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Limestone funerary bust so called ”The Beauty of Palmyra”, AD 190-210 | Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek, Copenhagen

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A PHOENICIAN BLACK OBSIDIAN HEAD OF A DIVINITY CIRCA EARLY 1ST MILLENNIUM B.C. Probably an inlay, in Egyptianising style, wearing a close-fitting cap, the face with full lips, aquiline nose, almond-shaped eyes with recessed pupils, finely delineated cosmetic lines and contoured eyebrows

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Head of a man from the Island of Cyprus

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Limestone statue of a youth | Cypriot | Classical | The Met

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Limestone upper body of a woman | Cypriot | Archaic | The Met

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Limestone head of a man Archaic,early 5th cent. BC Cypriot llimestone Metropolitan Museum

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Why isn't this thread called "Ancient Mediterranean Art" ?

why is it called "Black, Brown, White..."

That is a European obsession with color.

On top of that this sculpture is not even painted so the color is not even indicated

Does every topic on ancient art have to have skin color in the title?

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Lioness the reason I call my picture thread Black Brown and White Asians, Europeans and Native Americans is to point out that Ancient civilizations had many race of people living in harmony inside them and racism that started during the colonial era is only 600 years old.

All human phenotype and morphology are found in Africa. Curly hair and curly beard are the sign of Black African blood who is the primordial blood. A mulato king or emperor in a civilization and monarchy created by Black people is classify as a Black person by me

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Head of a male statue with conical helmet, 7th century BC - 6th century BC, from Idalion, Ancient Cyprus, Neues Museum, Berlin

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Limestone statue of a bearded man with votive offerings Period: Classical Date: ca. 475–450 B.C. Culture: Cypriot Medium: Limestone

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Funerary Head from Palmyra Syria, Palmyra, 3rd century

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Limestone statue of a male votary Period: Cypro-Classical Date: first half of the 5th century B.C. Culture: Cypriot Medium: Limestone. | © 2000–2014 The Metropolitan Museum of Art.

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Limestone statue of a god. Cypriot, Hellenistic, 3rd century B.C.

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Limestone statuette of a temple girl. Cypriot, early Hellenistic Period, late 4th or early 3rd century B.C.

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Limestone statuette of a temple boy Limestone statuette of a temple boy Period: Classical Date: 4th century B.C. Culture: Cypriot Medium: Limestone

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Limestone statuette of a boy holding a duck. Culture: Cypriot. Medium: Limestone

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The Ancient Way of Life — ~ Limestone male figure in Egyptian dress.

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Limestone statuette of a male votary Period: Archaic Date: probably mid-6th century B.C. Culture: Cypriot

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A Cypriot limestone male head circa 460-450 B.C. With curled hair and full beard, crowned with an olive wreath, the face with lidded almond-shaped eyes and an archaic smile, mounted on a 19th Century wood base

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Limestone head of a beardless male with a diadem Culture: Cypriot

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Sarcophagus lid with representation of a winged lady date: 4th-3rd century BC dimensions: 197 x 68 x 76 cm material: marble found at: Carthage, Rabs necropolis collection: Musée national de Carthage,

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Limestone head of a beardless male votary | Cypriot | Classical, 3rd quarter of the 5th century B.C.| The Met

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Limestone head of a bearded man Period: Archaic Date: early 6th century B.C. Culture: Cypriot Medium: Limestone

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Do you also see ancient Egypt as a racial melting pot, mena7?


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Lioness the reason I call my picture thread Black Brown and White Asians, Europeans and Native Americans is to point out that Ancient civilizations had many race of people living in harmony inside them and racism that started during the colonial era is only 600 years old.

All human phenotype and morphology are found in Africa. Curly hair and curly beard are the sign of Black African blood who is the primordial blood. A mulato king or emperor in a civilization and monarchy created by Black people is classify as a Black person by me

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Head of a male statue with conical helmet, 7th century BC - 6th century BC, from Idalion, Ancient Cyprus, Neues Museum, Berlin

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Limestone statue of a bearded man with votive offerings Period: Classical Date: ca. 475–450 B.C. Culture: Cypriot Medium: Limestone

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Funerary Head from Palmyra Syria, Palmyra, 3rd century


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Statue of a seated god Hazor Late Canaanite period, 15th-13th century BCE Bronze H: 35; W: 10; D: 12 cm Israel Antiquities Authority

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A CANAANITE BRONZE FIGURE MIDDLE BRONZE AGE II, CIRCA 1700-1500 B.C.

