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Clyde Winters
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A GENETIC CHRONOLOGY OF AFRICAN Y-CHROMOSOMES R-V88
AND R-M269 IN AFRICA AND EURASIA

*Clyde Winters

ABSTRACT
There is a global distribution of Y-Chromosome R-M343 subclades across the African continent. The
major subclades are R-M269 and R-V88. The V88 subclade is the oldest clade to separate from R-M343.
The V88 sub-clade, had relatives in Early Neolithic samples from across a wide geographic area from
Iberia, eastward to Germany and Samara. This would place carriers of relatives of V88 among the
Yamnaya and Bell Beaker people. Given the wide distribution of V88 and M269 in Africa and Neolithic
Europe suggest that, the Bell Beaker and Yamnaya people were Africans, not Indo-Europeans, because
these cultural complexes and the people who practiced these cultures originated in Africa.


See: http://www.cibtech.org/J-LIFE-SCIENCES/PUBLICATIONS/2017/VOL-7-NO-2/04-JLS-004-WINTERS-A-EURASIA.pdf

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"There were numerous out of Africa exits into Iberia. The African migrants introduced into Europe, the Aurignacian, Solutrean, Bell Beaker/Corded ware and Moorish cultures between 44,000 BC and 1492 AD. These Sub-Saharan populations belonged to the Black Variety".

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"Agro-Pastoral people cultivated crops and herded cattle. Elements of the Agro-Pastoral members of the
Bell Beaker and Corded Ware complexes appear first in the African Sahara. Here, we see rock engravings
of cattle herders and hunters using similar bow and arrows. The Yamnaya archers' wrist-guard and bows
may have had their origin in the Sahara where we see similar wrist-guards (Le Quellec, 2011).

Daugas et al., (1989) provides a number of radio carbon dates for the Bell Beaker complex in North
Africa. We find Beaker Bell ware dating to 3700 BC in Morocco. By 2700 BC we see the expansion of
Beaker complex into Iberia (Daugas et al., 1989). The Iberian Bell Beaker complex is associated with the
“Maritime tradition” (Mathieson et al., 2017; Turek, 2012).

There are numerous Bell Beaker sites in the Sahara and Morocco. A center of the Moroccan Beaker
complex ceramics and arrowheads come from Hassi Ouenzga and in the cave of Ifri Ouberrid. Artifacts
found at these sites are similar to Iberian Beaker complex forms (Nekkal and Mikdad, 2014). The
interesting fact about the discovery of these artifacts is that they were widespread across the Middle Atlas
mountains at sites such as El-Kiffen, Skhirat – de Rouazi, Kehf, That el Gher and Ifri Ouberrid (Guilaine,
1976; Mikdad, 1998; Nekka and Mikdad, 2014). This finding matches Turek (2012); which explains the
spread of typically beaker style stamped decoration Bell Beaker culture pottery from Morocco into Iberia,
and thence the rest of Europe.

Kivisild (2017) and Mathieson et al., (2017), provides a detailed discussion of R1 in prehistoric Europe.
One of the most interesting finding was the presence of V88 in ancient Europe (Haak et al., 2015;
Kivisild, 2017; Mathieson et al., 2017). It is also interesting to note that the European Agro-Pastoral
populations associated with Bell Beaker and Yamnaya carry the genomes associated with Africans
recorded in 2010 as illustrated in Figure 1 and Table 2. "

See: http://www.cibtech.org/J-LIFE-SCIENCES/PUBLICATIONS/2017/VOL-7-NO-2/04-JLS-004-WINTERS-A-EURASIA.pdf
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"Today the Black Variety is referred too, in the archaeogenetics literature as Sub-Saharan Africans.

Between 3200-2900 BC, African culture and people began to migrate into Iberia and introduced
megaliths and the Bell Beaker culture (Lahovary, 1963). Spanish researchers accepted the reality that the Iberia Peninsula owed the major parts of Neolithic Iberia to African immigrants (Lahovary, 1963; Macwhite, 1947).

MacWhite (1947) claims there was a close relationship between Iberia and Britain. These researchers admit that Portugal and Brittany were settled by Megalithic Africans who founded respectively the Mugem and Teviec sepultures (Lahovary, 1963; MacWhite, 1947).

Olalde et al., (2017) discuss the spread of Bell Beaker culture across Europe 27 kya. These researchers found limited genetic affinity between individuals from Iberian and central Europeans. Olalde et al.,(2017) concludes that migration probably played an insignificant mechanism in the spread of R1 within the two areas.


The Neolithic British farmers were genetically similar to Neolithic Iberians dating between 3900–1200 BCE (Olalde et al., 2017; MacWhite, 1947; Mathieson et al., 2017). The British farmers were replaced by farmers of the Beaker culture (Olalde et al., 2017). Eighty-four percent of the Beaker Bell Steppe migrants carried R1b (Olalde et al., 2017).

Bell Beaker appeared in Iberia around 2700 BCE (Cardoso, 2014; Olalde et al., 2017; Müller and van Willigen, 2001). It is interesting to note that while most people in the Iberian Beaker complex carried the G2 and I2a2 haplogroups (Olalde et al., 2017; Mathieson et al., 2017). Iberians during this period also carried R-V88 (Kivisild, 2017; Mathieson et al., 2017)."

See: http://www.cibtech.org/J-LIFE-SCIENCES/PUBLICATIONS/2017/VOL-7-NO-2/04-JLS-004-WINTERS-A-EURASIA.pdf

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The so-called ancient cultures of Europe were not Indo-European, because I-E speakers did not exist at this time. These ancient Europeans were blacks predominately carrying mtDNA H, and Y-Chromosome R1b.

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Only the Corded Ware people were predominately R1a.

The majority of Indians who carry R1a were Dravidian speakers. The Dravidians belonged to the C-Group culture and only recently entered India from Africa.

Africans carry haplogroup R1a.

In India the Dravidian people carry the R1a haplogroup The Dravidian people of India originally lived in Middle Africa and belonged to the Proto-Saharan Civilization.
The Proto-Saharan civilization was situated in the Proto-Sahara, which includes Cameroon.
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In Cameroon we find carriers of R1a.
In addition to carriers of R1a in Cameroon; the Dravidian languages are still spoken today in Cameroon see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk

The Corded Ware Culture, Yamna Culture and etc., were all cultures that originated after the Dravidan and Mande people were spreading throughout Eurasia. These people were not I-E speakers. They carried haplogroups common to other Blacks who did not migrate out of Africa.

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Haplogroup R1a and R1b started appearing in Africa? I thought that in Africa only had Rb.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lion:
Haplogroup R1a and R1b started appearing in Africa? I thought that in Africa only had Rb.

This was always a myth because the Dravidians carry R1a--they originated in Africa.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Lion:
Haplogroup R1a and R1b started appearing in Africa? I thought that in Africa only had Rb.

This was always a myth because the Dravidians carry R1a--they originated in Africa.
All people originated in Africa, that is an invalid argument

but all haplogroups did not

People mutated while they were in Africa and while they were outside of Africa

So in order to prove that R1a was in Africa you need ancient remains proving that

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Lion:
Haplogroup R1a and R1b started appearing in Africa? I thought that in Africa only had Rb.

This was always a myth because the Dravidians carry R1a--they originated in Africa.
All people originated in Africa, that is an invalid argument

but all haplogroups did not

People mutated while they were in Africa and while they were outside of Africa

So in order to prove that R1a was in Africa you need ancient remains proving that

Not really. Dravidians originated in Africa and as a result, they took the haplogroup with them to Eurasia. We can support this theory based on two sources of evidence:

1) R1a continues to be found in Chad-Cameroon along with R1b;

2)Tamil, a Dravidian language continues to be spoken in Chad-Cameroon.

The continued presence of Tamil language and haplogroups in Middle Africa, confirms the origin of Dravidians in Africa.

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Everything you said there is false
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Everything you said there is false

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Dravidians originated in Africa and as a result, they took the haplogroup with them to Eurasia. We can support this theory based on two sources of evidence:

1) R1a continues to be found in Chad-Cameroon along with R1b;

2)Tamil, a Dravidian language continues to be spoken in Chad-Cameroon.

The continued presence of Tamil language and haplogroups in Middle Africa, confirms the origin of Dravidians in Africa.

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