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How come some ethiopians are literally white skinned ? Because of their south arabian ancestors ? That would be really impressive after all those centuries.
Here some examples :
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The second and third pictures are clearly mixed Ethiopians. Habeshas(Amharas, Tigrays, etc) can be very light skinned but not THAT light skinned. I did not see any Hebeshas that looked like the second and third anywhere in Addis Ababa when I went.
But yea their lighter skin complexion could be Southern Arabian ancestry but doesn't explain the more darker skinned Hebeshas who have just as much South Arabian ancestry.
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: The second and third pictures are clearly mixed Ethiopians. Habeshas(Amharas, Tigrays, etc) can be very light skinned but not THAT light skinned. I did not see any Hebeshas that looked like the second and third anywhere in Addis Ababa when I went.
But yea their lighter skin complexion could be Southern Arabian ancestry but doesn't explain the more darker skinned Hebeshas who have just as much South Arabian ancestry.
No I made sure that those are fully ethiopian examples that's why I'm surprised.
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: The second and third pictures are clearly mixed Ethiopians. Habeshas(Amharas, Tigrays, etc) can be very light skinned but not THAT light skinned. I did not see any Hebeshas that looked like the second and third anywhere in Addis Ababa when I went.
But yea their lighter skin complexion could be Southern Arabian ancestry but doesn't explain the more darker skinned Hebeshas who have just as much South Arabian ancestry.
No I made sure that those are fully ethiopian examples that's why I'm surprised.
Source? Because the second one is definitely not how a typical Afro-Asiatic speaking Ethiopian looks. lol. And I'm not even tryna hate. He barely even looks Southern Arabian to me.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] They're lighter than many South Arabians...like the Socotrans and Mehri, who have the highest concentration of J1
Most southern arabs aren't that dark and J1-M267 appeared in the region during Chalcolithic/Bronze age and came from around the caucasus-Zagros region.
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^^^^One of my mom's friends who was a doctor was from Ethiopia and she was that skin color, (of the first woman)...High Yellow, with long hair...she did'nt look "mixed" in the African American sense....Like I can't explain it.
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: The second and third pictures are clearly mixed Ethiopians. Habeshas(Amharas, Tigrays, etc) can be very light skinned but not THAT light skinned. I did not see any Hebeshas that looked like the second and third anywhere in Addis Ababa when I went.
But yea their lighter skin complexion could be Southern Arabian ancestry but doesn't explain the more darker skinned Hebeshas who have just as much South Arabian ancestry.
No I made sure that those are fully ethiopian examples that's why I'm surprised.
Source? Because the second one is definitely not how a typical Afro-Asiatic speaking Ethiopian looks. lol. And I'm not even tryna hate. He barely even looks Southern Arabian to me.
His name is kefelegn zelelew. He made some interviews/conference on the internet go check them.
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True but most South Arabians are not that light either, in the case of the 2nd and 3rd...
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] They're lighter than many South Arabians...like the Socotrans and Mehri, who have the highest concentration of J1
Most southern arabs aren't that dark and J1-M267 appeared in the region during Chalcolithic/Bronze age and came from around the caucasus-Zagros region.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: True but most South Arabians are not that light either, in the case of the 2nd and 3rd...
quote:Originally posted by Antalas:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] They're lighter than many South Arabians...like the Socotrans and Mehri, who have the highest concentration of J1
Most southern arabs aren't that dark and J1-M267 appeared in the region during Chalcolithic/Bronze age and came from around the caucasus-Zagros region.
A good part of yemenites are as light as those examples and even those who do not exhibit this trait may still possess the alleles responsible for it. Therefore, it is possible that for those ethiopians it's due to a combination of sexual selection and endogamy ? Really intriguing...
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: His name is kefelegn zelelew. He made some interviews/conference on the internet go check them. [/QB]
Trying to find images or info on his parents, because that is not a typical Hebasha look bro. lol. Heck I may even ask my brother in law who is Ethiopian to what his origins are. At most his phenotype is an outlier. But... He seems to do a lot for Ethiopia.
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: The first one yea is typical Hebesha phenotype.
She would pass easily in Egypt that's for sure.
This post sounds quite "Afrocentric" you know that right?
lol not really since that's just a random overlap and even dark skinned ethiopians are closer to NAs/MEs than west/central/south africans
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: His name is kefelegn zelelew. He made some interviews/conference on the internet go check them.
Trying to find images or info on his parents, because that is not a typical Hebasha look bro. lol. Heck I may even ask my brother in law who is Ethiopian to what his origins are. At most his phenotype is an outlier. But... He seems to do a lot for Ethiopia. [/QB]
Yes Ask some ethiopians if you can but I'm pretty sure he's fully ethiopian
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Socially it probably stems from a "preference" for light skinned women why some Ethiopian are light.
