At the heart of white supremacist ideology is the belief that people of different races are biologically distinct, and people with very pale skin colors belong to a superior race that evolved from people with darker skin. But findings from a recent scientific study strike a powerful blow to this myth. The study, published in Science, challenges the use of skin color as a classifier for race at all. Nicholas Crawford and Sarah Tishkoff at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia studied the genetics of skin color in over 1,500 African participants and compared the results to the hundreds of studies of skin color in Europeans. Researchers recruited volunteers from 10 ethnic groups living in Ethiopia, Tanzania, and Botswana and took their DNA samples and measured their skin pigmentation. Once researchers combined and combed through the data, they were able to find eight sites in the human genome that are associated with skin color. These eight sites accounted for nearly 30% of the variation in skin color among the volunteers. Researchers found variants associated with paler skins and those associated with darker skin. The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ). The findings may come as a surprise to some. Researchers have long believed that variants for darker skin color are somewhat fixed for people of African descent, while variants for lighter skin color emerged later on once humans settled outside of Africa. But the study points at what may seem obvious; skin color in Africa can vary widely, with lighter or darker skin pigments found across the continent. While the San hunter-gatherers of Botswana have lighter skin variants comparable to some East Asians, the Nilo-Saharan pastoralists from East Africa have some of the darkest skins around. When looking at the darker-skin variants, researchers found that some variants evolved much more recently than initially thought. That is to say that participants with particularly dark skins may have gained the trait more recently from paler ancestors. Once again, this challenges the view that paler skin variants are more recently evolved, whilst darker skin variants remained constant and fixed in Africa. The study also suggests that some people with darker skin also carried a gene for lighter skinned variants, but though they don’t show it, they still carry a trait found within their population. For researchers, the study blows away the biological concept of race all together. These variants for lighter or darker skin color don’t neatly fit into discrete groups or boundaries. Most interestingly, researchers say they wouldn’t have been able to come to this conclusion had they not made the conscious decision to carry out their study in Africa. Researchers have previously focused predominantly on European descent—it wasn’t until they broadened their scope that they were able to piece together the puzzle of what unites us.
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This article is just crazy, you just can't be getting a darker people from a pale people. It's seems whites want to insert themselves in a timeline they weren't part of.
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quote:Originally posted by Autshumato: This article is just crazy, you just can't be getting a darker people from a pale people. It's seems whites want to insert themselves in a timeline they weren't part of.
You are referring to white European.
The modern human is believed to have evolved in Africa around 200,000 years ago but only left Africa around 60,000 years ago. That means the article you posted is referring to variation in Africa that includes light skinned Africans occurring far before humans left Africa or the creatures who were the ancestors of humans
A New scientific study challenges the use of skin color as a classifier for Race
The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ). The findings may come as a surprise to some. Researchers have long believed that variants for darker skin color are somewhat fixed for people of African descent, while variants for lighter skin color emerged later on once humans settled outside of Africa. But the study points at what may seem obvious; skin color in Africa can vary widely, with lighter or darker skin pigments found across the continent.
The point of the article is that skin color is highly unreliable as an identifier of race due to very ancient genes found to be related to light skin and that there was skin color variation very early on in human history, a variety of skin colors
This is a chimpanzee with a hairless condition known as Alopecia. This means if an ape-like or early humans were covered in hair their skin may have been similarly light as this chimpanzee. If they lost their hair at some point their skin may have darkened at that time or at some later time due to environmental conditions particularly in regions of high UV intensity such as closer to the equator
quote: The genus Pan is part of the subfamily Homininae, to which humans also belong. The lineages of chimpanzees[dubious – discuss] and humans separated in a drawn-out process of speciation over the period of roughly between twelve and five million years ago,[16] making them humanity's closest living relative.[17] Research by Mary-Claire King in 1973 found 99% identical DNA between human beings and chimpanzees.[18] For some time, research modified that finding to about 94%[19] commonality, with some of the difference occurring in noncoding DNA, but more recent knowledge states the difference in DNA between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos at just about 1%–1.2% again. Among the living primates, humans are most closely related to the apes, which include the lesser apes (gibbons) and the great apes (chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans). These so-called hominoids — that is, the gibbons, great apes and humans — emerged and diversified during the Miocene epoch, approximately 23 million to 5 million years ago. (The last common ancestor that humans had with chimpanzees lived about 6 million to 7 million years ago.)
