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This is what I was looking for. Evidence that Carlos Oliver Coke knows exactly what he's doing when he fraudulently uses quote-mined Irish excerpts to debate people who are fully in line with Irish' views, but who don't know they're being hoodwinked into believing his "homogeneous" deception. As you can see, when he reveals his familiarity with some of Irish views, the pathological liar admits that the AE share a dental pattern with a pretty disparate group of populations, making this dental data fundamentally inappropriate to do what he's using it for: ruling out the presence of non-Egyptian ancestry in dynastic Lower Egypt.

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke (28 May, 2015):
Did Joel Irish in collaboration with the British Museum really say that? I went behind the link, but it's dead.

I know Irish suggests that, based on dental morphology, the Egyptians were pretty much homogeneous: Upper/Lower Egyptians, pre/dynastic and post dynastic. He also says that they were closest to North West Africans (Maghreb), then Mediterraneans, then Nubians.

So a little surprised to see him working on a study from 6 years ago where " Dental studies put the inhabitants of Gebel Ramlah, closest to indigenous tropical African populations."

He's a proponent of the Sahara as a barrier to SSA gene flow, btw.

I know he already knows this from what I told him privately in between 2013-2014, but this 2015 quote proves that we're not dealing with forgetfulness, but with deliberate quote-mining.

I also don't know what he's basing it on when he says that the AE were closer to "Mediterraneans" than to Nubians in terms of this non-metric data. But the fact that he believes this is the case proves that he's being deceptive when he fails to notify his dupes of the fact that Irish' data doesn't support his fictitious "black African" racial category.

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Is this "PhD-approved", too?

Carlos Oliver Coke: non-metrically, Mediterraneans were closer to ancient Egyptians than the latter are to Nubians according to Irish.

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke (28 May, 2015):
I know Irish suggests that, based on dental morphology, the Egyptians were pretty much homogeneous: Upper/Lower Egyptians, pre/dynastic and post dynastic. He also says that they were closest to North West Africans (Maghreb), then Mediterraneans, then Nubians.

Carlos Oliver Coke: non-metrically, Mediterraneans are distinct from ancient Egyptians according to Irish.

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke (22 June, 2015):
Irish pointed out that the dental morphology of the Greeks and Romans in Egypt was different to the indigenous population.


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More asinine non sense from Carlos Oliver Coke. Here he's equating limb ratios with 'race':

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke (03 May, 2015):

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Now, think logically, what kind of people would there be in the South of Egypt, close to the Sudanese border?
I understand that, but the depth of stupidity in opposing is something else. Recall, the 1986 study on limb lengths (Robins and Schute) where they confirmed that the ancient Egyptians had tropical body plans, but that it didn't mean they were negroes because they made the distinction in their artwork.

HTF are tropical Africans not black?

Even though he was told the following, in a private conversation dating to 2014:

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Originally posted by Swenet (25-2-2014):
Both cranio-facial analysis and limb proportion analysis are climate diagnostic. Tropical adaptations in the face and brain case just point to an African-like population (appearance wise), not necessarily to actual Africans. Same goes for tropical limb proportions. Limb proportions aren't reliable markers of ancestry for this reason, but, contrary to what [x] is implying, neither facial analyses nor [neurocranial] measurements are exempt from this caveat.

To which Carlos Oliver Coke replied:

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke:
^Thanks for the information - it's good to get a deeper level of detail.

So he knows all of this. He's just a manipulative liar when he tries to act like Robins and Schute are principally wrong. Note also Carlos' repeated issue with Robins and Shute's statement that the AE weren't 'negroes'. Why, if, as the liar is quick to admit when he's called out, the modal phenotype of the AE population didn't conform to the 'negro' morphotype?

Carlos Oliver Coke's insistance on using of 'black African' as opposed to something more scientifically realistic is just a facade to encourage people to conjure up certain images without having to risk saying it directly and getting dismissed as a radical loon. That's why, when his 'black African' trojan horse is called out, he backtracks and acts like he doesn't know what you're talking about. When he's called out, all of a sudden this fraud is in full agreement with Robins and Shute. Only to have fake issues with Robins and Shute again, later, when he thinks the coast is clear (see that 2015 quote, above).

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The limb ratio = not race issue also came up in a private conversation dating to 2013. Back then he was under the same illusion:

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke (30-10-2013):
I should ask [x] about the limb lengths - Anglo used to say that anthropologists don't pay it any regard, which is bs. Lioness argues that it can't be used to disprove Eurasian influence.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Yeah, Lioness is right though
but they do argue against large scale immigration

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Originally posted by Carlos Oliver Coke:
OK. So large scale immigration from non-tropically adapted groups would have altered the limb lengths of the Egyptians - but there must also be Eurasians with tropical limb lengths. Is that right?

Note that, despite several reminders in between 2013-2014, this mental case seems to have relapsed to his pre-2013 stupidity of racializing limb ratios. This is also probably why this fruit basket calls himself after a tropical adaption. How much of a corny clown can you be? Just like Amun Ra who calls himself after a haplogroup SNP mutation on other message boards. All lame buffoons.
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Psycho creep stalker Carlos Oliver Coke, (Claus3600, aka Tropicals Redacted) still stalking me after 5-6 years after losing an internet debate about Egypt [Claus goes nuts stalking, harassing, doxing, defaming & blackmailing his online debate opponents and even their families, rather than just debate like a sane adult, obviously he has severe mental problems]:

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Originally posted by Zaharan:
But no matter how wanker boy
hides, he cannot escape. Claus is again stalking him- A surprise is due soon!


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