Genetically,I thought a mutation in the SLC24A5 that Habeshas acquired from Eurasians is why some Ethiopians are light,on top of a natural variation in African people.
kefelegn zelelew,his complexion looks weird,I wonder if he has vitiligo as he has that bleached skin look. He looks ethnic and non-ethnic at the same time.
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Yeah,I think kefelegn zelelew has vitiligo as just seen a clip of him on Twitter and he had a cow like patch of melanin around his ear.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: lol not really since that's just a random overlap and even dark skinned ethiopians are closer to NAs/MEs than west/central/south africans
Do Ethiopians and other Horners not have partial SSA? lol. You're referring to their Eurasian side. More importantly Egyptians/Ancient Egyptians being related to Horners is an "Afrocentric" argument.
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Most Horny African are geographically SSA so I don't know what Antalas is talking about.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: lol not really since that's just a random overlap and even dark skinned ethiopians are closer to NAs/MEs than west/central/south africans
Do Ethiopians and other Horners not have partial SSA? lol. You're referring to their Eurasian side. More importantly Egyptians/Ancient Egyptians being related to Horners is an "Afrocentric" argument.
North africans are also part SSA and that's not afrocentric since I could have done the same with any other ethnicity that can sometimes overlap with us + most ethiopians do not look like her she seems to be predominantly eurasian probably above 50-60%
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Some of those are clearly mixed and not fully Ethiopian, its trolling to suggest otherwise.
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Nobody knows what ancient South Arabians looked like, you can't use all of the modern populations as proxies for the ancients.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: [QB] How come some ethiopians are literally white skinned ? Because of their south arabian ancestors ? That would be really impressive after all those centuries.
Here some examples :
Kefelegn Zelelew
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: North africans are also part SSA and that's not afrocentric since I could have done the same with any other ethnicity that can sometimes overlap with us + most ethiopians do not look like her she seems to be predominantly eurasian probably above 50-60% [/QB]
She looks like a very pale Habesha. You should visit Addis. Do you have other pictures of her? That way I can get a clear picture. She could easily be mistaken for a Dominican in Newark, NJ in my opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: North africans are also part SSA and that's not afrocentric since I could have done the same with any other ethnicity that can sometimes overlap with us + most ethiopians do not look like her she seems to be predominantly eurasian probably above 50-60%
She looks like a very pale Habesha. You should visit Addis. Do you have other pictures of her? That way I can get a clear picture. She could easily be mistaken for a Dominican in Newark, NJ in my opinion. [/QB]
sure :
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On average, Ethiopians are not that light, most are them dark, not Dinka dark, but have medium brown skin. I find it funny that Antalas tries to whitewash lower Nubians and Horners while getting angry at Afrocentrists who he thinks are trying to blackwash Berbers. A lot of the Horners that he thinks are 38-45% "Eurasian" are not these cherrypicked lightskinned Ethiopians he's trying to pass off in this topic, most of them are darkskinned people
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Today one can not trust anyone on the net, some use makeup, others use filters so they will look younger, some bleach their skin, others go to a solarium to look more brown then they usually are.
Interesting though that she is 51% Middle East according to that DNA test, and 36% Africa southeastern Bantu and 13% other regions. And she was surprised that she according to the test had no Ethiopian.
Here is a video where she transforms from dark to relatively light through makeup. Like putting on a mask.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Today one can not trust anyone on the net, some use makeup, others use filters so they will look younger, some bleach their skin, others go to a solarium to look more brown then they usually are.
Interesting though that she is 51% Middle East according to that DNA test, and 36% Africa southeastern Bantu and 13% other regions. And she was surprised that she according to the test had no Ethiopian.
Maybe she's adopted because Amharas definitely have no Bantu ancestry
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Here is a guy who is 99,7% Ethiopian and Eritrean. The woman is Sudanese with sprinkles of North African and South Asian
Hard to tell their natural skin color, one does not know how the lightning is, and if she wears makeup. But they talk about him being light skinned, without being mixed.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Today one can not trust anyone on the net, some use makeup, others use filters so they will look younger, some bleach their skin, others go to a solarium to look more brown then they usually are.