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Loci associated with skin pigmentation identified in African populations
Sarah Tishkoff et al December 2017
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Despite the wide range of skin pigmentation in humans, little is known about its genetic basis in global populations. Examining ethnically diverse African genomes, we identify variants in or near SLC24A5, MFSD12, DDB1, TMEM138, OCA2 and HERC2 that are significantly associated with skin pigmentation. Genetic evidence indicates that the light pigmentation variant at SLC24A5 was introduced into East Africa by gene flow from non-Africans. At all other loci, variants associated with dark pigmentation in Africans are identical by descent in southern Asian and Australo-Melanesian populations. Functional analyses indicate that MFSD12 encodes a lysosomal protein that affects melanogenesis in zebrafish and mice, and that mutations in melanocyte-specific regulatory regions near DDB1/TMEM138 correlate with expression of UV response genes under selection in Eurasians.
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Those with pale skin are people with albinism, dark people do not come from people with albinism, but from normal people.
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Are you a victimizer, why did you delete the comment? Just delete comment from black people, whites already say what they want ..
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You have a white man as an avatar I dont know if that is your skin color I don't know the skin color of who posts here. I dont want to know or need to know or have any way of verifying what is true or not.
We are dealing with the content of the article an genetics. "Albinism" doers not mean "anybody with very light skin" Albinism has specific genetic indicators and includes serious eye problems and is not mentioned in the article.
A white couple may not be able to produce a black child but if white people settle into a high sunlight area and stay there for thousands of years their descendants will probably darken.
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C'mon lioness, you can do better than that...
Those Chimpanzees fur loss has nothing to do with genetics. Therefore, should not be posted as an example of evolution.
Those chimpanzees are the victims of the tragic Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. A radioactive cloud fallout all over Europe, including the region where those Chimpanzees were living in the zoo at Atherstone, England, which is beside Wales, one of the most affected region by Chernobyl nuclear contamination.
Those primates are very ill with cancer, because of high level of radioactive caesium and iodine in the ground where they play, and in the food they ate.
In the complete video of them I am posting below, you can notice that many of those chimpanzees has skin diseases such as skin discoloration, skin sores, and one of them was suffering from severe type of cancer called-"Papillary carcinoma", common known as a thyroid cancer.
Hundred of farms in the region were shutdown by government restrictions laws. Thousands of people in the region died from Papillary carcinoma, and other types of cancer. Thousands more still dying. Children and animals, until today, still born with physical defects in Southwest England. Some areas in Wales still under government restrictions because of soil contamination.
"INTRODUCTION Variation in pigmentation among human populations may reflect local adaptation to regional light environments, because dark skin is more photoprotective, whereas pale skin aids the production of vitamin D. Although genes associated with skin pigmentation have been identified in European populations, little is known about the genetic basis of skin pigmentation in Africans.
RATIONALE Genetically and phenotypically diverse African populations are informative for mapping genetic variants associated with skin pigmentation. Analysis of the genetics of skin pigmentation in Africans informs upon melanocyte biology and the evolution of skin pigmentation in humans.
RESULTS We observe extensive variation in skin pigmentation in Africa, with lowest melanin levels observed in southern African San hunter-gatherers and highest levels in East African Nilo-Saharan pastoralists. A genome-wide association study (GWAS) of 1570 Africans identified variants significantly associated with skin pigmentation, which clustered in four genomic regions that together account for almost 30% of the phenotypic variation.
The most significantly associated single-nucleotide polymorphisms were at SLC24A5, a gene associated with pigmentation in Europeans. We show that SLC24A5 was introduced into East Africa >5 thousand years ago (ka) and has risen to high frequency.
The second most significantly associated region is near the gene MFSD12. Using in vitro and in vivo analyses, we show that MFSD12 codes for a lysosomal protein that modifies pigmentation in human melanocytes, with decreased MFSD12 expression associated with darker pigmentation. We also show that genetic knockouts of MFSD12 orthologs affect pigmentation in both zebrafish and mice.
A third highly associated region encompasses a cluster of genes that play a role in ultraviolet (UV) response and DNA damage repair. We find the strongest associations in a regulatory region upstream of DDB1, the gene encoding damage-specific DNA binding protein 1, and that these variants are associated with increased expression of DDB1. The alleles associated with light pigmentation swept to near fixation outside of Africa due to positive selection, and we show that these lineages coalesce ~60 ka, corresponding with the time of migration of modern humans out of Africa.
The fourth significantly associated region encompasses the OCA2 and HERC2 loci. We identify previously uncharacterized variants at HERC2 associated with the expression of OCA2. These variants arose independently from eye and skin pigmentation–associated variants in non-Africans. We also identify variants at OCA2 that are correlated with alternative splicing; alleles associated with light pigmentation are correlated with a shorter transcript, which lacks a transmembrane domain.
