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Was the Race War the English war and the Civil War the Scottish war, both seeking to remove black people?
Similarly how is it that black kings came back into power after that? Charles II, James, William?
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Race war .. Where are you getting this misinformation ? Black Kings never came into power in the Uk because they never existed.
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Dido Elizabeth Belle & Charles II
You have verifiable writings from multiple sources & European forums. Then you have some dishonest people with dusky tainted unverified singular paintings,sloppy research & bogus websites.
They leech the web for photographs of art & claim x is black or looks black.And they never trace the lineage.. They have never visited Europe or the art galleries museums etc etc They are also clueless on image editing ,monitor calibration & colorimetry.
They do serve one useful purpose as you can see the same members in the topic so you can ignore & avoid.
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quote:Originally posted by tific: Race war .. Where are you getting this misinformation ? Black Kings never came into power in the Uk because they never existed.
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Dido Elizabeth Belle & Charles II
You have verifiable writings from multiple sources & European forums. Then you have some dishonest people with dusky tainted unverified singular paintings,sloppy research & bogus websites.
They leech the web for photographs of art & claim x is black or looks black.And they never trace the lineage.. They have never visited Europe or the art galleries museums etc etc They are also clueless on image editing ,monitor calibration & colorimetry.
They do serve one useful purpose as you can see the same members in the topic so you can ignore & avoid.
Those aren't sources, stop with the moronic nonsense, true sources can only be primary, not crack pot historians using their influence to hide data and information.
As an example, you can read
JACOBITE GLEANINGS FROM STATE MANUSCRIPTS
Short Sketches of Jacobites The Transportations in 1745
BY J. MACBETH FORBES
It gives a list of descriptions of war prisioners being black or brown being transported out of Europe, this a vast majority of them. If you aren't doing your due dillgence you aren't worthy of convercing on the topic.
Cedobor, to answer your question, a lot of stuff was destroyed or reformed when they took over, they also made a business out of creating fake paintings to illustrate actually having a history as apparently according to their writings when they first came out of Europe to explore they didn't document their history while in the third estate. How could they if the majority of them could neither read nor write?
Moreover it seems that there was a lot of back and forth up until they finally gained control of Europe and it wasn't just a full on race war. The most wicked and cunning of them infiltrated the church system which was already corrupt by pretending to be pious. From there they gained more influence and control slowly transporting power to their own. I'm still trying to figure out how the blacks in authority in their provinces allowed it to get this bad so I'm rereading some of the memiors but it sounds like they were too worried about looking good so were easily victim to blackmail and other hearsay tactics.
Most people back then were dumb and did no research so they had protestant fake scholars who promoted the revolutions as being religious when it was obviously anarchy. Cromwell admitted as much and even went on a hateful rant that was clearly racial. Also during this you had mass raids where they destroyed religious imagey and the authentic images of kings and rulers were pretty much widely destroyed.
One primary German source from back then also claims that he watched as those destroying images mocked the Biblical prophets and their descendants so at the time these people did not see themselves or the people in the bible related to them. I believe the guy mentioned prior said it was like they were possesed with demons as they did it or that he feared God would strike them for their mockery of all of these things they were destroying.
You also have writers in the 17th century admitting that the rulers over the Englishmen came from the South and also gave them Christainity. So they basically corrupted it and brought it back to the black nations. The provinces back then had no grid system so there was so no real way to check if those Englishmen subjected to Christainity didn't mix their own fantasies into it, such as elements of Christmas, false images or other errors.
Typically you can actually look at how they opperate today to get an idea of what went down in Europe, I was really curious and excited to dig for the truth myself but I became dissapointed as I researched because it was pretty much just what they do today using hearsay or printed material as apposed to the media. It was probably easier to pull of what they do back then because there was no internet of age of information to verify if they were lying about things. You can also see the traces of using religion in their political schemings today particularly in the US, where its more obvious their religious factions are more political prop tools than anything else.
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quote:Originally posted by tific: [qb] Race war .. Where are you getting this misinformation ? Black Kings never came into power in the Uk because they never existed.
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Dido Elizabeth Belle & Charles II
You have verifiable writings from multiple sources & European forums. Then you have some dishonest people with dusky tainted unverified singular paintings,sloppy research & bogus websites.
They leech the web for photographs of art & claim x is black or looks black.And they never trace the lineage.. They have never visited Europe or the art galleries museums etc etc They are also clueless on image editing ,monitor calibration & colorimetry.
They do serve one useful purpose as you can see the same members in the topic so you can ignore & avoid.
Those aren't sources, stop with the moronic nonsense, true sources can only be primary, not crack pot historians using their influence to hide data and information.
As an example, you can read
JACOBITE GLEANINGS FROM STATE MANUSCRIPTS
Short Sketches of Jacobites The Transportations in 1745
BY J. MACBETH FORBES
It gives a list of descriptions of war prisioners being black or brown being transported out of Europe, this a vast majority of them. If you aren't doing your due dillgence you aren't worthy of convercing on the topic.
I looked at that, they only describe one prisoner as black -also no name calling please
quote:Originally posted by tific: [qb] Race war .. Where are you getting this misinformation ? Black Kings never came into power in the Uk because they never existed.
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Dido Elizabeth Belle & Charles II
You have verifiable writings from multiple sources & European forums. Then you have some dishonest people with dusky tainted unverified singular paintings,sloppy research & bogus websites.
They leech the web for photographs of art & claim x is black or looks black.And they never trace the lineage.. They have never visited Europe or the art galleries museums etc etc They are also clueless on image editing ,monitor calibration & colorimetry.
