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True,but when people mention multicultural they mean whites and non whites this has the adverse effect of us not truly understanding are history which blinds us to the fact that we are competing with these other folks,I think nationalisms should operate as a means of protecting are selves in the Americas so no black population has to live in fear when something happens with one of their countries and it should allow us to deal with non Africans in an appropriate manner.
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^ This is the problem. Instead of supporting existing black nations the focus is solely on victimization by white people, it's defeatism
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ This is the problem. Instead of supporting existing black nations the focus is solely on victimization by white people, it's defeatism
I knew that you wouldn't actually get to the end of the video. Dr. Wilson gives the answer to the problem in which you have pretended to ask at the top of this thread. The fact that you did not get to the end tells me WHO you are. You have revealed yourself.
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Black nationalism is preferable but in the context of the U.S. it should be the emulation of fostering social capital the way groups like Jews, Indians(India) and Mexicans do it.
There should also be back-up links with Africa for business the way the Lebanese, Indians and Chinese are doing. Liberia is a likely place to start given that it was founded in black America's name. Bigger in area than South Korea(55 million and a major industrial power)--but with only 4 million people.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: [QB] Black nationalism is preferable but in the context of the U.S. it should be the emulation of fostering social capital the way groups like Jews, Indians(India) and Mexicans do it.
we don't need social capital
we need capital,
the green stuff
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed. Quit using we. the devil is a liar....
you see this meme? This guy is NOT black.. he is an Asian dude wearing black make up...
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Of course, you are not serious with this statement.
It is social capital that creates the conditions for the accumulation of capital within specific groups.
It is social capita founded on the tacit principle of inclusivity and exclusivity that creates the conditions for the accumulation of capital. The Chinese have done it successfully in South East Asia and the U.S. The Jews in their European ghettos used that situation to accumulate both physical and human capital.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: [QB] Black nationalism is preferable but in the context of the U.S. it should be the emulation of fostering social capital the way groups like Jews, Indians(India) and Mexicans do it.
we don't need social capital
we need capital,
the green stuff
Funny this coming from a person who knows very little about finances. (your own words, not mine)
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
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Black Nationalism doesn't correlate with Black Nations.
Of course it does [/QB]
No, of course it's doesn't.
You have no argument, nor can you defend this reasoning. Plus all "Black nations" are multicultural and accept multiculturalism over nationalism.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
Hmm, interesting.
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Lioness .Can you clarify your definition of multiculturism & also expand on your opening post Or are you just going to selectively respond to others?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: What's better Black Nationalism or Multiculturalism?
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Black nationalism only really means owning and controlling the means of production, the ability to build and maintain institutions for social development and progress and the ability to defend all the above. As opposed to neocolonial and colonial systems where the country is black or the blacks are a significant minority but have no control or ownership of the wealth, means of production or institutions of social advancement.
Unfortunately in the West many times a lot of people say "black nationalism" but really mean some form of multiculturalism. Black nationalism generally really truly applies to the situation in Africa and other parts of the diaspora like the Caribbean. But it can also apply in America to "niche" areas: like ownership and control of media platforms. Controlling educational resources in certain districts. Control of economics in a neighborhood or district.
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Black Nationalism doesn't correlate with Black Nations....
all "Black nations" are multicultural and accept multiculturalism over nationalism.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black nationalism only really means owning and controlling the means of production, the ability to build and maintain institutions for social development and progress and the ability to defend all the above.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
That is Not what he proposed on the video link in this discussion
Africa spelled with a K? 3 times = kkk ... your subconscious is leaking.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
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There are dozens of black 'Nations' in Africa and yet there is not one that is worthy of the name. Some will point to the predatory economic and financial policies of Western powers towards African States... and that's certainly a factor, but it pales in comparison to the role played by Africa's death-deserbing mis-leaders; these self-serving, corrupt, myopic, tribalistic and obscenely incompetent 'leaders' bear the bulk of the responsibility for Africa's wretched state of affairs.
No one can ride you, unless your back is bent.
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quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: There are dozens of black 'Nations' in Africa and yet there is not one that is worthy of the name. Some will point to the predatory economic and financial policies of Western powers towards African States... and that's certainly a factor, but it pales in comparison to the role played by Africa's death-deserbing mis-leaders; these self-serving, corrupt, myopic, tribalistic and obscenely incompetent 'leaders' bear the bulk of the responsibility for Africa's wretched state of affairs.
No one can ride you, unless your back is bent.
You have to start somewhere
black owned land
and government
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: why is that nonsense or are we supposed to read your mind?
African-Americans do not have their own 'Nations' with trillions of dollars in natural wealth, and so the notion that they should somehow bear the responsibility of helping that wretched continent to get up and actually achieve something for itself, is ridiculous.