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Ugarit Period: QATNA (Mishrif) Seated Syrian god, bronze, Mishrif (Qatna), 17th-16th C. BCE

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Phoenician terracotta,from Cadiz,Spain . 450-400 BC

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Why are colourless busts of men with artficially curled hair and beard and aquiline noses considered as blacks here?

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It goes by the theory
Curly hair = Black

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
It goes by the theory
Curly hair = Black

And what is black again? [Roll Eyes]

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Black Islamic Arab Byzantine UMAYYAD Caliphate 670AD Authentic Ancient Coin i67252

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
It goes by the theory
Curly hair = Black

And you follow a

thin nose = white

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] It goes by the theory
Curly hair = Black

And what is black again? [Roll Eyes]


If the definition of black you quoted then why are your asking what it is?
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Mena: The Umayyad Caliphs in those coins belong to the Black race. The Arab Omayyad empire capital was the Syrian city of Damascus. The Umayyad Moroccan governor conquered Spain with the help of the Black Moors of Morocco. After the defeat of the Umayyad Muslim by the Abbassid Muslim Arabs an Umayyad Prince traveled to Spain and founded the Emirate of Cordoba. The Moors that the Omayyad use to conquered Spain in the 8 cent CE were Black Muslim from the Maghreb and West Africa and now those coins are showing us that the Umayyad Caliphs were Black people also.


The Umayyad Caliphate (Arabic: ٱلْخِلافَةُ ٱلأُمَوِيَّة‎, trans. Al-Khilāfatu al-ʾUmawiyyah), also spelt Omayyad,[3] was the second of the four major caliphates established after the death of Muhammad. The caliphate was ruled by the Umayyad dynasty (Arabic: ٱلأُمَوِيُّون‎, al-ʾUmawiyyūn, or بَنُو أُمَيَّة, Banū ʾUmayya, "Sons of Umayya"), hailing from Mecca. An Umayyad clan member had previously come to power as the third Rashidun Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 644–656), but official Umayyad rule was established by Muawiya ibn Abi Sufyan, long-time governor of Syria, after the end of the First Muslim Civil War in AD 661. Syria remained the Umayyads' main power base thereafter, and Damascus was their capital.

The Umayyads continued the Muslim conquests, incorporating the Transoxiana, Sindh, the Maghreb and the Iberian Peninsula (Al-Andalus) into the Muslim world. At its greatest extent, the Umayyad Caliphate covered 11,100,000 km2 (4,300,000 sq mi)[4] and 62 million people (29% of the world's population),[2] making it one of the largest empires in history in both area and proportion of the world's population.

The Umayyad Caliphate was de facto secular.[5] At the time, the Umayyad taxation and administrative practice were perceived as unjust by some Muslims. The Christian and Jewish population still had autonomy; their judicial matters were dealt with in accordance with their own laws and by their own religious heads or their appointees, although they did pay a poll tax (the jizya) for protection to the central state.[6] Muhammad had stated explicitly during his lifetime that Abrahamic religious groups (still a majority in times of the Umayyad Caliphate) should be allowed to practice their own religion, provided that they paid the jizya taxation. The welfare state of both the Muslim and the non-Muslim poor started by Umar ibn al Khattab had also continued, financed by the Zakat tax levied only on Muslims.[6]

Muawiya's wife Maysum (Yazid's mother) was also a Christian. The relations between the Muslims and the Christians in the state were stable in this time. The Umayyads were involved in frequent battles with the Christian Byzantines without being concerned with protecting themselves in Syria, which had remained largely Christian like many other parts of the empire.[6] Prominent positions were held by Christians, some of whom belonged to families that had served in Byzantine governments. The employment of Christians was part of a broader policy of religious assimilation that was necessitated by the presence of large Christian populations in the conquered provinces, as in Syria. This policy also boosted Muawiya's popularity and solidified Syria as his power base

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The Banu Umayya, also known as the Umayyads, were a clan of the Quraysh tribe descended from Umayya ibn Abd Shams. The clan staunchly opposed the Islamic prophet Muhammad, but eventually embraced Islam before the latter's death in 632. Wikipedia
Capitals: Damascus, Harran
Government: Monarchy
Currency: Dinar
Did you know: The Umayyad Caliphate was the seventh-largest empire by maximum land area (11.1 million km²). wikipedia.org

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Interesting.
From where you got all these pictures? traveling to ancient countries and visiting museums?

