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^ Yeah that industrial revolution was certainly an important factor. Th piece I've posted was well written, but it lacked that part.
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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
There was no difference between the South or the North when it comes to racism against black folks. Slavery was a secondary issue of the war. The main issue was integrity of the Country. And the issue of slavery was not about concern for the rights of black people as opposed to the desire in the North to move forward with industrialization and end the dependence on slavery. The Northern industrialists planned on using European immigrant and white American skilled labor to replace black slave workers. And this is why there were so many race riots in the North against black folks both during and after the civil war.

The only reason the North made overt gestures in support of black folks was due to the fact that the North was losing the war. So drafting black folks was a logical step to turn the tide. But after the war all those promises made to black folks were eventually forgotten and disregarded and Jim Crow and legal segregation and discrimination became the law in the ENTIRE country. North and South. Because both groups had no interest in making black folks fully integrated members of the country with all the rights and benefits of the country. So in that sense there was no difference in terms of racism or white nationalism between Southern farmers and Northern Industrialists...... Make no mistake about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGQvKiJi4Jw

why did the South secede ?
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This is a big theoretical issue in history: should one morally evaluate past societies and their actors in terms of the moral principles of the present?

Caesar and other Roman generals invaded,killed and enslaved the inhabitants of Europe. The Appian Way in Rome was often lined with the slaughtered bodies of Europe's barbarian people.

The Romans and Greeks before them ran slave societies made up of captives from their wars. The Romans liked their British slaves because they were meek and not very bright.

London--originally Londinium--in England was a Roman fort that was built after the Roman invasions. Should the name, London be changed to Boudica who fought against the Romans?

Muslims invaded India and killed many Hindus then built the Taj Mahal. Should it be destroyed and replaced with a Hindu temple?

This is the basic question: should history be viewed through moral lenses? Yes, it has been viewed that way in some cases--but not in all cases. Hitler's wars and Nazism have been condemned non-stop in Europe. Stalin's crimes including purges, murders, show trials and torture gulags have been condemned but not as much.

Napoleon is seen as hero in France with his revered Mausoleum, but was in favor of slavery in Haiti and tricked Toussaint to meet with him only to capture him and send him into exile.

Serious responses only: How about renaming Howard University--Nat Turner University. And Spelman College, Harriet Tubman College? And all blacks casting off the names of the slavers who owned their ancestors as rejection of Confederates monuments of slavery?

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Caesar and other Roman generals invaded,killed and enslaved the inhabitants of Europe. The Appian Way in Rome was often lined with the slaughtered bodies of Europe's barbarian people. The Romans and Greeks before them ran slave societies made up of captives from their wars. The Romans liked their British slaves because they were meek and not very bright.

Yep, they do suffer from cognitive dissonance. Thinking they are actually the Romans or Roman descendant. You can see it in academia, movies, books etc. Same goes for the Viking claim, just as weird.


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Muslims invaded India and killed many Hindus then built the Taj Mahal. Should it be destroyed and replaced with a Hindu temple?

If India wants to take down the Taj Mahal because they find it insulting that is their business, if not that is also their business. They live in an autonomous state. So the Taj Mahal doesn't impose "Islamic supremacy" upon east Indian people.

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This is the basic question: should history be viewed through moral lenses? Yes, it has been viewed that way in some cases--but not in all cases. Hitler's wars and Nazism have been condemned non-stop in Europe. Stalin's crimes including purges, murders, show trials and torture gulags have been condemned but not as much.

In the country where I live is it probated to carry out the hitler salute or carry nazi symbols. This is so in most of Europe, if not all. Neither will you find any Hitler monuments in Europe.


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Napoleon is seen as hero in France with his revered Mausoleum, but was in favor of slavery in Haiti and tricked Toussaint to meet with him only to capture him and send him into exile.

Most if not all European pirates etcera are being seen as heroes.


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Originally posted by lamin:

Serious responses only: How about renaming Howard University--Nat Turner University. And Spelman College, Harriet Tubman College? And all blacks casting off the names of the slavers who owned their ancestors as rejection of Confederates monuments of slavery?

The confederate monuments have been placed there after the civil war. These have been put there by KKK members and affiliates to impose white supremacy upon black America during the civil rights era. There is nothing great about these statues. And black people should't have to be confronted with these statues of white supremacy and terror imposement, especially in this day and time.

I am sure white supremacist dislike seeing statues of Blacks such as W.E.B. Du Bois, Booker T. Washington etc. But these diverse a place in those places where we see confederate soldiers.

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
This is a big theoretical issue in history: should one morally evaluate past societies and their actors in terms of the moral principles of the present?

Caesar and other Roman generals invaded,killed and enslaved the inhabitants of Europe. The Appian Way in Rome was often lined with the slaughtered bodies of Europe's barbarian people.

The Romans and Greeks before them ran slave societies made up of captives from their wars. The Romans liked their British slaves because they were meek and not very bright.

London--originally Londinium--in England was a Roman fort that was built after the Roman invasions. Should the name, London be changed to Boudica who fought against the Romans?

Muslims invaded India and killed many Hindus then built the Taj Mahal. Should it be destroyed and replaced with a Hindu temple?

This is the basic question: should history be viewed through moral lenses? Yes, it has been viewed that way in some cases--but not in all cases. Hitler's wars and Nazism have been condemned non-stop in Europe. Stalin's crimes including purges, murders, show trials and torture gulags have been condemned but not as much.

Napoleon is seen as hero in France with his revered Mausoleum, but was in favor of slavery in Haiti and tricked Toussaint to meet with him only to capture him and send him into exile.

Serious responses only: How about renaming Howard University--Nat Turner University. And Spelman College, Harriet Tubman College? And all blacks casting off the names of the slavers who owned their ancestors as rejection of Confederates monuments of slavery?

So how does tearing down a statue end racism in America? And once you start where do you stop? Do you tear down and rename every building,street, college, school building, institution, scholarship, piece of currency and anything else related to slavery and racism? And if the answer is yes you know that would literally mean tearing down almost EVERYTHING in America, Mt Rushmore included. The idea that the only notable figures in America who were openly racist white nationalists before or after the civil war were the Confederates is pure unadulterated complete nonsense.

Just saying.

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Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) was a Confederate general during the Civil War (1861-65). Despite having no formal military training, Forrest rose from the rank of private to lieutenant general, serving as a cavalry officer at numerous engagements including the Battles of Shiloh, Chickamauga, Brice’s Crossroads and Second Franklin. Known for his maxim “get there first with the most men,” Forrest was relentless in harassing Union forces during the Vicksburg Campaign in 1862 and 1863, and conducted successful raiding operations on federal supplies and communication lines throughout the war. In addition to his ingenious cavalry tactics, Forrest is also remembered for his controversial involvement in the Battle of Fort Pillow in April 1864, when his troops massacred black soldiers following a Union surrender. After the Civil War Forrest worked as a planter and railroad president, and served as the first grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. He died in 1877 at the age of 56.
http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/nathan-bedford-forrest
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Originally posted by mena7:
I dont understand why a country will build monuments and statues to traitors and secessionists that have lost a war. The White supremacists are acting like they are oppressed minority. Let me tell you the truth White supremacists White people rules the world. White people conquered the world from Black and Brown people 600 years ago.

White people control the most powerful country in the world. White people own the most powerful banks in the world. White people own the most powerful corporation in the world. white people own the patents for the majority of modern technology. White people control the world most powerful media. White people control the most powerful armies in the world. I can go on in on. LOL the White supremacists are acting like they are victims, thats a joke.

When the White Supremacist in Charlotteville were screaming 'Jews will not replace us'remind me of a post by Jantahanta stating that during the French Revolution the Black monarchs of Europe were deposed by the White masses and replaced by White monarchs.

The following timeline may best explain, what I've tried to explain earlier on.


The Complicated History Of The Confederate Flag | Time Capsule

https://youtu.be/H1VnD-PRVh8


This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict

https://youtu.be/WClgR6Q0aPE


Following clashes of violence surrounding protest against the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue in Charlottesville Virginia, America's debate over the legacy of confederate symbolism has reopened. The central questions: Are these monuments meant to commemorate the racial tension underlying the confederacy's secession? Or are they meant to serve as a simple marker of American history?

The Southern Poverty Law Center created this timeline to document the upwards of 1500 monuments constructed between the civil war and today. For a deeper look at the data, you can check out their comprehensive report, "Who's Heritage? Public symbols of the confederacy," available here:
https://www.splcenter.org/20160421/whose-heritage-public-symbols-confederacy

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What happnend that Friday night!

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Clergy convene in Charlottesville, protesting Alt-Right rally


On Friday night, ahead of tonight’s planned rally, members of the alt-right and white supremacist groups marched through the streets of Charlottesville, VA carrying torches and chanting slogans steeped in the history of bigotry. “Blood and soil,” a Nazi ideology of so-called purity based on ethnicity and national origin, “Jews shall not replace us,” and “white lives matter” were among their rallying cries. They are protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.


Some counter-protesters clashed with the white supremacists near a statue of Thomas Jefferson, but many remained in a peaceful prayer vigil at St. Paul’s Memorial Episcopal Church. Clergy from many different faiths and from across the nation were present, answering a call from the bishops of the Diocese of Virginia. For some time, the white supremacists surrounded the church, but they were eventually disbanded by police for unlawful assembly. Traci Blackmon, a United Church of Christ minister tweeted that the police weren’t letting people inside the church go out for their own safety.



https://www.episcopalcafe.com/clergy-convene-in-charlottesville-protesting-alt-right-rally/
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Shut the f@ck up
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quote:
Originally posted by Suliman:
Shut the f@ck up

I agree, shut the confederate the f@ck up!
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We had almost the same reaction here in South Africa when colonial statues were being removed.

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quote:
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We had almost the same reaction here in South Africa when colonial statues were being removed.

I am not surprised by that.


"Charleston church shooting suspect Dylann Roof wore white supremacist apartheid-era flag patches on jacket"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dylann-roof-wore-white-supremacist-flag-patches-jacket-article-1.2262581

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It is said the that Andrew Young was an informant and part of the Dr. Martin Luther King assassination.

Going by that logic, the following is not surprising.


quote:
"Andrew Young opposes fight over Confederate statues"

Civil rights icon and former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young said Wednesday he doesn’t back the fight to tear down Confederate memorials around the country and that he fears it could have unintended consequences.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--politics/andrew-young-opposes-fight-over-confederate-statues/eUumzGm5vUDQmwIcd7qU0O/


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"Andrew Young: Don’t blame the Klan or ‘uneducated white people’"

ANDREW YOUNG: Most of the issues that we’re dealing with now are related to poverty. But we still want to put everything in a racial context. The problem with the – and the reason I feel uncomfortable condemning the Klan types is – they are almost the poorest of the poor.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/20/andrew-young-dont-blame-the-klan-or-uneducated-white-people/


quote:
Andrew Young: Atlanta police face ‘unlovable little brats some times’

Andrew Young, the former Atlanta mayor and veteran of the 1960s civil rights movement, said recent Atlanta protesters have been able to “show off with no consequences” and told city police officers to not get upset.

“Those are some unlovable little brats out there some times,” Young said in a meeting with officers at a southwest Atlanta precinct.

He visited to offer encouragement to officers as protests in Atlanta continue over shootings by police in Louisiana and Minnesota. Reporters were invited to witness the meeting.


http://www.ajc.com/news/local/andrew-young-atlanta-police-face-unlovable-little-brats-some-times/f7mIVNMsNpuNBjv2hjOK7K/


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Andrew Young: I apologize for calling protesters ‘unlovable little brats’


That was a quick backtrack: Legendary civil rights activist Andrew Young apologized for calling some of the protesters marching against police violence “unlovable little brats.”

