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Frankly Kemet
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The term "white passing" denotes someone of mixed or biracial racial background who phenotypically can pass for a white person. An example of white passing is Mariah Carey. My question is what about "
Black passing"? Why does not that term exist? Barak Obama, who biologically is biracial, can also be viewed as black passing.

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LOL. Mariah Carey never claimed to be white.

Obama has some white ancestors--but all whites have black ancestors Are whites "white passing"?. LOL.

Whites are on average 4% Neanderthal and 33% African genetically. see the writings of geneticist Cavalli-Sfroza.

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Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
LOL. Mariah Carey never claimed to be white.

Obama has some white ancestors--but all whites have black ancestors Are whites "white passing"?. LOL.

Whites are on average 4% Neanderthal and 33% African genetically. see the writings of geneticist Cavalli-Sfroza.

You missed my point. Granted Maria is a bad example since she does not socially claim white heritage. But if she did, she would be able to pass as a white person. Do you get my point now? Just as there is white-passing there also should be black-passing (Obama is one example).
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?

Dude, Mariah's phenotype clusters with white folk, skin tone, facial features and hair texture. This is her as a child.

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Whites are on average [...] 33% African genetically. see the writings of geneticist Cavalli-Sfroza. [/QB]

What in the world does "African" mean? You are not telling me anything here. Are you saying Whites are 33% racially black?
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Whites are 33% black. After all, the first Africans were black as evidenced by the Melanesians such as New Guineans and Fijians--who left Africa before the others who became whites.
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In that picture she kinda looks like a cape verdean. As for black passing it comes down mostly to facial features sense hair texture can be overlooked.

http://cvnetworktv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/cv-fogo-kids.gif

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quote:
Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
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Originally posted by lamin:
Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?

Dude, Mariah's phenotype clusters with white folk, skin tone, facial features and hair texture. This is her as a child.

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Maria has explained her childhood and how she has experienced discrimination / racism from whites. Look it up, it’s interesting.
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Whites are 33% black. After all, the first Africans were black as evidenced by the Melanesians such as New Guineans and Fijians--who left Africa before the others who became whites.

Total ignorance. No scientist is on record claiming the original Africans were racially, "Black." This is the figment of your imagination, lamin.
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I would not dispute that. White racists filled with a superiority complex along with their inferiority complected black lackeys still hold onto the one-drop rule. But the point of me using Mariah as an example is to show she can "pass white" as a biracial.


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Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
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Originally posted by lamin:
Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?

Dude, Mariah's phenotype clusters with white folk, skin tone, facial features and hair texture. This is her as a child.

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Maria has explained her childhood and how she has experienced discrimination / racism from whites. Look it up, it’s interesting.

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Obama is biracial. He claims to be "black." Is he "passing black"?

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In that picture she kinda looks like a cape verdean. As for black passing it comes down mostly to facial features sense hair texture can be overlooked.

http://cvnetworktv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/cv-fogo-kids.gif


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quote:
Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
I would not dispute that. White racists filled with a superiority complex along with their inferiority complected black lackeys still hold onto the one-drop rule. But the point of me using Mariah as an example is to show she can "pass white" as a biracial.


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Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
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Originally posted by lamin:
Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?

Dude, Mariah's phenotype clusters with white folk, skin tone, facial features and hair texture. This is her as a child.

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Maria has explained her childhood and how she has experienced discrimination / racism from whites. Look it up, it’s interesting.

Black lackeys want to hold on? Historically there has been a structure in black families. This is how black families survived, this is how the black community survived. Do you understand this concept?

Again, if you listen to her story, you’ll understand.

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It absolutely makes no sense, the one-drop rule. I am sure this tradition has persisted in black families for centuries. Soul food has kept black families closely knit as well. Yet we know Soul food is really bad for your health. One drop rule, fyi, was a racist system applied to blacks. I don't get your point.


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quote:
Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
I would not dispute that. White racists filled with a superiority complex along with their inferiority complected black lackeys still hold onto the one-drop rule. But the point of me using Mariah as an example is to show she can "pass white" as a biracial.


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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
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Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
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Originally posted by lamin:
Error above: Carey looking white? It depends on criteria used. What does her hair look like in its natural form?

Dude, Mariah's phenotype clusters with white folk, skin tone, facial features and hair texture. This is her as a child.

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Maria has explained her childhood and how she has experienced discrimination / racism from whites. Look it up, it’s interesting.

Black lackeys want to hold on? Historically there has been a structure in black families. This is how black families survived, this is how the black community survived. Do you understand this concept?

Again, if you listen to her story, you’ll understand.


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Total ignorance. No scientist is on record claiming the original Africans were racially, "Black." This is the figment of your imagination, lamin.
Most scientists are Eurocentric in terms of interpretation of data, etc. But logical thinking clears things up.

If a subset of those who left Africa but migrated to similar ecologies as those of Africa, the end result would be that they would retain their original African phenotypes. Examples: the Melanesians--as in Fiji, Solomon Islands, etc. Add to that group the Andaman Islanders and the New Guineans and the point is clinched.

On the other hand, those who migrated North into climes that were ecologically different from those of Africa had to adapt to the new environments. As a result, they lost much pigmentation and their hair forms took on different patterns.

Conclusion: whites and Asians descend from the blacks of Africa.

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I figured it was a figment of your imagination. Very convenient of you to yield to the opinion and finding of experts when it suits you but dismiss them when theirs contravene yours.

Black phenotype also is an evolutionary byproduct in Africa; this fact would define black phenotype a subset as well. Homosapien did not look like the groups you named. But nice try there, buddy.

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Total ignorance. No scientist is on record claiming the original Africans were racially, "Black." This is the figment of your imagination, lamin.
Most scientists are Eurocentric in terms of interpretation of data, etc. But logical thinking clears things up.

If a subset of those who left Africa but migrated to similar ecologies as those of Africa, the end result would be that they would retain their original African phenotypes. Examples: the Melanesians--as in Fiji, Solomon Islands, etc. Add to that group the Andaman Islanders and the New Guineans and the point is clinched.

On the other hand, those who migrated North into climes that were ecologically different from those of Africa had to adapt to the new environments. As a result, they lost much pigmentation and their hair forms took on different patterns.

Conclusion: whites and Asians descend from the blacks of Africa.


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Acceptance in the Black Community Only Strengthens the Fight

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es33RHjl74U&t=26s

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This only gives credence to the racist idea white is purity and upgrades or improves other races. And blacks sully any race.

Personally I think biracials are a racial class onto themselves. Further, by seeking to strengthen your numbers with biracials, you are making the same mistake black revolutionaries made when they sought a black and brown alliance. They found out the hard way Hispanics have more in common genetically, phenotypically and culturally with Europeans.

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Acceptance in the Black Community Only Strengthens the Fight

feminewbie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es33RHjl74U&t=26s


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Black phenotype also is an evolutionary byproduct in Africa; this fact would define black phenotype a subset as well. Homosapien did not look like the groups you named. But nice try there, buddy.
LOL. The reconstructions you presented are no more than Eurocentric speculations.

Plus, you just don't seem capable of following logical arguments. Homo sapiens was homo sapiens Africanus--with its African phenotype--when they left Africa whether to Melanesia or to Central Asia.

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No one is disputing the birthplace of Homo sapien. I am just not following YOUR argument as it flies in the face of conventional thought.


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Black phenotype also is an evolutionary byproduct in Africa; this fact would define black phenotype a subset as well. Homosapien did not look like the groups you named. But nice try there, buddy.
LOL. The reconstructions you presented are no more than Eurocentric speculations.

Plus, you just don't seem capable of following logical arguments. Homo sapiens was homo sapiens Africanus--with its African phenotype--when they left Africa whether to Melanesia or to Central Asia.


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quote:
Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
This only gives credence to the racist idea white is purity and upgrades or improves other races. And blacks sully any race.

Personally I think biracials are a racial class onto themselves. Further, by seeking to strengthen your numbers with biracials, you are making the same mistake black revolutionaries made when they sought a black and brown alliance. They found out the hard way Hispanics have more in common genetically, phenotypically and culturally with Europeans.

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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Acceptance in the Black Community Only Strengthens the Fight

feminewbie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es33RHjl74U&t=26s


I found this old Mariah Carey pic.

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quote:
Originally posted by Frankly Kemet:
I figured it was a figment of your imagination. Very convenient of you to yield to the opinion and finding of experts when it suits you but dismiss them when theirs contravene yours.

Black phenotype also is an evolutionary byproduct in Africa; this fact would define black phenotype a subset as well. Homosapien did not look like the groups you named. But nice try there, buddy.

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Originally posted by lamin:
quote:
Total ignorance. No scientist is on record claiming the original Africans were racially, "Black." This is the figment of your imagination, lamin.
Most scientists are Eurocentric in terms of interpretation of data, etc. But logical thinking clears things up.

If a subset of those who left Africa but migrated to similar ecologies as those of Africa, the end result would be that they would retain their original African phenotypes. Examples: the Melanesians--as in Fiji, Solomon Islands, etc. Add to that group the Andaman Islanders and the New Guineans and the point is clinched.

On the other hand, those who migrated North into climes that were ecologically different from those of Africa had to adapt to the new environments. As a result, they lost much pigmentation and their hair forms took on different patterns.

Conclusion: whites and Asians descend from the blacks of Africa.


https://hatobacho.com/oldest-homo-sapiens-fossils-morocco/

Considering the origin of the Homo Sapien, it is very unlike the Homo Sapien looked like that reconstruction.


Compare the Jebel Irhoud to the "recent" African crania from the Morton collection.


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L-606-968. Negro, Born in Africa. This labeling system is characteristic of all the Morton specimens. The Original Morton Collection number is “968.” The L-606-” prefix was added after the collection was transferred to Penn in the mid-1960s (L=loan; 606 is a consecutive loan series number specific to the Morton Collection within the Penn Museum’s cataloging system.


https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/a-historical-osteobiography-of-the-african-crania-in-the-morton-collection/

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