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I normally don't take into consideration of what White Supremacists and friends think about Black People, unless they deserve it. All Hell gets loose, when I go on the offensive against them. Despite this, I been interested in doing a topic about this since I signed onto this site. Given that this site have been said to be the bane of all Euro centered Forums existence, I thought I will discuss this with you all. So, what are all of your thoughts on RationalWiki's article bit on EgyptSearch? I think it's fair to get all of you guys opinions, since this article is setting the record straight about what this website represents. We are the talk of the internet after all!
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I believe the guy who wrote that particular article was Atlantid/Krom, one of our past trolls. Ironically, his politics are diametrically opposed to those of most of the wiki's users, who skew towards the left/liberal side of the spectrum (they are generally pro-social justice and anti-racist).
Unfortunately, it's true that a lot of posters here have been wacky fringe types. I'm not going to name names here, but they know who they are. So I can understand why the site might have a poor reputation among outsiders.
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Lioness, showing RationalWiki’s cliche definition of White Supremacy doesn’t erase the fact that the Website is mainly run by people who share personal views with other young dorky undereducated White know-it-alls, preferably with the less extreme Trolls.
Defensiveness
• the organizational structure is set up and much energy spent trying to prevent abuse and protect power as it exists rather than to facilitate the best out of each person or to clarify who has power and how they are expected to use it
• because of either/or thinking (see below), criticism of those with power is viewed as threatening and inappropriate (or rude)
• people respond to new or challenging ideas with defensiveness, making it very difficult to raise these ideas
• a lot of energy in the organization is spent trying to make sure that people's feelings aren't getting hurt or working around defensive people
• the defensiveness of people in power creates an oppressive culture
Fear of Open Conflict
• people in power are scared of conflict and try to ignore it or run from it
• when someone raises an issue that causes discomfort, the response is to blame the person for raising the issue rather than to look at the issue which is actually causing the problem
• emphasis on being polite
• equating the raising of difficult issues with being impolite, rude, or out of line
Individualism
• little experience or comfort working as part of a team
• people in organization believe they are responsible for solving problems alone
• accountability, if any, goes up and down, not sideways to peers or to those the organization is set up to serve
• desire for individual recognition and credit leads to isolation
• competition more highly valued than cooperation and where cooperation is valued, little time or resources devoted to developing skills in how to cooperate
• creates a lack of accountability, as the organization values those who can get things done on their own without needing supervision or guidance antidotes: include teamwork as an important value in your values statement; make sure the organization is working towards shared goals and people understand how working together will improve performance; evaluate people's ability to work in a team as well as their ability to get the job done; make sure that credit is given to all those who participate in an effort, not just the leaders or most public person; make people accountable as a group rather than as individuals; create a culture where people bring problems to the group; use staff meetings as a place to solve problems, not just a place to report activities
• i'm the only one
• connected to individualism, the belief that if something is going to get done right, I have to do it
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Euro-centered forums? Meaning white-right. I've yet to see a forum dedicated to Euro or so-called "white" people that wasn't simply a nest of Nazis and Kluxers.
I'm still waiting to see a forum which actually wants to discuss Europe and Europeans rather than simply trash everyone else. They'd have to start by investigating the origin of the category "white" in which they so deeply believe---that it was simply a manoeuvre by those in power to separate white from black workers and facilitate the enslavement of the latter.
White-rights, y'all been LIED to and SCREWED and you think you're in charge???
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quote:Originally posted by Baalberith: I normally don't take into consideration of what White Supremacists and friends think about Black People, unless they deserve it. All Hell gets loose, when I go on the offensive against them. Despite this, I been interested in doing a topic about this since I signed onto this site.Given that this site have been said to be the bane of all Euro centered Forums existence, I thought I will discuss this with you all. So, what are all of your thoughts on RationalWiki's article bit on EgyptSearch? I think it's fair to get all of you guys opinions, since this article is setting the record straight about what this website represents. We are the talk of the internet after all!
I'm trying to figure out what you are trying to say here. You are saying Rational wiki is a white supremacist site pretending not to be based on this outdated, lacking entry about Egyptsearch?
Egyptsearch is a crazy, racist Afrocentric pseudohistory forum where black supremacists post such as "Dr." Clyde Winters, Egmond Codfried and Paul Marc Washington.
Most on the forum are strong racialists who argue the ancient Egyptians were "Black"; they ignore all science that has falsified this claim for their own racist agendas.
It's true that in the past a lot of content was crazy pseudohistory such as the emperor Charles V was black and even now a current thread which proposes that white people came about by black people getting trapped in caves for thousands of years. But they overlook a lot of good analysis in other threads about Egyptian history and genetics.
Anyway I think the Rational wiki site is useful sometimes to access sometimes hard to find background information on people who make pseudoscientific and historical revisionist claims and false conspiracy theories.