He told WSB’s Sophia Choi on Tuesday that he never meant to offend the protesters, only to thank the police officers who showed restraint during the demonstrations.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/07/13/andrew-young-i-apologize-for-calling-protesters-unlovable-little-brats/
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quote:
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So how does tearing down a statue end racism in America? And once you start where do you stop?

Somebody could argue that tearing down these statues may not end racism but that it is better that the government doesn't sponsor heros of the slave holding states

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Washington retired from the presidency in March 1797 and returned to Mount Vernon with a profound sense of relief. He devoted much time to his plantations and other business interests, including his distillery, which produced its first batch of spirits in February 1797. Chernow 2010 explains that his plantation operations were only minimally profitable. The lands out west yielded little income because they were under attack by Indians, and the squatters living there refused to pay him rent. Washington attempted to sell off these holdings but failed to obtain the price that he desired. Meanwhile, he was losing money at Mount Vernon due to a glut of unproductive slaves, which he declined to sell due to a desire to keep families intact, and due to questions as to whether the slaves rightfully belonged to him or to Martha.

Most Americans assumed that he was rich because of the well-known "glorified façade of wealth and grandeur" at Mount Vernon,nearly all his wealth was tied up in land or slaves. Historians estimate that his estate was worth about $1 million in 1799 dollars, equivalent to about $19.9 million in 2014 purchasing power.


http://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/

Mount Vernon website

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Washington took control of the Mount Vernon property in 1754, the population of Fairfax County was around 6,500 people, of whom a little more than 1,800 or about 28% were slaves of African origin. The proportion of slaves in the population as a whole rose throughout the century; by the end of the American Revolution, over 40% of the people living in Fairfax County were slaves.


Sources offer differing insight into Washington's behavior as a slave owner. On one end of the spectrum, Richard Parkinson, an Englishman who lived near Mount Vernon, once reported that "it was the sense of all his [Washington's] neighbors that he treated [his slaves] with more severity than any other man." Conversely, a foreign visitor traveling in America once recorded that George Washington dealt with the people he enslaved "far more humanely than do his fellow citizens of Virginia." What is clear is that Washington frequently utilized harsh punishment against the enslaved population, including whippings and the threat of particularly taxing work assignments. Perhaps most severely, Washington could sell a slave to a buyer in the West Indies, ensuring that the person would never see their family or friends at Mount Vernon again. Washington conducted such sales on several occasions.


At the time of George Washington’s death, the Mount Vernon estate’s enslaved population consisted of 317 people. Washington himself had been a slave owner for fifty-six years, beginning at eleven years of age when he inherited ten slaves from his deceased father. Washington’s thoughts on slavery were contradictory and changed over time. This evolution culminated near the end of his life; Washington’s will mandated the freeing of his slaves upon his wife’s death, making him the only slaveholding Founder to put provisions for manumission in his will.

Further, the enslaved population at Mount Vernon had contact with at least three other Christian denominations: Baptists, Methodists, and Quakers. There were also several remnants of religious traditions from Africa continuing to some degree at Mount Vernon, including both Vodoun and Islam.


In accordance with state law, George Washington stipulated in his will that elderly enslaved people or those who were too sick to work were to be supported by his estate in perpetuity. The remaining non-dower enslaved at Mount Vernon did not have to wait for Martha Washington’s death to receive their freedom. Writing on the subject to her sister, Abigail Adams explained that Martha Washington’s motives were largely driven by self-interest. “In the state in which they were left by the General, to be free at her death,” Adams explained, “she did not feel as tho her Life was safe in their Hands, many of whom would be told that it was [in] their interest to get rid of her–She therefore was advised to set them all free at the close of the year.” In December 1800, Martha Washington signed a deed of manumission for her deceased husband's slaves, a transaction that is recorded in the Fairfax County, Virginia, Court Records. They would finally be emancipated on January 1, 1801.



There are several hundred confederate monuments. The map at top only shows some of them.

The two statues in Charlottesville haven't even come down yet but the map shows 14 that have come down.

Now the far right wing has popped up in larger numbers and are saying wait a minute, you are erasing our history.
But many of these statues went up in the 1900s and are actually war propaganda for the slave states but many made long after the war ended


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However Washington and Jefferson were slave holders and you don't .need heroic monuments to learn the history


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"..alright fine Thomas Jefferson was the president of the country one of the fathers of the country, George Washington was. Both were slave holders, that was what was going on then but Robert E Lee wouldn't even be mentioned if he was not the general of a confederate army fighting to enslave us and leading a seditious rebellion against the United States government. How do you justify using public money for that? Stonewall Jackson the same thing. Their only relationship was that they were fighting to uphold slavery and overthrow the government. So you cant't even put them in the same category with Washington and Jefferson. "

Rev. Al Sharpton Discusses The Minister March On Washington, Removing Confederate Memorials & More
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Yet Washington and Jefferson were slave holders.

So some people will keep bringing this up and it's true


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Originally posted by Doug M:

So how does tearing down a statue end racism in America? And once you start where do you stop?

So how do you end racism in America?
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The above is simple hilarious and simplistic thinking. There are more implications. And I have posted about this.
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So how do you end racism in America?
. That's not the right question.

The first question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians and Jews in terms educational attainment and become as economically independent and wealthy as those 2 groups?

The second question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians in terms of incarceration rates and relations to the police?

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
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So how do you end racism in America?
. That's not the right question.

The first question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians and Jews in terms educational attainment and become as economically independent and wealthy as those 2 groups?

The second question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians in terms of incarceration rates and relations to the police?

I suggest you'll read this article:


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Hilger recently used old census records to trace the fortunes of whites, blacks and Asians who were born in California during the early- to mid-20th century. He found that educational gains had little to do with how Asian Americans managed to close the wage gap with whites by the 1970s.

Instead, his research suggests that society simply became less racist toward Asians.

[…]

Hilger’s research focuses on native-born whites, blacks and Asians to rule out the effects of subsequent immigration. In 1965, changing laws ushered in a surge of high-skilled, high-earning Asian workers, who now account for most of the Asians living in the United States today.

But even before the arrival of those highly educated immigrants, the Asians already living in the United States had more or less closed the wage gap with whites.

At the time of the 1940 census, Hilger found, California-born Asian men earned less than California-born black men. By the 1970 census, they were earning about the same as white men, and by the 1980 census, the native-born Asian men were out-earning white men.

[…]

“Asians used to be paid like blacks,” Hilger said. “But between 1940 and 1970, they started to get paid like whites.” The charts below shows average earnings for native-born black, white and Asian depending on how much education they had.

[…]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/19/the-real-secret-to-asian-american-success-was-not-education/?utm_term=.ff4935442100
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
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So how do you end racism in America?
. That's not the right question.

The first question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians and Jews in terms educational attainment and become as economically independent and wealthy as those 2 groups?

The second question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians in terms of incarceration rates and relations to the police?

Why many post WWII immigrant groups and thereafter do better than African Americans. Is explained in the following writing by Jude Jacques PD, in particular on page 51, 52 and 53 where the author reflects on the hair industry and economy.


The Fundamental Fair Pact: Government Reforms 101

https://books.google.com/books/about/THE_FUNDAMENTAL_FAIR_PACT.html?id=PKUj4ann37kC

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Hilger’s research focuses on native-born whites, blacks and Asians to rule out the effects of subsequent immigration. In 1965, changing laws ushered in a surge of high-skilled, high-earning Asian workers, who now account for most of the Asians living in the United States today.

But even before the arrival of those highly educated immigrants, the Asians already living in the United States had more or less closed the wage gap with whites.

The Chinese first came to the U.S. to help build the railways. They later founded various Chinatowns with their ubiquitous restaurants. They apparently figured out that hitting the books in difficult subjects would afford advantages over the rest of the population.

Google Jonathan Farley and Sylvester Gates. They have followed the Chinese path and they succeeded. Same for Floyd Mayweather using another route. He earned $100 million last year. Despite accusations of domestic violence, he's virtually untouchable.

Looks like sociological culture and personal orientation are important variables in the mix too--apart from race.

There are now some 50 million blacks in the U.S. If only 5% contribute to a fund with annual contributions of $10,000 that would yield billion to invest in banks, real estate, etc. That's the way to go, but it is ignored.

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quote:
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So how do you end racism in America?
. That's not the right question.

The first question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians and Jews in terms educational attainment and become as economically independent and wealthy as those 2 groups?

The second question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians in terms of incarceration rates and relations to the police?

Good point. The issue is that ALL of America was racist towards blacks both before the Civil War and after. The South was beating the North badly which is why they were able to sack Washington and were all the way in Pennsylvania (Gettysburg, etc). It was the blacks in the North and South that saved the North's bacon. But recall that when blacks were first drafted there were massive riots in New York by Irish and other European immigrants....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAWu2cPAsjo

And even after the war there was open racism towards blacks in the Northern states all legalized under Jim Crow laws. Meaning there were openly racist mayors, councilmen, police commissioners, fire commissioners, governors, supreme court justices University Presidents and so forth. Many Northern Universities profited from slavery and many Northern Universities were openly racist right up to the 70s if not later.


quote:

Stirred by the fallout from the deadly Charlottesville protest, Bryn Mawr College this week took steps to distance itself from M. Carey Thomas, a leading suffragist and perhaps the school’s most influential president, citing her racist and anti-Semitic views.

The college will no longer refer in printed materials or on its website to its main gathering space as Thomas Great Hall or the building that houses it as Thomas Library, president Kim Cassidy said in a letter to the campus community.

“While Thomas had a profound impact on opportunities for women in higher education, on the academic development and identity of Bryn Mawr, and on the physical plan of the campus, she also openly and vigorously advanced racism and anti-Semitism as part of her vision of the college,” Cassidy said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/bryn-mawr-confronts-racist-views-of-former-leader-20170824.html

So again, are we going to tear down and replace ALL of the statues and monuments to racists NORTH and SOUTH and how does this end racism?

Every Northern city with an incoming flow of blacks during the Great Migration had a racist reaction.
http://northerncity.library.temple.edu/exhibits/show/civil-rights-in-a-northern-cit/historical-perspective/why-philadelphia-

And of course Redlining and laws related to housing segregation partly had their start in Baltimore:

quote:

“Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidence of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority”

— J. Barry Mahool, 1910 Mayor of Baltimore, while explaining a municipal segregation law.

https://stanfordreview.org/baltimores-legacy-of-racial-discrimination-b61a26128528

Desegregation Pennsyllvania Schools:
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/portal/communities/pa-heritage/desegregation-pennsylvania-schools.html

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Although the 1881 law legally ended segregation in Pennsylvania’s schools, it was largely ignored. As passions during the post-Civil War era cooled, local governments found ways to circumvent or ignore state and federal laws, including the Fourteenth Amendment. In 1887, the state legislature eventually passed an equal rights bill that prohibited segregation in public accommodations, but like the 1881 legislation, it was generally disregarded. It took nearly a century, until the 1970s, to desegregate schools in Pennsylvania, but discrimination in some areas continues to this day.


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quote:
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Hilger’s research focuses on native-born whites, blacks and Asians to rule out the effects of subsequent immigration. In 1965, changing laws ushered in a surge of high-skilled, high-earning Asian workers, who now account for most of the Asians living in the United States today.

But even before the arrival of those highly educated immigrants, the Asians already living in the United States had more or less closed the wage gap with whites.

The Chinese first came to the U.S. to help build the railways. They later founded various Chinatowns with their ubiquitous restaurants. They apparently figured out that hitting the books in difficult subjects would afford advantages over the rest of the population.