The continent could achieve wealth to eclipse the wealth of Northwest European States... but that would demand that African leaders adopt certain political philosophies that significantly curb their wide ranging Executive powers; it would demand the separation of powers and respect for political institutions; it would mean that providing and delivering services such as clean drinking water, electricty, healthcare, schools, roads and more are far important than hoarding the Nation's wealth in foreign bank accounts and killing-repressing the people.
If Africa properly utilized its natural wealth, it could repatriate the Akhdam of Yemen and provide for and uplift its descendants in Latin America, Central America, North America and the Caribbean.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
That is Not what he proposed on the video link in this discussion
Africa spelled with a K? 3 times = kkk ... your subconscious is leaking.
I was wondering what was up with the triple K's.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] I already know about Blueprint for Black Power
Alright, great! Explain to me what Dr. Wilson proposes. Thanks.
This:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: supporting existing black nations
That is not what Dr. Wilson proposed.
The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
That is Not what he proposed on the video link in this discussion
Africa spelled with a K? 3 times = kkk ... your subconscious is leaking.
.
newsflash,
quote:The Afrikan American community, especially, should vastly overhaul and reconstruct its educational orientation toward a knowledge of the Motherland. It must realize that its own economic salvation is coterminous with or tied to that of Afrika's. It must invest money and human resources in Afrika's development and perceive its economic prosperity as its special responsibility and mission
Black Nationalism doesn't correlate with Black Nations....
all "Black nations" are multicultural and accept multiculturalism over nationalism.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black nationalism only really means owning and controlling the means of production, the ability to build and maintain institutions for social development and progress and the ability to defend all the above.
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Silly individual using other peoples post for validation, other people post who you normally disagree with on everything. You eurocentrick divide and conqueror tactics don't work on me. LOL
Now, let's look and the etymology.
quote:nationalism (n.) Look up nationalism at Dictionary.com 1844, "devotion to one's country;" see nationalist + -ism; in some usages from French nationalisme. Earlier it was used in a theological sense of "the doctrine of divine election of nations" (1836). Later it was used in a sense of "doctrine advocating nationalization of a country's industry" (1892).
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: people post who you normally disagree with on everything.
I don't disagree with certain people on everything, occasionally I agree on something
you have a problem now
You simply lack the intelligence to formulate your position.
It is you who has a problem now. Since I posted the etymology. But somehow I have a problem because your eurocentrick ideology hides behind with what Doug posted.
See, you are like an open book, I can read you with eas. And the time has come to kick it up a notch or two.
quote: Definition of black nationalist
: a member of a group of militant blacks who advocate separatism from the whites and the formation of self-governing black communities
: one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation … his vision for the community—an enclave where residents fly
“racialist” banners, where they are able to import enough … white nationalists to take control of the town government … — John Eligon, New York Times, 30 Aug. 2013
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: There are dozens of black 'Nations' in Africa and yet there is not one that is worthy of the name. Some will point to the predatory economic and financial policies of Western powers towards African States... and that's certainly a factor, but it pales in comparison to the role played by Africa's death-deserbing mis-leaders; these self-serving, corrupt, myopic, tribalistic and obscenely incompetent 'leaders' bear the bulk of the responsibility for Africa's wretched state of affairs.
No one can ride you, unless your back is bent.
Truth be told.
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: a member of a group of militant blacks who advocate separatism from the whites and the formation of self-governing black communities
Ok, going by this definition there are many hundreds of thousands of such communities in Africa that are 100% black
What are called African Nations today are largely derived from boundaries established by European colonists in their interest
Although many of these black nations are over 90% black they don't have a black only policy
Nevertheless they are much closer to being all black than in America where the whole territory is under the dominion of the U.S. government and it's laws.
So one of these African governments could institute a Black Nationalist state and they would only have to separate out 10% or less of the non-black population to achieve this
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quote:Originally posted by tific: Is this a legit topic. An attempt to profile the new members or are you on overtime rates?
Can you clarify multiculturism.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: What's better Black Nationalism or Multiculturalism?
It's again this very rude matter by the lioness, by simply not responding to even a New poster.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: there are many hundreds of thousands of such communities in Africa that are 100% black
They are NOT NATIONALISTIC.
I understand the yearn for a "white nationalist nation", but it was whites nationalism who went to other continents to mess up their progress.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: What are called African Nations today are largely derived from boundaries established by European colonists in their interest
Indeed, this involved white nationalistic ideas.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Although many of these black nations are over 90% black they don't have a black only policy
Yep, thus are not nationalistic. In fact "other people" are welcomed.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Nevertheless they are much closer to being all black than in America where the whole territory is under the dominion of the U.S. government and it's laws.
Black is becoming a detrimental term and definition, I am confused when you use it.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So one of these African governments could institute a Black Nationalist state and they would only have to separate out 10% or less of the non-black population to achieve this
Hmmm, … okay.
