quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
quote:Rodgers and Edwards first met in 1970, when both were jazz-trained musicians fresh out of high school. Edwards had attended New York's High School for the Performing Arts and was working in a Bronx post office at the time, while Rodgers' early career also included stints in the folk group New World Rising and the Apollo Theater house orchestra
Here is a bonus, those musicians at Sugar Hill Records were Jazz musicians as well. That is the reason why those songs sounded so "musically", on a higher level.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
It means you don't know that much about music. Nobody uses the term "advanced note progressions"
"Chord progressions" is the term that is used and Nile's Rogers explains in the video many of the Chic songs only have two chords in them. That is a simple as you can get. A typical jazz song might have over ten
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
It means you don't know that much about music. Nobody uses the term "advanced note progressions"
"Chord progressions" is the term that is used and Nile's Rogers explains in the video many of the Chic songs only have two chords in them. That is a simple as you can get. A typical jazz song might have over ten
LOL Let me explain to you what I mean.
You have a root-NOTE you can progress, when you do so by lessening or adding notes you get an advancement in that note / key / chord progression. For Disco they did the same. In your mind progress "means" it has to be more complex.
Thus we can conclude that YOU don't know what YOU are talking about.
See, even when Nile himself is saying it you still argue, which makes you look dumb. He even played the same chords faster and slow so people could hear the similarities in Disco and Jazz, but you still argue.
quote: "I didn't know we were getting that kind of feedback in New York. New York always takes a long time to accept anybody who doesn't come form there. We try to pay not too much attention to New York....
When we were doing records Public Enemy wasn't out yet
So Ice Cube was lying? He was actually listening to the song "Public enemy #1" on a Long Island radio station and he said " damn, we have to respond to this" So that is how they came up with "Straight out of Compton" ? So Easy E had been listening to Public Enemy and he wrote the song " Boyz-n-the-Hood" as a response to Public Enemy?
Was Ice T also responding to Public Enemy when he put out Rhyme Pays in 1987 or Power in 1988?
Did the record company tell them to make gangster music but they really wanted to make political rap ?
LOL This again.
This proofs again that you are a nut-job, so called Africana specialist. But yes NWA was the political answer to P.E.
Please explain why The Bomb Squad produced Ice Cubes debut album. Why was there a sudden change in his tone?
P.E. and a few other (later famous rap) groups came together in 1982, to form a coalition. I know things you don't know, so called "original b-girl". LOL
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Great message here. He never says don't sell crack.
He says when your get money from crack sales open up a school.
--So what would they teach there "How to sell Drugs to Open a School 101" ?
By doing what? The message in this song does not come from an intellgent political program
Malcom X would have never said "Black drug dealer, you have to wise up and organize your business so that we can rise up"
He would have said shut down that crack business immediately and stop poisoning people
Your self entitlement is amusing.
Drug dealer, understand historical fact Every race got ahead from sellin' drugs except Black We are under attack, here comes another cold fact In the '30s and '40s a drug dealer wasn't black They were Jewish, Italian, Irish, Polish, etc. etc Now in '90 their live's a lot better They'll sell you a sweater, a pair of pants, cold-hearted But first sellin drugs and killin' people is how they started Drug dealer, black and Hispanic, stop killin' one another Cause in the ghetto we're all brothers Organized economically, understand the psychology America is the drug monopoly They own the block and kill your brother for Therefore, we got the same enemy - what's more, I go on tour But who do you think picks up the bill? A hard working fireman? Chill!Posts: 22244 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by tific: I forgot to mention that Sunnyview records ( Newcleus ) was owned by Morris Levy.
I never spoke of Newcleus. But yeah, of course it was owned by Morris Levy.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nile Rodgers account of disco was inaccurate & unverified.
You are an air-head and this has been accurately verified.
Nile Rodgers said these things himself in interviews. He himself stated that sales went down and really hurt mostly black artists. Since Disco artist were mostly black (logically). It was a popular Dutch DJ / music-journalist who interviewed him on that. I will try to find it.