Google Jonathan Farley and Sylvester Gates. They have followed the Chinese path and they succeeded. Same for Floyd Mayweather using another route. He earned $100 million last year. Despite accusations of domestic violence, he's virtually untouchable.

Looks like sociological culture and personal orientation are important variables in the mix too--apart from race.

There are now some 50 million blacks in the U.S. If only 5% contribute to a fund with annual contributions of $10,000 that would yield billion to invest in banks, real estate, etc. That's the way to go, but it is ignored.

Not really.
Ish Gebor has shown the evidence that white racism holds Afro-Americans (AAs) back, not the ability to accumulate wealth.


Asians learned early that in the medical field you can always find employment. Due to the limited "wealth" of AAs, they have only been able to break-in the medical field as nurse aides.

We are the indigenous Americans. Whites will never allow Afro-Americans to own and control anything, because whites feel,that on an equal playing field they can not compete with us.

Black Native Americans introduced the Three Sisters, agricultural tradition to the Europeans. The Three Sisters are the three main agricultural crops of various Black Native American farmers that formerly lived on the Eastern Seaboard .
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Beginning with learning about agriculture from the Indigenous Black Americans, whites have always used our knowledge for their success they have never felt it was in their best interest to put us on reservations because they need our ideas to make their industry and dreams come true.


Whites feel that putting mongoloid Indians on reservations does not affect them, because mongoloid Indians were nomads, and whites could not use them and their culture to make money.

America is dying today because of the loss of the "ugly". America was a success because they could always fall back on a knowledgeable Black who had the expertise to think of innovative ways for whites to make money. This 'Black' was the ugly who gave whites ideas on how to remain on top.

Today whites believe the hype that immigrants really built America and fail to employ that Black in the background who gave them the ideas to make money because they believe other folks have the knowledge .

Inventions discoveries influenced and made by Afro-Americans
  • 3) World Wide Web
    10) Cell Phones
    11) Internet
    25) Abacus
    41) Cell Theory
    42) Smallpox Vaccine
    45) Cells
    74) Electricity
    78) Hubble Telescope

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If not for Afro-Americans you would not even have the basics like the telephone and electric trains.

Granted Europeans invented the Telephone and electric trains, but it took a Black man Granville Woods to make them work.
  • Granville T Woods
    • #299,894, 6/3/1884, Steam boiler furnace
    • #308,817, 12/2/1884, Telephone transmitter
    • #315,368, 4/7/1885, Apparatus for transmissions of messages by electricity
    • #364,619, 6/7/1887, Relay instrument
    • #366,192, 7/5/1887, Polarized relay
    • #368,265, 8/16/1887, Electromechanical brake
    • #371,241, 10/11/1887, Telephone system and apparatus
    • #371,655, 10/18/1887, Electromagnetic brake apparatus
    • #373,383, 11/5/1887, Railway telegraphy
    • #373,915, 11/29/1887, Induction telegraph system
    • #383,844, 5/29/1888, Overhead conducting system for electric railways
    • #385,034, 6/26/1888, Electromotive railway
    • #386,282, 7/17/1888, Tunnel construction for electric railways
    • #387,839, 8/14/1888, Galvanic battery
    • #388,803, 8/28/1888, Railway telegraphy
    • #395,533, 1/1/1889, Automatic safety cut-out for electric circuits
    • #463,020, 11/10/1891, Electric railway system
    • #507,606, 10/31/1893, Electric railwaysupply system
    • #639,692, 12/19/1899, Amusement apparatus
    • #656,760, 8/28/1900, Incubator
    • #662,049, 11/20/1900, Automatic circuit-breaking apparatus
    • #681,768, 9/3/1901, Regulating and controlling electrical translating devices
    • #690,809, 1/7/1902, Apparatus for controlling electric motors or other electrical translating devices
    • #695,988, 3/25/1902, Electric railway
    • #701,981, 6/10/1902, Automatic air brake
    • #718,183, 1/13/1903, Electric railway system
    • #762,792, 6/14/1904, Electric-railway apparatus



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Thomas Edition had an idea for the lightbulb, but it was Lewis T. Lattimore who made it work.

Narmerthoth noted that in relation to Otis Boykin:

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Originally posted by Narmerthoth:


One of the most pervasive inventions of modern history on which virtually ALL electrical/electronics is dependent is an invention by black inventor; OTIS BOYKIN.
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Mr. Boykin is the inventor of the RESISTOR, a basic electrical component which can be found used in electrical equipment like Microwave ovens, clocks, computers, radios, TVs.
None of these products would be able to work without the use of Otis Boykin's resistor.

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Few inventors have had the lasting impact of Otis Boykin. Look around the house today and you'll see a variety of devices that utilize components made by Boykin – including computers, radios and TV sets. Boykin's inventions are all the more impressive when one considers he was an African American in a time of segregation and the field of electronics was not as well-established as it is today.

Though he attended the Illinois Institute of Technology for a time, Otis Boykin never made it to graduation because he couldn't afford tuition. Instead, Boykin went to work as an inventor. He received his first patent in 1959 for a wire resistor that allowed a precise amount of electricity to flow to a component. Two year later, he created an even better resistor that could be manufactured inexpensively and withstand extreme temperature changes and shock. A low-cost product that was more reliable, the invention brought Otis Boykin to the forefront of American electronics.

Consumer electronics manufacturers, the United States military and IBM all placed orders for the resistor. It would come to be used in household appliances, computers and guided missiles – and is still used in many of those devices to this very day. But, perhaps most importantly, a version of his resistor was used in the invention of the pacemaker. That device, which keeps the heart beating regularly through electronic pulses, has helped to extend the lives of hundreds of thousands of individuals.

And Otis Boykin's accomplishments didn't stop there. He continued to invent throughout the duration of his life (which ended in 1982), working as a consultant for firms in America and Europe. All in all, he earned 11 patents and invented 28 different electronic devices.

To observe how important and pervasive Mr. Boykin's resistor is used throughout all electronics, even the simple LED circuit below must use two resistors to work.

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A modern computer will literally use millions or perhaps billions of resistors.

Why the basic resistor isn't mentioned in Nat'l Geo's list is telling since none of the listed electrical/electronics mentioned would be possible without the resistor.


America is in decline because whites don't have an 'ugly' in the backroom, to give them ideas, and now progress has stopped in America, and thusly around the world. Yea, Eurasians are making "advances" in science and technology but their progress is in areas where Blacks laid the foundation. The lack of innovation is limiting progress.


The only reason Afro-Americans have anything is through the grace and mercy of God. White Americans when left to their racism will starve to death and live in absolute poverty as long as they can keep AAs down.

Blacks putting their money together to make progress in the AA community will never work because whites do not want AAs to be independent.

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quote:
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The Chinese first came to the U.S. to help build the railways. They later founded various Chinatowns with their ubiquitous restaurants. They apparently figured out that hitting the books in difficult subjects would afford advantages over the rest of the population.

I wonder whether you actually read the article? Because it actually does touch that part of the subject.

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Asian Americans have been part of the United States for most of its history. The first major wave of immigrants came in the 1800s, when Chinese laborers flocked to California to help build railroads. Their presence soon stirred up resentments among white Americans. The Chinese Massacre of 1871, which took place in the streets of Los Angeles, counts among the largest lynchings in U.S. history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/19/the-real-secret-to-asian-american-success-was-not-education/?utm_term=.ff4935442100

quote:
Originally posted by lamin:

There are now some 50 million blacks in the U.S. If only 5% contribute to a fund with annual contributions of $10,000 that would yield billion to invest in banks, real estate, etc. That's the way to go, but it is ignored.

I heard it recently.

I wonder, is this based on stats which calculate black immigrants into the total of black America, or are black immigrants excluded?


quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Google Jonathan Farley and Sylvester Gates. They have followed the Chinese path and they succeeded. Same for Floyd Mayweather using another route. He earned $100 million last year. Despite accusations of domestic violence, he's virtually untouchable.

Sounds interesting. I will look it up. Thanks.
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And even after the war there was open racism towards blacks in the Northern states all legalized under Jim Crow laws. Meaning there were openly racist mayors, councilmen, police commissioners, fire commissioners, governors, supreme court justices University Presidents and so forth.

After seeing Rachel Maddow's summary "Racism Is 'A Persistent Infection' In White American Culture", I understand that these were KKK members or KKK affiliated individuals, but very powerful.

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:

“Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidence of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority”

— J. Barry Mahool, 1910 Mayor of Baltimore, while explaining a municipal segregation law.

https://stanfordreview.org/baltimores-legacy-of-racial-discrimination-b61a26128528
It is certainly interesting to review this history. Their "racial segregation", Redlining was planned ahead years before the actual Act.


quote:
The Ugly, Fascinating History Of The Word 'Racism'


The Oxford English Dictionary's first recorded utterance of the word racism was by a man named Richard Henry Pratt in 1902. Pratt was railing against the evils of racial segregation.


Segregating any class or race of people apart from the rest of the people kills the progress of the segregated people or makes their growth very slow. Association of races and classes is necessary to destroy racism and classism.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/05/260006815/the-ugly-fascinating-history-of-the-word-racism
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Ish Gebor has shown the evidence that white racism holds Afro-Americans (AAs) back, not the ability to accumulate wealth.


So how do you end racism?
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


Blacks putting their money together to make progress in the AA community will never work because whites do not want AAs to be independent.

So true.
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Ish Gebor has shown the evidence that white racism holds Afro-Americans (AAs) back, not the ability to accumulate wealth.


So how do you end racism?
You can start by not acting like a black person online, that is a beginning.
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


Blacks putting their money together to make progress in the AA community will never work because whites do not want AAs to be independent.

So what's the solution?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


Blacks putting their money together to make progress in the AA community will never work because whites do not want AAs to be independent.

So what's the solution?
There are actual symposiums where prominent people speak on these issues. You should attend them.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
And even after the war there was open racism towards blacks in the Northern states all legalized under Jim Crow laws. Meaning there were openly racist mayors, councilmen, police commissioners, fire commissioners, governors, supreme court justices University Presidents and so forth.

After seeing Rachel Maddow's summary "Racism Is 'A Persistent Infection' In White American Culture", I understand that these were KKK members or KKK affiliated individuals, but very powerful.

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:

“Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidence of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority”

— J. Barry Mahool, 1910 Mayor of Baltimore, while explaining a municipal segregation law.

https://stanfordreview.org/baltimores-legacy-of-racial-discrimination-b61a26128528
It is certainly interesting to review this history. Their "racial segregation", Redlining was planned ahead years before the actual Act.


quote:
The Ugly, Fascinating History Of The Word 'Racism'


The Oxford English Dictionary's first recorded utterance of the word racism was by a man named Richard Henry Pratt in 1902. Pratt was railing against the evils of racial segregation.


Segregating any class or race of people apart from the rest of the people kills the progress of the segregated people or makes their growth very slow. Association of races and classes is necessary to destroy racism and classism.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/05/260006815/the-ugly-fascinating-history-of-the-word-racism

To my mind this has nothing to do with the KKK, confederates vs the Union or anything else. It is basically the fundamental founding principle of the colonial slave industrial complex which is what started in 1492. Racism is a fundamental core feature of all European colonial societies created over the last 500 years. Therefore, to try and break it up into pieces and call it KKK here or Confederates there and Apartheid here vs Jim Crow there is missing the fundamental point. White supremacy is a core founding principle on which all these societies and cultures since 1492 were built. Having things broken up and taken out of context only makes it easier for white society as a whole to duck responsibility for the whole system of white supremacy around the world. It is all one big mind game of trying to hide the obvious complicity across the board across all levels of white society in all areas geographically. Focusing on Confederate statues is just part of this mind game. As if other parts of the country were less racist when they werent.

