even other Africans, that's why they depicted Egyptians and Nubians as both dark and light pigmented. .
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Asshole, depicting someone a color in a painting is not using the color as primary identity. In the Egyptian text they don't call people "black people" "white people", "yellow people"
They dont attach "people" to a color and use that color as the primary identifier of race. "KMt" does not refer to skin color and if it did they would call the Nubians KMt but they dont
Color is not an important enough trait to link or separate people by. This is a remnant of the old way which has been superseded by genetics.
Colorism comes about in situations where large groups of people encounter each other and each group is drastically different in color.
I still use "black" and "white", not even accurate descriptions in the vast majority of cases because it is so deeply ingrained in the culture now it is hard to communicate without doing so but I know it's bull, another form of artificially imposed tribalism.
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It's safe to say aforementioned ES Researchers of Ancient Egypt forum are black supremacists. I'm not saying that it's wrong or right to be a black supremacist just an observation of the lioness productions team.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: That's your OPINION, but I'd very much like to see you present your OPINION of ES black supremacy in a more scientific manner.
Are you capable?
"Supremacy" is not of the realm of science so I can''t try to force it to be
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: It's safe to say aforementioned ES Researchers of Ancient Egypt forum are black supremacists. I'm not saying that it's wrong or right to be a black supremacist just an observation of the lioness productions team.
How are ES Black Supremacist when the sources they cite supporting their work, were usually written by Europeans?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: It's safe to say aforementioned ES Researchers of Ancient Egypt forum are black supremacists. I'm not saying that it's wrong or right to be a black supremacist just an observation of the lioness productions team.
How are ES Black Supremacist when the sources they cite supporting their work, were usually written by Europeans?
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Because they corrupt the sources, greatly
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[b]The major researchers on the Ancient Egypt Forum: Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, Ish Gebor, and Narmerthoth practice Afrocentrism and Africalogy, instead of Contiburtionism.
I don't see anywhere where the above people say they practice afrocentrism.
Mike and Narmertot are dumping on Africans more than the rednecks. You are not going to find a daishiki, kufi or Olatunji recording in Mike's closet
Narmertot's leanings are towards the Nation of Islam who believe white people are the devil, blacks are superior and Africans live a "jungle life" and need to be civilized, bow ties and bean pies -obviously not Afrocentrism but clearly black supremacist
Mike leanings are into the depths of his own mind. He is a Black Eurocentrist, He believes that the pinnacle of black achievement is Renaissance Europe and it was founded by black people.
I wouldn't call that Afrocentrism. You wont be mistaking them for Molfe Asante or Dr. Karenga, James Smalls or Asa Hilliard. Mike doesn't roll in afrocentric circles Mike doesn't even admire Marcus Garvey.
Look call Mike or Narmertot what you want but they are clearly not Afrocentrists , they don't call themselves that you will need other terms
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[b]The major researchers on the Ancient Egypt Forum: Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, Ish Gebor, and Narmerthoth practice Afrocentrism and Africalogy, instead of Contiburtionism. The major Afrocentric researchers are Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, they base their research on the Afro-American researchers who have firmly grounded their research on Black Civilizations on historical and anthropological sources. These researchers acknowledge that races exist, and that we are members of the Black race.
Again you have it wrong, Mike and Narmerot have said numerous times race does not exist, ask them. A color is not a race, that's stupid.
Also you left out Mindovermatter, he is now the top researcher of the L.T.C. at Egyptsearch.
Also where did you get the idea that these "researchers" are somehow in opposition to Contributionism?
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Clyde, you hate coconuts because they are white inside?
I don't hate anybody I play my role.
It is sad that you are ignorant. lioness Inc., once was a good adversary. They provided good commentary and sources to defend their ideas. Because lioness Inc., was made up of researchers around the world they posted challenges to Afrocentrism around the clock. Now on the other hand you are weak and lack any research skills.
Granted, lioness Inc., still lost most debates but they made you work at defeating their arguments.During our debate on Ibn Majid, lioness Inc., was able to defeat my arguments and I had to take down one of my videos because the information was inaccurate. They were good researchers provided sources which expanded my knowledge base.