Steve Dahl responsible for Disco Demolition.
Disco Demolition' The Night Disco Died
Radio personality Steve Dahl protested disco in the late 1970s at Comiskey Park. After 37 years, a new book, 'Disco Demolition' is out and recounting one of the most infamous events in Chicago history. MEER WEERGEVEN
"All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do" Is hyperbole
Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
This is comes from one too air-headed to understand the politics in the music industry. You live in a fantasy, where you think it is all glory for musicians. The average artist earns far less than one dollar of each sale (per song). People (artist) are being screwed over and over with corrupt contracts. So called pop specialist!
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nwa was not a response to Public Enemy
I posted links on Krs one & Ice cube
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
Roundup: YOU BABBLE GARBAGE! Do you not understand the words, "I have personally met certain people." Are you too ignorant and dumb to understand these words? I know certain thing of certain artist, others do not.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
I was in it then and I am in it now. But I was always in it underground. That is the difference between popular culture and what you "believe" it is or should be like". This is why you can only address the "popular" stuff.
For this reason underground people laugh at pop-music and icons.
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I don't see as many legendary groups in Hip Hop as there used to be.
CHUCK D (OVERLAPPING) You don't see groups.
NICK HUFF BARILI Why do you think that is?
CHUCK D The biggest difference between then and now is that it was a group effort in the '80s. The elements were all in conference with each other. Emcee and break dancing, DJ'ing, which was the ruler of the roots and even, graffiti, part of it, art expression. When the recording contracts came about and they recorded four people and then they, like, five people that sound like one, like the Furious Five used to say, well, the problem came into the area of renegotiation. If something was hot, you had to renegotiate with, like, five people, so that's not on record company time, and when it came to black music, it was the re-negrotiation or re-niggergotiation when it came to rap, and some of these obstacles of dealing with five to four heads as opposed to one company trying to deal with one became the pattern. It's easy to cut a deal with one person and just deal with the lawyer. So it's still a team, but it was a team of others, not the team of makers and creators, and so that, over a long period of time, had sort of, like, been the evolution or the devolution of Hip Hop as far as being the master of its own sphere, you know? Now, it's individuals, and people point to individuals. And I'm telling you, it ain't no one person could do it better than a group that's wired right, that's on focus and on point. They might get paid more money, but that's probably it. Or the, you know, they might get all the exposure. Like, for example, I think Jay-Z and Kanye West, if you took the amount of radio play that they've had over the last 20 years, you know, I mean, I think it's probably 10,000 times has to be 100,000 times anybody had gotten in the '80s and '90s. A hundred thousand times. Like, when you hear a record like 16 times a day. These rap records didn't do that. Nobody made that happen. So therefore, the--all those spoils go to that one situation now. So you have legends, but they're individual legends.
NICK HUFF BARILI I can't believe it's been 27 years since It Takes a Nation came out.
CHUCK D I can. (INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) Twenty--yeah, twenty-six years. NICK HUFF BARILI I read that the first two copies, you gave to Dr. Dre and Easy E. Is that right?
CHUCK D Well, they were copies I had, and we'd play in Vegas together, and they were back there. I'm, like, man, boom. When I left them, they were staring at it, turning it over, you know, like, this is the shit, which wasn't--I think it influenced them to make, you know, Straight out of Compton. NICK HUFF BARILI What was your take on NWA at the time? CHUCK D They were nice, young guys.
(INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) I mean, I knew they probably scared white America, but to us, we was, like, we were grown men. We was, like, man, these are nice little guys. I remember the NWA and the Posse and it just, like, well, they were influenced by Bum Rush the Show, you know, and I just said, this is a force, because I said this is taking place—this is Hip Hop in another city. And, and we befriended them. I mean, matter of fact, I befriended Ice Cube, so when the whole thing happened with Cube and NWA, I tried to tell Cube just stay with the group, man. The group is the thing, but he said it was impossible for him to do so. So I had to tell my team that we had to figure out (LAUGH) we didn't want to jar their situation by, like, but he wasn't gonna go back to the situation, so we had to agree to helping Ice Cube, you know, make his first album. And that's when the whole shit changed. That's when the west was won. Uh, because after Straight out of Compton, you know, came America's Most Wanted in 1990, along with Fear of a Black Planet and the bread seeds were already laid when Cube was coming to visit us, and me and Kane had been talking for the longest period of time about collaborating with a song, and I said, well, this is the title, Burn, Hollywood, Burn, and Cube happened to be there at the same time when Kane came to the studio in Green Street Studios, and Cube was sitting there and me and Kane was talking, and Cube, you know, we was working out the beginnings of his America's Most Wanted, but he said, yo, I want to be down on that shit.
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I would first like to apologise for my Tim dog Snoop dog error.
Now lets go back to your Disco beats
Do you realise that you denounced pop but use a pop producers account & popular music examples to misdirect? Niles Rodgers output or opinion does not represent the rugged & raw underground as he was sophisticated classy pop producer. You never bothered to cross reference or research a Salsoul Philadelphia or smaller record labels account.
Disco is not Jazz with advanced note progression.And even if you were correct it would have declined or morphed just like Jazz did in that era. And those examples you posted were pop & radio friendly. You avoided posting the repetitive chanting , percussive rugged or controversial stuff.
Musique - In The Bush War - Good Good feelin African Suite - Pigmy Jimmy Sabater - To be with you Herbie Hancock - you bet your love
You can't just post up music.. You have to look at the acts background ,formation date & previous output ..Where they formed before or during disco's emergence Did they switch & create disco songs because it was trendy like Herbie Hancock , Blondie or many rock groups or were they forced to try it to resurrect a failing career like Tina turner or James Brown .Did they get away with it or did it backfire & end their careers. Did they gain or lose audiences? etc
Also There were songs with heavy african percussion by groups like Osibisa . Kongas , Cymande, Manu Dibango. 20th Century Steel Band .Latin American artists also had variations. They were not disco but were in disco playlists as they had higher tempos .
Disco demolition happened in the Usa.. But
We had acts like the Bee Gees , Average White band , Biddu Orchestra , Tina Charles , Heatwave, The Real Thing Hot Chocolate & discofied movies like The Bi.ch & The stud starring Joan Collins in my country. There were disco artists like Ottawan & Le Pamplemousse, Boney M & Gibson Brothers in other parts of Europe ..All these acts & many more were signed or licensed to the same global labels which had rock artists on the roster & played in Us clubs There were also African disco & Italio disco artists & there all suffered the same fate..
So whats the plausible explanation.
They moved on or declined because every label or act invested too much in a trendy decadent elitist genre which was limited & never reflected the politics & issues at the time.
Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
You used this as an example to bolster another unverified claim about forces undermining rap But I can't be bothered to contest.
You can out - write me & deviate but every hue-mann knows the truth.
Pyrrhic victory.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nile Rodgers account of disco was inaccurate & unverified.
You are an air-head and this has been accurately verified.
Nile Rodgers said these things himself in interviews. He himself stated that sales went down and really hurt mostly black artists. Since Disco artist were mostly black (logically).
quote:Originally posted by tific:
"All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do" Is hyperbole
Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
This is comes from one too air-headed to understand the politics in the music industry. You live in a fantasy, where you think it is all glory for musicians. The average artist earns far less than one dollar of each sale (per song). People (artist) are being screwed over and over with corrupt contracts. So called pop specialist!
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed. [/qb][/QUOTE]Roundup: YOU BABBLE GARBAGE! Do you not understand the words, "I have personally met certain people." Are you too ignorant and dumb to understand these words?
[/qb][/QUOTE]I was in it then and I am in it now. But I was always in it underground. That is the difference between popular culture and what you "believe" it is or should be like". This is why you can only address the "popular" stuff.