For example: almost every state in the country was founded on the principle of free land and resources for white people but segregation and limited rights or immigration for blacks.

For example Oregon:
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Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America’s postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: “White Trade Only — Please.”

It’s the kind of scene from the 1950s that’s so hard for many Americans to imagine happening outside of the Jim Crow South. How could a progressive, northern city like Portland have allowed a restaurant to exclude non-white patrons? This had to be an anomaly, right? In reality it was far too common in Oregon, a state that was explicitly founded as a kind of white utopia.

America’s history of racial discrimination is most commonly taught as a southern issue. That’s certainly how I learned about it while going to Minnesota public schools in the 1980s and 90s. White people outside of the South seem to learn about the Civil War and civil rights movements from an incredibly safe (and often judgmental) distance.

http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

But similar histories are found all over the country, not just the the South.

So if you are going to tear down the "rebel flag" because it represents racism then you should also tear down the American flag because not only did it represent racism and injustice against blacks BEFORE the civil war, it also represented it after.

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Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) was a Confederate general during the Civil War (1861-65). Despite having no formal military training, Forrest rose from the rank of private to lieutenant general, serving as a cavalry officer at numerous engagements including the Battles of Shiloh, Chickamauga, Brice’s Crossroads and Second Franklin. Known for his maxim “get there first with the most men,” Forrest was relentless in harassing Union forces during the Vicksburg Campaign in 1862 and 1863, and conducted successful raiding operations on federal supplies and communication lines throughout the war. In addition to his ingenious cavalry tactics, Forrest is also remembered for his controversial involvement in the Battle of Fort Pillow in April 1864, when his troops massacred black soldiers following a Union surrender. After the Civil War Forrest worked as a planter and railroad president, and served as the first grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. He died in 1877 at the age of 56.
http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/nathan-bedford-forrest
Ever heard of the Knights of The Golden Circle?
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George W. L. Bickley, an Indiana-born doctor, editor, and "adventurer" who lived in Cincinnati, founded the association.[2] Records of the KGC convention held in 1860 state that the organization "originated at Lexington, Kentucky, on the fourth day of July 1854, by five gentlemen who came together on a call made by Gen. George Bickley".[3] He organized the first castle, or local branch, in Cincinnati in 1854. Hounded by creditors, he left Cincinnati in the late 1850s and traveled through the East and South, promoting an expedition to Mexico. The group's original goal was to provide a force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and the West Indies. This would extend pro-slavery interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

Not to mention almost every white secret/nonsecret fraternal society in America has racist roots. This is why blacks couldn't join them originally. All of them are founded on the principle of the original European crusade that was initiated by Papal Bull Dum Diversas and Papal Bull Pontifex:
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Dum Diversas (English: Until different) is a papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V. It authorized Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude".[1][2] Pope Calixtus III reiterated the bull in 1456 with Inter Caetera (not to be confused with Alexander VI's), renewed by Pope Sixtus IV in 1481 and Pope Leo X in 1514 with Precelse denotionis. The concept of the consignment of exclusive spheres of influence to certain nation states was extended to the Americas in 1493 by Pope Alexander VI with Inter caetera.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas

In effect this turned all Christians, even those not part of any royal lineage or order to be part of the 'crusading knights' of Christ. The Knightly Crusading orders are therefore the foundation template for all secret societies in America, which is why all of them feature shields, crests and other military symbols and many often dress up as knights at various functions. And therefore, the black man has always symbolized the ultimate evil going back the symbolic 'black demon' in Spain or "The Dragon" slayed by King George, which also symbolizes mans lower nature being subdued by the higher nature. But in white supremacy black people become symbolized as the living manifestation of lower intelligence, lower nature and lower spheres of existence which must be slain by those seeking the "light" of progress and prosperity. Which is ultimately what you see manifest in most racist doctrines around the world. Even though all of this is based on ancient concepts that originated with black people.... like Horus/Set etc.

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So how do you end racism in America?
. That's not the right question.

The first question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians and Jews in terms educational attainment and become as economically independent and wealthy as those 2 groups?

The second question is how could blacks gain parity with Asians in terms of incarceration rates and relations to the police?

As far as Asians go, we need to stop lumping them in with our struggle. Asians are benefiting from all the fighting and dying that black folks did in the 50s and 60s when Asians couldn't come here. So most Asians who are in America today have never faced any racism. They came from intact communities with their own culture and language which they are allowed to maintain in America as opposed to Africans being stripped of their language and culture. They come from among the best and brightest elements within their respective communities and are not the poor and uneducated masses that you see all over places like India and China. They were educated primarily in Asian primary and high schools before coming to America for college and therefore weren't affected by any form of education discrimination. And more importantly these people aren't here to fight racism and especially not to fight racism against black folks. They are being allowed into the country to be a buffer against blacks and to be used as a brain drain to help America and the West continue to dominate Asia economically and socially. So even though it is blacks that fought, struggled and sacrificed for America to change and make it possible to come here, the first thing they do is to spit in black folks faces and kick them in the face as a sign of appreciation.... (See black folks keeping Asians from getting into college, affirmative action is racist as an example).

This same pattern of Colonists and racists using Asians as the "preferred" minority group to be a buffer against blacks is seen all over the world. They used Indians the Caribbean and Africa the same way. Indians own more resources and wealth in Africa than Africans do. Yet how much of the wealth and resources of India do Africans own? And how are Africans treated in India and China?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egcMs-SStc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfzH4XTU1T0
(Why on earth do Africans have to depend on India and China when those folks got everything they know from the West in the first place? Why cant Africans get the knowledge and training from the west and build their own infrastructure? Kind of silly isn't it in this age of "global trade and migration"?)

European colonies are all about taking and stealing all the resources and land necessary (the entire planet) in order to elevate the standard of living and intellect of a certain group of people over all others. And it just goes to show that given the right resources and environment any population can succeed and do great things. However, as racism goes, they will OUTRIGHT deny these same resources and benefits to black folks to keep them from ever being able to challenge whites in their superior position. So that is the issue you should focus on. Because they are just using Asians as flunkies to do their dirty work for them just like poor European peasants were all to happy to get a better life in the "new world" while looking the other way at genocide and slavery.

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Nice post Doug White people allied themselves with Asian Chinese and Indians to keep Black people at the bottom of the economic pyramid. In Wall Street Chinese and Indians are used in the top investment banking jobs after the Whites and at the bottom are the Black investment bankers. In Silicon Valley the center of the world computer, information and high tech technology the majority of the professionals and scientists are White people and after the White most of the professionals and scientists there are Indians and Chinese. Black professionals and scientist doesnt have a great presence in Silicon Valley.

Lamin the royalty, priesthood and their secret societies who plan the colonization of North America and the creation of the USA, plan the USA to be a country dominated by White people and the Black people to be at the bottom of the pyramid. Racism, the genocide of the Brown and Black Native Americans, the African Slave Trade, segregation,the dumping of drugs in Black Neighborhood, poverty and unemployment in the Black community are not accidents, they were plan that way. I remember the Senegalese singer Akon saying that the USA was created as a White country. The White supremacists were yelling in Charlottesville "Jew will not replace us" but guest what African Americans have been replaced by the USA government as the number two racial group in the USA by allowing light skin Latin American immigrants to flood the USA. Today Latin Americans are the number two ethnic or racial group in the USA. The Latino immigrants are giving the same right as African Americans and are competing against African Americans for middle class jobs. I think Black in the diaspora should connect with their brothers in Africa to do business. They cannot replace African people with immigrants.

Black people in the USA are given the illusion of wealth. Black people are allowed to become millionaires and billionaires in their professions and in the entertainment industry but they are not allowed to own big businesses and big corporations. When a rich Black American want to create or buy a big business or a big corporation White power system start a secret conspiracy against them to stop them.

I saw a video in Youtube that states the Black athletes that are paid tens of millions of dollars dont control their money. They can only spend their money by using a black credit card. If they try to withdraw $1 million cash from the bank they can be arrested by the police and even be kill. Black athletes and entertainers are corporate products, they cannot support any politicians or cause without the approval of their managers. Rapper Black Youngsta was arrested in Atlanta by the police for trying to withdraw $200,000 cash from his account in the bank. the African American elite are very smart, they are capable of creating many Fortune 500 corporations but they are given a limit by the secret White power. Sometime small Black business owner are strangely killed by Black arm robber thugs who are probably agents. Remenber how Black Wall Street a neighborhood of Black business was destroyed in Tulsa Oklahoma by the White mob and the USA government.

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Donald Trump says: "where does it stop"?


Donald is actually subconsciously admitting that American history is miserable and that there is something very wrong with America past.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
To my mind this has nothing to do with the KKK, confederates vs the Union or anything else. It is basically the fundamental founding principle of the colonial slave industrial complex which is what started in 1492. Racism is a fundamental core feature of all European colonial societies created over the last 500 years. Therefore, to try and break it up into pieces and call it KKK here or Confederates there and Apartheid here vs Jim Crow there is missing the fundamental point. White supremacy is a core founding principle on which all these societies and cultures since 1492 were built. Having things broken up and taken out of context only makes it easier for white society as a whole to duck responsibility for the whole system of white supremacy around the world. It is all one big mind game of trying to hide the obvious complicity across the board across all levels of white society in all areas geographically. Focusing on Confederate statues is just part of this mind game. As if other parts of the country were less racist when they werent.

For example: almost every state in the country was founded on the principle of free land and resources for white people but segregation and limited rights or immigration for blacks.


So if you are going to tear down the "rebel flag" because it represents racism then you should also tear down the American flag

Why bother complaining about what you cannot change?

Further, anybody who pays taxes in America is a participant in white supremacy, a citizen of the empire

Now watch Ish Gebor step in an try to save Doug.

Doug has no solutions, he just cries endlessly.
He is going to die an old man in America having changed nothing but having complained the whole time

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:

To my mind this has nothing to do with the KKK, confederates vs the Union or anything else. It is basically the fundamental founding principle of the colonial slave industrial complex which is what started in 1492. Racism is a fundamental core feature of all European colonial societies created over the last 500 years. Therefore, to try and break it up into pieces and call it KKK here or Confederates there and Apartheid here vs Jim Crow there is missing the fundamental point. White supremacy is a core founding principle on which all these societies and cultures since 1492 were built. Having things broken up and taken out of context only makes it easier for white society as a whole to duck responsibility for the whole system of white supremacy around the world. It is all one big mind game of trying to hide the obvious complicity across the board across all levels of white society in all areas geographically. Focusing on Confederate statues is just part of this mind game. As if other parts of the country were less racist when they werent.


The KKK eventually became a structure of the racist ideology that already existed. That is what I am saying. It's not like every white individual thinks like this. But these folks had power and influence, which formed society.
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
To my mind this has nothing to do with the KKK, confederates vs the Union or anything else. It is basically the fundamental founding principle of the colonial slave industrial complex which is what started in 1492. Racism is a fundamental core feature of all European colonial societies created over the last 500 years. Therefore, to try and break it up into pieces and call it KKK here or Confederates there and Apartheid here vs Jim Crow there is missing the fundamental point. White supremacy is a core founding principle on which all these societies and cultures since 1492 were built. Having things broken up and taken out of context only makes it easier for white society as a whole to duck responsibility for the whole system of white supremacy around the world. It is all one big mind game of trying to hide the obvious complicity across the board across all levels of white society in all areas geographically. Focusing on Confederate statues is just part of this mind game. As if other parts of the country were less racist when they werent.

