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quote:
Originally posted by tropicals redacted:
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you just trying to urge People to stay with the fossil fuels that destroy the environment, Pollutes the Sky, and causes coughing illnesses.

Really. Do I?

Laughable clown.

Doggy, there is some posts You should read, insults will not stop Me.

You tried and attacked electricity as a replacement for fossil fuels, you attacked wind mills etc claiming you would have to put wind mills on 1% of the earth surface to have them come even close to fossil fuel energy, you then hide behind Xman and post absolutely nothing of substance!

petro petrol petrol is all you see bub. You sleep petrol, eat petrol and dream petrol...Wah wrong wit you?

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quote:
Originally posted by tropicals redacted:
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you just trying to urge People to stay with the fossil fuels that destroy the environment, Pollutes the Sky, and causes coughing illnesses.

Really. Do I?

Laughable clown.

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Bahahahah, Look how the Gehazi proves his case "Xman Said this, Xman Said That" dude listen to yourself while you run!

All I'm seeing here is your stupidity and refusal to face reality. You persist in your nutjobbery even after Xyyman tells you what the score is. You can dismiss my citing him and comments from your article, but all it does is make you look even more ridiculous.

Face it--

Water will not replace petrol as a fuel.

Doggy, Post my Post inside context, you comment on 1 or 2 words and then act like you doing something,

The Video is there to be watched, from the News Report will repost

Stan Meyers water powered Buggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

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^This is getting boring...do you now deny that you said the following?:

you just trying to urge People to stay with the fossil fuels that destroy the environment, Pollutes the Sky, and causes coughing illnesses.

Other people in this thread, who at least have some sort of insight into the topic, have agreed with my points that --

1) renewables will not provide an alternative to fossil fuels that allow the continuance of industrialised society
2) water won't be used to fuel cars

But if it helps, carry on with the face-saving backchat.

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quote:
Originally posted by tropicals redacted:
^This is getting boring...do you now deny that you said the following?:

you just trying to urge People to stay with the fossil fuels that destroy the environment, Pollutes the Sky, and causes coughing illnesses.

Other people in this thread, who at least have some sort of insight into the topic, have agreed with my points that --

1) renewables will not provide an alternative to fossil fuels that allow the continuance of industrialised society
2) water won't be used to fuel cars

But if it helps, carry on with the face-saving backchat.

gehazi redacted, your saying since alternitives may be a bit slower, or take more time, that People would rather have the CONvenience of fossil fuels?

Even at the cost of Illnesses, destruction of the earth and polluting the atmosphere?

So you feel people should not even TRY and Find alternitives, but you call Peoples clowns when they state your all about that petrol and keeping people from even trying to invent better ways of Lifing?

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I will be as simple as possible. Elementary. "Matter cannot be created or destroyed" . " Fuel is not fuel ". Fuel/matter is stored energy. Trick is releasing that stored energy and how much energy is released during the conversion, with hydrocarbons there is a lot of stored energy. Ie fossil fuel Eg petrol/gas.

There is no stored energy in H2O. Nada, none , nein. In fact it takes more or the same amt of energy to split the H2O molecule than bond it. That is why fuel cells is useless on earth. In outer space it is more practical because ICE is not practical in space .

What your guy has done is created a "fuel cell" car. Using H2 and Air/O2. Not a car running on water. No energy is released, Fuel cell is old technology. And impractical . I use to work in the field. It is a dead end.

Nuff said and derailing the thread .

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I don't want to debate Thermodynamics with you.

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Without data you are just another person with an opinion - Deming

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quote:
Originally posted by Child Of The KING:
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Originally posted by xyyman:
There is no such think as a water powered cars. It is is impossible. Anyone who believes it exist don't understand the Laws of Thermodynamic. Even "fuel cells " is a waste of time.

Nuclear, fusion (if possible ), solar , hydro, wind are "true" alternatives. But solar and wind don't give bang for buck. They are only "friendly" to the environment.

sigh [Frown]

Wow You Too XMan?