For this reason underground people laugh at pop-music and icons. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco is not Jazz with advanced note progression.And even if you were correct it would have declined or morphed just like Jazz did in that era.
It did, dunce. Nile even played these chords, dunce. Hence, NuJazz.
Stevie Wonder - Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing 7-14-73
quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco demolition happened in the Usa.. But
This dunce, it's just unbelievable. lol smh
quote:Originally posted by tific: Do you realise that you denounced pop but use a pop producers account & popular music examples to misdirect? Niles Rodgers output or opinion does not represent the rugged & raw underground as he was sophisticated classy pop producer.
LOL Long before there was a man named Dj Disco KING MARIO. This was late 60's. Hence the name. Dj Disco KING MARIO played specific underground songs.
Generally speaking Nile is considered one of the main contributors of Disco.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
LOL at the above, dunce AIR-HEAD!
The Note Episode 4 | Disco Demolition: Riot to Rebirth
And those examples you posted were pop & radio friendly.
Those songs I've posted didn't make it to the mainstream commercial radio, you fool.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
You never bothered to cross reference or research a Salsoul Philadelphia or smaller record labels account.
You missed the part where I mentioned white and black labels. Do you even have a clue what this is?
There was this DJ who risks his life by going to Harlem, to get the latest disco songs.
I will post the documentary on this as soon as I'll find it.
quote:Originally posted by tific: We had acts like the Bee Gees , Average White band , Biddu Orchestra , Tina Charles , Heatwave, The Real Thing Hot Chocolate & discofied movies like The Bi.ch & The stud starring Joan Collins in my country. There were disco artists like Ottawan & Le Pamplemousse, Boney M & Gibson Brothers in other parts of Europe ..All these acts & many more were signed or licensed to the same global labels which had rock artists on the roster & played in Us clubs There were also African disco & Italio disco artists & there all suffered the same fate.
Please stop your jokes, they aren't funny. Are you truly try to convince that is was mainly "white artist" who suffered from this fiasco?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
As if disco was the main culture in Europe, ie Germany. Pluuuuuze. Posts: 22244 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands and surrounding countries have American military bases. And I have relatives in the USA.
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Why did the moderator reveal your undisclosed location? ( That may explain your inattentiveness )
It was not mentioned in this topic. That's confidential.
Someone better explain or I close my Account. As i'm impartial & it could be me next.
This page is screenprinted & saved.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands has American military basis.
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quote:Originally posted by tific: Why did the moderator reveal your undisclosed location? ( That may explain your inattentiveness )
It was not mentioned in this topic. That's confidential.
Someone better explain or I close my Account. As i'm impartial & it could be me next.
This page is screenprinted & saved.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands has American military basis.
It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. But yeah the moderator is somewhat cowardish, especially in hiding his/ her own info.
Btw, I hated "Hot Chocolate" and some of these other commercial "disco groups".
The average white band was cool though. First I heard them was at my uncles house. They have been sample quite a lot as well
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I geus tific is the first banned member ever on EgyptSearch, simply for asking a fair question? We may have disagreed on certain issues here. But this?
This sis a sad day.
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quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Ish he privately pmed me requesting that I ban him due to him not being able to trust anyone on this website after your location was revealed.
He asked for clearance first. This was refused by ..., and as an alternative asked to delete his account, if there was no proper reason to given. If admins are willing to do these things, more can be done. I know.
But this is especially detrimental, because this person in question keeps everything hidden and a secret about him (her) self. This was a cowardish act.
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If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
what's pathetic? you explained the situation before I even had a chance too I suspect him banning himself was an excuse to free himself from endless circles with you he felt trapped in , the time wasting he mentioned
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
what's pathetic? you explained the situation before I even had a chance too I suspect him banning himself was an excuse to free himself from endless circles with you he felt trapped in , the time wasting he mentioned
Sure.
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quote: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated. Hence there was very little, if anything, that could be passed along to help their children get to college, to help their children buy their first homes, or as an inheritance when they die," said Shapiro.