They do serve one useful purpose as you can see the same members in the topic so you can ignore & avoid.
Those aren't sources, stop with the moronic nonsense, true sources can only be primary, not crack pot historians using their influence to hide data and information.
As an example, you can read
JACOBITE GLEANINGS FROM STATE MANUSCRIPTS
Short Sketches of Jacobites The Transportations in 1745
BY J. MACBETH FORBES
It gives a list of descriptions of war prisioners being black or brown being transported out of Europe, this a vast majority of them. If you aren't doing your due dillgence you aren't worthy of convercing on the topic.
I looked at that, they only describe one prisoner as black -also no name calling please
You're slipping, it takes several seconds to open the archive and find out you are lying. Post every last description including the commentary on page 50 saying they would be suitable to the west indies which would be on page 50.
Calling you a liar is not name calling, its the truth. Similarly you are also being dishonest with my post, I called the information he produced moronic. So once again you are prooving your disingenuousness and lack of integritity that is not fitting for modding.
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I'm not trying to lie just find out what you are talking about because you don't do proper research and post the specific data like other posters do, you just refer to a whole book. I did a word search for "black" and only came up with 6 However I have gone over it again and searched black with a comma added
black,
and the others came up.
Here's a couple of excerpts, what you should have been posting
Jacobite Gleanings from State Manuscripts: Short Sketches of Jacobites; the ... By J. Macbeth Forbes
The Jacobites - their name being derived from the Latin Jacobus, meaning James - were supporters of James II and his heirs' claim to the English throne. Since 1688 when James fled into exile, his supporters kept alive the hope of a Jacobite restoration, and with it the return of Catholicism to Britain.
Two short-lived and unsuccessful rebellions, in 1715 and 1745, attempted to restore the Stuarts to the English throne. The Old Pretender, James Edward Stuart, son of James II, arrived in Scotland in 1715 to rise against the authority of George I, it was a disastrous failure. His son, the Young Pretender, Charles Edward Stuart, known as Bonnie Prince Charlie, returned from exile in France during July 1745.
quote:Originally posted by fencer:: Actually most of the time I do post entire pages, so again you are lying, you just choose to ignore them if they don't fit your agenda, and pretend like you can't read or understand. When things get too hot you can now start completely deleting post. You are being dishonest and have already shown examples of poor modding integrity not even a good several months in.
If these people really want the info they'll search for it rather than be spoon fed all the time like infants. Sometimes I'm content with the title of the book and page number. This is done in many books when authors are refrencing something.
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quote:Originally posted by fencer:: Cromwell admitted as much and even went on a hateful rant that was clearly racial.
You are making a lot of unqualified statements. What is the quote? Are you afraid to post it that it might be scrutinized? Did you make it up?
Of all the old writing on the Jacobite period I challenge you to quote one example where disparaging remarks are made that specify blacks or any remarks that describe blacks as a groups.
You expect people to read whole books looking for an alternate narrative on European history which you have not even outlined and is not written about in any book, where the Catholics of Europe prior to the 17th century are black.
You don't seem confident in your theory, you don't even have a timeline. So where does it all begin? Was Constantine and the Byzantine empire black?
No wonder the word isn't getting out, you are keeping the basic narrative a secret and saying if people want to know about it they will have to do their own research. So you are part of the problem
James VII of Scotland (James II of England)
The Jacobites were a group of mostly Scottish people in the late 17th and 18th centuries, who believed that the Catholic James VII of Scotland (James II of England) should be returned to power. So blacks were supporting this white man pictured above?
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quote:Originally posted by fencer:: Actually most of the time I do post entire pages, so again you are lying, you just choose to ignore them if they don't fit your agenda, and pretend like you can't read or understand. When things get too hot you can now start completely deleting post. You are being dishonest and have already shown examples of poor modding integrity not even a good several months in.
If these people really want the info they'll search for it rather than be spoon fed all the time like infants. Sometimes I'm content with the title of the book and page number. This is done in many books when authors are refrencing something.
Wait, this here is a conflict of interest. We have a poster who also is moderator who is deleting peoples post during a debate because this poster / moderator disagrees with the opposite party?
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quote:Originally posted by fencer:: Actually most of the time I do post entire pages, so again you are lying, you just choose to ignore them if they don't fit your agenda, and pretend like you can't read or understand. When things get too hot you can now start completely deleting post. You are being dishonest and have already shown examples of poor modding integrity not even a good several months in.
If these people really want the info they'll search for it rather than be spoon fed all the time like infants. Sometimes I'm content with the title of the book and page number. This is done in many books when authors are refrencing something.
Wait, this here is a conflict of interest. We have a poster who also is moderator who is deleting peoples post during a debate because this poster / moderator disagrees with the opposite party?
Don't make false assumptions. People who make puns on another poster's name (troll behavior) instead of addressing them with the proper spelling of their name will have their posts deleted.
You may re-post such posts without that.
Will I come in and change select words instead? No. If a rule is broken the whole post is deleted. That is how it works, like it or not
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Don't make false assumptions. People who make puns on another poster's name (troll behavior) instead of addressing them with the proper spelling of their name will have their posts deleted.
You may re-post such posts without that.
Will I come in and change select words instead? No. If a rule is broken the whole post is deleted. That is how it works, like it or not
Well, you have changed / altered posts within recent times. So it not odd that I am responding in this manner.
If false statements were made on others, you should have said so in that edit. So all posters can follow along with what is going on.
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