For example: almost every state in the country was founded on the principle of free land and resources for white people but segregation and limited rights or immigration for blacks.


So if you are going to tear down the "rebel flag" because it represents racism then you should also tear down the American flag

Why bother complaining about what you cannot change?

Further, anybody who pays taxes in America is a participant in white supremacy, a citizen of the empire

Now watch Ish Gebor step in an try to save Doug.

Doug has no solutions, he just cries endlessly.
He is going to die an old man in America having changed nothing but having complained the whole time

LOL Another B.S. post by the lioness!!!
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Doug says:
For example: almost every state in the country was founded on the principle of free land and
resources for white people but segregation and limited rights or immigration for blacks. For example Oregon:


True enough.


Dum Diversas (English: Until different) is a papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas
V. It authorized Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude".


Also true. The Muslims have their own version of perpetual submission of non-Muslims- Dhimmitude..
http://www.dhimmitude.org/
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Atheists too have their own version. Atheist communist regimes for example require
subordination of all societal elements to the party. Those who disagree- have usually
ended up imprisoned or dead, as under the "new era" regime of Cambodia's Pol Pot.
Only atheists could be members of the Party, a requirement found in today's China as well.

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Doug says
As far as Asians go, we need to stop lumping them in with our struggle. Asians are benefiting from all
the fighting and dying that black folks did in the 50s and 60s when Asians couldn't come here. So most
Asians who are in America today have never faced any racism.


A bit misleading. Though not to the same extent as blacks, Asians have been around in the US
quite a while and faced discrimination, the Chinese for example who were often massacred
and driven out in te 1880s- so that the saying arose: "Not a Chinaman's chance"..
Then there is the case of the Japanese internees.. plenty of racism there. YOur point
seems to apply more to RECENT Asian arrivals.. You fail to account for hundreds of thousands
already IN PLACE before that who also kept on increasing via natural population growth.

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And more importantly these people aren't here to fight racism and especially not to fight racism against
black folks. They are being allowed into the country to be a buffer against blacks and to be used as a brain
drain to help America and the West continue to dominate Asia economically and socially.


Agan somewhat misleading. Asian immigration is not to help the West dominate Asia
economically and socially. How so? Give a concrete example of your claim.
If anything, that immigration is more helpful to Asians, as they get the opportunity
to tap into Western networks of advanced technoogy and knowledge that they then can
take to Asia and expand. Nothing wrong with this. The Japanese did this extensively
to modernize and hold their own against white competitors, in turn becoming strong
hegemons themselves in East Asia. By 1905 they were defeating European powers
on the high seas naval battles. By 1941 they had the best integrated carrier systems,
the best pilots, and in those initial years, the best carrier fighter plane, the famous
Mitsubishi Zero. The Chinese are now doing the exact same thing- getting as much advanced
knowledge as possible from the West, and growing stronger as a result. They of course
supplied the West with several key items of technology that enabled Western dominance
namely gunpowder, printing and the compass, back in the day.

And is brain drain necessarily "bad"? CHina has no shortage of people training to be engineers, scientists
etc, nor does India necessarily. In fact the Asians are using their internal education as an "export".
Juat as some nations export copper or rice, so their educational systems churn out graduates
for "export" to the West. Damn smart strategy.
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2015/01/30/the-surprising-secret-of-indias-success-could-be-its-brain-drain/
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So even though it is blacks that fought, struggled and sacrificed for America to change and make it possible to
come here, the first thing they do is to spit in black folks faces and kick them in the face as a sign of appreciation


This indeed may the the case with SOME. As Richard Pryor once said in one of his
routines, the first thing some fireigners learn when they come to America is how
to say "NIG&#%&r" 30 years later, some black folk are running around talkin bout
how if you add an "a" to the ending, rather than an "r" - its not all bad..

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Doug says
(See black folks keeping Asians from getting into college, affirmative action is racist as an example).

A fair point. What many don;t see is the white game. Assorted right wingers often
ask in anguished tones- how come white people are "giving away so much" to "the culluds"
like "Affirmative action?" What the gullible don't see, and the cynical propagandists are
careful not to say openly, is that:

(a) black "affirmative action" is tiny (2-3%) of students concentrated mostly
at the elite schools (Sanders 2014). They are trivial competition on the big scale.

(b) COllege Admission "point" systems allegedly "helping only" blacks are MORE helping whites, by
enabling them to bypass and squeeze ahead of Asians who may post better raw performance stats. HOw?
Many whites get into these elite colleges via preferential quotas for LEGACIES- rewards for
white alumni and so on. Broad based point systems are not "only" helping blacks. The real game, on tap
allows certain elite institutions to manipulate a variety of factors, such as "community service"
to help whites edge out the Asian competition- you know- via that prototypical "well rounded"
candidate. Translation: less "narrow" Asian worker drones on campus- and more white people.
A similar pattern operated to screen out Jews in years past.

(c) Blacks can be used as front-men and scapegoats for the above- taking the heat from assorted
bigots, bashers and baiters. In the meantime, behind the scenes, the admission structures are
manipulated to hinder or slow down the real competition for whites- Asians.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Ish Gebor has shown the evidence that white racism holds Afro-Americans (AAs) back, not the ability to accumulate wealth.


So how do you end racism?
You can start by not acting like a black person online, that is a beginning.
Racism can only end with an intervention by God.

This is why AAs are the most hated group on earth, but we still modestly prosper.

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Originally posted by lamin:
So how do you end racism in America?

It is not necessary to end all racism in America for black folk to advance.
Black folk have advanced IN SPITE OF, and IN THE TEETH OF the harshest
disadvantages and racism against any group. It is not necessary to
spend all black energy trying to turn white hearts into pure "love."
This is one of the issues Malcolm X and many others even in the civil
rights movement had with King. "Love" was not necessary- nice but not
necessary. What did the job mostly was pain- economic pain to white
pocketbooks, political pain to white elected officials, and so on.

While it is necessary to confront racism, it is questionable that black folk
have to spend endless hours fighting even the smallest manifestations
of racism, when there are so many MORE PRESSING PRIORITIES at hand- internal
discipline and order, education, skill acquisition, property acquisition.
In days to come Sharpton et al will lead marches here and there, spending
hundreds of thousands, with much press coverage and flowery speeches.

How will such "feel goodism" move the needle on 40% of black kids dropping out
of high school in some districts? Or thousands of black-on-black murders
every year? Or high out of wedlock rates? White fool says something stupid'
on Twitter? Tens of thousands send out "tweets" in "response." Conscious black
initiatives in education, crime control, entrepreneurship etc need equivalent
attention, relatively speaking? Crickets chirping..

As Elijah Muhammed, Malcolm etc repeatedly stressed- more time has to be put
into building internally. This is exactly what Asians are doing. How was
that badass integrated carrier system put together by the Japs? Hardcore internal
building, skill acquisition... hardass internal nation building. That's
where the PRIORITY should be at this stage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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AAs are the most hated group on earth,

That is a big guess and there's no way of knowing who the most hated group is
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quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:

To my mind this has nothing to do with the KKK, confederates vs the Union or anything else. It is basically the fundamental founding principle of the colonial slave industrial complex which is what started in 1492. Racism is a fundamental core feature of all European colonial societies created over the last 500 years. Therefore, to try and break it up into pieces and call it KKK here or Confederates there and Apartheid here vs Jim Crow there is missing the fundamental point. White supremacy is a core founding principle on which all these societies and cultures since 1492 were built. Having things broken up and taken out of context only makes it easier for white society as a whole to duck responsibility for the whole system of white supremacy around the world. It is all one big mind game of trying to hide the obvious complicity across the board across all levels of white society in all areas geographically. Focusing on Confederate statues is just part of this mind game. As if other parts of the country were less racist when they werent.


The KKK eventually became a structure of the racist ideology that already existed. That is what I am saying. It's not like every white individual thinks like this. But these folks had power and influence, which formed society.
All of American society and the institutions within it are affected by racism because the country was built from the ground up based on it. That is all I am saying. Racism is a core principle and ideology behind the whole colonial enterprise that expanded from Europe starting 500 years ago. The KKK is simply one aspect of it. Again, people should not isolate racism to one part or one group or one slice of American society because ALL of it is built on it. It is like saying only the Voortrekkers were racist in South Africa. But obviously the British and Dutch and every other institution built by them along with every social structure was similarly racist towards blacks. White supremacy is an all encompassing concept, you can't speak of it and talk of only one part of society because the concept is about complete dominance in all areas of human life.

Case in point, why do these look familiar:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voortrekkers

They all look similar to confederate monuments and flags don't they?

And here is a speech by Teddy Roosevelt, in which he openly and honestly lays out the views that most whites across ALL of America held and still hold right up to the present day. And these views are the same as those held IN EUROPE and around the world in all the many European colonies and territories. This is not a simple case of "the KKK" influence.

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There is one feature in the expansion of the peoples of white, or European, blood during the past four centuries which should never be lost sight of, especially by those who denounce such expansion on moral grounds. On the whole, the movement has been fraught with lasting benefit to most of the peoples already dwelling in the lands over which the expansion took place. Of course any such general statement as this must be understood with the necessary reservations. Human nature being what it is, no movement lasting for four centuries and extending in one shape or another over the major part of the world could go on without cruel injustices being done at certain places and in certain times. Occasionally, although not very frequently, a mild and kindly race has been treated with wanton, brutal, and ruthless inhumanity by the white intruders. Moreover, mere savages, whose type of life was so primitive as to be absolutely incompatible with the existence of civilization, inevitably died out from the regions across which their sparse bands occasionally flitted, when these regions became filled with a dense population; they died out when they were kindly treated as quickly as when they were badly treated, for the simple reason that they were so little advanced that the conditions of life necessary to their existence were incompatible with any form of higher and better existence. It is also true that, even where great good has been done to the already existing inhabitants, where they have thriven under the new rule, it has sometimes brought with it discontent from the very fact that it has brought with it a certain amount of well-being and a certain amount of knowledge, so that people have learned enough to feel discontented and have prospered enough to be able to show their discontent. Such ingratitude is natural, and must be reckoned with as such; but it is also both unwarranted and foolish, and the fact of its existence in any given case does not justify any change of attitude on our part.