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Black people have never had a social system of agency to promote black development and progress via the oppression and subjugation of other populations based on differences in language, skin color and ethnicity. Europeans define their progress to this day in their ability to oppress, kill, enslave and subjugate populations based on skin color. Nationalism is not an inherently bad term, but the white colonists have framed the term in such a way that black folks owning the land they have been on for thousands of years is a "bad thing". Because that would keep the resources and money from flowing to the colonists and their enterprises. According to this logic the only "good" nationalism is white nationalism meaning white folks exploiting everyone elses labor and resources for the benefit of a few white oligarchs at the very top. This is why Macron the new French President is so worried about population increases in Africa but not population increases in America, China or India, the three most populous counties on earth. So in this framework any thing "black" is bad, even if the exact same thing is done by everybody else. When blacks own stores and hire blacks it is racist. But when Mexicans do it or Chinese do it and Koreans or Indians do it, oh that is perfectly fine.
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White Nationalism and Black Nationalism advocate the same thing, nations separated by race, Ish is correct on this
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Yep, thus are not nationalistic. In fact "other people" are welcomed.
Nationalism is merely tribalism on a large scale
Dude, this is why there is no Black Nationalism in Africa!!!!!! Posts: 22235 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black people have never had a social system of agency to promote black development and progress via the oppression and subjugation of other populations based on differences in language, skin color and ethnicity. Europeans define their progress to this day in their ability to oppress, kill, enslave and subjugate populations based on skin color. Nationalism is not an inherently bad term, but the white colonists have framed the term in such a way that black folks owning the land they have been on for thousands of years is a "bad thing". Because that would keep the resources and money from flowing to the colonists and their enterprises. According to this logic the only "good" nationalism is white nationalism meaning white folks exploiting everyone elses labor and resources for the benefit of a few white oligarchs at the very top. This is why Macron the new French President is so worried about population increases in Africa but not population increases in America, China or India, the three most populous counties on earth. So in this framework any thing "black" is bad, even if the exact same thing is done by everybody else. When blacks own stores and hire blacks it is racist. But when Mexicans do it or Chinese do it and Koreans or Indians do it, oh that is perfectly fine.
Lioness proposed this, so lioness can find away to accuse white supremacy aka white nationalism. This is the lioness legacy, don't you get it?
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black people have never had a social system of agency to promote black development and progress via the oppression and subjugation of other populations based on differences in language, skin color and ethnicity. Europeans define their progress to this day in their ability to oppress, kill, enslave and subjugate populations based on skin color. Nationalism is not an inherently bad term, but the white colonists have framed the term in such a way that black folks owning the land they have been on for thousands of years is a "bad thing". Because that would keep the resources and money from flowing to the colonists and their enterprises. According to this logic the only "good" nationalism is white nationalism meaning white folks exploiting everyone elses labor and resources for the benefit of a few white oligarchs at the very top. This is why Macron the new French President is so worried about population increases in Africa but not population increases in America, China or India, the three most populous counties on earth. So in this framework any thing "black" is bad, even if the exact same thing is done by everybody else. When blacks own stores and hire blacks it is racist. But when Mexicans do it or Chinese do it and Koreans or Indians do it, oh that is perfectly fine.
Lioness proposed this, so lioness can find away to accuse white supremacy aka white nationalism. This is the lioness legacy, don't you get it?
How could anyone get your confused thoughts?
I proposed something so I can find a way to accuse white nationalism.
So I am accusing white nationalism of something.
I don't recommend anybody assume what Ish Gebor says makes sense.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black people have never had a social system of agency to promote black development and progress via the oppression and subjugation of other populations based on differences in language, skin color and ethnicity. Europeans define their progress to this day in their ability to oppress, kill, enslave and subjugate populations based on skin color. Nationalism is not an inherently bad term, but the white colonists have framed the term in such a way that black folks owning the land they have been on for thousands of years is a "bad thing". Because that would keep the resources and money from flowing to the colonists and their enterprises. According to this logic the only "good" nationalism is white nationalism meaning white folks exploiting everyone elses labor and resources for the benefit of a few white oligarchs at the very top. This is why Macron the new French President is so worried about population increases in Africa but not population increases in America, China or India, the three most populous counties on earth. So in this framework any thing "black" is bad, even if the exact same thing is done by everybody else. When blacks own stores and hire blacks it is racist. But when Mexicans do it or Chinese do it and Koreans or Indians do it, oh that is perfectly fine.
Lioness proposed this, so lioness can find away to accuse white supremacy aka white nationalism. This is the lioness legacy, don't you get it?
How could anyone get your confused thoughts?
I proposed something so I can find a way to accuse white nationalism.
So I am accusing white nationalism of something.
I don't recommend anybody assume what Ish Gebor says makes sense.
I am referencing to your 10-year history and thousands of post here.
To sit here "acting" as if this all is not true, is merely hilarious.
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