quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: ^^^ Please remove the oversized image. Look for the cropped one at google search, images. This one is "1920 × 1080".
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025:
La Gomera people
30 - 40% of these people in this picture would be or could be classified as Negroes over here.
Left to right 8 people, let's use 1 to 8 top to bottom a ,b, c, d ("a" is top)
Can you pick out for us 5 "Negroes" in the picture as per Florida standards?
If you are a REAL American you could do this yourself, there is no more expert on blackness than White folk. This is how I KNOW you are neither American white folk nor black folk... it is part of American culture and for that matter New World culture.Here is a chart Euro's used back in the day maybe it can be helpful to you
The majority are Morisco & Chino, they are a Espanola which is basically North African with an African mix (substratum)
It takes an incredible long time for the lioness, the African expert. To reply to you.
Anyway,
quote:The Original Inhabitants, the Ancient Canarians
It is assumed that the Ancient Canarians on La Gomera, had neither contact to Africa nor to the neighbouring islands. the peaceful people lived in a stone-age culture. Mostly they were farmers and shepherds, who also sustained themselves by fishing and clothing themselves with furs. The social structure of the Ancient Canarians, which was based on the principal of equality, is seen as highly developed.
Cloak of Oblivion
The geographic location of La Gomera, as with all of the Canary Islands, was known very early on. The mathematician and geographer Ptolemy determined the exact location of La Gomera between 85 and 160 A.D. However a cloak of (European) oblivion fell over the island of eternal spring.
I know, I am still waiting on the answer for th U6 Ydna Package... and for that matter all these Eurasian Ydna's in the Abusir Mummy test are only matched up with E & J... where the hell is R1b & R1a for the great Aryan invasion.
My guess from psychology alone Lioness is a dark skinned person from a former colony of Britain or France. Brain washed and desperately trying to side with the conquerors from the Aryan heartland of Caucuses and or Europe.. lol trying to fend of the reality of her/his own negritude .. lol
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Bottom line just like some folks on this thread, the 'information war' is the Euro run institutions spamming the typical disinformation like they always do in response to the hard core Africans in the diaspora who have been defeating them online for the last 10 years or more. The paper on so-called Egyptian genomes is nothing but disinformation which is why it is full of caveats and retractions. When they do a full extraction of known mummies in Egypt from various time periods we will know we are getting closer to the truth.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line just like some folks on this thread, the 'information war' is the Euro run institutions spamming the typical disinformation like they always do in response to the hard core Africans in the diaspora who have been defeating them online for the last 10 years or more. The paper on so-called Egyptian genomes is nothing but disinformation which is why it is full of caveats and retractions. When they do a full extraction of known mummies in Egypt from various time periods we will know we are getting closer to the truth.
Why do the Africans in diaspora have to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to Eurocentric appropriation? And the thanks we get for it is to be put in the back of the African bus as those Negroes on the West coast? Seriously, we need to put Egypt down for a minute. Let the East coast handle their business, or are they just so dog gone happy to be included as a Caucasoid? i.e. Somalia & Ethiopia. Where are their intellectuals on the push back of Euro encroachment on indigenous African cultures? Supposedly they are the direct genetic descendants of the Egyptians. Why do the Indiocentrist not protest on the term "Eurasian" when supposedly all these haplogroups are Indian Asian ancestry? Where is the Tamil push back on what is essential? There is an Afro-Indian civilization that is being thrown under the bus for European hegemony and neither of the interested parties care. So F'm, I say.
This push of Alt-Right Intellectual terrorism has only made me up my game.
History of the Europe–Asia division[edit] In ancient times, the Greeks classified Europe (derived from the mythological Phoenician princess Europa) and Asia (derived from Asia, a woman in Greek mythology) as separate "land
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line just like some folks on this thread, the 'information war' is the Euro run institutions spamming the typical disinformation like they always do in response to the hard core Africans in the diaspora who have been defeating them online for the last 10 years or more. The paper on so-called Egyptian genomes is nothing but disinformation which is why it is full of caveats and retractions. When they do a full extraction of known mummies in Egypt from various time periods we will know we are getting closer to the truth.