On the whole, and speaking generally, one extraordinary fact of this expansion of the European races is that with it has gone an increase in population and well-being among the natives of the countries where the expansion has taken place. As a result of this expansion there now live outside of Europe over a hundred million of people wholly of European blood and many millions more partly of European blood; and as another result there are now on the whole more people, of native blood in the regions where these hundred million intruders dwell than there were when the intruders went thither. In America the Indians of the West Indies were well-nigh exterminated, wantonly and cruelly. The merely savage tribes, both in North and South America, who were very few in number, have much decreased or have vanished, and grave wrongs have often been committed against them as well as by them. But all of the Indians who had attained to an even low grade of industrial and social efficiency have remained in the land, and have for the most part simply been assimilated with the intruders, the assimilation marking on the whole a very considerable rise in their conditions. Taking into account the Indians of pure blood, and the mixed bloods in which the Indian element is large, it is undoubtedly true that the Indian population of America is larger today than it was when Columbus discovered the continent, and stands on a far higher plane of happiness and efficiency. In Australia the few savages tend to die out simply because their grade of culture is so low that nothing can be done with them; doubtless occasional brutalities have been committed by white settlers but these brutalities were not an appreciable factor in the dying out of th natives. In India and Java there has been a great increase in well-being and population under the English and the Dutch, and the advance made has been in striking contrast to what has occurred during the same period in the near-by lands which have remained under native rule. In Egypt, in the Philippines, in Algiers, the native people have thriven under the rule of the foreigner, advancing as under no circumstances could they possibly have advanced if left to themselves, the increase in population going hand in hand with the increase in general well-being. In the Soudan, Mahdism during the ten years of its unchecked control was responsible for the death of over half the population and meant physical and moral ruin, a fact which should be taken into account by the perverted pseudo-philanthropy which fails to recognize the enormous advantages conferred by the English occupation of the Soudan, if not on the English themselves, certainly on the natives and on humanity at large. In the same way the Russian advance into Turkestan has meant the real advance in the well-being of the people, as well as the spread of civilization. In Natal the English found an empty desert; because of the peace they established it has filled up so densely with natives as to create very serious and totally new problems. There have been very dark spots in the European conquest and control of Africa, but on the whole the African regions which during the past century have seen the greatest cruelty, degradation, and suffering, the greatest diminution of population, are those where native control has been unchecked. The advance has been made in the regions that have been under European control or influence; that have been profoundly influenced by European administrators, and by European and American missionaries. Of course the best that can happen to any people that has not already a high civilization of its own is to assimilate and profit by American or European ideas, the ideas of civilization and Christianity, without submitting to alien control; but such control, in spite of all its defects, is in a very large number of cases the prerequisite condition to the moral and material advance of the peoples who dwell in the darker corners of the earth. Where the control is exercised brutally; where it is made use of merely to exploit the natives, without regard to their physical or moral well-being; it should be unsparingly criticised, and there should be resolute insistence on amendment and reform. But we must not, because of occasional wrong-doing, blind ourselves to the fact that on the whole the white administrator and the Christian missionary have exercised a profound and wholesome influence for good in savage regions.

Let me illustrate what I mean by particularly alluding to three cases--Algiers, India, and the Philippines. The North African coast was a mere nest of pirates during the first decades of the nineteenth century. Punitive expeditions were sent against these pirates again and again, but they could not be permanently suppressed by such expeditions, and all the great commercial nations were forced to pay them a more or less thinly disguised tribute or blackmail. The United States was among that number. It was the French conquest of Algiers which put a final stop to this blackmail; and it also put a stop, to the unspeakable barbarism and cruelty inevitably attendant upon the slave-hunting piracy of the dwellers in the independent North African states. In other words, the independence of these states was a menace to every peaceful people, and incidentally it meant dreadful wrong and injustice within the states themselves. Algiers is far better off in every way under French rule than it was eighty years ago, before the French came into the land, and it is far better off in every way than is the neighboring state of Morocco at the present time; and this simply and solely because the neighboring state of Morocco continues to enjoy much the same kind of independent self-government that Algiers enjoyed until the French went there.

In India we encounter the most colossal example history affords of the successful administration by men of European blood of a thickly populated region. in another continent. It is the greatest feat of the kind that has been performed since the break-up of the Roman Empire. Indeed, it is a greater feat than was performed under the Roman Empire. Unquestionably mistakes have been made; it would indicate qualities literally superhuman if so gigantic a task had been accomplished without mistakes. It is easy enough to point out shortcomings; but the fact remains that the successful administration of the Indian Empire by the English has been one of the most notable and most admirable achievements of the white race during the past two centuries. On the whole it has been for the immeasurable benefit of the natives of India themselves. Suffering has been caused in particular cases and at particular times to these natives; much more often, I believe, by well-intentioned ignorance or bad judgment than by any moral obliquity. But on the whole there has been a far more resolute effort to do justice, a far more resolute effort to secure fair treatment for the humble and the oppressed during the days of English rule in India than during any other period of recorded Indian history. England does not draw a penny from India for English purposes; she spends for India the revenues raised in India; and they are spent for the benefit of the Indians themselves. Undoubtedly India is a less pleasant place than formerly for the heads of tyrannical states. There is now little or no room in it for successful freebooter chieftains, for the despots who lived in gorgeous splendor while under their cruel rule the immense mass of their countrymen festered in sodden misery. But the mass of the people have been and are far better off than ever before, and far better off than they would now be if English control were overthrown or withdrawn. Indeed, if English control were now withdrawn from India, the whole peninsula would become a chaos of bloodshed and violence; till the weaker peoples, and the most industrious and law-abiding, would be plundered. and forced to submit to indescribable wrong and oppression; and the only beneficiaries among the natives would be the lawless, violent, and bloodthirsty. I have no question that there are reforms to be advanced--this is merely another way of saying that the government has been human; I have also no question that there is being made and will be made a successful effort to accomplish these reforms. But the great salient fact is that the presence of the English in India, like the presence of the English in Egypt and the Soudan, of the French in Algiers, of the Russians in Turkestan, of the Germans in Southwest Africa and East Africa (and of all these peoples, and of other white peoples, in many other places), has been for the advantage of mankind. Every well-wisher of mankind, every true friend of humanity, should realize that the part England has played in India has been to the immeasurable advantage of India, and for the honor and profit of civilization, and should feel profound satisfaction in the stability and permanence of English rule. I have seen many American missionaries who have come from India, and I cannot overstate the terms of admiration in which they speak of the English rule in India, and of the incalculable benefits it has conferred and is conferring upon the natives.

Finally, take our own experience in the Philippines. Spain finally lost power to be of benefit to the islands; but do not forget that Spain accomplished very, very much for them during more than two centuries; and that the islands owe their present possibilities to the fact that the Spaniards took possession of them. Then we came in. I am sure that when international history is written, from the standpoint of acclaiming international justice, one chapter will tell with heartiest praise what our people have done in the Philippines. Exactly as, in the Caribbean Sea we have endeavored to give genuine and disinterested help to the independent peoples of Cuba and San Domingo, so, in the same spirit--though the task is of quite different character--we are endeavoring to educate and train the native races under our sovereignty in the Philippines. in our treatment of the Filipinos we have acted up to the highest standard that has yet been set as marking the proper way in which a powerful and advanced nation should treat a weaker people. Cuba we are at this moment leaving for the second time, to work out a destiny which we now hope and believe will be one of stable and orderly independence and prosperity. In the Philippines we are constantly giving an increasing measure of self-government. Of course, in one sense of the word self-government can never be bestowed by outsiders upon any people. It must be achieved by themselves. It means in this sense primarily self-control, self-restraint, and if those qualities do not exist--that is, if the people are unable to govern themselves--then, as there must be government somewhere, it has to come from outside. But we are constantly giving to the people of the Philippines an increasing share in, an increasing opportunity to learn by practice, the difficult art of self-government. If we had abandoned them at the outset to their own devices, if we had shirked our duty and sailed out of the islands, leaving them in a bloody welter of confusion, the chief sufferers would have been the Philippine people themselves. We are leading them forward steadily in the right direction and we are doing it because our people at home desire that they shall be treated right, and because our people in the islands, in the civil government, in the army, and among the missionary representatives of the various creeds work primarily for the advancement of the people among whom they dwell. I believe that I am speaking with historic accuracy and impartiality when I say that the American treatment of and attitude toward the Filipino people, in its combination of disinterested ethical purpose and sound common sense, marks a new and long stride forward, in advance of all steps that have hitherto been taken, along the path of wise and proper treatment of weaker by stronger races.

Now in speaking tonight I wish to lay stress upon the missionary side of the general work in the foreign lands. America has for over a century done its share of missionary work. We who stay at home should as a matter of duty give cordial support to those who in a spirit of devotion to all that is highest in human nature, spend the best part of their lives in trying to carry civilization and Christianity into lands which have hitherto known little or nothing of either. The work is vast, and it is done under many and widely varied conditions., Personally I have always been particularly interested, for instance, in the extraordinary work done by the American schools and colleges in the Turkish Empire, both Turkey in Europe and Turkey in Asia; a work which has borne such wonderful fruit among the Bulgarians, among Syrian and Armenian Christians, and also among the Mohammedans; and this although among the Mohammedans there has been no effort to convert them, simply an effort to make them, good citizens, to make them vie with their fellow citizens who are Christians in showing those qualities which it should be the pride of every creed to develop; and the present movement to introduce far-reaching and genuine reforms, political and social, in Turkey, an effort with which we all keenly sympathize, is one in which these young Moslems, educated at the American schools and colleges, are especially fitted to take part.

Bishop Hartzell's work has been done in Africa, the continent in which of all others there has been the most need for Christian work, and in which that work shows signs of reaching its widest development. It has been indeed a Dark Continent, and some of the white men who have gone thither have by their acts deepened the gloom. Let us as a race be thankful that so many other men have gone thither to strive for the uplift of the people; to strive for the betterment of conditions. Our own country has in the past committed grave wrong against Africa for which it should amply atone, and no better atonement can be made than that which is being made by the American missionaries of every creed and church, who are now doing so much in almost every corner of Africa for the physical, the intellectual, and the moral betterment of the people. I hope there will be the most hearty support of these men, who in far-off regions are fighting for progress in things of the spirit no less than in things of the body. Let us help them to make the missions centres of industrial no less than of ethical teaching; for unless we raise the savage in industrial efficiency we cannot permanently keep him on a high plane of moral efficiency, nor yet can we render him able to hold his own in the world.

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quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
Doug says
As far as Asians go, we need to stop lumping them in with our struggle. Asians are benefiting from all
the fighting and dying that black folks did in the 50s and 60s when Asians couldn't come here. So most
Asians who are in America today have never faced any racism.


A bit misleading. Though not to the same extent as blacks, Asians have been around in the US
quite a while and faced discrimination, the Chinese for example who were often massacred
and driven out in te 1880s- so that the saying arose: "Not a Chinaman's chance"..
Then there is the case of the Japanese internees.. plenty of racism there. YOur point
seems to apply more to RECENT Asian arrivals.. You fail to account for hundreds of thousands
already IN PLACE before that who also kept on increasing via natural population growth.

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And more importantly these people aren't here to fight racism and especially not to fight racism against
black folks. They are being allowed into the country to be a buffer against blacks and to be used as a brain
drain to help America and the West continue to dominate Asia economically and socially.


Agan somewhat misleading. Asian immigration is not to help the West dominate Asia
economically and socially. How so? Give a concrete example of your claim.
If anything, that immigration is more helpful to Asians, as they get the opportunity
to tap into Western networks of advanced technoogy and knowledge that they then can
take to Asia and expand. Nothing wrong with this. The Japanese did this extensively
to modernize and hold their own against white competitors, in turn becoming strong
hegemons themselves in East Asia. By 1905 they were defeating European powers
on the high seas naval battles. By 1941 they had the best integrated carrier systems,
the best pilots, and in those initial years, the best carrier fighter plane, the famous
Mitsubishi Zero. The Chinese are now doing the exact same thing- getting as much advanced
knowledge as possible from the West, and growing stronger as a result. They of course
supplied the West with several key items of technology that enabled Western dominance
namely gunpowder, printing and the compass, back in the day.

And is brain drain necessarily "bad"? CHina has no shortage of people training to be engineers, scientists
etc, nor does India necessarily. In fact the Asians are using their internal education as an "export".
Juat as some nations export copper or rice, so their educational systems churn out graduates
for "export" to the West. Damn smart strategy.
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2015/01/30/the-surprising-secret-of-indias-success-could-be-its-brain-drain/
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So even though it is blacks that fought, struggled and sacrificed for America to change and make it possible to
come here, the first thing they do is to spit in black folks faces and kick them in the face as a sign of appreciation


This indeed may the the case with SOME. As Richard Pryor once said in one of his
routines, the first thing some fireigners learn when they come to America is how
to say "NIG&#%&r" 30 years later, some black folk are running around talkin bout
how if you add an "a" to the ending, rather than an "r" - its not all bad..

