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Hi forum....

I've been a long time lurker and fan of this forum and check by every so often to check for news regarding Ancient Egypt.

What really made me sign up after all these years and make this topic was this thread I read over. Topic: what do you think of these Amarna pop affiliator results by Keita et al. ? in the Egyptology section where a user was asking about Keitas STR Data and a user named Beyoku responded in the thread with the following:

"Black folk steadily getting played with feelgoodism fancy editing.

STR results from one set of mummies do not trump SNP results from a totally separate unrelated group of mummies. New studies putting a foot in that ass while we regurgitate 15 year old data with no new analysis. Rude Awakenings coming. Prepare."



He's absolutely right 110%! The sad part is I actually remember Ketia warning against the racialist model and saying the very same thing and even myself dismissing it all those years back thinking he was just trying to be appease white folk. But I'm realizing this issue is far bigger than just Ketia or a set of genetic data it's a general lack of foresight and critical thinking skills I see in a lot of black folk not all of us but a large percentage of us and I feel this has been a massive problem for us blacks for a very long time. We tend to have a very bad habit of leading into situations with our emotion ie: "feelgoodism" where critical thinking is not utilized or respected within our communities:

You see it in the things we prioritize as a community, our spending habits, our voting habits (voting democrats every 4 years despite them not doing a damn thing for Blacks in America) the way few of us like prioritizing for the distant future. Our over extension and kindness to Non-African foreigners when they rarely extend the same level of kindness back towards Black/Africans.

It reminds me of a quote from the Arab writer Al-Jahiz which stated:

"We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions."


As much as I hate that quote I kinda have to agree with it because I just see it in too many black people to ignore. Just for the record I believe the issue isnot so much a lack of intelligence but a serious lack of foresight that seems to be our biggest issue in my opinion.

Another issue I've noticed is a lack of "pre-emptive thinking" and what I mean by that is when you look at modern day Egyptology notice it has changed from the old racialist models of "Black vs White" and it was primarily European Egyptologists who have acknowledged this change while too many black people who are interested in Egypt hold on to racialist models of the 1960's and 1970's. We as black people are being left in the dust because too many hold onto OLD ways of thinking and again I've have noticed this issue extends far beyond just Egyptology. Just look at the old days when we were back in Africa and how too many of us were too reliant on Oral tradition (I'm NOT suggesting we did not have written history/traditions because that is a Eurocentric LIE) However we definitely relied far too much on Oral tradition compared to other peoples such as European or Mediterranean civilizations. Just look at how the Moroccan empire under Saadi leadership secured weapons from Spanish Europeans which enabled them to easily dispatched of the Songhai Empire and control their gold mines. Ironically It was Mali and Songhai (as well as their Kings) that had all the gold and wealth in Muslim Africa so why didn't we import superior weapons for ourselves before hand? Another example is the way Africans still separate themselves by tribe in freaking 2023. Africans refused to unify to fight Europeans whom themselves were unified during colonialism and STILL to this day Africans refuse to unify in any shape or form even when you've two tribes who look EXACTLY the same example: Yoruba & Igbo or Soninke and Mandinka.


Note how Eurocentric Egyptologists before used a Black vs White model in order to secure victory than they changed to a Negroid vs Caucasoid skull/cranium model now they're using a Eurasian vs Sub-Saharan model in genetics as their model.


One thing about Europeans, white folk whatever you want to call them is they respect the need to innovate and change while too many Black folks are just happy to live ignorantly and care free as long as we feel good in the present moment in time there's no need for us to innovate or change.

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Lmao.
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quote:
Originally posted by LoStranger:
Hi forum....

I've been a long time lurker and fan of this forum and check by every so often to check for news regarding Ancient Egypt.

What really made me sign up after all these years and make this topic was this thread I read over. Topic: what do you think of these Amarna pop affiliator results by Keita et al. ? in the Egyptology section where a user was asking about Keitas STR Data and a user named Beyoku responded in the thread with the following:

"Black folk steadily getting played with feelgoodism fancy editing.

STR results from one set of mummies do not trump SNP results from a totally separate unrelated group of mummies. New studies putting a foot in that ass while we regurgitate 15 year old data with no new analysis. Rude Awakenings coming. Prepare."



He's absolutely right 110%! The sad part is I actually remember Ketia warning against the racialist model and saying the very same thing and even myself dismissing it all those years back thinking he was just trying to be appease white folk. But I'm realizing this issue is far bigger than just Ketia or a set of genetic data it's a general lack of foresight and critical thinking skills I see in a lot of black folk not all of us but a large percentage of us and I feel this has been a massive problem for us blacks for a very long time. We tend to have a very bad habit of leading into situations with our emotion ie: "feelgoodism" where critical thinking is not utilized or respected within our communities:

You see it in the things we prioritize as a community, our spending habits, our voting habits (voting democrats every 4 years despite them not doing a damn thing for Blacks in America) the way few of us like prioritizing for the distant future. Our over extension and kindness to Non-African foreigners when they rarely extend the same level of kindness back towards Black/Africans.

It reminds me of a quote from the Arab writer Al-Jahiz which stated:

"We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions."


As much as I hate that quote I kinda have to agree with it because I just see it in too many black people to ignore. Just for the record I believe the issue isnot so much a lack of intelligence but a serious lack of foresight that seems to be our biggest issue in my opinion.

Another issue I've noticed is a lack of "pre-emptive thinking" and what I mean by that is when you look at modern day Egyptology notice it has changed from the old racialist models of "Black vs White" and it was primarily European Egyptologists who have acknowledged this change while too many black people who are interested in Egypt hold on to racialist models of the 1960's and 1970's. We as black people are being left in the dust because too many hold onto OLD ways of thinking and again I've have noticed this issue extends far beyond just Egyptology. Just look at the old days when we were back in Africa and how too many of us were too reliant on Oral tradition (I'm NOT suggesting we did not have written history/traditions because that is a Eurocentric LIE) However we definitely relied far too much on Oral tradition compared to other peoples such as European or Mediterranean civilizations. Just look at how the Moroccan empire under Saadi leadership secured weapons from Spanish Europeans which enabled them to easily dispatched of the Songhai Empire and control their gold mines. Ironically It was Mali and Songhai (as well as their Kings) that had all the gold and wealth in Muslim Africa so why didn't we import superior weapons for ourselves before hand? Another example is the way Africans still separate themselves by tribe in freaking 2023. Africans refused to unify to fight Europeans whom themselves were unified during colonialism and STILL to this day Africans refuse to unify in any shape or form even when you've two tribes who look EXACTLY the same example: Yoruba & Igbo or Soninke and Mandinka.


Note how Eurocentric Egyptologists before used a Black vs White model in order to secure victory than they changed to a Negroid vs Caucasoid skull/cranium model now they're using a Eurasian vs Sub-Saharan model in genetics as their model.


One thing about Europeans, white folk whatever you want to call them is they respect the need to innovate and change while too many Black folks are just happy to live ignorantly and care free as long as we feel good in the present moment in time there's no need for us to innovate or change.



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Vote democratic every 4 years? What are you saying elections aren't only held every 4 years in the US. Elections for different issues & initiatives have to decided isn't that done in the UK also?
Some US Blacks are lax/deficient in their knowledge of basic civics definitely. In 2018 in a big US city I talked with an election worker who didn't know mid terms an election held nationally was vital in helping your president get legislation passed in Congress. She was in her 50's & said we didn't know mid terms were important elections! Guess if the supreme court overturned roe vs Wade in 2014 more young voters would've voted.

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Some Whites lack critical thinking skills due to Q anon being popular.Sad that it clouds/obfuscates thinking for POC folks of all ethnicities/colors too.

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Orientals have tribal animosities also.Chinese hold bitterness vs Japanese while they & Koreans are racist towards Filipinos & Chinese hate Tibetans & Malayalams. Europeans have tribal hatred with Croats vs Serbs & Germans vs other European tribes before religious differences are in play.Irish vs British/English tribal animosities.Russians vs Ukrainians more European tribal animosities.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tehutimes:
Some Whites lack critical thinking skills due to Q anon being popular.Sad that it clouds/obfuscates thinking for POC folks of all ethnicities/colors too.

In my experience, most people regardless of nationality or ethnicity vacillate in their willingness to apply critical thinking depending on the situation. Everyone trusts some sources more than others. Look at conspiracy theorists, for example. They may fall hook, line, and sinker for whatever garbage Alex Jones or QAnon spout, but they're more than willing to apply their "critical thinking" skills to dispute whatever contradicts their preferred narratives. They are skeptical on a selective basis, and the same is true for the majority of humanity.

To be sure, some people appear more susceptible to magical or conspiratorial thinking than others. I don't know if that is necessarily because they are less intelligent or more gullible by nature. It seems more likely to me that their worldviews are more accommodating to certain irrational beliefs. If you believe in the existence of the supernatural, for example, you'll be more likely to believe in stuff like gods, ghosts, or astrology than you would if you didn't. In some cases, our beliefs reflect our social or political loyalties more than anything else. Look at all the Republicans who went anti-vaxx simply because of how their Dear Leader Drumpf tried to sweep the whole COVID pandemic under the rug back in 2020.

And, then, of course, there's also our personal desires for things to be a certain way getting into the mix.

Point being, we're not the rational primates we claim to be.

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Interesting thread. Also I remember your name from the Coli.
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