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quote:Originally posted by Baalberith: I normally don't take into consideration of what White Supremacists and friends think about Black People, unless they deserve it. All Hell gets loose, when I go on the offensive against them. Despite this, I been interested in doing a topic about this since I signed onto this site. Given that this site have been said to be the bane of all Euro centered Forums existence, I thought I will discuss this with you all. So, what are all of your thoughts on RationalWiki's article bit on EgyptSearch? I think it's fair to get all of you guys opinions, since this article is setting the record straight about what this website represents. We are the talk of the internet after all!
They are butthurt that the posters of Egyptsearch put Egypt back in Africa as a Northeast African Nile Valley culture. After many attempts by Eurocentrism to take it out of Africa, and give is to either Europeans or West Asians.
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quote:Originally posted by Tyrannohotep: I believe the guy who wrote that particular article was Atlantid/Krom, one of our past trolls. Ironically, his politics are diametrically opposed to those of most of the wiki's users, who skew towards the left/liberal side of the spectrum (they are generally pro-social justice and anti-racist).
Unfortunately, it's true that a lot of posters here have been wacky fringe types. I'm not going to name names here, but they know who they are. So I can understand why the site might have a poor reputation among outsiders.
Yes, he was one of the contributors. I think he was "Krom". He has vitriol for the posters of Egyptsearch. He out of everybody has the never to accuse others oaf being racist. The irony is almost amusing.
Btw, I see that your name has been removed, but they left the "key-players".
Revision history of "Egyptsearch". You can find more about the contributors by clicking on the names. Most of them have a weird background as well. The last editor is "CogitoNotStirred". The last editor is responsible for most, if not all of the last edits.
quote:Originally posted by Marija: Euro-centered forums? Meaning white-right. I've yet to see a forum dedicated to Euro or so-called "white" people that wasn't simply a nest of Nazis and Kluxers.
I'm still waiting to see a forum which actually wants to discuss Europe and Europeans rather than simply trash everyone else. They'd have to start by investigating the origin of the category "white" in which they so deeply believe---that it was simply a manoeuvre by those in power to separate white from black workers and facilitate the enslavement of the latter.
White-rights, y'all been LIED to and SCREWED and you think you're in charge???
Great points.
We once had a thread like that with some Asian scholar talking about European history and Europeans. This poster Doxie went ballistic over it, screaming and yelling how non-White people should not write about Whites/ Europeans and Europe.
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There appears to be a problem with the RationalWiki theory.
See the paper:
"Some groups (using cemeteries E-01-2, E-03-1, E-03-2, and E-09-4) show some affiliation with sub-Saharan Africans, readable in the pottery assemblage and other grave goods, as well as some morphological features (Irish 2010; Kobusiewicz and Kabaciński 2010; Czekaj-Zastawny and Kabaciński 2015)." Gebel Ramlah—a Unique Newborns’ Cemetery of the Neolithic Sahara. ~Agnieszka Czekaj-Zastawny & Tomasz Goslar & Joel D. Irish & Jacek Kabaciński
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For clarification, yes it's true I created the RationalWiki article on Egyptsearch in July 2015; the draft was written around March, so almost 5 years ago. At that time this forum had a very bad reputation for Melanist pseudoscience, wacky Afrocentrism conspiracy-theories (nutjobs for example arguing Queen Victoria was black..) and one poster had even posted death threats against cops; obviously illegal. So it was out of control as there was no active moderation.
Around June 2017 I got into contact with the admin of the forum (Sam) only after reporting this forum to its web host. A month later, after years of inactivity and refusing to answer his emails, Sam made various new mods here and subsequently a lot of the forum was cleaned up and he deleted a large chunk of posts. I've not posted on this forum since the clean-up- note if it wasn't for me there would be no active moderation on the forum.
In January 2018, out of good faith since this forum is now properly moderated and most of the Melanists were banned - I tried to change the RationalWiki article. Unfortunately my edits weren't approved, but I posted at the time my frustration with the article not being updated.
My rewrite in 2018, simply said this:
quote:''Egyptsearch''' is an online forum dedicated to discussing ancient Egyptian archaeology, history, culture and biological anthropology.
This is very different to my 2015 description :"Egyptsearch is a crazy, racist Afrocentric pseudohistory forum." Anyway, continuing:
quote:The forum was founded as early as 2000. For many years there was no active moderators on the forum, with the admin in 2008 complaining that he would have to charge a fee.
However, new members were made moderators in July 2017. The forum has since tried to clean itself up from black supremacists who used to spam the forum when it was unmoderated, for example users Mike111 and Egmond Codfried have been banned. Curiously though Clyde Winters remains.
For unknown reasons, these edit(s) weren't approved. I was a sysop on RationalWiki from 2012-2019, but quit months back so I don't plan to again try to change it. As for RationalWiki, it originally started out as a fairly decent site to criticise pseudoscience (creationism, astrology etc), the problem is over the years it was infiltrated by hard left-wing SJWs and everything was politicised. I complained about this while editing as Krom in 2015; I was finally kicked off the site by the SJW cabal last year.
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quote:Originally posted by Cryptid: nutjobs for example arguing Queen Victoria was black..)