Since the 1980s, US administrations have also geared the tax system to the advantage of the better off. Taxes on unearned income, such as shares and inheritance, fell sharply and are much lower than taxes on pay.
that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
The golden age of black entrepreneurship 1900-1930
The nadir of race relations was reached in the early 20th century, in terms of political and legal rights. Blacks were increasingly segregated. However the more they were cut off from the larger white community, the more black entrepreneurs succeeded in establishing flourishing businesses that catered to a black clientele.
The most rapid growth came in the early 20th century, As the increasingly rigid Jim Crow system of segregation moved urban blacks into a community large enough to support a business establishment. The National Negro Business League, Promoted by college president Booker T. Washington the League opened over 600 chapters, reaching every city with a significant black population.
By 1920, there were tens of thousands of black businesses, the great majority of them quite small. The largest were insurance companies. The League had grown so large that it supported numerous offshoots, including the National Negro Bankers Association, the National Negro Press Association, the National Association of Negro Funeral Directors, the National Negro Bar Association, the National Association of Negro Insurance Men, the National Negro Retail Merchants' Association, the National Association of Negro Real Estate Dealers, and the National Negro Finance Corporation.[12] The Great Depression of 1929-39 was a serious blow, as cash income fell in the black community because of unemployment, and many smaller businesses close down. During World War II many employees can indeed owners switched over to high-paying jobs in munitions factories. Black businessmen generally were more conservative elements of their community, but typically did support the civil rights movement. By the 1970s, federal programs to promote minority business activity provided new funding, although the opening world of mainstream management attracted a great deal of talent.
In urban areas, North and South, the size and income of the black population was growing, providing openings for a wide range of businesses, from barbershops [13] to insurance companies.[14][15] Undertakers had a special niche, and often played a political role.[16]
Historian Juliet Walker calls 1900-1930 the "Golden age of black business." [17] According to the National Negro Business League, the number black-owned businesses doubled from 20,000 1900 and 40,000 in 1914. There were 450 undertakers in 1900 and, rising to 1000. Drugstores rose from 250 to 695. Local retail merchants – most of them quite small – jumped from 10,000 to 25,000.[18][19][20]
One of the leading centers of black business was Atlanta. According to August Meier and David Lewis, 1900 was the turning point as white businessmen reduced their contacts with black customers, black entrepreneurs rush to fill the vacuum by starting banks, insurance companies, and numerous local retailers and service providers. Furthermore, the number of black doctors and lawyers increased sharply. All this of course was in addition to the traditional businesses, such as undertakers and barbershops that had always depended on a black clientele.[21] Durham, North Carolina, a new industrial city based on tobacco manufacturing and cotton mills, was noted for the growth of its black businesses. Durham lacked traditionalism based on plantation-era slavery, and practiced a laissez-faire that allowed black entrepreneurs to flourish.[22]
College president Booker T. Washington (1856-1915), who ran the National Negro Business League was the most prominent promoter of black business. He moved from city to city to sign up local entrepreneurs into his national network the National Negro Business League.[23][24]
The North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company headquarters in Durham N.C. By the 1920s, the federal government had set up a small unit to distribute information to black entrepreneurs, but no financial aid was forthcoming.
By far the most prominent black entrepreneur of the century of was Charles Clinton Spaulding (1874 – 1952), president of North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company in Durham North Carolina.[26][27] It was the nation's largest black-owned business. It operated a system of industrial insurance, whereby its salesmen collected small premiums of about 10 cents every week from its clients. That provided them insurance for the following week; if the client died the salesman immediately arranged payment of the death benefit of about $100. That paid for suitable funeral, which was a high prestige event to the black community. Black undertakers also benefited and themselves became prominent business men. By 1970, they grossed more than $120 million for 150,000 race funerals each year.[28]
Charles Clinton Spaulding
North Carolina Mutual was the brainchild of black entrepreneur John C. Merrick in the late 1800s. Merrick was born into slavery as the son of a white man and a former slave in 1859. By 1920 the company had over 1,000 employees. When Moore died, Charles Clinton Spaulding took over as president.
