...
EgyptSearch Forums Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» EgyptSearch Forums » Deshret » Jay Z 4:44 Video (Page 1)

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!   This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5   
Author Topic: Jay Z 4:44 Video
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Jay Z
4:44 Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcdhQ9KfJA

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
stay on topic please, the video and lyrics to the song 4:44


And I have the right to elaborate on the CD release. And expose white supremacy trash. You may not like it, but it is what it is.


The Story of O.J.

JAY-Z

[Intro: Nina Simone]
Skin is, skin, is
Skin black, my skin is black
My, black, my skin is yellow

[Chorus]
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga
I like that second one
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga

[Interlude]
O.J. like, "I'm not black, I'm O.J." …okay

[Verse 1]
House nigga, don't fuck with me
I'm a field nigga, go shine cutlery
Go play the quarters where the butlers be
I'ma play the corners where the hustlers be
I told him, "Please don't die over the neighborhood
That your mama rentin'
Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood
That's how you rinse it"
I bought every V12 engine
Wish I could take it back to the beginnin'
I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo
For like 2 million
That same building today is worth 25 million
Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo

[Chorus]
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga

[Interlude]
You wanna know what's more important than throwin' away money at a strip club? Credit
You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it

[Verse 2]
Financial freedom my only hope
Fuck livin' rich and dyin' broke
I bought some artwork for 1 million
2 years later, that shit worth 2 million
Few years later, that shit worth 8 million
I can't wait to give this shit to my children
Y'all think it's bougie, I'm like, it's fine
But I'm tryin' to give you a million dollars worth of game for $9.99
I turned that 2 to a 4, 4 to an 8
I turned my life into a nice first week release date
Y'all out here still takin' advances, huh?
Me and my niggas takin' real chances, uh
Y'all on the 'Gram holdin' money to your ear
There's a disconnect, we don't call that money over here, yeah

[Chorus]
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^ How is this exposing white supremacy?
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Andromeda2025
Junior Member
Member # 22772

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Andromeda2025     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Naw... Jzee is one fake rich nigga... The power of symbols should have made him realize that nothing in that video is enlightening, uplifting or revolutionary. The Story of Oj & 4:44 are some low charkra sh!t that show clearly where he is mentally. Jay Z ultimately feels beneath his woman, Beyonce has surpassed him as an ICON. She is his superior so he feels like a Nigga, and what he feels is the music that he makes. He is instead traumatizing a younger generation with is emotional abuse/traumatizing images without an emotional victory. ( See Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth) & ( The Hero's Journey) that he is misdirecting away from Beyonce his feelings of inferiority on to the general population of young African Americans. At the same time White folk love these images it is total black suffering porn and voyeurism for them.


This generation, the younger one don't need another slave movie, or stepin fetchit video/movie. They have the Internets they can google that if they are interested.

Posts: 165 | From: Miami Beach, Florida | Registered: Jun 2017  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Jay Z
4:44 Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcdhQ9KfJA

This video is quite artistic
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Crackhead music for a crackhead generation.

No point and no purpose just a jumble of images and sounds with no coherent point like persons on crack.

But the real issue is that Jay-Z and Beyonce are the modern day Geoffrey Holder and Carmen DeLavallade. (Or to go even more old school Joyce Bryant).

Carmen and Geoffrey
https://vimeo.com/106522182

https://vimeo.com/109340549

Joyce Bryant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAbTa-DCOGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15bMg8bnetw
(From an era where black women 'aspiring' entertainers were often used in openly burlesque forms of entertainment, which goes back to the Cotton Club and before).

Symbolically that video has to crack head looking fiends doing a weird dance in slow motion showing the devolution of black culture. The high point of rap was 30 years ago. This is purely garbage and nowhere close.

And that is the whole meaning and message. The only change that has come to black society is for the worse. Negroes got integrated and assimilated but instead of producing art of value and merit they produce 'ni%%er' rap and crackhead tracks. THAT is the only message I get out of this. All these black folks that done 'made it' in the entertainment industry and yet what have the built? What are they producing? How are they empowering the folks who created America's sound track? They aren't. They are coons looking for a pat on the head and perennial token status parading like dandies as if they really have accomplished something. Meaning they go to all these functions and balls run by white institutions and get token awards recognition and money for what? To produce garbage? That is devolution from ragtime, blues, jazz, soul, disco, r&b and hip hop to this.... Negro please.

But this is what all these black token entertainers are there for, going back to Sammy Davis, Dorothy Dandridge, Lena Horne, Cab Calloway and so forth....

That is the whole secret. Media mind control and psyhcological manipulation to enrich non black corporations. Selling black dysfunction to the masses.

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Askia_The_Great
Administrator
Member # 22000

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Askia_The_Great     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^^^No its just that you're old and out of touch. And I don't even like Jay Z.
Posts: 1891 | From: NY | Registered: Sep 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just admit you don't know.

Its just that I see the "leadership" that is being groomed for this generation by white educational institutions, think tanks, industry and media and they are coons.....

Black music is all but dead but to the crackhead generation things are "great". That mushmouth rap is 'divine'. Right.

Black folks made more conscious rap in the 80s starting with "the Message". No crackhead symbolism. Just straight and to the point. They weren't millionaires and running around getting awards from white folks. They were just young black folks with creative energy and spirit living in the projects or average neighborhoods. Now negroes got a little money and what do they put out.... garbage.

The message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY

And don't get me to go into the history of hip hop.....

Going back to the 40s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvCCWcR5dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzKZ7lJRUc

40s break dancing and human beatbox: the mills brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14QEoEIvUuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC43OuwD8Ds

Even in cartoons:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51ver


Like I said, the soundtrack of America is black music and it is dying....
http://teachrock.org/lesson/the-musical-roots-of-doo-wop/

Heck I can take it back to Africa if I wanted to (go to 2:50):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC43OuwD8Ds

The point being that if black folks with no record deals and contracts or no money were making ART 30 years ago, Negroes today should be doing A LOT better. But they aren't. They are going backwards and trying to pass it off as 'conscious'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z9yqGJc78Y

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:


Symbolically that video has to crack head looking fiends doing a weird dance in slow motion showing the devolution of black culture.