CONCLUSION We identify previously uncharacterized genes and variants associated with skin pigmentation in ethnically diverse Africans. These genes have diverse functions, from repairing UV damage to playing important roles in melanocyte biology. We show that both dark and light pigmentation alleles arose before the origin of modern humans and that both light and dark pigmented skin has continued to evolve throughout hominid history. We show that variants associated with dark pigmentation in Africans are identical by descent in South Asian and Australo-Melanesian populations. This study sheds light on the evolutionary history, and adaptive significance, of skin pigmentation in humans." The paper makes claims that are not supported by the literature. First, if populations were differentiated with light skin people migrating into Eurasia 60kya, why did the ancestral alleles from La Bana and Luxemburg indicated that they were dark skinned Europeans. This make it clear early Europeans were not pale skinned as Tishkoff et al (2017) alleges. In addition, the idea that Eurasians introduced SLC24A5 to East Africans 5000 years ago is ludicrous. Just about all Sub-Saharan Africans carry SLC24A5. The pigmentation center is SLC24A5. The ancestral gene for light skin rs1426L54 is “predominante” among sub-Saharan African (SSA) populations . Plus the archaeological evidence from Bell Beaker, Yamnaya culture and etc., show Africans settling Eurasia--not vise versa.
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Those chimpanzees are the victims of the tragic Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.
How do you know?
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Those Chimpanzees fur loss has nothing to do with genetics. Therefore, should not be posted as an example of evolution.
You misunderstand my point. The fur loss in these chimps enables us to see their body color which is quite light.
Chimpanzees have a range of skin tones but it is not uncommon to see this light skin color in the hairless portion of their faces in normal fully haired chimpanzee. So the hairless chimp is irrelevant to that
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The paper makes claims that are not supported by the literature.
the way science works is that it is constantly updating due to new discoverers and in some cases rendering old theories obsolete
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
First, if populations were differentiated with light skin people migrating into Eurasia 60kya, why did the ancestral alleles from La Bana and Luxemburg indicated that they were dark skinned Europeans.
Because a wide diversity of skin tone is noted in Africa
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Just about all Sub-Saharan Africans carry SLC24A5. The pigmentation center is SLC24A5. The ancestral gene for light skin rs1426L54 is “predominante” among sub-Saharan African (SSA) populations
So now you are verifying light skin genes in Africa
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. Plus the archaeological evidence from culture and etc., show Africans settling Eurasia--not vise versa.[]
Bell Beaker, Yamnaya,La Bana and Luxemburg, specimens under 10kya are all far too recent as pertaining to this article
The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ).
This is far before humans left Africa and it is part of a diversity of skin tones there
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The paper makes claims that are not supported by the literature.
the way science works is that it is constantly updating due to new discoverers and in some cases rendering old theories obsolete
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
First, if populations were differentiated with light skin people migrating into Eurasia 60kya, why did the ancestral alleles from La Bana and Luxemburg indicated that they were dark skinned Europeans.
Because a wide diversity of skin tone is noted in Africa
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Just about all Sub-Saharan Africans carry SLC24A5. The pigmentation center is SLC24A5. The ancestral gene for light skin rs1426L54 is “predominante” among sub-Saharan African (SSA) populations
So now you are verifying light skin genes in Africa
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. Plus the archaeological evidence from culture and etc., show Africans settling Eurasia--not vise versa.[]
Bell Beaker, Yamnaya,La Bana and Luxemburg, specimens under 10kya are all far too recent as pertaining to this article
The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ).
This is far before humans left Africa and it is part of a diversity of skin tones there
These dates are statistical guesses and lack any real validity. Since Africans already carried the genes there was no need for genes to be reintroduced .
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The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ).
This is far before humans left Africa and it is part of a diversity of skin tones there
quote:These dates are statistical guesses and lack any real validity. Since Africans already carried the genes there was no need for genes to be reintroduced
The above dates pertaining to seven variants thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. That is referring to lighter skinned variation inside Africa before humans left Africa.
Loci associated with skin pigmentation identified in African populations
Sarah Tishkoff et al December 2017
Abstract
Despite the wide range of skin pigmentation in humans, little is known about its genetic basis in global populations. Examining ethnically diverse African genomes, we identify variants in or near SLC24A5, MFSD12, DDB1, TMEM138, OCA2 and HERC2 that are significantly associated with skin pigmentation.
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You are not addressing this larger point and you only posted the small portion of the source article which is not behind a pay wall, the larger point being that light skin genes have been present in Africa before humans left Africa, you are just quibbling over them not including one of these gene as also being a light skinned gene in Africa at this early point. But you have not provided any source that SLC24A5 was present in Africa before humans left Africa and if you do somebody could use your own argument against that "These dates are statistical guesses and lack any real validity"
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RATIONALE - Now we talking... Analysis of the genetics of skin pigmentation in Africans informs upon melanocyte biology and the evolution of skin pigmentation in humans.
lioness, every chimpanzee born light skinned. Their skin continuous to be light in color during their childhood years. Their skin start to turn black in the beginning of their teenager years. Therefore, the chimpanzee picture you posted is of a young chimpanzee, that's why he's skin still light brown.