You on the other hand have no strong arguments we need to counter--instead you just cry the blues and throw your hands up. Ish due to his knowledge of African and European prehistory has made you lose any confidence you originally had when you replaced lioness Inc. Now you are just another Celtic. .
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[b]The major researchers on the Ancient Egypt Forum: Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, Ish Gebor, and Narmerthoth practice Afrocentrism and Africalogy, instead of Contiburtionism. The major Afrocentric researchers are Clyde Winters, Mike, Marc Washington. Ironlion, they base their research on the Afro-American researchers who have firmly grounded their research on Black Civilizations on historical and anthropological sources. These researchers acknowledge that races exist, and that we are members of the Black race.
Again you have it wrong, Mike and Narmerot have said numerous times race does not exist, ask them. A color is not a race, that's stupid.
Also you left out Mindovermatter, he is now the top researcher of the L.T.C. at Egyptsearch.
Also where did you get the idea that these "researchers" are somehow in opposition to Contributionism?
Contributionist spent their time trying to defend the fact that Egypt was an African civilization. Mike does not really spend his time writing about Egypt, he researches every Black Civilization.
You are jealous Narmerthoth makes us all think. Like Asante, he cast his arguments on reliable sources that anyone can review that support his propositions. He demands that you make a proposition and support it with sources. you lack any ability to counter his arguments and those of Ish, so you resort to name calling like Celtic.
I did not mention Mindovermatter because I am not sure that he is an Afro-American. I may be wrong but I believe he is really a European .
I believe this is so because , Mindovermatter pays lip service to the Albino theory--while at the same time promoting the idea that Indo-Europeans created civilization in East and West Eurasia. There is no support for this idea.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
I believe this is so because , Mindovermatter pays lip service to the Albino theory--while at the same time promoting the idea that Indo-Europeans created civilization in East and West Eurasia. There is no support for this idea.
Clyde,
Yeah because we all know according to your Black supremacist,Anti-White beliefs Whites are inferior non-humans who never built or achieved anything right.
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Look, just mix Frances Cress Welsing with Elijah Muhammad and you get the viewpoint of Narmertot. It's not original. I suspect he's light skinned so he's overcompensating on the melanin pseudo science and it doesn't add up to take that position and to dump on Africans all the time like he and Mike do, when it is Africans who generally have much less admixture than AAs and therefore, on average more melanin.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Like Asante, he cast his arguments on reliable sources that anyone can review that support his propositions. He demands that you make a proposition and support it with sources.
Yes an you will see that the lioness productions team has administered numerous scientific beat downs on Narmertots pseudo science. No he is not similar to Asante at all and doesn't even know who he is.
There are many posters who think if they copy and paste charts and article quotes that it legitimizes their conclusion. They play on the hope that readers will not understand the science lingo and just assume it supports their position when it doesn't or isn't even really talking about the same topic. That's the scam going. That's why I am needed, to expose the ongoing foolery and M.U.S.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: you lack any ability to counter his arguments and those of Ish, so you resort to name calling like Celtic.
I held out a long time, a black woman being called a "stupid Euronut" similarly you questioning Mindovermatter's blackness and I finally had to lay the smackdown and fight fire with fire
It's clear you hate coconuts, you're a hater
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But lets look at the history of Europe. African Mulsims from Senegal ruled Spain and much of France for almost 400 years. These Black Africans did not leave Europe until 1492.
Name one African from Senegal who was ruling Spain
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Ṭāriq ibn Ziyād was a Berber Muslim commander who led the Islamic Umayyad conquest of Visigothic Hispania in 711–718 A.D. Under the orders of the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid I based in Syria he led a large army of berbers and arabs and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar from the North African coast, consolidating his troops at what is today known as the Rock of Gibraltar.
Abd-ar-Rahman III Arabic: عبد الرحمن الثالث was the Emir and Caliph of Córdoba (912–961) of the Umayyad dynasty in al-Andalus.