I am talking about basic sociology and history. You need to read the writings of the Europeans over the last century and a half when they openly spoke on how they really felt about races and racism. In their minds their purpose is to mold the world into a form that is good for white supremacy, which means a racial pyramid where whites are on the top and other racial combination and groups are at some level below that with blacks on the very bottom. Of course this is not a natural historical fact of nature, so the only way to bring that about is open warfare, genocide, destruction, warfare, legalized racism, economic dislocation, mass migration and eugenics. America is not a "natural" occurrence because all the people here are immigrants from somewhere else, following the "hopes and dreams" held up by the white settlers and colonists who committed genocide and oppression to create the American nation. No different than the Spanish and Portuguese in Central and South America or the British and French in Canada. There is no such thing as "good" genocide. But the hypocritical lying racists will sit up here and tell you with a straight face that genocide is a normal part of history and part of the "greater good" of mankind, of course ONLY when white people are the ones doing the genocide. If tables were turned and white people were the ones being killed as part of the genocide, oh then it is bad and evil and everybody must fight to end such genocide. But not so much when white folks are the ones committing the crimes... This is a standard talking point and philosophical cornerstone of racism going back 500 years. As whites can "do no wrong" as part of their "global crusade" sanctioned by the Christian church (which has always been engaging in sexual misconduct). And it only works when they have complete domination in all spheres of human activity. If other people and other cultures had superior "homegrown" technology and culture to challenge whites then it would be a whole different ball game.

So as it stands, the people migrating to America or any other European colony are simply acknowledging, buying into and pledging allegiance to the ideal of white supremacy as the epitome of progress in human life and thereby supporting the agenda and spread of white supremacy and its domination around the globe. Otherwise they would stay in their own countries and build their own cultures to be on par with if not superior to white colonial global exploitation.

Mass migration and manipulation of populations based on economic, political and social tools has always been part of the "toolkit" of white supremacy. This is basically the standard strategy of divide and conquer which is based on the idea of identifying and creating a group of "haves" vs a group of "have nots" using control of economic resources, technology and migration laws to control social development.

This is what you see in books written by folks like Aldus Huxley (Brave New World) or George Orwell (1984) and all of these are based on actual scientific movements like Eugenics and other racial doctrines coming from European scientists in the 1800s.

For example: Francis Galton
quote:

Africa For The Chinese.
To The Editor of The Times.

Sir, - In a few days Sir Bartle Frere will return to England, and public attention will be directed to the East Coast of Africa. I am desirous of availing myself of the opportunity to ventilate some speculations of my own, which you may, perhaps, consider of sufficient interest to deserve publication in the Times. My proposal is to make the encouragement of the Chinese settlements at one or more suitable places on the East Coast of Africa a par of our national policy, in the belief that the Chinese immigrants would not only maintain their position, but that they would multiply and their descendants supplant the inferior Negro race. I should expect the large part of the African seaboard, now sparsely occupied by lazy, palavering savages living under the nominal sovereignty of the Zanzibar, or Portugal, might in a few years be tenanted by industrious, order loving Chinese, living either as a semi-detached dependency of China, or else in perfect freedom under their own law. In the latter case their would be similar to that of the inhabitants of Liberia, in West Africa, the territory which was purchased 50 years ago and set apart as an independent State for the reception of freed negroes from America.

The opinion of the public on the real worth of the Negro race has halted between the extreme views which have been long and loudly proclaimed. It refuses to follow those of the early abolitionists, that all the barbarities in Africa are to be traced to the effects of a foreign slave trade, because travelers continually speak of similar barbarities existing in regions to which the slave trade has not penetrated. Captain Colomb has written a well-argued chapter on this matter, in his recent volume. On the other hand, the opinion of the present day repudiates the belief that the negro is an extremely inferior being, because there are notorious instances of negroes possessing high intelligence and culture, some of whom acquire large fortunes in commerce, and others become considerable men in other walks of life. The truth appears to be that individuals of the mental caliber I have just described are much more exceptional in the negro than in the Anglo-Saxon race, and that average negroes possess too little intellect, self-reliance, and self-control to make it possible for them to sustain the burden of any respectable form of civilization without a large measure of external guidance and support. The Chinaman is a being of another kind, who is endowed with a remarkable aptitude for a high material civilization. He is seen to the least advantage in his own country, where a temporary dark age still prevails, which has not sapped the genius of the race, though it has stunted the developed the of each member of it, by the rigid enforcement of an effete system of classical education which treats originality as a social crime. All the bad parts of his character, as his lying and servility, spring from timidity due to an education that has cowed him, and no treatment is better calculated to remedy that evil than location in a free settlement. The natural capacity of the Chinaman shows itself by the success with which, notwithstanding his timidity, he competes with strangers, wherever he may reside. The Chinese emigrants possess an extraordinary instinct for political and social organization; they contrive to establish for themselves a police and internal government, and they give no trouble to their rulers so long as they are left to manage those matters by themselves. They are good-tempered, frugal, industrious, saving, commercially inclined, and extraordinarily prolific. They thrive in all countries, the natives of the Southern provinces being perfectly able to labor and multiply in the hottest climates. Of all known varieties or mankind there is none so appropriate as the Chinaman to become the future occupant of the enormous regions which lie between the tropics, whose extent is far more vast than it appears, from the cramped manner in which those latitudes are pictured in the ordinary maps of the world. But take a globe and examine it, and consider the huge but poorly-peopled bulk of Africa, by whose side the areas of India and of China look insignificant, and think what a field lies there for the development of a suitable race. The Hindoo cannot fulfil the required conditions nearly as well as the Chinaman, for he is inferior to him in strength, industry, aptitude for saving, business habits, and prolific power. The Arab is little more than an eater up of other men's produce; he is a destroyer rather than a creator, and he is unprolific.

http://galton.org/letters/africa-for-chinese/AfricaForTheChinese.htm

So human nature being what it is, Chinese and Asians coming to America are no more inclined to get involved in the African struggle for their rights or reparations in America than an African is to get involved in the struggle for Tibetan indpendence from China. It is not seen as "their fight". Most of the Asians you see in America like the Indians, Cambodians, Vietnamese and others have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Chinese that came here in the 1800s and were oppressed. Likewise, most Chinese in America are very young Children or recent migrants who came here since the 1960s after the Immigration Act of 1965. In fact most Chinese young folks coming here are very rich and children of the nuveu rich Communist capitalists who came about in China since the 1970s. China's rise to a global power is a result of Western know how and support since the 1970s. This isn't something that was part of Communist China before that. In fact, Communism in China was a failure as can be seen in the fact that before the 1970s China was an economic backwater and many people were poor peasants. So Nixon and Kissinger opened the door for a new class of Capitalists to rise after Mao's death and they haven't looked back since. They are fully and totally integrated with the Western capitalist monetary and banking system which is the goal and plan since the age of "gunboat diplomacy" and the opium wars.

And lets not forget how Indians and Chinese treat Africans in India and China.

quote:

Chinese millionaires are warming up to Canada and cooling on Britain. But they're still red-hot for the United States.

That's according to a survey by research firm Hurun Report and Visas Consulting Group that tracks immigration trends among Chinese individuals worth between 10 million and 200 million yuan ($1.5 million - $30 million).

The U.S. retained its title as the top destination for rich Chinese emigrants for a third consecutive year. Meanwhile, Canada surpassed the U.K. for the first time to become the second-most popular choice.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/17/investing/chinese-rich-immigration-hurun-report/index.html

quote:

Beijing (CNN)Jessica Zhang, a 21-year-old Chinese student from Jiangsu Province, says her English wasn't strong enough to fill in her U.S. college admission form.
So her parents paid three consultants $4,500 to fill out the application, write her personal essay and compose teacher recommendation letters.
They also arranged her visa and communicated with her prospective colleges -- eight ranked between 40 and 100 on the U.S. News & World Report College rankings.

"It would have been too much hassle if I had applied myself," says Zhang, which is not her real name.
In August, she'll start her undergraduate career with an open major at a Midwestern university, in the United States. She says she's unaware that her application could be considered fraudulent and even get her expelled.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/12/asia/china-education-agencies/index.html

Not only that, American cities are planning on keeping these foreign students as the basis for the new "future cities" that they are planning in America for 2030 and beyond. Meaning these people will be brought in as upper class wealthy replacements for black folks who will continue to be on the bottom tier of society, uneducated, with no power or money as a 3rd class minority behind everybody else.

quote:



Over 3 million new migrants arrive in towns and cities around the world every week. Right now, the urban population represents roughly 3.9 billion people and is expected to grow to 6.4 billion by 2050. The rapid growth of urban areas is nothing new, but the kind of cities that draw the most migrants is changing.

According to the World Migration Report 2015, almost one in five migrants live in a "gateway city" such as London, Sydney or New York, where migrants make up a third of the local population. The future of migration, however, will be mostly felt in emerging economies including South Africa, Brazil and India, and within East Asia.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/02/who-has-the-largest-migrant-population/

quote:

The United States is seeing increasing numbers of international students. According to the International Students Report, 819,644 international studied in U.S. colleges and universities in 2013. U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement’s Homeland Securities Investigations projects that number will likely increase significantly for the 2014 school year. Still, some international students are turning to other countries because of their easier immigration policies that allow students to remain in the country once they graduate. But what’s the problem with having these students leave once they graduate? Plenty.

International students have enrolled at American institutions and this is good for the bottom line of these schools. Administrators at these institutions say such students promote the diversity and global perspectives on campus, but these students provide more. The economic downturn of the past five years has forced a decline in state spending at the universities. The numbers reveal a 28 percent reduction on higher education spending and out-of-state and international students have kept these schools in the black.

Francesco Sanchez, the undersecretary for international trade at the Commerce Department, has said that the U.S. has “no better export.” Former Secretary of Treasury, and former Harvard president Larry Summers, acknowledges that “exporting higher education” is a vital part of his own recommendations for encouraging economic growth.

While some international students gain financial assistance from U.S. universities, it is nowhere near the amount that is available to American students. More often than not the international students who study here pay full fare, or their governments pay a high percentage of their tuition costs, and that makes them highly desirable to schools.

Of particular interest, a full 35 percent of the advanced degrees these students seek is in STEM fields: science, technology, engineering, and math. Students pursuing degrees in STEM is good for the future of American business if — emphasis added, they are allowed to remain in the U.S. once graduating. When these international students graduate we lose highly trained and valuable human capital. When they are sent packing to their home countries, they take potential businesses and the possibility of hiring Americans for those job openings with them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-harris/education-and-immigration_b_5609706.html

quote:

If you have access to $500,000, it is possible to buy your way into America. No need to stand in line; no need to wait years. Hand over the money and take your papers.

In 1990, Congress created the EB-5 visa program to promote economic vibrancy through job creation. It became possible for rich immigrants to obtain a green card by investing $1 million in a business with the condition that at least 10 jobs would be created through the investment; or $500,000 in a business project in a rural area — one that has had a severe shortfall in jobs, with an unemployment rate of at least 150 percent of the national average; or $500,000 as part of a regional center — a firm that sponsors projects for EB-5 investments.

There are 838 approved regional centers in America, and 203 of those are in California. In San Francisco, Golden Gate Global is an EB-5 Regional Center. GGG is behind the Hunters Point Shipyard project, which has floated seven EB-5 funds for infrastructure installations and home construction. This 775-acre project is pitched as being San Francisco’s “largest-ever development” on the waterfront with a projected 12,000 housing units and expansive commercial, retail and recreational spaces.