Now...Gorillas, born with light grey or dark brown skin colors. But, their color change during their first months of life, however, their fur texture continuous to be primitively "straight" equal to all other monkeys, and primates.
There are many monkeys, such as a proboscis and many other monkeys, which born white, reddish or very light brown skinned, which don't change colors. They are considered to be the most primitive monkeys on the evolution scale.
I must added, that every African newborn from pure African homo sapiens, born with "light brown skin" and "straight hair". Their skin color and hair texture start to change between 4 to six months old. Contrary to Chimpanzees, that their skin color take longer to change, and continuous to have straight fur texture. That's are few differences between primates and fully developed humans. All primates and monkeys do not change their fur texture.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A GENIUS TO OBSERVE THAT...
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Now...the the white furless Chimpanzees in question living at the English Zoo, are cancer patients, taken cancer medications
Humans also lose their hair during cancer treatment, and became very pale in color. Some chemotherapy drugs may cause the skin and veins to become discoloured it is called "hyperpigmentation".
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The study showed that seven paler skin variants are thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. These variants for pale skin predated the arrival of Homo sapiens (who are estimated to have emerged from Africa 300,000 years ago ).
This is far before humans left Africa and it is part of a diversity of skin tones there
quote:These dates are statistical guesses and lack any real validity. Since Africans already carried the genes there was no need for genes to be reintroduced
The above dates pertaining to seven variants thought to have arisen at least 270,000 years ago; with four emerging more than 900,000 years ago. That is referring to lighter skinned variation inside Africa before humans left Africa.
Loci associated with skin pigmentation identified in African populations
Sarah Tishkoff et al December 2017
Abstract
Despite the wide range of skin pigmentation in humans, little is known about its genetic basis in global populations. Examining ethnically diverse African genomes, we identify variants in or near SLC24A5, MFSD12, DDB1, TMEM138, OCA2 and HERC2 that are significantly associated with skin pigmentation.
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You are not addressing this larger point and you only posted the small portion of the source article which is not behind a pay wall, the larger point being that light skin genes have been present in Africa before humans left Africa, you are just quibbling over them not including one of these gene as also being a light skinned gene in Africa at this early point. But you have not provided any source that SLC24A5 was present in Africa before humans left Africa and if you do somebody could use your own argument against that "These dates are statistical guesses and lack any real validity"
You have not disputed anything I wrote. You can not dispute the fact that Africans carry the rs1426654-A allele, especially Bantu (Southwest), San, Mandeka, and Ethiopians. The rs1426654-A allele determines the light skin associated allele of SLC24A5. So Africans like Europeans were already carrying light skin associated alleles .
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lioness, first I want to apologize to you, for compared the chimpanzee called Cinder, from the video you posted, which was from St Louis-state of Missouri in US, with the Chimpanzees called Mongo and Jambo from Twycross Zoo in England.
Both Chimps, Cinder from US, and Mongo from England died at very young age. Cinder, died at age 14, and Mongo, died at age 22. Generally, chimpanzees live longer in captivity, reaching ages of 50 to 60 years.
Now, about your question of how I know they died of cancer. What I know, is that both Chimps died at young age, and were living in an area nuclear contaminated. There is no record of how and from which illness they died. Both Zoo's did not release the information. The only information they released was that Mongo from Twycross Zoo in England, died at age 22 during undergoing routine health check to his very enlarged air sac, due to an infection, located in his neck, which appear to me to be "Papillary carcinoma", common in humans living in the same region, which were contaminated by Chernobyl fallout.
Cinder, a 14-year-old chimpanzee at the Saint Louis Zoo died suddenly and unexpectedly. The Zoo did not released the tests results. What I know, that cancer level in St Louis is very high among it's population, due to nuclear wast radioactive dump ground.
I also notice in both Zoo's, the Chimpanzees were suffering from skin disease, such as large sores skin discoloration, and fur loss.
Now... Guru, is a Chimpanzee living in India, which lost his fur. But, he does not has any sign of skin disease, such as discoloration, sores, or tumors. He has a healthy black skin color, rich in melanin, which I consider to be a characteristic of evolution.
Now, if you want more details, about the death of the young albinos chimpanzees you must inquired direct to the Zoo's administrations, and their veterinarians because I doubt very much they would say that cancer was the reason of their deaths at a tender ages, and tumors, and skin diseases that appear that many of their captive chimpanzees are suffering of.