He is described as having:
.. white skin, blue eyes and attractive face; good looking, although somewhat sturdy and stout. His legs were short, to the point that the stirrups of his saddle were mounted just one palm under it. When mounted, he looked tall, but on his feet he was quite short. He dyed his beard black. (Ibn Idhari, Kitab al-Bayan)
In the next century and a half, al-Andalus became a province of the Berber Muslim empires of the Almoravids and Almohads, both based in Marrakesh.
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quote:Look, just mix Frances Cress Welsing with Elijah Muhammad and you get the viewpoint of Narmertot. It's not original. I suspect he's light skinned so he's overcompensating on the melanin pseudo science and it doesn't add up to take that position and to dump on Africans all the time like he and Mike do, when it is Africans who generally have much less admixture than AAs and therefore, on average more melanin.
I really wish life were as simple as getting paid to be a site instigator without contributing anything worthy 24/7/365. Being a creator by nature, I really can't comprehend your myopic mindset.
If you wish to characterize my worldview, then you'd have to go much further than the two minor sources you've listed. Add some Marcus Garvey, DuBois, Cheikh Anta Diop, John Clarke, Clyde Winters, Carter G. Woodson, Lerone Bennett Jr, Ivan Van Sertima, Drew Ali, Joy DeGruy, Pookrum, John Franklin, Randall Robinson, James Goodrum, and a hundred other insightful and inspiring African Americans visionaries.
Considering this, If you had a brain, you'd have the opportunity to deduce 1/100th of what I am.
Just FYI, my skin complexion is about the same as Denzel Washington's, but I'm better looking. Attractive enough to perform on stage for 20,000 and have females respond as if I were Marvin Gaye, but I won't say any more about that.
I don't care for the labels you Jews wish to attach to everything you want to control.
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quote:Look, just mix Frances Cress Welsing with Elijah Muhammad and you get the viewpoint of Narmertot.
I really wish life were as simple as getting paid to be a site instigator without contributing anything worthy 24/7/365. Being a creator by nature, I really can't comprehend your myopic mindset.
If you wish to characterize my worldview, then you'd have to go much further than the two minor sources you've listed. Add some Marcus Garvey, DuBois, Cheikh Anta Diop, John Clarke, Clyde Winters, Carter G. Woodson, Lerone Bennett Jr, Ivan Van Sertima, Drew Ali, Joy DeGruy, Pookrum, John Franklin, Randall Robinson, James Goodrum, and a hundred other insightful and inspiring African Americans visionaries.
You have got to be kidding. You are a male version of Frances Cress Welsing
But some of the major figures you source include Cheikh Anta Diop and Marcus Garvey
You have got to be kidding Since when and where?
stop the jive talking and name drops.
You're a black supremacist, if not a plain bigot
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^ I agree with Dr. Winters that you are a watered down/dumbed down version of the former Lionese Inc. I actually believe you are just another Tukular or some other white male Jew alias.
What progressive AA hasn't been influenced by Marcus Garvey, especially those who agree with NOI worldview? It is safe to state that if there were no Marcus Garvey and UNIA, there very likely would have been no Drew Ali Black Moors or Nation Of Islam. Ironically, there very likely would have been no US S.E.C. accredited investor rule either due to it being enacted to halt Negroes like Garvey from receiving small investments to fund the Black Star line. The US government used the SEC act against Garvey in the same manner they deployed the Mann Act against great black heavyweight boxing champion, Jack Johnson.
Also, it is Diop who first proposed that melanin testing (The African Origin of Civilization) would prove the racial identity of the Egyptians.
This one simple test provided the means by which one could determine the PHENOTYPE of the Egyptian royal mummies by examining the melanin content present in their skin. The test involved the acquisition of specimens, consisting of a few square millimeters of mummified skin, which were then coated with ethyl benzoate and exposed to natural or ultra-violet light. This procedure rendered the melanin ganules in the skin specimen fluorescent, thus enabling them to be counted and establish either black or albino identity
You can say that Diop ignited my need to explore the intimate details of melanin, and specifically Eumelanin.
However, it was the Catholic Bible that also contributed to my interest in melanin because of it's repeated reference to Jesus and the Lepers, and it's clear contradiction of the description of leprosy.
