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Mike111
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Now that we know that "REAL" American Indians were Blacks and Asians (like the Chinese), what do we now say about the people who hunted them down - The Buffalo Soldiers?

http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Buffalo_soldiers/Buffalo_soldiers.htm

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The Buffalo soldiers were traitors just like the Back and Asian Native Americans who massacred their kindred for cheap Europeans goods, guns and rum.

It has only been since modern days that Native Americans see themselves as a monolith population, instead of a singular tribe.

Black Native Americans tried to encourage Asian Native Americans to belong to Black-Asian Native American associations such as Algonquin and Iroquois, but they didn't last very long without one of the associates joining the Americans to overthrow other tribes in the association e.g. when the Cherokee sided with the Americans against the Yamassee.

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The genetic structure and history of Africans and African Americans, Tishkoff (2009)

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Also

Q-M242 is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans and in Turkic peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia.


Genetically as the above chart suggests that Native Americans are still to varying degrees distant from East Asians.
Central Asians were not included on the chary so I'm not sure their position

note: the particular tree chart is the rootless type. It shows distance but not starting point

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Now that we know that "REAL" American Indians were Blacks and Asians (like the Chinese), what do we now say about the people who hunted them down - The Buffalo Soldiers?

http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Buffalo_soldiers/Buffalo_soldiers.htm

Many Native Americans were allies of the African slave. They shared a common enemy in Europeans due to (1) Africans being kidnapped from their homeland and made slaves and (2) Europeans attempt to invade the homeland of Native Americans.
What closer bond can there be then survival, revenge and honor?

The alliance between African and Native American was a powerful force, and had it been nationwide, there is a great chance that the English could have been repelled from the shores of America. The Florida alliance between the African and Native American held off the English for over 40 years, and during that interval, they also produced the finest agricultural and domesticated animals in the whole nation.

The Buffalo soldiers were cowardly opportunists who choose to forsake their native lands, their allies, to ally with their enemies.
No honor. No loyalty. No heroes of history.

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Some African slaves escaped and allied with Native Americans. Some of them mixed with the Native Americans others were allies but lived mainly separately in nearby areas such as the Black Seminoles. Some Native Americans had Africans slaves also. There are many many tribes it's a complicated history
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^ It's not more complex than basic survival.
No more complex than how the Chinese responded when the allied Europeans attempted to invade China.
There was the Chinese government, the resistance, and traitors. Those Chinese traitors got dealt with, and their traitorous actions are still taught in their history books.

Same as Africa and any other invaded nation.
Resist or have your country/continent/freedom and life taken. That's all you need to know.

How did China deal with it's traitors?
How did Haiti did with it's traitors?
How did America deal with Benedict Arnold and others like him?
Americans viewed one of their own, John Brown as a traitor. What happened to him?

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^I guess it depends on what you define as traitor.

In Jamaica - some Maroons kept their freedom by agreeing to capture runaway slaves. They were paid two dollars for each slave returned.

Today we think in terms of common Blackness - but that was not always the case.

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quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
^ It's not more complex than basic survival.
No more complex than how the Chinese responded when the allied Europeans attempted to invade China.
There was the Chinese government, the resistance, and traitors. Those Chinese traitors got dealt with, and their traitorous actions are still taught in their history books.

Same as Africa and any other invaded nation.
Resist or have your country/continent/freedom and life taken. That's all you need to know.

How did China deal with it's traitors?
How did Haiti did with it's traitors?
How did America deal with Benedict Arnold and others like him?
Americans viewed one of their own, John Brown as a traitor. What happened to him?

You have posed some important questions. Because to me John Brown is a Hero. If only he could have had ammunition for the guns , the history of America might be quite different.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^I guess it depends on what you define as traitor.

In Jamaica - some Maroons kept their freedom by agreeing to capture runaway slaves. They were paid two dollars for each slave returned.

Today we think in terms of common Blackness - but that was not always the case.

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Great point. African and Native Americans have always been tribalistic, except for the major Confederations, Maa, Egypt. Meroitic. Ghana and Mali. This is one of the reasons we have such a large gang problem in AA communities where people belong to different gangs.

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Why is my name at the bottom of every post?

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Why is my name at the bottom of every post?

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Is someone else putting it there?

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It's a custom signature a new feature that can be changed by the member in profile everybody regular will get one. It doesn't have to be your name, it's a work in progress
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^I guess it depends on what you define as traitor.

In Jamaica - some Maroons kept their freedom by agreeing to capture runaway slaves. They were paid two dollars for each slave returned.

Today we think in terms of common Blackness - but that was not always the case.

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That's called, tribalism, or tribes only looking out for the best interests of their tribes.
But in the end, was it actually in their best interest to assist in turning over the island to European control?
Same with the Buffalo soldier. Did they not contribute to today's US conditions for blacks?

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
^ It's not more complex than basic survival.
No more complex than how the Chinese responded when the allied Europeans attempted to invade China.
There was the Chinese government, the resistance, and traitors. Those Chinese traitors got dealt with, and their traitorous actions are still taught in their history books.

Same as Africa and any other invaded nation.
Resist or have your country/continent/freedom and life taken. That's all you need to know.

How did China deal with it's traitors?
How did Haiti did with it's traitors?
How did America deal with Benedict Arnold and others like him?
Americans viewed one of their own, John Brown as a traitor. What happened to him?

You have posed some important questions. Because to me John Brown is a Hero. If only he could have had ammunition for the guns , the history of America might be quite different.
If only Frederick Douglas hadn't rejected his call to arms, and rejected him.
perhaps you can assume that Douglas may very well not have trusted a white man with goals of revolution against the racist government, north and south, and this was the basis of his rejecting Brown. Perhaps.
I have never read anything by Douglas in regards to Brown's request.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^I guess it depends on what you define as traitor.

In Jamaica - some Maroons kept their freedom by agreeing to capture runaway slaves. They were paid two dollars for each slave returned.

Today we think in terms of common Blackness - but that was not always the case.

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Great point. African and Native Americans have always been tribalistic, except for the major Confederations, Maa, Egypt. Meroitic. Ghana and Mali. This is one of the reasons we have such a large gang problem in AA communities where people belong to different gangs.
Tribalism is another way to express a culture that has, little to no national unity or loyalty. Agreed?

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
It's a custom signature a new feature that can be changed by the member in profile everybody regular will get one. It doesn't have to be your name, it's a work in progress

I thought the site already had the capability for signatures in the setup option?
Are you saying it wasn't previous active and you just enabled it?

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