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quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr: Now, about your question of how I know they died of cancer. What I know, is that both Chimps died at young age, and were living in an area nuclear contaminated. There is no record of how and from which illness they died.
quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr: lioness, first I want to apologize to you, for compared the chimpanzee called Cinder, from the video you posted, which was from St Louis-state of Missouri in US, with the Chimpanzees called Mongo and Jambo from Twycross Zoo in England.
Both Chimps, Cinder from US, and Mongo from England died at very young age. Cinder, died at age 14, and Mongo, died at age 22. Generally, chimpanzees live longer in captivity, reaching ages of 50 to 60 years.
You are name three hairless chimps here but only mention the two who died.
The 34 year old Jambo was born in 1983 and is still alive today in Twycross Zoo, Atherstone. His son Mongo was born in 1994 died at age 22.
Cinder of the St Louis zoo one of eight chimpanzees who caught colds died in 2009 and was also born in 1994. Common colds can kill chimpanzees. Official said she also had an enlarged heart, usually the result of high blood pressure or coronary artery disease that some normally haired chimpanzees also have.
Alopecia universalis is a medical condition involving loss of all hair, including eyebrows and eyelashes. It is an advanced form of alopecia areata. It can occur at any age. Although the exact cause of AU is unknown, it is thought to be an autoimmune condition in which the person's immune system mistakenly attacks the hair follicles. Genetic factors may contribute to AU as approximately 20% of those affected have a family member with alopecia
quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
Those chimpanzees are the victims of the tragic Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.
You made this up
quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
Those primates are very ill with cancer
you made this up
Please stop presenting your theories as if they are facts If you have a theory you should say it's your theory
That would improve your life.
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Ohhh lioness... there you come with your nonsense again...
Do you know where Jumbo the Chimpanzee was born??? and from where he was rescued? As I know, in accordance to Twycross Zoo, which rescued animals, both, Mongo and Jumbo arrived in the Twycross Zoo in 2016, soon later, Mongo died. Where they come from? from Wales? or from a lab? Do you know?
Interesting that the only Chimpanzee that died suddenly and unexpectedly, in the St Louis zoo was Cinder? all other infected with flu virus survived, and still alive?
Now...about improve my life? I am happy married and I love my husband which is a high tech engineer,that went to Africa to trained hundreds of African engineers and technicians to help Africans to improved not only their lives, but, their technical knowhow. By the way, he isn't into history. He is a scientist.
But, a few hundred millions of dollars, wouldn't be that bad, which would help me tocontinuous to donate money to help African American crack addicted children which were abandoned on orphanages by their parents. By the way...have you ever donated any money to help those children rehabilitation?
I also donate money to rescued neglected animals, such as dogs, cats and horses. And of course, to homeless people, when they ask me for help...
HAVE A NICE DAY...lol...
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linoness, the Chimpanzee on the picture you posted is dead. He died in 1999 at Twycross Zoo Jumbo the chocolate color Chimp, developed rashes all over his body, lost his fur, and had to put down... Below is an article about about his skin illness.
GRANDMA Jean Brown reckons she's found a cure for baldness - after testing it successfully on a chimpanzee.
And it looks like earning her pounds 500,000 in the first year after a flood of orders from around the world.
Jean, 64, used her plant and goat milk remedy on Jambo the chocolate chimp at Leicestershire's Twycross Zoo after he developed a rash and began losing his hair.
Jean had just hoped to relieve 15-year-old Jambo's all-over itching. But after her secret balm controlled his rash he sprouted hair for the first time in 18 months.
"I found out later that if I had not been successful Jambo was to be put down next day," said Jean, who runs a company making shampoos, creams and other products from natural ingredients at Countesthorpe, Leics.
"I was treating his rash," she said. But I think I've stumbled on a possible cure for baldness."
The balm - called YvonJean after grandmother-of-eight Jean and her daughter Yvonne - contains over 20 secret ingredients.
Over 30,000 orders for the pounds 12.75 product have poured in. "I am quite bowled over," said Jean. "And I've Jambo to thank for it."
COPYRIGHT 1999 MGN LTD No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder. Copyright 1999 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.
By the way...have a happy New Years...
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linoness, the Chimpanzee on the picture you posted is dead. He died in 1999 at Twycross Zoo Jumbo the chocolate color Chimp, developed rashes all over his body, lost his fur, and had to put down... Below is an article about about his skin illness.
GRANDMA Jean Brown reckons she's found a cure for baldness - after testing it successfully on a chimpanzee.
And it looks like earning her pounds 500,000 in the first year after a flood of orders from around the world.
Jean, 64, used her plant and goat milk remedy on Jambo the chocolate chimp at Leicestershire's Twycross Zoo after he developed a rash and began losing his hair.