There are tons of websites talking about this video. I would like to see one where they interpret the dancing as supposed to be like crackheads
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QB] stay on topic please, the video and lyrics to the song 4:44


And I have the right to elaborate on the CD release. And expose white supremacy trash. You may not like it, but it is what it is.



So you're saying that Jay Z song is an example of white supremacy trash
or is it exposing white supremacy?

(other people please give Ish Gebor a chance to answer it)

I predict he won't.
He just put it up to see what everybody else says. So if they go one way he'll go that same way. I know how he works, its an Ish bluff

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
^ How is this exposing white supremacy?

How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.


The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.


"Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Andromeda2025:
Naw... Jzee is one fake rich nigga... The power of symbols should have made him realize that nothing in that video is enlightening, uplifting or revolutionary. The Story of Oj & 4:44 are some low charkra sh!t that show clearly where he is mentally. Jay Z ultimately feels beneath his woman, Beyonce has surpassed him as an ICON. She is his superior so he feels like a Nigga, and what he feels is the music that he makes. He is instead traumatizing a younger generation with is emotional abuse/traumatizing images without an emotional victory. ( See Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth) & ( The Hero's Journey) that he is misdirecting away from Beyonce his feelings of inferiority on to the general population of young African Americans. At the same time White folk love these images it is total black suffering porn and voyeurism for them.


This generation, the younger one don't need another slave movie, or stepin fetchit video/movie. They have the Internets they can google that if they are interested.

What he did in "The Story of O.J." and 4:44 was awesome.

It's a rude awakening for the young black generation of America and abroad, because blacks globally associate with black America.

You can see the stupidity some young black Americas do and how the world looks at them, ridicules them, mock them in 4:44.

"The Story of O.J." takes it back to "make America great again" and shows the history of black America within the cartoon.

And "charkra" is Asian spirituality, so Jay shows a slave ship with enslaved Africans, where "one" get's ahead like the HNIC like an egocetric maniac.

Anyway, the "charkra" of many black is underdeveloped so he hits them where it hurts, low. Low Down N***.


I listened to the entire LP yesterday, while working out during fitness routine. Artistically it appeals more to the young generation, but it's still great work.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sudanese
Member
Member # 15779

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for sudanese     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I fail to see how this song or its video is profound in the least. What esoteric truths did he reveal in that song? There are underground artists that are so much more adept at conveying truly intelligent, revolutionary, inspirational and uplifting ideas... and they can do that with a soul.

If *personalities* like Jay Z, P. Diddy, Dr Dre and the others in Hip-Hop that have ostensibly accrued substantial resources... were as intelligent, ambitious and independent as they would have people believe -- why then do they not combine their wealth and create their own record labels, instead of being mere subsidiaries of far more wealthy and powerful corporations?

Even if they did not wish to greatly reconfigure the message (s), the narrative (s), image, directions, trends and its consequences... why not at least aspire to manage, control and profit from it?

Answer? Because that would be dangerous, and only that would be worthy of praise, recognition and discussion.

Nothing in the mainstream is by accident. Everything has a political dimension; when you have virtually every popular Hip-Hip 'artists' glamorising self-destructive violence, ignorance, stupidity, misogny and infantilisation and looking like unclean human filth as they do it... that has a purpose behind it and people directing it.

Posts: 1568 | From: Pluto | Registered: Sep 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sudaniya:
I fail to see how this song or its video is profound in the least. What esoteric truths did he reveal in that song? There are underground artists that are so much more adept at conveying truly intelligent, revolutionary, inspirational and uplifting ideas... and they can do that with a soul.

If *personalities* like Jay Z, P. Diddy, Dr Dre and the others in Hip-Hop that have ostensibly accrued substantial resources... were as intelligent, ambitious and independent as they would have people believe -- why then do they not combine their wealth and create their own record labels, instead of being mere subsidiaries of far more wealthy and powerful corporations?

Even if they did not wish to greatly reconfigure the message (s), the narrative (s), image, directions, trends and its consequences... why not at least aspire to manage, control and profit from it?

Answer? Because that would be dangerous, and only that would be worthy of praise, recognition and discussion.

Nothing in the mainstream is by accident. Everything has a political dimension; when you have virtually every popular Hip-Hip 'artists' glamorising self-destructive violence, ignorance, stupidity, misogny and infantilisation and looking like unclean human filth as they do it... that has a purpose behind it and people directing it.

These videos show the "nigger culture" for what it is and how destructive it really is. It's really a confrontation of self-image and introspection. The way the world sees / looks at black people when they look at these "real clips". (I know because I travel)

The graphic effects in this are important.


Btw Jay Z, P. Diddy had or still have their own record labels. Don't know much about Dre. From what I know Dre is not on that level. Dre had the Beats company and probably still holds shares.

Jay Z and P. Diddy are not just rappers, they have become business men with lots of revenue from different investments. This is how they have build financial empires, worth hundreds of millions of dollars.


Jay Z's Net Worth: $810 Million In 2017 (this was obviously not by selling rap-records)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2017/05/11/jay-zs-net-worth-810-million-in-2017/#7315754e686f


Diddy's Net Worth: $820 Million In 2017

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2017/05/11/diddys-net-worth-820-million-in-2017/#23b6df165566


Dr. Dre's Net Worth: $740 Million In 2017

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2017/05/12/dr-dres-net-worth-740-million-in-2017/#43675bf5567d


Pharrell Williams Becomes Co-Owner of Denim Brand G-Star

https://www.forbes.com/sites/declaneytan/2016/02/10/pharrell-williams-becomes-co-owner-of-denim-brand-g-star/#2738b1ff481d


So there are many more… who have invested in technology etc.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:

"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"

Jay goes on explains why:

Financial freedom my only hope
Fuck livin' rich and dyin' broke
I bought some artwork for 1 million
2 years later, that shit worth 2 million
Few years later, that shit worth 8 million
I can't wait to give this shit to my children



This reality can be checked.