Despite opposition, Congress approved the EB-5 program on Dec. 15, 2015. The program will continue as before until Sept. 30, 2016.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) are outspoken critics of the program. Grassley called it a program with “serious problems and serious vulnerabilities.”

The vulnerabilities he lists include no background checks on anyone associated with a regional center; investment levels not adjusted in 25 years; regional centers not required to comply with securities laws; and regional center operators possibly fleecing foreign nationals above and beyond the investment requirements with little oversight.

There have been several cases of investors defrauded. The SEC filed a $68 million federal fraud complaint last year against Luca International and its CEO in U.S. District Court in San Francisco for “running a Ponzi-like scheme” and drawing Chinese immigrants into EB-5 investments.

And then there’s the curious case of China supplying 83.5 percent of EB-5 investors in 2015. That looks like a red flag. Why is there not a more equitable distribution of countries providing investors?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/green-cards-wealthy/

A perfect example of how this gentrification will play out with a new 'global community' that will displace local black folks can be seen in Hunter's Point a neighborhood in San Francisco. Black people have always been a minority in San Francisco and most of them were forced to live in neighborhoods like Filmore and Hunters Point. Now they are redeveloping Hunters Point as a high end community and of course black folks will no longer be part of this community.


quote:

One of the most famous and luxurious cities in the world, the San Francisco ghetto often gets ignored or paid little attention to, especially with today’s gentrification of the once thriving black communities.

While the San Francisco black population is only 6% of over 800,000 people, with whites and Asians making up the majority and a total of 15% of the Mexican population, there are a few communities in the city.

The San Francisco ghetto and community are in areas like the Sunnydale Projects, the Mission District, Lakeview or the View, the infamous Hunters Point’s blocks and projects, project buildings on the streets of Connecticut, Missouri, and Dakota in Potrero Hill and the legendary Fillmore neighborhood, which is the most known and famous neighborhood of the San Francisco black population.

http://www.therealstreetz.com/2016/02/29/story-san-francisco-ghetto/

Same thing in Harlem and South Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas, Pittsburgh and so forth.

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Doug's point is America North and South is a racist colonial nation to this day, we can't change it, we can't leave and we have no choice but to be tax paying citizens of it.
All we can hope that in the future hispanics who are on the demographic path to taking over in about 50 years will end the racism and imperialism.
In the meantime complaining is the best course of action.

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More on Hunters Point SF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkChaZDNRdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57JflOnHcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DVzucpEfD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEZ7nC-IWI

And funny enough one of the main architects on the project is an African:
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British firm Adjaye Associates has announced that it will serve as masterplan architect for the redevelopment of The San Francisco Shipyard neighbourhood.

The David Adjaye-led studio will work with developer FivePoint to revitalise the waterfront area in the city's Hunters Point district on the bay side.

Earmarked as one of the largest urban developments on the USA's west coast, the project will involve the construction of both housing and a commercial district.

New offices, labs, research facilities will be built among reclaimed heritage buildings and large pockets of public space and sports grounds.

"This is a project with incredible transformative potential," said Adjaye, who recently completed the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington DC.

Adjaye Associates will build on the work of IBI Architects, which completed the first phase of development. This second phase will be completed over the next five years .

Together with work at the nearby Candlestick Park site, the project will create 12,000 homes adjacent to more than 350 acres (142 hectares) of waterfront parks, trails and restored shoreline.

San Francisco is experiencing a wave of development after a period of stagnant architecture. Proposals by high-profile architects such as OMA, Studio Gang and Foster + Partners are set to transform its skyline and waterfront over the coming years.

Adjaye's other projects in the US include the Sugar Hill housing project in New York's Harlem and a red concrete art museum in Texas. He was recently awarded the London Design Medal, and will be part of the team to select the architect for next year's Serpentine Gallery Pavilion.

https://www.dezeen.com/2016/10/24/david-adjaye-associates-masterplan-san-francisco-shipyard-revitalisation/


quote:
Hunters Point Shipyard redevelopment architect knighted by Queen Elizabeth II

Signed on as master planner for the anticipated Hunters Point Shipyard project phase two, British-Ghanaian architect David Adjaye, principal of Adjaye Associates, will add another esteemed plume to his cap—knighthood. The noted architect was named Knight Bachelor at Queen Elizabeth II’s annual New Year’s Honors.

The sovereign ruler bestowed Adjaye with the OBE recognition, according to the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood at St. James's Palace, for being “one of the leading architects of his generation and a global cultural ambassador for the U.K.”

Regarding said honor, Adjaye said:

“I am truly honoured and humbled to receive a knighthood by Her Majesty the Queen for my contribution to architecture. I see this not as a personal celebration, but as a celebration of the vast potential—and responsibility—for architecture to effect positive social change. that we as architects have to bring something positive to the world. I am proud to continue to work in service of this mission as a global cultural ambassador for the UK.”

Last year, Adjaye talked to Curbed SF about the Hunters Point project underway. “The city’s north is beautifully served with urban spaces, but then down south it just goes off,” he said, adding, “We want to make a more natural looking edge to the bay. I’d like for this to be more than just a neighborhood. I’d like for it to be a gathering place for everyone who lives in the south.”

The Shipyard redevelopment project, where, among other things, two-bedroom condos will run in the $500K-$600K range, is one of many victories for the 50-year-old architect. He also helmed the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of African American History & Culture on Washington D.C.’s National Mall.

https://www.dezeen.com/2016/10/24/david-adjaye-associates-masterplan-san-francisco-shipyard-revitalisation/

Interesting mural in Sugar Hill project:
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http://www.sugarhillmuseum.org/blog/2016/3/17/0hcjbl99z02m8rxqullexjj77kmx5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ThCnOX6l34

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The Young Turk cops held rapper at gunpoint for stealing his own money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sck6ALUSawc

Blac youngsta arrested for taking $200,000 out of his account
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faORtT2tS2w

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LypO99qjKeA

VIDEO: POLICE ARRETS HIGH RANKING KKK MEMBER WHO WAS AT CHARLOTTESVILLE PROTEST WHO FIRED A GUN AFTER SAYING "HEY NI*****"


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Richard Wilson Preston, the Imperial Wizard of the Maryland Confederate White Knights branch of the KKK, was arrested Saturday after video emerged of him shooting a gun at a protester during the Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia two weeks earlier.

Because he only aimed the gun at protester Corey Long’s head, then shot at the ground near his feet, Preston could not be charged with attempted murder. Instead, police nabbed him for discharging his weapon within a thousand feet of a school. The charge carries a sentence of two to ten years in prison. If he’s convicted of the class 4 gun felony, he will also lose his right to own a firearm and, perhaps more importantly, vote.

Preston was clearly surprised by the charges. At the time, there were multiple police present, who did nothing. The 52-year-old Nazi was giving interviews by the time the weekend was out. When WANE News Channel 15 of Fort Wayne, Indiana contacted him on the Monday following the white supremacist rally, he did not attempt to conceal his identity:

For his part, the near-victim, Corey Long, told The Root that the protest was peaceful to begin with: You would recognize Mr. Long as the black protester who tried in vain to keep the Nazis at bay with an improvised blowtorch made from a can of hairspray that was thrown at his head.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-n3-qUrGyg

^ Local news VIideo (Audio) of Imperial Wizard Richard Preston , August 15 commenting in Charlottesville protests
- before shooting video emerged


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky1ubBnVdCc
Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard Richard Preston Interview
posted March 8

^ 21 minute video, maybe I'll watch this jackass later

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More on how Asians are the worlds preferred "buffer class" for white supremacy against black folks.

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I have deleted about 2,800 words of a huge block of text here. It's too long for off topic.
The topic is Charlottesville and confederate statues
You can re-post but it has to be a new thread
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Ish Gebor has shown the evidence that white racism holds Afro-Americans (AAs) back, not the ability to accumulate wealth.


So how do you end racism?
You can start by not acting like a black person online, that is a beginning.
Racism can only end with an intervention by God.

This is why AAs are the most hated group on earth, but we still modestly prosper.


This explains it all.


quote:
“When the immigrant from Eastern Europe meets the Negro in New York,” Dr. W. E. B. Du Bois told us, “he is curious. He has never before seen a colored man; he therefore gazes at him as something new and novel. In his next step, through the process of Americanization, the immigrant will be told to avoid the Negroes, not to have any dealings with them, etc., etc. and later the final step, he will unconsciously begin to absorb the current prejudices against Negroes.”

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The Martyrdom Of The Negro

“But before the immigrant goes any further, he should be stopped and warned. The millions of Negroes in America represent the exploited and persecuted group, just as these wanderers from Russia and Poland and Romania represent that of their countries. And the persecuted group gets little chance to be understood by the foreigner. The press, society, all the domineering forces of the state are against it” — and for the first time in our conversation the Doctor’s brown eyes flamed up.


http://forward.com/opinion/national/369360/how-the-forward-introduced-jews-to-web-du-bois/

From a Biblical perspective:

Luke 10 "A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.”

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Mena: I didnt want to post this article because i am not a fan of transvestite......

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off topic, deleted

the topic is Charlottesville and confederate monuments

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quote:

Origins of the Confederate Lost Cause

The impassioned debate over the Confederate battle flag in South Carolina and throughout the nation is a subset of a larger debate about the historical interpretation of the Confederate States of America and the reasons for the Civil War. For some Southerners, the Civil War was a noble “Lost Cause.” This was once the reigning interpretation in the South and long influenced the historiography of the Civil War and its aftermath.

The Lost Cause mythos itself has a history: it was a post-Reconstruction invention to explain defeat in the Civil War and maintain a whites-only political system. It was, as John A. Simpson tells it, a militant form of “Confederate nostalgia” that had by 1913 “permanently stamped the cult of the ‘Lost Cause’ upon the national character.” The movie Birth of a Nation (1915) and the book (1936) and movie (1939) of Gone With the Wind were all popular cultural manifestations of this “cult.”

At its heart, the Lost Cause was a “mystique of chivalric Southern soldiers and the noble Confederate leadership embodied in Jefferson Davis” defending a way of life, state’s rights, even the original American Revolution, against a rapacious Northern industrial machine. The actual reason for the Confederacy’s existence, slavery and the power of a plantation economy based on it, didn’t play a large role in the myth, although continued white dominance of political power and the associated denial of humanity to black Southerners was very much the point of it.

To get a feel for the Lost Cause in all of its flowery rhetoric, this note from the Register of Kentucky State Historical Society of 1903, may suffice. In “Just A Word About the Lost Cause” “J.C.M.” praises the Confederate Daughters of the South who laid wreaths upon the graves of those who “lost their young, noble lives to defend the sweetest land on earth from degradation […].” The writer does take issue with the “unfortunate name of ‘Lost Cause'” when “the principle involved is a just cause, like the divine spirit of truth, is immortal, and, crushed to earth, will rise again and glow in the heavens, covering its defenders on earth with the glory of triumph.”

The Lost Cause was also a fight over who represented the Confederate past. Kevin M. Levin details the post-war career of William Mahone, a Confederate General turned businessman and politician. Mahone supported the Republicans when the vast majority of white Southerners were solidly Democratic.

Mahone was also the most powerful, and therefore most vilified, face of the Readjusters, an independent, biracial Virginia movement in the late 1870s which matched “white supremacy, black subordination and agrarian economy with democratic struggle, black political action, and a progressive economic outlook.” By 1883, though, the Readjusters were swept from office in Virginia. The planter elites, known as Bourbons, regained power, defeating a home-grown attempt at reconciliation and reconstruction. The long years of racist terror known as Jim Crow would follow.

—John A. Simpson, Matthew Wills (July 15, 2015)

https://daily.jstor.org/origins-confederate-lost-cause/

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