Jean had just hoped to relieve 15-year-old Jambo's all-over itching. But after her secret balm controlled his rash he sprouted hair for the first time in 18 months.
"I found out later that if I had not been successful Jambo was to be put down next day," said Jean, who runs a company making shampoos, creams and other products from natural ingredients at Countesthorpe, Leics.
"I was treating his rash," she said. But I think I've stumbled on a possible cure for baldness."
The balm - called YvonJean after grandmother-of-eight Jean and her daughter Yvonne - contains over 20 secret ingredients.
Over 30,000 orders for the pounds 12.75 product have poured in. "I am quite bowled over," said Jean. "And I've Jambo to thank for it."
COPYRIGHT 1999 MGN LTD No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder. Copyright 1999 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.
By the way...have a happy New Years...
please do proper and thorough research. The above article does not say Jambo (spelled with an A not a U) was euthanized. It says had a treatment that if had it not been successful then he would have been euthanized. But it was successful
and this is far too easy to verify with other easily found articles
WATCH: Britain’s hairless 'naked' chimp might have finally found true love ONE of Britain’s few hairless chimpanzees appears to have been struck with the love bug as a romance begins to bloom for the unusual-looking monkey.
Jambo, who gained fame across social media for his hairless, 'naked' appearance, looks to have a summer crush.
The monkey suffers from severe alopecia, or hair loss, which often left him struggling to make strong social connection with other monkeys.
Alopecia is often regarded, as it is in humans, as an outward sign of long-term stress.
^^ an article and video of Jambo aged 33 very much alive in 2016 (and now)
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Lioness, is there any recent articles or videos of this chimpanzee?
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Please don't show me diseased animals, two baboons were shot dead in my backyard a month ago and their skin was just as brown as mine.
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If baboons were shot dead in your backyard they would probably have had hair. As we see with the hairless baboon above the portions of her skin that would not have been covered with fur are dark, the nose, much of the hands and feet wihich are partially exposed. This means if the baboon above had hair you would not see the light parts of her skin
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If baboons were shot dead in your backyard they would probably have had hair. As we see with the hairless baboon above the portions of her skin that would not have been covered with fur are dark, the nose, much of the hands and feet wihich are partially exposed. This means if the baboon above had hair you would not see the light parts of her skin
You're not very smart. Have you ever been close to a baboon? You can see the skin underneath the hair. You need to stop trolling behind your desk and get out sometime.
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Of course, heterogeneity, unlike in Europe where everything looks the same.
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lioness, you fell again to prove your prior statement that Jambo was born at Twycross Zoo and are living there since.In accordance to Twycross Zoo keepers, and spoken person, Jambo and Mongo arrived in the Zoo, in 2016.
I am copying and pasting few paragraphs or what they officially said. If you want to read the entire article you can access the link below.
These strange-looking chimps left zoo keepers baffled By Nicole West Oct 19, 2017
"In 2016",the zoo "brought in two new monkeys" that looked completely different than any visitor had seen before. After a video of them chimps was released online, they immediately became a viral sensation. So who were these two monkeys and what made them look so unusual compared to their fellow chimpanzee peers? The pair of chimps are named Mongo and Jambo.
The zookeepers were apprehensive to "introduce two new chimps" into a group due to their strange appearance. Their concerns might have been valid as these odd looking chimps did not seem to be welcome in a group of other chimps. The way the group of chimps reacted to the new members is distressing and caused many people to express their surprise online.
Two new chimps
Zoo keepers at Twycross in England were worried after they received two curious looking new animals. There were unsure how the other chimpanzees would react to the newcomers and even though they might have a violent response. They prepared for the worst as they released the chimps into his new habitat. The zookeepers were stunned as the chimpanzees interacted.
The spokespeople and Twycross Zoo made it clear that the other chimps were not attacking Mongo and Jumbo because they are hairless. The father and son have actually been accepted into the chimp social circle. The zoo said of the the two, “They are both very active members of the social group, with Jambo being the alpha male.”
Mongo passed away
The statement continued on to reveal that Mongo was very ill and did not recover. “Although Mongo showed no other outward signs of ill health, the health check revealed that he had an infection. […] Regrettably, he failed to recover from the anaesthetic.”
As you can see, there is no history or mention of Jambo and Mongo have been born at Twycross Zoo, in accordance to the Zoo spoken person and the Zoo's keepers. In fact, they were worrying about the reaction from the chimps Zoo's residents, which both Jambo and Mongo were introduced.
Now, about the fur less Baboon from the picture you posted. It is clear that female Baboon was suffering from acute bacterial or Fungal infection, which can cause Alopecia totalis. As you can see the symptoms, as a discoloration all over her body, and a pinkish discoloration around her swollen eyes, which indicates an infection of subcutaneous tissue, and and possible infection of the Bloodstream by fungus. It seems to me she was on advanced stage of progressive Sepsis.