Today, North Carolina Mutual Life Company still stands and operates in Durham. It currently services as clients all across the world through partnerships and offices in many states. The company has total assets of $162 million, with net life insurance of $14.3 billion.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
You have a reading disability.
Supposedly you now understand economics and social policies better than Ph.D. Tom Shapiro? Let's put you to test. Explain wealth distribution.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "The golden age of black entrepreneurship 1900-1930".
So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
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He was a smart man, who knew how to jump hurdles.
quote:He quickly expanded North Carolina Mutual’s operations, which had nearly 100,000 clients in 1908, not only in North Carolina, but other states as well. Spaulding was elevated to vice president in 1908. North Carolina Mutual provided life insurance for African Americans that were denied by other places because of their skin color.
--Emmanuel Stocker, North Carolina State University
Full Title: Tom Shapiro, "Black Wealth/White Wealth: Hidden Costs of Being Black"
"Race Today: A Symposium on Race in America" brought a group of the nation’s most respected intellectuals on race, racial theory and racial inequality together to consider the troubling state of black life in America today. What are the broader structural factors that shape race today? How do these factors work on the ground and institutionally and what are the consequences? What are the ideas about race, and racial identities that enable the normalcy of stark racial differences today? In particular, what role do key ideas such as “colorblindness” and “post race” play in shaping perception and outcomes? What can be done to challenge ideological and structural impediments to a racially egalitarian society?
Tom Shapiro is the Pokross Professor of Law and Social Policy and the Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis University. Shapiro is a leader in the asset development field with a particular focus on closing the racial wealth gap. He is the author of The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality, and with Dr. Melvin Oliver, he wrote the multi award-winning Black Wealth/ White Wealth.
Friday, February 27, 2015 Brown University
Presented by the Center for the Study of Race and Ethnicity in America (CSREA) and the Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice.
Co-sponsored by the Office of the President and the Office of Institutional Diversity.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb]"that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
You have a reading disability.
No, lack of comprehension is your specialty
it's very simple, I don't care if someone has a PhD
Black people in America have been and discriminated against exploited against But that does not mean black people have only been victim and it doesn't mean the following BS statement is true
quote: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses.
I'm beginning to think you are not who you present yourself to be
Landowners: Anthony and Mary Johnson, 1640. Black-owned insurance company: The African Insurance Company, 1810. Black Labor Union: American League of Colored Laborers, 1850.
Frederick Patterson and His Company's Auto Chasiss, 1916 Click here for more information Paste over your article text here Black-owned Bank: True Reformers Bank, 1889. Black-owned resort: Highland Beach, Maryland, 1893. Millionaire: Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender in 1905. Automobile manufacturing company: C.R. Patterson & Sons, 1915. Record Company: Black Swan Records, 1921. Black-owned Youth Camp: Camp Atwater, 1921. Black-owned metropolitian newspaper: Robert Maynard and the Oakland Tribune, 1983 Billionaire: Robert Johnson, 2001, owner of Black Entertainment Television.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: No, lack of comprehension is your specialty
it's very simple, I don't care if someone has a PhD
Black people in America have been and discriminated against exploited against But that does not mean black people have only been victim and it doesn't mean the following BS statement is true
You barely can count to 10. So when I asked you to explain wealth distribution, you ran off as quick as possible. And you still can't explain it, other than some weird dumb rant that is supposed to be impressive.
Even worse is, he outlined everything statistically and historically in the lecture what he said in that article. Yet you "came back" with more stupidity, looking even more ridiculous as before.
Structural Racism — the normalized and legitimized range of policies, practices, and attitudes that routinely produce cumulative chronic adverse outcomes for people of color — is the main driver of racial inequality in America today.