Leviticus 13:1-14:57 ESV / 38 helpful votes The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, “When a person has on the skin of his body a swelling or an eruption or a spot, and it turns into a case of leprous disease on the skin of his body, then he shall be brought to Aaron the priest or to one of his sons the priests, and the priest shall examine the diseased area on the skin of his body. And if the hair in the diseased area has turned white and the disease appears to be deeper than the skin of his body, it is a case of leprous disease. When the priest has examined him, he shall pronounce him unclean. But if the spot is white in the skin of his body and appears no deeper than the skin, and the hair in it has not turned white, the priest shall shut up the diseased person for seven days. And the priest shall examine him on the seventh day, and if in his eyes the disease is checked and the disease has not spread in the skin, then the priest shall shut him up for another seven days. ...
King James Bible The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
Leviticus 13:10 "The priest shall then look, and if there is a white swelling in the skin, and it has turned the hair white, and there is quick raw flesh in the swelling,
Numbers 12:10 But when the cloud had withdrawn from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, as white as snow. As Aaron turned toward Miriam, behold, she was leprous.
Clearly, what is being observed in the bible is not leprosy, but melanoma.
Other references on Melanin currently in my library:
-Carol Barnes : Melanin: The Chemical Key To Black Greatness
-L. Afrika : Melanin-What Makes Black People Black
-Richard King : melanin-A Key To Freedom
-The Amber Institute : The Melanin Mind state
-Cress-Welsing : The Isis Papers
I never suggested that blacks are superior over whites. What I actually proposed is that whites are primarily albinos and their fear of blacks may be a carry over of their long memories of being treated badly by blacks in Africa and Europe. Cyclic retribution.
Which is why professional examination of the black mindset is more important to me than that of Eurobinos and research from black professionals such as Dr. Joy DeGruy is so critical.
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^ Another typical downed down response, but I'll play along.
Under what conditions?
Garvey's ambition, as true for ALL great rulers of powerful nations, was to migrate back to Africa, unite it, and become the long awaited and much needed Emperor of the continent.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Another typical downed down response, but I'll play along.
Under what conditions?
Garvey's ambition, as true for ALL great rulers of powerful nations, was to migrate back to Africa, unite it, and become the long awaited and much needed Emperor of the continent.
Under the condition of a black person or persons in 2017 deciding to emigrate to an African country. Which would be the best one to go to?
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^ The best place in Africa to migrant for AAs or back migrating Africans is Israel where AAs can duplicate the actions of the Irgun, but on the current Zionist/Nazi administration.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ The best place in Africa to migrant for AAs or back migrating Africans is Israel where AAs can duplicate the actions of the Irgun, but on the current Zionist/Nazi administration.
I see you weren't really serious about the Garvey concept. Mike isn't a fan either.
Anyway if AAs moved back to their homeland in Israel, I wonder if the Palestinians would welcome it ? Ben Ammi did pull it off on a small scale
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Narmer, vitiligo was classified as leprosy in the 1800s. Only recently did they start seperating the two terms. For obvious reasons of course.
Upon reading some notes I've had jotted down from reading, it seems the issues and confusion, was stemmed from the fact that the Albinos studying this didn't want to admit that there was a possibility the ancient hebrews viewed losing their pigmintation as terrifying. So they super-imposed the idea that it was more than the loss of skin tone. It isn't of course, the hebrews viewed the loss of their melanin as a strike or blow, or plague. They even had the example of Miriam being struck with the plague. If I recall that caused her humiliation. In hebrew its "saraath." Of course some hebrewes didn't think it was a big deal probably. As an example Josephus refrences the disease and not only mentions that its just a changing of skin color but that other nations of people are effected by it and can continue with their day to day lives with out being religiously or ritualistically cut off.
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^ There is a huge difference between Vitiligo and Leprosy. The former is an Autosomal disease while the latter is a bacterial infection. Leprosy is curable but Vitiligo, a form of partial albinism is not.
You have to remember that no sunscreen or air conditioning existed in those times and those possessing OCA traits would be susceptible to the African climate, especially back-migrating Eurobinos.
Wiki references are accurate enough to review the difference between the two.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ The best place in Africa to migrant for AAs or back migrating Africans is Israel where AAs can duplicate the actions of the Irgun, but on the current Zionist/Nazi administration.