Why do the Africans in diaspora have to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to Eurocentric appropriation? And the thanks we get for it is to be put in the back of the African bus as those Negroes on the West coast? Seriously, we need to put Egypt down for a minute. Let the East coast handle their business, or are they just so dog gone happy to be included as a Caucasoid? i.e. Somalia & Ethiopia. Where are their intellectuals on the push back of Euro encroachment on indigenous African cultures? Supposedly they are the direct genetic descendants of the Egyptians. Why do the Indiocentrist not protest on the term "Eurasian" when supposedly all these haplogroups are Indian Asian ancestry? Where is the Tamil push back on what is essential? There is an Afro-Indian civilization that is being thrown under the bus for European hegemony and neither of the interested parties care. So F'm, I say.
This push of Alt-Right Intellectual terrorism has only made me up my game.
History of the Europe–Asia division[edit] In ancient times, the Greeks classified Europe (derived from the mythological Phoenician princess Europa) and Asia (derived from Asia, a woman in Greek mythology) as separate "land
But who is throwing who under the bus? African scholars aren't going around the world telling lies about everyone else's history. The only folks who have a history of doing this is the European. And that has not changed from 100 years ago. They have to prove to the world that they have always been superior because it justifies their aim of global domination and world ethno-genetic manipulation and destruction. All of this pseudo-history arose precisely as a result of European global expansion and conquest. This isn't an issue of Africans or anybody else, it is an issue of the facts of European doctrines for world domination.
This book from over 100 years ago sums up the actual attitudes of most Europeans historically and to the present day. Nothing has really changed. And this is the mentality of the original anthropologists who were nothing more than invaders justifying how they conquered so many folks around the world.
quote: The aim of this book is to help him to understand, first of all, the place that the Philippines occupy in the modern history of nations, so that he may understand how far and from what beginnings the Filipino people have pro- gressed, toward what things the outside world itself has moved during this time, and what place and opportunities the Filipinos, as a people, may seek for in the future.
The Meaning of History.
History, as it is written and understood, comprises many centuries of human life and achievement, and we must begin our study by discussing a little what history means. Men may live for thousands of years without having a life that may be called historical; for history is formed only where there are credible written records of events. Until we have these records, we have no ground for historical study, but leave the field to another study, which we call Archeology, or Prehistoric Culture.
Historical Races. Thus there are great races which have no history, for they have left no records. Either the people could not write, or their writings have been destroyed, or they told nothing about the life of the people. The history of these races began only with the coming of a historical, or more advanced race among them. Thus, the history of the black, or negro, race begins only with the exploration of Africa by the white race, and the history of the American Indians, except perhaps of those of Peru and Mexico, begins only with the white man's conquest of America. The white, or European, race is, above all others, the great historical race; but the yellow race, represented by the Chinese, has also a historical life and development, beginning many centuries before the birth of Christ.
For thousands of years the history of the white race was confined to countries bordering or adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea. There was little contact with other races of men and almost no knowledge of countries beyond the Mediterranean shores. The great continents of America and Australia and the beautiful island world of the Pacific and Indian oceans were scarcely dreamed of. This was the status of the white race in Europe a little more than five hundred years ago. How different is the posi tion of this race today! It has now explored nearly the entire globe. The white people have crossed every continent and every sea. On every continent they, have established colonies and over many countries their power.
During these last five centuries, besides this spread of geographical discovery, the mingling of all the races, and the founding of great colonies, have come also the development of scientific knowledge, great discoveries and inventions, the utilization of steam and electricity, which give to man such tremendous powor over the material world.
Very important changes also have marked the religious and political life of the race. Within these years came the Protestant revolt from the Roman Catholic Church, destroying in some degree the unity of Christendom; and the great revolutions of Europe and America, establish ing democratic and representative governments.
This expansion and widening of the life of the European race, beginning about five hundred years ago, brought it into contact with the Filipino people, and the historical life of the Philippines dates from this meeting of the two races. Thus the history of the Philippines has become a part of the history of nations. During these centuries the people of these islands, subjects of a European nation, have progressed in social life and government, in education and industries, in numbers, and in wealth. They have often been stirred by wars and revolutions, by centuries of piratical invasion, and fear of conquest by foreign nations. But these dangers have now passed away.