Tom Shapiro, Pokross Professor of Law and Social Policy and Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis, spoke about his research, particularly the role homeownership, race and intergenerational inheritance, which led to his book, The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality.
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Landowners: Anthony and Mary Johnson, 1640. Black-owned insurance company: The African Insurance Company, 1810. Black Labor Union: American League of Colored Laborers, 1850.
Frederick Patterson and His Company's Auto Chasiss, 1916 Click here for more information Paste over your article text here Black-owned Bank: True Reformers Bank, 1889. Black-owned resort: Highland Beach, Maryland, 1893. Millionaire: Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender in 1905. Automobile manufacturing company: C.R. Patterson & Sons, 1915. Record Company: Black Swan Records, 1921. Black-owned Youth Camp: Camp Atwater, 1921. Black-owned metropolitian newspaper: Robert Maynard and the Oakland Tribune, 1983 Billionaire: Robert Johnson, 2001, owner of Black Entertainment Television.
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
What you did here, is typically what white supremacist use by saying" "Well Oprah and Micheal Jordan made it so racism doesn't exist".
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive. [/QB]
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall. Why lioness, why?
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
Explain I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall.
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
You know this is not true >
"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses."
So now you are trying to change the subject.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
Explain I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall.
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
You know this is not true >
"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses."
So now you are trying to change the subject.
I am saying of you to answer my question. What does wealth distribution mean.
First by Law and then by Custom, is correct. Nothing I say is to change the subject, it is all connected. So when I ask you why black Americans had a great migration, I expect a proper answer by you. But for some reason you keep running away from this question.
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Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
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Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
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Lioness stop acting like a child and answer the question.
We are talking about economy now.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
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Nice, so why did they flee, lioness why why? Hmmm.
quote:Northern industries' decision to open their doors to African-American workers set off a great exodus, as tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands people fled the racial oppression of the American South for the better jobs, higher wages, right to vote, personal safety, and educational opportunities that they could find for themselves and their children in the north. By the time the Great Depression ended the First Great Migration, some 1.6 million African Americans had fled the South.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Lioness stop acting like a child and answer the question.
We are talking about economy now.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
I am not going to answer these questions because you are using them to cover up the false statement that there was no black owned business in America before 1960. Secondly you already know the answer to the questions so you are using it to test me and I don't do tests. So you can ask me a million times and I won't answer, get used to it. And if you looked at my previous post you would see an example of a black business that came about after the migration -and add to that the Harlem Renaissance
And all this coming out of you defending Jay Z saying in 2017 that black people need to buy neighborhoods using drug money
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I am not going to answer these questions because you are using them to cover up the false statement that there was no black owned business in America before 1960.
Nowhere did he say what you said.
This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
But you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities. This is why you aren't able to answer properly.
But I am still waiting for you to answer the questions.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
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This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
the statement is false, there were thousands of black businesses prior to 1960 that means they were allowed, I just put up an ad for a bank in Philadelphia, That doesn't mean there weren't obstacles. It's a misleading statement. Europeans reading that would think there were no black businesses prior to 1960 because they weren't allowed
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Secondly you already know the answer to the questions so you are using it to test me and I don't do tests. So you can ask me a million times and I won't answer, get used to it.
Of course I know the answers to what I am asking. And you don't , this is why you use all this crazy excuses with all this spam all over the place. Nothing constructive. Posts: 22244 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
I just put up an ad for a bank in Philadelphia, That doesn't mean there weren't obstacles. It's a misleading statement. Europeans reading that would think there were no black businesses prior to 1960 because they weren't allowed
He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
This is why I ask you:
1) WHAT IS THE REDLINING?
2) Why did African Americans flee in droves? Why are you scared to touch this one? hmmmm
3) What is wealth distribution?
You are afraid to answer these basic questions, because it will debunk you.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
So this black bank owned bank established in the 1920s wasn't allowed. That is false. Do we have to go one by one showing black business that were allowed prior to 1960? I already showed North Carolina Mutual established in 1898, black owned and still exists today
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