I see you weren't really serious about the Garvey concept. Mike isn't a fan either.
Anyway if AAs moved back to their homeland in Israel, I wonder if the Palestinians would welcome it ? Ben Ammi did pull it off on a small scale
Who said I wasn't being serious. Garvey's plans may have been greatly modified had the internet existed in the 1920s. Imagine how many tens of mi9llions of shares in Black Star line had he presented the offer on-line.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ The best place in Africa to migrant for AAs or back migrating Africans is Israel where AAs can duplicate the actions of the Irgun, but on the current Zionist/Nazi administration.
I see you weren't really serious about the Garvey concept. Mike isn't a fan either.
Anyway if AAs moved back to their homeland in Israel, I wonder if the Palestinians would welcome it ? Ben Ammi did pull it off on a small scale
Who said I wasn't being serious. Garvey's plans may have been greatly modified had the internet existed in the 1920s. Imagine how many tens of mi9llions of shares in Black Star line had he presented the offer on-line.
Well, with the interwebs that gives you a great advantage to promote a return to the homeland. You could make millions of dollars or do it as a non profit
Mike could do his own back to black Germany voyage
Clyde could do the back to Atlantis
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^ First of all, there has to be a valid reason for wanting to migrant, right?
For example, 1960s American Albino Hippies migrated to Canada to avoid the US draft for vietnam, while Ethiopian Negro Jews migrated to Israel to become underlings to the Ashkenazis, and Russian Jews migrated to Israel to take advantage of their no extradition law which makes for a great heaven for habitual criminals.
Likewise, an AA has to have a valid reason for migrating back to Africa. Not as grand an ambition as Marcus Garvey, but a reason nevertheless.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ There is a huge difference between Vitiligo and Leprosy. The former is an Autosomal disease while the latter is a bacterial infection. Leprosy is curable but Vitiligo, a form of partial albinism is not.
You have to remember that no sunscreen or air conditioning existed in those times and those possessing OCA traits would be susceptible to the African climate, especially back-migrating Eurobinos.
Wiki references are accurate enough to review the difference between the two.
The wiki is using the new definition of the two, after they split vitiligo away from it. You are correct that these are two different disease but the issue is that a leper today has nothing to do with the leporsy in leviticus. The reason the albinos brought about the confusion is because if it was looked at truthfully it would show that their lack of melanin is a form of abnormality among cultures. And the hebrew writings would imply that it would require supernatural forces to heal. Thats a double down on humiliation.
As a refrence I will present Josephus: Ant of the Jews: L.3 Chapter 11.
"4. Whence one cannot but smile at those who say Moses was himself afflicted with the leprosy when he fled out of Egypt, and that he became the conductor of those who on that account left that country, and led them into the land of Canaan; for had this been true, Moses would not have made these laws to his own dishonor, which indeed it was more likely he would have opposed, if others had endeavored to introduce them; and this the rather, because there are lepers in many nations, who yet are in honor, and not only free from reproach and avoidance, but who have been great captains of armies, and have the privilege of entering into holy places and temples; so that nothing is hindered, but if either Moses himself, or the multitude that was with him, had been liable to such misfortune in the color of his skin, he might have made laws about them for their credit and advantage, and have laid no manner of difficulty upon them."
A person who is suffering from a nerve disease would not be able to function as the captain of an army. Its obvious that in the first century AD lepers were just albinos or clean lepers.
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Dr. Winters hits the nail on the head when he states Egypt Search as Enlightenment Amidst A Sea Of Ignorance. This area of ES is the section most stimulating others to think and research. The writer of this paper has definitely been visiting ES.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Dr. Winters hits the nail on the head when he states Egypt Search as Enlightenment Amidst A Sea Of Ignorance. This area of ES is the section most stimulating others to think and research. The writer of this paper has definitely been visiting ES.
THE LEGEND OF A WHITE NATIVE RACE (A Contribution to the History of Albinism)
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I managed to read two pages before the urge to puke became overpowering. Truly, when an Albinos mouth is moving, you know he's lying.
The statement that Ethiopia was an unknown land was the last straw.
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