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The Ancient Black Persians in Stone – The Muurs of Persia | Rasta Livewire

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Indigenous people of Iraq

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Ancient Amorrite Syrian cornrowed braids hairstyle worn with white headbands during ancient Egypt's 20th dynasty, in the reign of Rameses III, compared to modern Ethiopian Oromo traditional hairstyle worn by women. Collage, Amina Bari.

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Black Persian

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Arab Chief M'Baruk B. Raschid Sultan of Zanzibar 1880

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ang Dynasty Figures of Jewish Travelling Merchants

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Rhadanite Jewish trader

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Rhadanite Jewish trader

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Chinese Tang Dynasty figurine of foreign trader

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Chinese Tang Dynasty figurine of foreign trader

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Chinese Tang Dynasty figurine of foreign trader

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Dynasty The Artuqid Rulers of Mardin, 502-812 H/1108-1409 AD

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Dynasty The Artuqid Rulers of Mardin, 502-812 H/1108-1409 AD

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Dynasty The Artuqid Rulers of Mardin, 502-812 H/1108-1409 AD

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Dynasty The Artuqid Rulers of Mardin, 502-812 H/1108-1409 AD

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Dynasty The Ikhshidid Rulers of Egypt and Syria, 323-358 H/935-969 AD

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Dynasty The Ayyubid Rulers of Egypt and Syria, 564-652 H/1169-1254 AD

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Dynasty The Artuqid Rulers of Hisn Kayfa and Amid, 495-629 H/1101-1231 CE

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Artuqid coin (1108-1409 CE)

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Dynasty The Begtiginid Rulers of Irbil, c. 540-630 H/1145-1233 AD

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Dynasty The Rasulid Rulers of the Yemen, 626-858 H/1229-1454 AD

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Dynasty The Ayyubid Rulers of Aleppo, 582-658 H/1186-1259 AD

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Palmyre (Syrie) - Prêtre Zabdila - mort en 176 - le Louvre - Paris

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It was one of the Middle East’s best-preserved remnants of the ancient world – until Syria’s civil war made it a battleground, and then Islamic State blew it up. We asked the experts what's going on in Palmyra, why it matters and what 'world heritage' really means

An artifact from ancient Palmyra in the Royal Ontario Museum’s permanent collection.

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Ritratto funerario femminile (da 'Syrie. Mémoire et Civilisation', Paris 1993, p. 296 - esposto al Museo di Palmira)

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Palmira - Yarhai, hijo de Elahbe (siglo II, Museo del Louvre, París)

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Calcite-alabaster stela; carved; depicts draped male figure in centre with one arm raised and other holding a dagger, framed in a border of bulls' heads seen en face and recumbent ibexes seen in profile; regular moulding decoration between recumbent ibexes and above bull's heads; inscription at top centre below bulls' heads and above draped figure; damaged and incomplete. Dark discolouration over the surfaces resulting from burning in antiquity.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] It goes by the theory
Curly hair = Black

And what is black again? [Roll Eyes]


If the definition of black you quoted then why are your asking what it is?
You are absolutely right.

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“Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others. For example, skin color varies largely from light in the temperate areas in the north to dark in the tropical areas in the south; its intensity is not related to nose shape or hair texture.

Dark skin may be associated with frizzy or kinky hair or curly or wavy or straight hair, all of which are found among different indigenous peoples in tropical regions. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective.”

~American Anthropological Association
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Why isn't this thread called "Ancient Mediterranean Art" ?

why is it called "Black, Brown, White..."

That is a European obsession with color.

On top of that this sculpture is not even painted so the color is not even indicated

Does every topic on ancient art have to have skin color in the title?

Mena has no clue
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