The funny part is that no writing originated in Europe and there is no ancient writing in North Western Europe either. Writing originated in Africa and the Levant among people who were NOT white Europeans but don't let those facts get in the way of propaganda....
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The funny part is that no writing originated in Europe and there is no ancient writing in North Western Europe either.
Linear B is the oldest form of Greek and the oldest example of it was found in Greece
Oldest evidence of writing found in Europe
Located in the southwestern corner of Greece, the town where this discovery took place is Iklaina. This town dates back to the Mycenaean period of 1500 BC to 100 BC, and around 1400 BC
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Runes
The runes were in use among the Germanic peoples from the 1st or 2nd century AD. This period corresponds to the late Common Germanic stage linguistically, with a continuum of dialects not yet clearly separated into the three branches of later centuries: North Germanic, West Germanic, and East Germanic.The runes developed centuries after the Old Italic alphabets from which they are probably historically derived.
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I almost forgot all about Linear A and B with all the steppe I.E. hype on the internets. I wonder if we can create a cohesive timeline for the development of those scripts and which languages or people (via genetics/ aDNA) lead to their development.
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Linear A and B were tied by various authors to "Near Eastern" cultures like the Phoenicians and Turkish cultures attesting to the fact of migrations from outside Europe and influence from outside Europe. But if it is now considered a home grown European written language then fine. But that is not where the writing of the classical Greeks originates. And the runes don't date much past 200 BC.
And most writing today did not originate from Europe. So in the context of the racist book written 100 years ago, Europeans were just as savage and barbarian as anybody as they didn't have any home grown writing to speak of for most of their history and the writing that they did have came late and is a result of influence from elsewhere, most notably the "classical" languages.
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The funny part is that no writing originated in Europe and there is no ancient writing in North Western Europe either.
Linear B is the oldest form of Greek and the oldest example of it was found in Greece
Oldest evidence of writing found in Europe
Located in the southwestern corner of Greece, the town where this discovery took place is Iklaina. This town dates back to the Mycenaean period of 1500 BC to 100 BC, and around 1400 BC
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Runes
The runes were in use among the Germanic peoples from the 1st or 2nd century AD. This period corresponds to the late Common Germanic stage linguistically, with a continuum of dialects not yet clearly separated into the three branches of later centuries: North Germanic, West Germanic, and East Germanic.The runes developed centuries after the Old Italic alphabets from which they are probably historically derived.
UNBOXED: The World Beyond the West & the Problem of Eurocentrism
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Linear A and B were tied by various authors to "Near Eastern" cultures like the Phoenicians and Turkish cultures attesting to the fact of migrations from outside Europe and influence from outside Europe. But if it is now considered a home grown European written language then fine. But that is not where the writing of the classical Greeks originates. And the runes don't date much past 200 BC.
And most writing today did not originate from Europe. So in the context of the racist book written 100 years ago, Europeans were just as savage and barbarian as anybody as they didn't have any home grown writing to speak of for most of their history and the writing that they did have came late and is a result of influence from elsewhere, most notably the "classical" languages.
Another theory is that Linear A is a descendant of Phoenician; however, while a few terms may be Semitic in origin, Linear A presents many written vowels – a direct contrast to Semitic script. Indo-Iranian is another candidate, however, the work done by Hubert La Marle to prove this connection ignored established evidence and used different script systems at will. The most widely accepted theory to date is that Linear A is somehow related to the Tyrrhenian family of languages which is pre-Indo-European and comprises of Etruscan, Rhaetic and Lemnian. However, even the most robust arguments for any of these theories is lacking and the mystery of Linear A remains.
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The funny part is that no writing originated in Europe and there is no ancient writing in North Western Europe either.
Linear B is the oldest form of Greek and the oldest example of it was found in Greece
Oldest evidence of writing found in Europe
Located in the southwestern corner of Greece, the town where this discovery took place is Iklaina. This town dates back to the Mycenaean period of 1500 BC to 100 BC, and around 1400 BC
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Runes
The runes were in use among the Germanic peoples from the 1st or 2nd century AD. This period corresponds to the late Common Germanic stage linguistically, with a continuum of dialects not yet clearly separated into the three branches of later centuries: North Germanic, West Germanic, and East Germanic.The runes developed centuries after the Old Italic alphabets from which they are probably historically derived.