I am not going to claim the above, simply because I don't know. However, do you think 300 years for now Meghan is going to be remembered as the first black royal in British history? Or is she going to be disregarded as Sophie Charlotte?
quote: The forum has since tried to clean itself up from black supremacists who used to spam the forum when it was unmoderated, for example users Mike111 and Egmond Codfried have been banned. Curiously though Clyde Winters remains.
1) There is not such thing as Black supremacy. In order for that to be, one needs to be in control of systems.
2) Most people doubted that Mike was even Black. Some of the things he claimed about the Black presence in Europe seemed to abhorred.
3) The first time I heard of Egmond was on a Dutch-Caribbean forum, where he stated that he had access to dedicated libraries and had found certain sources, we came to know later on. I can't confirm any of this to be true, but that is what was claimed by him.
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Curiously though Clyde Winters remains.
Probably because he makes use of peer reviewed scientific sources that he's critical about. You can't ban people for that. The man has more degrees than most of use, including you.
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quote: Su·prem·a·cy | \ sə-ˈpre-mə-sē , sü- also -ˈprē- \ plural supremacies Definition of supremacy : the quality or state of being supreme also : supreme authority or power
Definition of domination 1 : supremacy or preeminence over another 2 : exercise of mastery or ruling power 3 : exercise of preponderant, governing, or controlling influence 4 plural : dominion 3
quote:domination (n.) Look up domination at Dictionary.com late 14c., "rule, control," from Old French dominacion (12c.) "domination, rule, power," from Latin dominationem (nominative dominatio), noun of action from past participle stem of dominari "to rule, have dominion over," from dominus "lord, master," literally "master of the house," from domus "home" (see domestic) + -nus, suffix denoting ownership or relation. Sexual sense by 1961.
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yes when you but the suffix "ist" on the word supremacy it means a person who believes their race should be in power but it doesn't mean they are necessarily in power.
again -ist suffix
a person who believes or practices something
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commune
a group of people who live together and share responsibilities, possessions, etc.
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an adherent or advocate of communism _________
A communist could live in a communist society or a capitalist society. The "ist" means it is their belief system but it doesn't have to be their physical reality A commune is an actual community of people sharing resources
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: yes when you but the suffix "ist" on the word supremacy it means a person who believes their race should be in power but it doesn't mean they are necessarily in power.
again -ist suffix
a person who believes or practices something
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commune
a group of people who live together and share responsibilities, possessions, etc.
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communist
an adherent or advocate of communism _________
A communist could live in a communist society or a capitalist society. The "ist" means it is their belief system but it doesn't have to be their physical reality A commune is an actual community of people sharing resources
That is gobbledegook talk. I already gave you the meaning that is by the dictionary. Somehow you try to redirect the meaning of the origin word. lol You are not a linguist, so stop it with this silly game.
quote:supremacist (n.) by 1948, originally with reference to racial beliefs and in most cases with white, from supremacy + -ist. Compare supremist. Related: Supremacism.
quote: communist 1841, as both a noun and adjective, from French communiste, from commun (Old French comun "common, general, free, open, public;" see common (adj.)) + -iste (see -ist).
quote:common (adj.) c. 1300, "belonging to all, owned or used jointly, general, of a public nature or character," from Old French comun "common, general, free, open, public" (9c., Modern French commun), from Latin communis "in common, public, shared by all or many; general, not specific; familiar, not pretentious." This is from a reconstructed PIE compound *ko-moin-i- "held in common," compound adjective formed from *ko- "together" + *moi-n-, suffixed form of root *mei- (1) "to change, go, move," hence literally "shared by all."
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: A communist could live in a communist society or a capitalist society. The "ist" means it is their belief system but it doesn't have to be their physical reality A commune is an actual community of people sharing resources
A communist in a capitalistic society is powerless.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: A communist could live in a communist society or a capitalist society. The "ist" means it is their belief system but it doesn't have to be their physical reality A commune is an actual community of people sharing resources
A communist in a capitalistic society is powerless.
but they are still an ist
and groups that are different from the ruling groups are not completely powerless. They can still have political influence and become more powerful if the politics of a nation changes.
Also even an individual, if they kill another person or commit a another crime against another person and are not caught they have been able to use their power to take away someone else's life. The fact that that is possible does not mean they are completely powerless. >> If they were completely powerless no one could get away with any crime >> or even commit a crime.
Power has different levels
If a government had complete power no one could even commit a crime.
They don't want people breaking their laws even if they get punished for it
The fact that people commit crimes means the government does not have complete power.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: but they are still an ist
and groups that are different from the ruling groups are not completely powerless.
This ramble is called projection.
quote: They can still have political influence and become more powerful if the politics of a nation changes.
The above is a bunch of gobbledegook, because the vast major of the Black people don't even have such mindset.
White people have created this term and created a system that serves them best over Black peoples lives. That is the historical fact.
quote: Also even an individual, if they kill another person or commit a another crime against another person and are not caught they have been able to use their power to take away someone else's life.
The above is a bunch of gobbledegook. Especially when you conflate law enforcement and the criminal justice system into it.
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