Aysha Harun, youtube
I don't think it's a "trust" issue The banner at the top of her youtube page shows her brushing her makeup Her made up face is not drastically lighter, it's slightly lighter and yellower
When you post the video I could tell she had heavy makeup on. She accents by color, for instance giving the illusion of higher cheekbones, a lot of this is just general makeup stuff women do
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"I come from the tribe of headed for the city of Keta and it's a very very small tribe there's like I don't know less than 30,000 people that speak the language in the world... I ended up ordering from what's called 23andme because a lot of people in my comments actually recommended that I tried 23andme instead of Ancestry
it says that my ancestry composition is 91.6% East Africa..
it says I am 92% sub-Saharan African so within that it says East African and under that it says
it actually does say 91.6% Ethiopian and it says point there 0.2% West African and 0.3% broadly sub-saharan African so I'm not really sure what sub-saharan African is but I think that's around the same region the 0.2% West African...
It says I'm 6.9% Western Asian and North African so North African and Arabian is 5.6 %, Western Asian is 0.2 percent and broadly Western Asian and North African is 1.1 % So I'm guessing the 5.6%, I guess I'm not really Middle Eastern at all, the five point six percent North African I would assume that is Egyptian.. and then it says I'm .5% European Posts: 42919 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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^^ The guy in the other video I sent said he got 97% Ethiopian, while the first girl got first 51% Middle East with ancestry DNA and after that she got another result with 23andMe. When I wrote the comment calling it interesting I had not seen your addition about her new DNA test yet.
So I see now that they are much more close to each other with the new test.
One can wonder though if the two companies often get so different results.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: ^^ The guy in the other video I sent said he got 97% Ethiopian, while the first girl got first 51% Middle East with ancestry DNA and after that she got another result with 23andMe. When I wrote the comment calling it interesting I had not seen your addition about her new DNA test yet.
So I see now that they are much more close to each other with the new test.
One can wonder though if the two companies often get so different results.
23andme used to be the same way when it first launched, Horners were getting results showing 90% European/Middle Eastern
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quote:Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: On average, Ethiopians are not that light, most are them dark, not Dinka dark, but have medium brown skin. I find it funny that Antalas tries to whitewash lower Nubians and Horners while getting angry at Afrocentrists who he thinks are trying to blackwash Berbers. A lot of the Horners that he thinks are 38-45% "Eurasian" are not these cherrypicked lightskinned Ethiopians he's trying to pass off in this topic, most of them are darkskinned people
Who said on average they are that light ? I was simply trying to understand where it comes from. Are you triggered by this because they don't fit into your definition of "black" ?
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quote:Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: On average, Ethiopians are not that light, most are them dark, not Dinka dark, but have medium brown skin. I find it funny that Antalas tries to whitewash lower Nubians and Horners while getting angry at Afrocentrists who he thinks are trying to blackwash Berbers. A lot of the Horners that he thinks are 38-45% "Eurasian" are not these cherrypicked lightskinned Ethiopians he's trying to pass off in this topic, most of them are darkskinned people
Who said on average they are that light ? I was simply trying to understand where it comes from. Are you triggered by this because they don't fit into your definition of "black" ?
Why would I be triggered? You're making no sense, no need to address that. Did you cherry pick those light skinned people to make the argument that Horners are not black simply because they have some Eurasian ancestry?
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quote:Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: Why would I be triggered? You're making no sense, no need to address that. Did you cherry pick those light skinned people to make the argument that Horners are not black simply because they have some Eurasian ancestry? [/QB]
Cherrypick ? I'm simply trying to understand how it's possible for people from dark-skinned groups in SSA to have such light skin.
As for Horners being "black", how can they be "black" if they are genetically, culturally, morphologically different from most SSAs. Like I said before, kinship should be based on genetics or culture, rather than just the amount of melanin in one's skin (that's an american thing).
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quote:Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: Why would I be triggered? You're making no sense, no need to address that. Did you cherry pick those light skinned people to make the argument that Horners are not black simply because they have some Eurasian ancestry?
Cherrypick ? I'm simply trying to understand how it's possible for people from dark-skinned groups in SSA to have such light skin.
As for Horners being "black", how can they be "black" if they are genetically, culturally, morphologically different from most SSAs. Like I said before, kinship should be based on genetics or culture, rather than just the amount of melanin in one's skin (that's an american thing). [/QB]
A Bantu is different from a Mandinka yet both are black, so your point? It was just as I suspected when you made this topic, there are different types of black, not just one type.
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quote:Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: A Bantu is different from a Mandinka yet both are black, so your point? It was just as I suspected when you made this topic, there are different types of black, not just one type. [/QB]
First of all, Mandenka and Bantu both belong to the same Niger-Congo family and secondly the genetic distance between these two populations is small in comparison to the distance that exist between them and Horners :
Look how far ethiopians are ...so no you can't put them under the same label as Mandenka or Bantu. Let's not even start with morphology.
In comparison that's how distant I'm to those ethiopians :
I'm almost two times closer to them so why do you call them black ? XD
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