Action News Reports of Water Car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

KING I think you need to post a link to some written info
on the car, rather than just the video which does not
show how it works. There is a 4 hour video purporting
to detail its inner workings but no one is gonna sit and watch
something that long. Just looking at the video, it appears
the car does USE water to run, but SOME OTHER power source
is needed to create the INITIAL processes needed to energize
the water molecules. Per some accounts, electricity is
used to make the hydrogen fuel cells work.

Thus it turns out that the car while USING water, is not
based on water as its fundamental power source. That
source may be an electrical battery. If so, then
the net energy savings is questionable, for batteries themselves,
particularly big ones needed to generate enough juice to
work the water molecules, are themselves the product
of fossil fuels, in that they too have to not only be
manufactured out of chemicals and metals, but they also
have to be charged up, to keep giving enough juice.


See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

I sympathize with the guy- if he can pull off a true
water powered car, hell let's do it. But the NET energy
savings, when the costs of the battery (assuming it is
a battery giving the starting juice) may not be there
as he claims. Still maybe it will be perfected one day.
What other sources can you post on this?


XYZ says:
But solar and wind don't give bang for buck. They are only "friendly" to the environment.

It depends what activity you are doing and what scale.
A cheap wind turbine in a windy area pumping up water from
a deep well, may well be cheaper and more sustainable,
and repairable for a small farmer in Africa somewhere
compared to buying a commercial gasoline powered pump,
which needs purchased gas, not to mention having more complicated
parts, meaning more expensive repairs if the gas engine quits.

Solar can give more bang for the buck on small scale operations-
say a solar array powering small scale generators or engines. Over time,
the savings may cause a breakeven to be reached and then a profit.
Water purifiers for example have been made using empty plastic
bottles filled with dirty or impure river water, and left
out in the sun. These simple arrangements can purify
a substantial amount of water- a lot cheaper than a small
farmer having to go out and spend scarce cash buying bottled
water, or burning scarce fuel to boil water. And he might
be able to get suitable bottles out of a roadside dump.

Would this work for an entire country? Nope, but depending on
scale and use, such things can be a very viable, cheaper
option for poor people.

And a bigger question- how can alternative technologies,
or small nimble technologies help Africa bypass some of the
top heavy infrastructure needed for development?
Anyone?

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Xyyman

Watch this video.


Proof that a Car can Run on Water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piMEZ2WcQU

Also A Brother or sister explained clearly that all the Oil we drain from the earth is actually the Blood of the Earth meaning the Earth is Alive..Not shocked at that...But he stated that just imagine giving Blood 3 times a week everyday


People claim that the Blood of the Earth is Fossil fuel,

yet the fossil fuel is found 10 miles underneath the Earth!!!

how can the Fossil oil be found so deep inside the Earth???


Then you understand Why we have so much more earth quakes, typhoons, floods, Heat Waves, and the Artic Melting,

Man is sucking the Life Blood of the Earth and not allowing the Earth to recover!!!

Why you think I refused to let that gehazi redacted and his obsession with telling people to use fossil oils CON the people who read the forum

Xyyman WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. Read the Bible

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Matthew 19:26

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is Impossible, but with God all things are Possible."

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The car is not "running on water" per se. It is most likely
using an electric battery to energize hydrogen cell nodes
to transmit power. In such case, it is a fossil fuel
created or manufactured battery that is doing the
initial heavy lifting.

Generally claims that cars only "run on water" are fraudulent
or misleading. Check out the detailed info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

If you have additional detailed info to the contrary,
by all means go ahead and post. It would be good
if this tech exists. Might allow some countries to
bypass the heavy gas/oil consumption treadmill.

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quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
The car is not "running on water" per se. It is most likely
using an electric battery to energize hydrogen cell nodes
to transmit power. In such case, it is a fossil fuel
created or manufactured battery that is doing the
initial heavy lifting.

Generally claims that cars only "run on water" are fraudulent
or misleading. Check out the detailed info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

If you have additional detailed info to the contrary,
by all means go ahead and post. It would be good
if this tech exists. Might allow some countries to
bypass the heavy gas/oil consumption treadmill.

I like this subject. It's hard science, as well as philosophical.

Anyway, you could make the hydrogen to generate power for the battery. Because obviously some parts need to run on electric current anyhow.

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Xyyman WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. Read the Bible


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