By the way...do you have this female Baboon phone number in Zimbabwe? And please, don't be over stressed, over this, or you may be susceptible to Alopecia Areata Universalis, ending up wearing those cheap Chinese wigs, made with synthetic hair...
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quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr: lioness, you fell again to prove your prior statement that Jambo was born at Twycross Zoo and are living there since.In accordance to Twycross Zoo keepers, and spoken person, Jambo and Mongo arrived in the Zoo, in 2016.
I am copying and pasting few paragraphs or what they officially said. If you want to read the entire article you can access the link below.
These strange-looking chimps left zoo keepers baffled By Nicole West Oct 19, 2017
"In 2016",the zoo "brought in two new monkeys" that looked completely different than any visitor had seen before. After a video of them chimps was released online, they immediately became a viral sensation. So who were these two monkeys and what made them look so unusual compared to their fellow chimpanzee peers? The pair of chimps are named Mongo and Jambo.
The zookeepers were apprehensive to "introduce two new chimps" into a group due to their strange appearance. Their concerns might have been valid as these odd looking chimps did not seem to be welcome in a group of other chimps. The way the group of chimps reacted to the new members is distressing and caused many people to express their surprise online.
Two new chimps
Zoo keepers at Twycross in England were worried after they received two curious looking new animals. There were unsure how the other chimpanzees would react to the newcomers and even though they might have a violent response. They prepared for the worst as they released the chimps into his new habitat. The zookeepers were stunned as the chimpanzees interacted.
The spokespeople and Twycross Zoo made it clear that the other chimps were not attacking Mongo and Jumbo because they are hairless. The father and son have actually been accepted into the chimp social circle. The zoo said of the the two, “They are both very active members of the social group, with Jambo being the alpha male.”
^^ this is not from a credible news source
quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr: linoness, the Chimpanzee on the picture you posted is dead. He died in 1999 at Twycross Zoo Jumbo the chocolate color Chimp, developed rashes all over his body, lost his fur, and had to put down... Below is an article about about his skin illness.
GRANDMA Jean Brown reckons she's found a cure for baldness - after testing it successfully on a chimpanzee.
And it looks like earning her pounds 500,000 in the first year after a flood of orders from around the world.
Jean, 64, used her plant and goat milk remedy on Jambo the chocolate chimp at Leicestershire's Twycross Zoo after he developed a rash and began losing his hair.
Jean had just hoped to relieve 15-year-old Jambo's all-over itching. But after her secret balm controlled his rash he sprouted hair for the first time in 18 months.
"I found out later that if I had not been successful Jambo was to be put down next day," said Jean, who runs a company making shampoos, creams and other products from natural ingredients at Countesthorpe, Leics.
"I was treating his rash," she said. But I think I've stumbled on a possible cure for baldness."
The balm - called YvonJean after grandmother-of-eight Jean and her daughter Yvonne - contains over 20 secret ingredients.
Over 30,000 orders for the pounds 12.75 product have poured in. "I am quite bowled over," said Jean. "And I've Jambo to thank for it."
COPYRIGHT 1999 MGN LTD No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder. Copyright 1999 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.
By the way...have a happy New Years...
^ You must not be keeping track of what you already posted. I have already explained to you that this article does not say the chimpanzee died, obviously. It says had the treatment not worked jambo would have been put down the next day but the treatment did work and the woman who concocted the remedy brags about it's success. It had stopped the itchy rash Jambo had that was becoming very serious.
This account is 1999 at the Tycross zoo. Jambo was not born hairless. He started losing his hair at that time in the late 90s. The woman says "I think I've stumbled on a possible cure for baldness" but as the years went on jambo lost all his hair. The treatment was only effective for the skin rash and severe itching he had.
Those chimpanzees are the victims of the tragic Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. A radioactive cloud fallout all over Europe, including the region where those Chimpanzees were living in the zoo at Atherstone, England, which is beside Wales, one of the most affected region by Chernobyl nuclear contamination.
you have switched up your story numerous times at this point. In this quote you say they chimps were living in the zoo at Atherstone in 1986. The zoo in Atherstone is the Twycross zoo
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Good job lioness. You are doing your home work well...But, you fell to accepted that nuclear contamination and labs are associated with these primates diseases. I also noticed that Nicole West mistaken Jambo for Mongo in her article.