UNBOXED: The World Beyond the West & the Problem of Eurocentrism
Again, the point was that Europeans are not "special" in terms of writing as most writing systems used in Greece to this day are derived from non European Phoenicians who in turn got it from Egypt. The two writing forms that may have developed in Europe are relatively recent. Therefore, according to the racist work I referenced Europeans have no history because they had no writing for most of their history......
Which means the idea that the white race invented writing and has the oldest writing system and written history in the world completely is FALSE.
quote: Historical Races. Thus there are great races which have no history, for they have left no records. Either the people could not write, or their writings have been destroyed, or they told nothing about the life of the people. The history of these races began only with the coming of a historical, or more advanced race among them. Thus, the history of the black, or negro, race begins only with the exploration of Africa by the white race, and the history of the American Indians, except perhaps of those of Peru and Mexico, begins only with the white man's conquest of America. The white, or European, race is, above all others, the great historical race; but the yellow race, represented by the Chinese, has also a historical life and development, beginning many centuries before the birth of Christ
What writing system was in use in Europe 5,000 years ago?
Answer: none.
quote: The Greek alphabet is the writing system developed in Greece which first appears in the archaeological record during the 8th century BCE. This was not the first writing system that was used to write Greek: several centuries before the Greek alphabet was invented, the Linear B script was the writing system used to write Greek during Mycenaean times. The Linear B script was lost around c.1100 BCE and with it, all knowledge of writing vanished from Greece until the time when the Greek alphabet was developed.
The Greek alphabet was born when the Greeks adapted the Phoenician writing system to represent their own language by developing a fully phonetic writing system composed of individual signs arranged in a linear fashion that could represent both consonants and vowels. The earliest Greek alphabet inscriptions are graffiti incised on pots and potsherds. The graffiti found in Lefkandi and Eretria, the ‘Dipylon oinochoe’ found in Athens, and the inscriptions in the ‘Nestor’s cup’ form Pithekoussai are all dated to the second half of the 8th century BCE, and they are the oldest known Greek alphabetic inscriptions ever recorded.
So bottom line, these folks have an agenda and that agenda is based on promoting propaganda, hence the "information war".
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Again, the point was that Europeans are not "special" in terms of writing as most writing systems used in Greece to this day are derived from non European Phoenicians
^^ this guy hates white people so he presents theories as facts
plus, just mentioning European writing does not means it is presented as "special". That is a straw man
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Another theory is that Linear A is a descendant of Phoenician; however, while a few terms may be Semitic in origin, Linear A presents many written vowels – a direct contrast to Semitic script. Indo-Iranian is another candidate, however, the work done by Hubert La Marle to prove this connection ignored established evidence and used different script systems at will. The most widely accepted theory to date is that Linear A is somehow related to the Tyrrhenian family of languages which is pre-Indo-European and comprises of Etruscan, Rhaetic and Lemnian. However, even the most robust arguments for any of these theories is lacking and the mystery of Linear A remains. [/QB]
Two wrongs don't make a right. Because Europeans in some cases have unfairly slanted history to enhance their narrative the solution is not to slant things in the opposite direction, it is to be objective as possible
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Again, the point was that Europeans are not "special" in terms of writing as most writing systems used in Greece to this day are derived from non European Phoenicians
^^ this guy hates white people so he presents theories as facts
plus, just mentioning European writing does not means it is presented as "special". That is a straw man
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Another theory is that Linear A is a descendant of Phoenician; however, while a few terms may be Semitic in origin, Linear A presents many written vowels – a direct contrast to Semitic script. Indo-Iranian is another candidate, however, the work done by Hubert La Marle to prove this connection ignored established evidence and used different script systems at will. The most widely accepted theory to date is that Linear A is somehow related to the Tyrrhenian family of languages which is pre-Indo-European and comprises of Etruscan, Rhaetic and Lemnian. However, even the most robust arguments for any of these theories is lacking and the mystery of Linear A remains.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Because Europeans in some cases have unfairly slanted history to enhance their narrative the solution is not to slant things in the opposite direction, it is to be objective as possible [/QB]
There is NO such thing as "objectivity" Everything is political. Science is political. Many of these DNA studies are Pysops. Sorry but that is my conclusion after reading them and the language in which it is couched. People/Scientists cannot hide from their own conscious or subconscious agendas.