10 Jews in Forbes top 50 billionaires
http://www.timesofisrael.com/10-jews-in-forbes-top-50-billionaires/


Jewish Billionaires Worth $812 Billion, Forbes Israel Reports
Of the top 10 richest Jews in the world, eight are from the U.S., while two are from Russia.


http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/jewish-billionaires-worth-812-billion-forbes-israel-reports-1.516302


Jews are a marginalized and disenfranchised people, but still hold themselves together by self controlled power (it doesn't mean every jew is rich or wealthy), unlike black people who get kicked from left to right up and down for 400 years now.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
^ How is this exposing white supremacy?

How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.


The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.

This is the lyric:

quote:


[Chorus]
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga


VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7lw0Ovzq0

^ this does not illustrate the point you mention. It doesn't say anything about white supremacy.

At the end where he says " Still nigga" he did not say
"they still think you a nigga"

Therefore he could be saying "I'm still a nigga"
And in the song he makes no judgment about the word.
And we know in Hip Hop Jay z voluntarily calls black people "niggas" so he sees his own people as "niggas"

The sentence is incomplete there is no personal pronoun like "I'm" or "They" so the perspective is left out to be guessed in the chorus - but it's answered later


And in the animation all the old stereotypes but there is nobody who is not black calling a black person a nigg** in the video

Wait a minute, he says "I'm a field nigga" in the video

"financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances"

So the word is not rejected by the video.

No the video is not a direct indictment of white supremacy.

The message of the song is that the stereotypes are not going to change so we need to focus on getting money and property as the key to freedom. That is most certainly the message of the song, the opposite of what you think it is

And that is reflected in the title and where he says "i'm not black I'm O.J."

Similarly in the Nina Simone song that was sampled, the lyrics that were not sampled include:

VIDEO Jay Z Story of O.J.
Nina Simone, Four Women 1966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRmzQ39sXTQ

" My skin is black
My arms are long
My hair is woolly
My back is strong
Strong enough to take the pain
Inflicted again and again
What do they call me
My name is AUNT SARAH
My name is Aunt Sarah

My skin is yellow
My hair is long
Between two worlds
I do belong
My father was rich and white
He forced my mother late one night
What do they call me
My name is SAFFRONIA
My name is Saffronia

My skin is tan
My hair is fine
My hips invite you
My mouth like wine
Whose little girl am I?
Anyone who has money to buy
What do they call me
My name is SWEET THING
My name is Sweet Thing

My skin is brown
My manner is tough
I'll kill the first mother I see
My life has been too rough
I'm awfully bitter these days
Because my parents were slaves
What do they call me
My name is PEACHES"
______________________________

Jay Z's song is a comment on this
It is the Nina Simone song where "they" is called out. The "they" is white supremacy.

So where Nina Simone was getting angry about the oppression, Jaz Z's attitude is not angry, it's C'est la vie on racism, instead success is the best revenge and -own- the stereotypes

I'm not saying that is wrong or right but that is the message coming from the jay Z song.

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
^ How is this exposing white supremacy?

How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.


The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.

This is the lyric:

quote:


[Chorus]
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga
Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga


VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7lw0Ovzq0

^ this does not illustrate the point you mention. It doesn't say anything about white supremacy.

At the end where he says " Still nigga" he did not say
"they still think you a nigga"
.

Black people understand how society looks at them., successful or not.

 -


 -

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Therefore he could be saying "I'm still a nigga"
And in the song he makes no judgment about the word.
And we know in Hip Hop Jay z voluntarily calls black people "niggas" so he sees his own people as "niggas"

LOL Surely when you see the graphics. [Big Grin]

 -


Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.


Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGU3fy8-w_4

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QB] Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:

"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"


Do Jews own most of the property in America?
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The sentence is incomplete there is no personal pronoun like "I'm" or "They" so the perspective is left out to be guessed in the chorus - but it's answered later

LOL Indeed it is incomplete. It has people confused and wondering.


 -

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:



Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.


Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGU3fy8-w_4 [/QB]

As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QB] Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:

"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"


Do Jews own most of the property in America?
You already stated that you aren't great at finances. So it will be a waste of time trying to explain. You barely can manage a household, let alone understand the capital market.


Btw, as a kid I use to read Africana books like Soul on Ice etc. In these books they explained financial positions of people in society, who owned property and how this was accomplished. I guess you the "Africana expert" read them also?


"At least 139 of the Forbes 400 are Jewish"

http://www.jta.org/2009/10/05/fundermentalist/at-least-139-of-the-forbes-400-are-jewish


Nowhere did Jay said it a bad thing, but he explains to the black population that they need to be financially independent.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:



Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.


Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGU3fy8-w_4

As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time [/QB]
LOL Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) opened up a book about the music business. A business you know very little about, like most people. [Big Grin]

Evidently in early rap music this was uncommon, until gangster rap became popular.

Tell me, which rap group popularized the word "nigga" in rap music?

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Wait a minute, he says "I'm a field nigga" in the video

So, explain what is a "field nigga"? [Roll Eyes]


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
"financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances"

So, show the still images, where this "financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances" is intercepted.


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
And that is reflected in the title and where he says "i'm not black I'm O.J."

He actually pauses for a second, like what the f***, then says "Okay" (with a Jay giggle). [Wink]



quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Similarly in the Nina Simone song that was sampled, the lyrics that were not sampled include:

My skin is black.


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
It is the Nina Simone song where "they" is called out. The "they" is white supremacy.

Back then whites called blacks nigger on any occasion. Now, some try to revamp it. However, let's not get into the "nigger jokes", 2017. In 2017 they still make jokes about unarmed blacks being killed by law enforcement, this amongst many other horrendous expressions.


 -


 -


quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
So where Nina Simone was getting angry about the oppression, Jaz Z's attitude is not angry, it's C'est la vie on racism, instead success is the best revenge and -own- the stereotypes

Yep, as a black person you are still a nigga, successful or not.

(C'est la vie) That is life on racism, indeed. Something you know very little about.


quote:
"The systemic racism in Baltimore’s police force"

In the Justice Department’s damning, astonishing report on the ingrained, systemic racism in Baltimore’s police department, one tidbit captures the larger picture. It describes an email by a city police supervisor containing a template for officers making trespassing arrests, with blanks to be filled in for date, location, suspect’s name and address — yet, oddly, no prompt for race or gender. Instead, the words “black male” were automatically included.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-systemic-racism-in-baltimores-police-force/2016/08/10/86ce448a-5f3f-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html?utm_term=.e4ec8aedc5f6
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
I'm not saying that is wrong or right but that is the message coming from the jay Z song.

Your "self-entitlement" is amazing.

Anyway, back to realty.

West Virginia non-profit director, who called Michelle Obama an 'Ape in heels'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4069692/West-Virginia-nonprofit-director-called-Michelle-Obama-Ape-heels-racist-Facebook-post-fired-four-days-returning-work.html#ixzz4nRtna L3P

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:



Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.


Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGU3fy8-w_4

As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time

LOL Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) opened up a book about the music business. A business you know very little about, like most people. [Big Grin]

Evidently in early rap music this was uncommon, until gangster rap became popular.

Tell me, which rap group popularized the word "nigga" in rap music? [/QB]

The word "niggas" was already popular in black neighborhoods on the East and West coast regardless of rap. Now when they first started putting it on records most of the big companies didn't want to play it. And then some of it came out and started to sell

quote:


Who came up with the name N.W.A?
It was between Dre and Eazy....

Were you listening to a lot of Richard Pryor comedy albums?
All that was influencing us: Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Cheech and Chong, Red Foxx, as well as Black Panthers, Crips and Bloods. In the ‘70s there was a barrage of shit thrown at you, then in the ‘80s it manifested through us. -- Ice Cube


The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.

Ice-T's "Freedom of Speech" states: "Hey, PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes/The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold./Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots/The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get."


_________________


Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >


How do niggas know that it's me when i come
Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...


Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest
Recognize post-its

Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game
Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game



Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.

Please. This is a travesty of culture.

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The word "niggas" was already popular in black neighborhoods on the East and West coast regardless of rap. Now when they first started putting it on records most of the big companies didn't want to play it. And then some of it came out and started to sell


No one is talking about that it didn't exist in the black community already. It (nigga) was meant different from nigger. Like blacks are still using it towards each other in sarcasm.

But the question was, what group popularized it in gangster rap. It was indeed N.W.A.

Before this time it was conscious rap dominating the scene. This doesn't mean that it didn't exist. lol

And while you are at it, tell who was the manager by N.WA. and who owned most of these record labels where this phenomenon was spread on records?

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.

Everything you post is from wikipedia, or other forums. lol

The 1995 committee formed had little to do with Rap music.
As can be read here "In 1985, the PMRC also released what they called the "Filthy Fifteen", a list of the 15 songs they found most objectionable.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center#The_Filthy_Fifteen


The above once shows again that you don't know what the heck you are talking about. All you have is the quick google searches.


From what I remember it was early 1990s the sticker "parental advisory" was demanded. Daddy 'O was one of the people in that committee. The stickers wasn't for vulgar language such as "nigga", but for more common street language. Of course it did open the door for the usage of the word nigga and bitches. Mostly used by the foolish folks.

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:


Ice-T's "Freedom of Speech" states: "Hey, PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes/The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold./Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots/The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get."


Yo, Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick?
You're bitchin' about rock ’n’ roll—that's censorship, dumb bitch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak
Say what we want, Tip—your argument is weak


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center#Criticism_and_parodies_by_musicians


Do you even know what that album is about? [Big Grin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iceberg/Freedom_of_Speech..._Just_Watch_What_You_Say!


It was because the wanted to shut down conscious rap, Edutainment!

Ice-T- Freedom Of Speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T6eJEJZHzo


quote:

A-yo Ice, man. I'm working on this term paper for college. What's the First Amendment?

[…]

Verse 3

Let me tell you about down south
Where a motherfucker might as well not even have a mouth
Columbus, Georgia, said they'd lock me up
If I got on the stage in my show and said "Fuck"
So I thought for a minute and said "No
I wasn't even gonna do a damned show"
Cos for me to change my words from my rhymes
Is never gonna happen cos there's no sell outs on mine
But I vowed to get those motherfuckers one day
They even arrested Bobby Brown and Cool J
Yo, they got their's comin', cos I'm mad and I'm gunnin'
Homeboys, and there's no runnin'
I'm gonna tell you how I feel about you
No bull, no lies, no slack, just straight fact
Columbus, Georgia, you can suck my dick
You ain't nothin' but a piece of fuckin' shit on the damned map

Verse 4

Freedom of Speech, let 'em take it from me
Next they'll take it from you, then what you gonna do?
Let 'em censor books, let 'em censor art
PMRC, this is where the witch hunt starts
You'll censor what we see, we read, we hear, we learn
The books will burn
You better think it out
We should be able to say anything, our lungs were meant to shout
Say what we feel, yell out what's real
Even though it may not bring mass appeal
Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine
If you don't like what I'm sayin'? Fine
But don't close it, always keep an open mind
A man who fails to listen is blind
We only got one right left in the world today
Let me have it or throw The Constitution away


Outro (Jello Biafra)

What they're trying to do with radio, with this, uh, McCarran-Walter Act and a lot of other ways, is start by saying that they're protecting the public from wicked rock bands, or girlie magazines, or whatever. But, if you follow the chain of dominoes that falls down what they're really trying to do is shut off our access to information itself

If they can't do it by law they know there's other ways to do it

Ice-T- You Played Yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5hjiV7u8XQ

quote:


[Verse 1]
This is it, dope from the fly kid
The Ice mic is back with the high bid
Suckers you've lost, 'cause players you're not, gangstas you ain't
You're faintin', punk, if you ever heard a gunshot
Yo, the pusher, the player, the pimp gangsta, the hustler
High Roller, dead pres folder
Is cold lampin' like a black king on a throne
Evil E...turn up the microphone
So I can ill and break on the rollin' tape
Another album to make? Great
Islam turn the bass kick up a bit
Hype the snare, now I got a place to sit
And ride the track like a black mack in his 'lac
Hit the corner slow where the girls are at
And kick game the way it should be done
How you gonna drop science? You're dumb
Stupid ignorant, don't even talk to me
At school you dropped Math, Science and History
And then you get on the mic and try to act smart
Well let me tell you one thing, you got heart
To perpetrate, you're bait, so just wait
Till the press shove a mic in your face
Or you meet Boogie Down or Chuck D
Stetsasonic or the Big Daddy
And they ask you about the game you claim you got
Drop science now, why not?
You start to sweat and fret, it gets hot
How'd you get into this spot?


[Chorus]You played yourself...

Yo, yo, you played yourself...

[Verse 2]
I'm no authority but I know the D-E-A-L
When it comes to dealin' with the females
What you got they want, cash is what they need
Slip sucker and they'll break you with speed
But you meet a freak, you try to turn her out
Spendin' money's what I'm talkin' about
But you fool out, your pockets got blew out
And after the date, no boots, you got threw out
Mad and shook 'cause your ducats got took
Call her up, phone's off the hook
But who told you to front and flaunt your grip?
You can't buy no relationship

You played yourself...
Yo, homeboy, you played yourself...

[Verse 3]
I'm in the MC game, a lot of MC's front
And for the money they're sell out stunts
But they claim that they're rich and that they keep cash
Yo, let me straighten this out fast
Two hundred thousand records sold
And these brothers start yellin' 'bout gold?
You better double that, then double that again
And still don't get souped, my friend
You think you've made it, you're just a lucky man
Guess who controls your destiny, fans
But you diss 'em 'cause you think you're a star
That attitude is rude, you won't get far
'Cause they'll turn on you quick, you'll drop like a brick
Unemployment's where you'll sit
No friends 'cause you dissed 'em too
No money, no crew, you're through

You played yourself...
That's right, you played yourself...
You played yourself...
Yo, yo, you played yourself...

[Verse 4]
You got problems, you claim you need a break
But every dollar you get you take
Straight to the Dopeman, try to get a beam up
Your idle time is spent trying to scheme up
Another way to get money for a jumbo
When you go to sleep you count Five-O's
Lyin' and cheatin', everybody you're beatin'
Dirty clothes and you're skinny 'cause you haven't been eatin'
You ripped off all your family and your friends
Nowhere does your larceny end
And then you get an idea for a big move
An armed robbery...smooth
But everything went wrong, somebody got shot
You couldn't get away, the cops roll, you're popped
And now you're locked, yo, lampin' on Death Row
Society's fault? No
Nobody put the crack into the pipe
Nobody made you smoke off your life
You thought that you could do dope and still stay cool? Fool

You played yourself...
You played yourself...
Ain't nobody else's fault, you played yourself


Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Were you listening to a lot of Richard Pryor comedy albums?
All that was influencing us: Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Cheech and Chong, Red Foxx, as well as Black Panthers, Crips and Bloods. In the ‘70s there was a barrage of shit thrown at you, then in the ‘80s it manifested through us. -- Ice Cube

[Roll Eyes] You don't even understand the psychology and psychometry behind the usage of the word "nigga". It's hurt… hurt… hurt. smh It was borne out of ignorance and hurt, this is why it attracts "nigger culture" the most.


quote:
After accepting his apology, the rapper and actor detailed why Maher's words were unacceptable stating that, in the past, white people have used the word against black people “like a knife.”

“I think it’s a lot of guys out there who cross the line because they’re a little too familiar, or they think they’re a little too familiar,” he said. “Every now and then, they think they can cross the line, and they can’t.”

“That’s our word now,” he said. “And you can’t have it back.”

—Ice Cube

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bill-maher-ice-cube-racial-slur-apology-real-time-a7783106.html


Here is a website, so you can learn about African American history.


Nigger (the word), a brief history

Sun, 1800-06-01

http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/nigger-word-brief-history

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:



The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.



Thankfully someone still had it and put in on Youtube:

Parental Advisory Label Arrives Summer 1990

I apologize for this generic News Broadcast, but the importance cannot be denied. Back when "Tower Records" were Paradises of Pop-Culture, the familiar "Parental Advisory Explicit Lyrics" Label rocked the Record industry. Debuting in July of 1990, I fondly recall purchasing "Banned in the U.S.A. by 2 Live Crew and rockin' to "I've got the Power" by "Snap." just because these Cds had that sexy Black and White label affixed to it. I know in today's mp3 world, with Itunes at your convenience, this label doesn't mean a whole lot. But Dee-Snider and "Daddy O" here thought otherwise.
Recorded in May of 1990, from "U.S. news tonight," a syndicated newscast that aired Late nite weeknights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMFTVUhDYu8


quote:
DOES THE PARENTAL ADVISORY LABEL STILL MATTER?

The first album to bear the standardized label in the lower right-hand corner was 2 Live Crew's Banned in the U.S.A., released that July. By then, '80s pop had run its course; rap was the new battleground for the censorship fight, with no group as embattled as Miami's 2 Live Crew. With songs like "Me So Horny" and "Bad Ass Bitch," the group's previous album had been ruled legally obscene by a district court in Florida. A full decade before Eminem terrorized parents with The Marshall Mathers LP, 2 Live Crew members found themselves arrested on obscenity charges, along with a record store owner who sold their 1989 disc to an undercover cop. Later, states like Missouri and Iowa tried to pass bills banning minors from explicit performances.

http://www.newsweek.com/does-parental-advisory-label-still-matter-tipper-gore-375607
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.

Please. This is a travesty of culture.

Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101764/Jay-Z-Beyonce-spark-outrage-photo-Tidal-staff-shows-lack-diversity.html#ixzz4nSs5P73D

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.

Please. This is a travesty of culture.

Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101764/Jay-Z-Beyonce-spark-outrage-photo-Tidal-staff-shows-lack-diversity.html#ixzz4nSs5P73D

And where did Jay Z or other employees of Tidal post pictures of other offices with all black, mostly black, or significantly black employees?

And Jay Z isn't the only one. Dame Dash is surrounded by white folks in most of his business ventures that I have seen.

Troy Carter same thing with his Atom Factory and other ventures.

So it is a perfectly valid argument against these multimillionaire tokens.

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.

Please. This is a travesty of culture.

Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101764/Jay-Z-Beyonce-spark-outrage-photo-Tidal-staff-shows-lack-diversity.html#ixzz4nSs5P73D

And where did Jay Z or other employees of Tidal post pictures of other offices with all black, mostly black, or significantly black employees?

And Jay Z isn't the only one. Dame Dash is surrounded by white folks in most of his business ventures that I have seen.

Troy Carter same thing with his Atom Factory and other ventures.

So it is a perfectly valid argument against these multimillionaire tokens.

That is probably because these business ventures are predominately white?
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:


And how do Neg...



No, not going there

[ 21. July 2017, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
this comment is deleted , you are calling black people "negroes" in a condescending manner
while at the same time criticizing use of the N word, that doesn't work --lioness

[ 21. July 2017, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
They were founded by said black folks. So how could they be predominantly white unless the black founder hired them and excluded black folks.
[…]

Tidal is a Tech Company and Norway is predominantly "white", like 97%.

Folks up there know what they are doing when it comes to Technology and I assume Norway has tax benefits as well, but I have not looked into that.


quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
But the folks buying Tidal are buying it not for the tech, but for the music.

Tidal provides hi-fidelity music, this runs on dedicated servers.
The software on those serves is based on complex algorithms.

Spotify also comes for that region.

Norwegians are known for producing high equally products.


quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Black folks create the culture in the hood around a bunch of other black folks and few if any whites and no record deals or contracts from white record companies.

I am confused here. What do you mean? The culture …?

Tidal is a Tech company. I don't see what that has to do with the hood ?


Jay Z needs have his company run properly. And not run into the ground. People with experience need to run the company, experience in software development, server maintenance etc.

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
And how do Negroes defend a standard of 'color blindedness' when it comes to black owned businesses but don't apply that same standard to white owned, Korean owned, Indian owned or Mexican owned businesses?

This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."

So there you see the result people.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:

And as far as American music goes and Negroes using the N-word. You don't see these clowns on records talking about killing cra**as do you? Why not? Why is that offensive but rapping about killing ni**as is OK? See the contradiction? But the difference is that white folks aren't going to come out and cosign that nonsense. Spanish people aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing sp*cs. Asians aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing ch**ks. No Mexican is going to come out defending rapping about we***cks. No artists or comedians are on TV or radio defending the user of such terms, even though they have gangs and crime just like anybody else and they also have rappers and elements of hip hop as well. Only Negroes do that.

What happened to blacks in the USA is not the same as what happened to other groups. Certainly not immigrant groups. And it's not like everybody is talking like that in black neighborhoods. Blacks in the USA systemically have been marginalized and disenfranchised. It literally has been attack after attack. And as Wise Intelligent for the Poor Righteous Teachers explained, it is usually poor blacks who will not turn down such offer.

Dr. Wesley Muhammad said that black people in America need a deniggerfacation process.


From what I understand Reggaeton derived from Dancehall.

Dancehall Mix-Up (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ca5kztiQw


Nina Sky - Move Ya Body (2004)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0WTChSuiek


The fact that it is hard to find proper Reggaeton mixes from early 2000 speaks volumes.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:


But the question was, what group popularized it in gangster rap. It was indeed N.W.A.

Before this time it was conscious rap dominating the scene. This doesn't mean that it didn't exist. lol


No, except for Public Enemy in the late 80s conscious rap was not dominating the scene.

Straight Outta Compton was released August 8, 1988

_____________________________

Top 40 Hip Hop Songs 1987

1. Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause

2. Eric B & Rakim - I Ain't No Joke

3. Audio Two - Top Billin'

5. Just Ice - Going Way Back

6. LL Cool J - I'm Bad

7. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded

8. Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full

9. Public Enemy - Public Enemy No. 1

10. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over

11. N.W.A - Dopeman

12. Eric B & Rakim - Move The Crowd

13. Ice T - Squeeze The Trigger

14. J.V.C. Force - Strong Island

15. Ultramagnetic MCs - Funky

16. Public Enemy - Bring The Noise

17. Juice Crew - Juice Crew Allstars

18. Eric B & Rakim - I Know You Got Soul

19. Big Daddy Kane - Raw

20. T La Rock - Lyrical King

21. Boogie Down Productions - Poetry

22. Salt N Pepa - Push It

23. Eric B & Rakim - As The Rhyme Goes On

24. Too Short - Freaky Tales

25. Big Daddy Kane - Somethin' Funky

26. Public Enemy - You're Gonna Get Yours

27. LL Cool J - I Need Love

28. Biz Markie - Nobody Beats The Biz

29. EPMD - It's My Thing

30. Boogie Down Productions - Dope Beat

31. Kool Moe Dee - How Ya Like Me Now?

32. MC Shan - Kill That Noise

33. Just Ice - The Original Gangster Of Hip Hop

34. DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince - Just One Of Those Days

35. Rodney O & Joe Cooley - Everlasting Bass

36. T La Rock - Bust These Lyrics

37. Steady B - What's My Name?

38. Spoonie Gee - The Godfather Of Rap

39. Heavy D - The Overweight Lover's In The House

40. Dana Dane - Cinderfella Dana Dane

________________________________


^ As we can see only a couple of the songs are "conscious".
KRS One was not even a conscious rapper at that time.

it's a myth that conscious rap was dominating the chart in terms of the number of conscious songs that were popular.. It's basically Public enemy with a few big hits, they come in around 1987 and were popular for a few years

If you look at the charts Public Enemy had hits in these years at the same time as N.W.A and Ice T and Geto Boys.

So conscious rap and gangster rap happen at the same time

What about way back in 1982 when the Message came out? The hits was that and Kurtis Blow, Africa Bambaataa, club songs

How about 1983, no except if you want to count "white lines" by Grandmaster Flash

1984, it's Run DMC, Roxanne Shante, Whoodini dominating

1985, Doug E Fresh, LL Cool J, Salt & Pepper
- and the first gangster rap song:
P.S.K.-What Does It Mean? (Park Side Killers) - Schoolly D (from Philly)

The beginning of rap was basically party songs, conscious rap groups don't even come in until, 87,88, 89.
Except for Public Enemy they never dominated the charts

So was all this early rap pure and beautiful? No, most was commercial pop party music but some very creative and entertaining
Gangster rap got bigger in the 90s coinciding with the Crack game.
And a lot of gangster rappers were and are funded by drug dealers before they got signed to labels

Who were the biggest conscious rap groups besides public enemy?
X Clan, came out in 1990, they didn't have big hits one or tow small ones, Poor Righteous Teachers, Dead Prez, thats mid 90s, The Coup
And ironically the audiences for Public Enemy and Dead Prez shows was mainly white,

Except for Public Enemy and Grandmaster Flash "The Message" conscious rap was not dominating the charts, nor does rap music
start that way in the early 80s, Conscious is mostly a short trend in the late 80s.

How do I know this? I was one of the original B-Girls

Don't take my word for it, start looking at the rap songs popular in the early years. look at the top 40 of each year

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."

So there you see the result people. [/QB]

Most blacks do not get degrees in Africana studies or Islamic studies as Wesley Muhammad did ( so he is in no position to even comment, most of his lectures are on religion)

Top 10 Majors Held By African-American Degree Holders

10-majors-by-concentration-of-african-american


1. Community and Public Health

2. Public Policy

3. General Medical and Health Services

4. Miscellaneous social sciences

5. Social work

6. Public Administration

7.Health and Medical Administration Services

8. Counseling Psychology

9. Human Services and Community organization

10. Student School Counseling

LINK

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Getting bak to the topic

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcdhQ9KfJA

Jay Z 4:44

The song is basically a heartfelt apology to Beyonce and his kids, the lyrics are not controversial

I like the video because of the random clips really catch your attention, some of it news clips or cell phone clips. It makes you think the way it is edited. Does it all add up and make sense?
No, it's kind of put together in an abstract way.
It's mysterious in a certain interesting way

No I don't like other songs where Jay Z at 47 years old is still dropping lines about selling dope in the 80s like its cool but I give him props for some of this album which is a lot less commercial than his typical work and more thoughtful in places

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."

So there you see the result people.

Most blacks do not get degrees in Africana studies or Islamic studies as Wesley Muhammad did ( so he is in no position to even comment, most of his lectures are on religion)

Top 10 Majors Held By African-American Degree Holders

http://www.bet.com/news/natio


1. Community and Public Health

2. Public Policy

3. General Medical and Health Services

4. Miscellaneous social sciences

5. Social work

6. Public Administration

7.Health and Medical Administration Services

8. Counseling Psychology

9. Human Services and Community organization

10. Student School Counseling

My post said humanitarian / Africana. Dr. Wesley Muhammad said humanitarian / Africana. The above posted by you, are in the humanitarian / Africana sector.

Btw that link doesn't work.


Wesley Muhammad did never claimed that most blacks get degrees in Islamic studies, as a matter of fact he stated that he didn't pay for his training in Islamic studies, rather yet it was an extension of his other degrees in theology.

As matter of fact he himself stated that he is part of a small percentage (2%) of blacks in Islamic studies, so that is what makes his degree relevant.

He also warned that blacks need to do more particle studies, so they don't have to complain about other communities such as described by Doug.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The proper word is "Humanities"

Humanities are academic disciplines that study aspects of human culture. The humanities are more frequently contrasted with natural, and sometimes social sciences as well as professional training

Humanities

1.1 Anthropology
1.2 Archaeology
1.3 Classics
1.4 History
1.5 Linguistics and languages
1.6 Law and politics
1.7 Literature
1.8 Performing arts
1.9 Philosophy
1.10 Religion
1.11 Visual arts

Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:


Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >


How do niggas know that it's me when i come
Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...


Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest
Recognize post-its

Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game
Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game



Answer N word lyrics from the song by "Wise Intelligent", Steady Slangin
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:


Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >


How do niggas know that it's me when i come
Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...


Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest
Recognize post-its

Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game
Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game



Answer N word lyrics from the song by "Wise Intelligent", Steady Slangin
So do you understand the song? [Eek!]



If you choose to inhale just don't abuse it
Harl up a lickel wicked ex-slave talk never could hurt nuttin
Never would write chore
Chicks off tip as i kick politricks, black kids wuhent supposed to make $1 kid
Now we get good and plenty, Shot outs props and thangs
All the came from the use of the slang
So what you talkin' when you say you'll ban this
You'll get a cock back la inna red hot clip !
A lickle summin summin, from the slang in me
You can't change me, I'm an ex-slave see
My lips, my nose, my coco black skin, subject to the slum and I'm steady slangin



Wise Intelligent Clearly Verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DeK386LuX0

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Doug M
Member
Member # 7650

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Doug M     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:

And as far as American music goes and Negroes using the N-word. You don't see these clowns on records talking about killing cra**as do you? Why not? Why is that offensive but rapping about killing ni**as is OK? See the contradiction? But the difference is that white folks aren't going to come out and cosign that nonsense. Spanish people aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing sp*cs. Asians aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing ch**ks. No Mexican is going to come out defending rapping about we***cks. No artists or comedians are on TV or radio defending the user of such terms, even though they have gangs and crime just like anybody else and they also have rappers and elements of hip hop as well. Only Negroes do that.

What happened to blacks in the USA is not the same as what happened to other groups. Certainly not immigrant groups. And it's not like everybody is talking like that in black neighborhoods. Blacks in the USA systemically have been marginalized and disenfranchised. It literally has been attack after attack. And as Wise Intelligent for the Poor Righteous Teachers explained, it is usually poor blacks who will not turn down such offer.

Dr. Wesley Muhammad said that black people in America need a deniggerfacation process.


From what I understand Reggaeton derived from Dancehall.

Dancehall Mix-Up (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ca5kztiQw


Nina Sky - Move Ya Body (2004)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0WTChSuiek


The fact that it is hard to find proper Reggaeton mixes from early 2000 speaks volumes.

The fact that what happened to American blacks is worse than those other folks makes it even more ridiculous for black folks to be the only group DEMANDING that we use the term in entertainment, art, culture and everyday speech. None of those other folks even remotely promote such nonsense....

Yes, raggaeton is derivative of Raggae overall, but as noted, the song Danza Kuduro reflects a strong Angolan influence in Raggaeton which also strongly influences Zumba. And it is this combination of the popularity of Zumba and the influence of Angolana music that has led to the popularity of Despacito. Not to mention the popularity of movies like The Fast and Furious that featured Danza Kudoro in the sound track.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/despacito-song-of-summer-justin-bieber-erika-ender-luis-fonsi/


Funny enough on the topic of the N-word, today the supreme court allowed people to copyright racial slurs and already a dude has filed a copyright for the term "ni**a" and said he wants to make t-shirts with positive messages featuring the term..... Now show me Asians doing the same or Mexicans and so forth....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/supreme-court-strikes-down-rule-disparaging-trademarks-1006208

Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
The fact that what happened to American blacks is worse than those other folks makes it even more ridiculous for black folks to be the only group DEMANDING that we use the term in entertainment, art, culture and everyday speech. None of those other folks even remotely promote such nonsense....

It is usually the ignorant who signs deals like this. It is a promised getaway out of the ghetto or projects.

I think it is all a bit more complex, from how you propose it to be. Most of these guys aren't well educated to make balanced decisions.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Yes, raggaeton is derivative of Raggae overall, but as noted, the song Danza Kuduro reflects a strong Angolan influence in Raggaeton which also strongly influences Zumba. And it is this combination of the popularity of Zumba and the influence of Angolana music that has led to the popularity of Despacito. Not to mention the popularity of movies like The Fast and Furious that featured Danza Kudoro in the sound track.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/despacito-song-of-summer-justin-bieber-erika-ender-luis-fonsi/

I have no idea why you bring this up.

It has literally nothing to do with Jay Z's album.

However, Jay Z did incorporated a few reggae songs / samples.


Sister Nancy -Bam Bam

Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard


Nicodemus, Super Cat and Junior Demus - Prerogative

Including Afro Latin: Totó La Momposina's La Verdolaga Totó La Momposina La Verdolaga

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Funny enough on the topic of the N-word, today the supreme court allowed people to copyright racial slurs and already a dude has filed a copyright for the term "ni**a" and said he wants to make t-shirts with positive messages featuring the term..... Now show me Asians doing the same or Mexicans and so forth....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/supreme-court-strikes-down-rule-disparaging-trademarks-1006208

I understand that over time it has become deeply ingrained into the culture.

Why would I need you to show you anything?

It is ignorant and foolish black people in America who do the things.
They are mental slaves, who refuse to admitted that and will fight that with all they've got. This is why "The Story of O.J." video is so strong.

Now show me Asians or Mexicans and so forth … being subjected to the mental terror that was imposed upon black America.

You need to understand the psychology.

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Geber
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Geber     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The proper word is "Humanities"

Humanities are academic disciplines that study aspects of human culture. The humanities are more frequently contrasted with natural, and sometimes social sciences as well as professional training

Humanities

1.1 Anthropology
1.2 Archaeology
1.3 Classics
1.4 History
1.5 Linguistics and languages
1.6 Law and politics
1.7 Literature
1.8 Performing arts
1.9 Philosophy
1.10 Religion
1.11 Visual arts

I care little for your supposed "correct spelling", the facts remain the same.

"Based on Georgetown University's study of college majors, BET.com breaks down are deemed the most likely to be held by African-Americans."

So why don't the show the actual study instead of some weird cramped page? Basically all other BS-stories are elaborated. And that webpage gives me headaches. It's a mess.


http://hbculifestyle.com/10-hbcu-liberal-arts-colleges-to-consider-attending/

http://www.spelman.edu/academics/study-abroad


Humanitarian Studies

https://www.fordham.edu/info/20526/majors_and_minors/1867/humanitarian_studies


Humanitarian Academy at Harvard

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/husehr/why-to-apply/

Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
  This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | EgyptSearch!

(c) 2015 EgyptSearch.com

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3