I noticed that you want to prove that Jambo's Alopecia was a natural genetic mutation, what I doubt, due to his skin diseases such as rashes, sores, and his son Mongo's gross neck tumor, from which he died soon after a check up in what the Zoo says was an “enlarged “ air sac”, and cardiovascular disease, which are very common diseases among the population affected by the Chernobyl fallout in Europe, including England's region, where Twycross Zoo is located, and most of it's farms produces were under British government restrictions.
If you don't mind to continuous your search, would be nice, if you check if any Twycross Zoo primates suffered or died from these symptoms before Chernobyl fallout in Britain soon after 1986, or if these diseases started to appear among Twycross Zoo chimps in the 1990s, and before.
Twycross Zoo, is around since 1950's, but was offially opened to the public in 1963 by two females- Nathalie Evans – a pet shop owner, and a daughter of a herbalist Molly Winifred Badham.. You may also verify an association and collaboration between Twycross Zoo located at Atherstone Warwickshire county – England, with GAHP-Global Alliance on health and Pollution located at Atlanta city – US, and Wales Cardiff University department of “Molecular Ecology Laboratory” - and their cutting edge science on biomedical researches resulting in many development of new medications for humans treatments. Actually, Cardiff University is associated with many zoos, which have chimps and gorillas fur less, and skin diseases?
By the way, if you have an extra time, may you please search for how many chimpanzees, carrying skin diseases were named Jambo at Twycross Zoo. And how many chimpanzees named Jambo comes and goes from the zoo. You may also see if you can have access to Twycross zoo Fundraising list, to see who are their donors.
In my sincere opinion Universities and private labs, including the pharmaceutic industries, must be solely financially responsible for all survivor animals well being, after their release from their labs.
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It is your responsibility to correct your delusional and factual unawareness, by first deliberately promulgated an unreliable video evidence of an ailing primate as an example of evolutionary process. Furthermore...it is a subscription, due to your unremitted obtuseness and flaws on subsequent procedures of methodological issues.
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Living Color: The Biological and Social Meaning of Skin Color - Nina G. Jablonski - 2012
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The genus Pan is part of the subfamily Homininae, to which humans also belong. The lineages of chimpanzees[dubious – discuss] and humans separated in a drawn-out process of speciation over the period of roughly between twelve and five million years ago,[16] making them humanity's closest living relative.[17] Research by Mary-Claire King in 1973 found 99% identical DNA between human beings and chimpanzees.[18] For some time, research modified that finding to about 94%[19] commonality, with some of the difference occurring in noncoding DNA, but more recent knowledge states the difference in DNA between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos at just about 1%–1.2% again.
Assuming the ancestors of humans were ape-like and covered in hair, the hair would have been protective against sunlight radiation on the skin. Exposed areas not covered, the face and hands became darker as the pattern we see on the hairless baboon And as the ancestors lost much of their body hair their skin would darken according to the degree of exposure to the sun
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I disagree with was written on above paragraphs of the book you posted.
First at all, chimps, do not born with "pale color skin" as was written in the paragraph of the book you posted, except chimps born in labs.
Newborn chimps has "light brown or light grey skin" and gradually,turned into medium dark brown, and then, dark grey, and sometimes to black skin color, under their coat as they reach adulthood.
Second, not only the back of heir hands, that turned dark because receive more sun luminosity, as was written in the paragraphs of the book you posted, but, as well the palm of their hands which gradually and simultaneously change colors from light grey or light brown, to dark brown, dark grey or black color in their adulthood. The same with their feet, which the sole of their feet turn dark as well in their adulthood.
And please, don't post as an examples, pictures or video of chimpanzee or gorillas having light brown skin color which did not reached their adulthood. Nor, lab or rescued primates which suffer from all types of skin diseases and discolorations, and wildlife monkeys suffering from bacterial or fungus skin infections.
These links below shown the undercoat dark grey color of a health adult chimp, as well the back and the palm of their hands, the back and sole of their feet to be black. Differing from humans which has "pale" colors, both in the palms of their hands, and the sole of their feet.
Actually, I don't want to undermine the writer of the book you posted. Authors of Books and articles write what they want, is up to the reader, to agree or not, in accordance to their knowledge of theoretical subjects.
^^^ This is Jambo from the Twycross zoo in England in 2016 where he was born in 1983 with normal hair. England of course has less intense sunlight than Africa. There are pictures of both of the chimps Mongo and Jambo where their skin varies from this light orange/pinkish color to a light gray color according to how tanned they are at a given time. Jambo still lives at Twycross and he has been hairless for nearly 20 years. .
Again, as we can see in this hairless wild baboon from Zmbabwe the face and part of the hands which are not normally covered with hair are dark. The other parts of the body not covered with hair are dark
This is a normal wild adult chimpanzee from Uganda. His face has large lighter areas and his body under his hair would be much lighter. Other chimpanzees might be black colored in the face
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