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"Answered Sep 17, 2015 Objectivity is a goal we can aspire to, but it can never be attained. To understand why, first we need to clarify what exactly is meant by objectivity.
Before we discuss science, let's start with mathematics. Most people would say that 2+2=4 is an example of an objective mathematical truth. But, in fact, it is only true relative to a certain set of axioms. You and I are free to choose different axioms, and 2+2=4 may be false for you but true for me. So, it is clearly not a completely objective truth. Similarly, if I adopt axioms of Euclidean geometry, the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°, while if you adopt axioms of non-Euclidean geometry, they do not. So, this geometrical proposition is not a completely objective truth. Because mathematical truth depends on our free, subjective choice of axioms, it is not completely objective. However, if we both adopt the same axioms, we will both necessarily agree upon what is true and what is false. In that sense, mathematical truth is objective, but only if we agree to constrain our subjective choices in the same way.
Now, let's consider objectivity in empirical science. Most people would say that the 100-yard length of a football field is an example of an objective fact. But, in fact, according to relativity, intervals of length are only well defined relative to our choice of reference frame. Such choice is a free, subjective choice. You can choose one frame, and I can choose another. And the football field will have one length in your frame and another length in mine. We can say the length of the field is objective only if we agree to constrain our subjective choice of reference frame in the same way, e.g., we both adopt the frame of the football field.
Actually, even if we are both in the rest frame of the field, its 100-yard length is still not completely objective. I could be using a mis-calibrated yardstick, or an idiosyncratic measurement procedure, or a survey yard instead of the common yard. I could even be using octal instead of decimal to represent my measurement results. A measurement of length is thus objective only relative to a choice of measurement procedure, units, and numerical representation.
All of this illustrates the fact that we can treat something as objective only to the extent that we define and explicitly specify the subjective conditions under which it is defined or measured. Objectivity arises as the result of imposing common constraints on subjective choices in our definitions and procedures.
The power and effectiveness of empirical science is a direct result of the degree to which it precisely and explicitly specifies the definitions and methods presupposed in making empirical measurements and formulating mathematical theories. To the extent that we constrain our subjective choices to these precisely specified conditions, we will eliminate arbitrary uncontrolled subjective variables. That is, that which is objective is clearly defined only by clearly defining and rigorously constraining what is subjective. The objective arises by constraining the subjective. 2.6k Views · 7 Upvotes Upvote7"
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For those of us a bit slower what type of axioms would need to be adapted are required to make 2+2=4 and make the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°? How could it be written under a different set of axioms?? Just want to see an illustration of this post.
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Information war means using tools of media and internet to manipulate information. For example, to hear some folks tell it, calling white people out for being racist is in itself racist....
But that is exactly what America has been doing for 500 years.
Blacks get enslaved and the answer is that they "deserved it" or "did it to themselves", so of course white society and the laws and systems they put into place don't count.
Black folks go out to protest and fight for "civil rights" and of course white society says black folks are "acting up" and "asking for too much". As if being oppressed by systematic racial laws and codes is somehow a mere minor nuisance.
When black folks rioted in the 60s, to hear white folks tell it, black folks just suddenly got violent and went off for no reason. For why would black folks be upset about being kept in poverty and in slums and subject to constant abuse from all sectors of society and the police?
And when black academics point out the racism within white anthropology oh, its the black scholars who are racist.... As if black scholars have gone around the world putting people minding their own business into racial "camps" and then picking who should live and who should not based on said made up racial categories.
And when these natives and other folks get up set of course its "their fault" because they were born in an inferior racial category.
Annual address by Dr. Edward A. Ross, Professor of Sociology in the University of Nebraska.
The superiorities that, at a given time, one people may display over other peoples, are not necessarily racial. