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Thanks KING for showing these images- so often ignored. Almost all of the above would fit right into American as African-American.
And then of course we have this unpopular fellow below..
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Indigenous peoples of Egypt [Kemet] and the Nile Valley documented alongside an ancient temple wall during the early colonial era of Egypt. Photographed by the Zangaki Brothers 1860-1890. #Africa
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Pretty much all of the people you are posting have heavy Middle Eastern blood.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: Pretty much all of the people you are posting have heavy Middle Eastern blood.
Hard for anyone in North Africa to remain perfectly unaltered by outside gene flow over thousands of years. But still, you have to admit, they likely come closer than most to resembling AE.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey: Indigenous peoples of Egypt [Kemet] and the Nile Valley documented alongside an ancient temple wall during the early colonial era of Egypt. Photographed by the Zangaki Brothers 1860-1890. #Africa
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Can someone please explain the obsession with the arabised turko-bedouin phenotype and exactly where you see that represented in Ancient Egypt... because I DONT SEE IT. Have you guys just been consistently getting your arses handed to yourself by eurocentrists to the point you've fully conceded that AE were levantine admixed? Wth is going on here.
AE depicted themselves as jet black to red brown...NOT biege!
This is red brown:
The full range of ancient Egyptian phenotypic diversity can be found within the continent of Africa WITHOUT admixture. Stop all this arab worship, many of these people are bedouin or greco-turkic Arabs with trace amounts of african blood. Stop acting like the ancient Egyptian phenotype can only be achieved with outside admixture.
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Can someone please explain the obsession with the arabised turko-bedouin phenotype and exactly where you see that represented in Ancient Egypt... because I DONT SEE IT. Have you guys just been consistently getting your arses handed to yourself by eurocentrists to the point you've fully conceded that AE were levantine admixed? Wth is going on here.
AE depicted themselves as jet black to red brown...NOT biege!
This is red brown:
The full range of ancient Egyptian phenotypic diversity can be found within the continent of Africa WITHOUT admixture. Stop all this arab worship, many of these people are bedouin or greco-turkic Arabs with trace amounts of african blood. Stop acting like the ancient Egyptian phenotype can only be achieved with outside admixture.
Do you feel* that some of the photos posted in this thread depict bedouin or greco-turkic Arabs with trace amounts of african blood? If so please show us some of the ones you think fall into this impurity, thanks
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This is just modern Egyptian boy. I'm sure he's lovely but exactly how much African ancestry does he have and where on earth did you see any part of this phenotype reflected in AE. This is not a representation of red brown kemites at all. Who on earth would declare this is closest thing to AE? That's preposterous.
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This is just modern Egyptian boy. I'm sure he's lovely but exactly how much African ancestry does he have and where on earth did you see any part of this phenotype reflected in AE. This is not a representation of red brown kemites at all. Who on earth would declare this is closest thing to AE? That's preposterous.
yes the skin tone is different what do you see as other differences in phenotype?
This is just modern Egyptian boy. I'm sure he's lovely but exactly how much African ancestry does he have and where on earth did you see any part of this phenotype reflected in AE. This is not a representation of red brown kemites at all. Who on earth would declare this is closest thing to AE? That's preposterous.
yes the skin tone is different what do you see as other differences in phenotype?
Also thutmose 3
Once again I will stress all AE phenotypes are represented within the continent without outside admixture.
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No arab admixture required to achieve any phenotype from AE. Bare in mind the reason we have a skew towards the more fringe phenotypes is because the unquestionably African pnes were vandalised... or fixed... or in hidden collections... dont fall for the okey doke
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No arab admixture required to achieve any phenotype from AE.
was there any mixing going on in Egypt between Egyptians and any population outside of Egypt prior to the Assyrian invasion in 671 BCE?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: was there any mixing going on in Egypt between Egyptians and any population outside of Egypt prior to the Assyrian invasion in 671 BCE?
It would have been strange if no Egyptians ever married, or made babies with people also from outside of Africa, thinking about the contacts Egypt had with people from the Levant and Middle East. Just think about the Hyksos, think about trading partners or about marriage diplomacy of different kinds
quote: No obstacles seem to have been put in the way of marriage between people of different racial background. An Egyptian could marry a Syrian or Nubian girl, and an Egyptian woman could become a foreigner's wife. The kings themselves might take princesses from abroad as secondary wives. Ramesses II, for example, wed the Hittite princess Maathornefrerure and granted her the same title of 'Great King's Wife' as he did to his principal wife Nefertari.
So it is not impossible that some boy in ancient Egypt actually looked like in this picture. He may not be typical for the bulk of ancient Egyptian population but one can hardly tell with certainty that no one ever looked that way.
Maybe we tend to underestimate the variation in AE. Especially since we have just DNA tested a tiny fraction of all mummies and other human remains in Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: was there any mixing going on in Egypt between Egyptians and any population outside of Egypt prior to the Assyrian invasion in 671 BCE?
It would have been strange if no Egyptians ever married, or made babies with people also from outside of Africa, thinking about the contacts Egypt had with people from the Levant and Middle East. Just think about the Hyksos, think about trading partners or about marriage diplomacy of different kinds
quote: No obstacles seem to have been put in the way of marriage between people of different racial background. An Egyptian could marry a Syrian or Nubian girl, and an Egyptian woman could become a foreigner's wife. The kings themselves might take princesses from abroad as secondary wives. Ramesses II, for example, wed the Hittite princess Maathornefrerure and granted her the same title of 'Great King's Wife' as he did to his principal wife Nefertari.
So it is not impossible that some boy in ancient Egypt actually looked like in this picture. He may not be typical for the bulk of ancient Egyptian population but one can hardly tell with certainty that no one ever looked that way.
Maybe we tend to underestimate the variation in AE. Especially since we have just DNA tested a tiny fraction of all mummies and other human remains in Egypt. [/QB]
This is a very fair point and I concur this is certainly within the realms of possibility. What I have an issue with is in the hunt for phenotypic variance we are looking outside of the continent, subconsciously relinquishing to the belief that those features were inherited. Yet, if you look at nations like Chad, Uganda, Nigeria... each nation has the complete feature set of kemetic variety without copious amounts of recent eurasian admixture. The fula tribe alone covers every single phenotype found in Kemet.
If I felt the picture thread was more balanced towards this indigenous variance I probably wouldn't have said anything.
Sometimes I don't think Americans are truly aware of the phenotype diversity that exists in each and every African state... if they did they wouldn't make statements like Beyoku claiming ancient Egyptians didn't look like Ghanaians... its embarrassingly ignorant.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes: What I have an issue with is in the hunt for phenotypic variance we are looking outside of the continent, subconsciously relinquishing to the belief that those features were inherited. Yet, if you look at nations like Chad, Uganda, Nigeria... each nation has the complete feature set of kemetic variety without copious amounts of recent eurasian admixture. The fula tribe alone covers every single phenotype found in Kemet.
If I felt the picture thread was more balanced towards this indigenous variance I probably wouldn't have said anything.
Sometimes I don't think Americans are truly aware of the phenotype diversity that exists in each and every African state
quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes:
This is just modern Egyptian boy. I'm sure he's lovely but exactly how much African ancestry does he have and where on earth did you see any part of this phenotype reflected in AE. This is not a representation of red brown kemites at all. Who on earth would declare this is closest thing to AE? That's preposterous.
It depends on who is deciding what traits are indigenous to Africa or not
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Mahmoud Farouk, guardian of the southern portion of the Amun enclosure at Karnak.
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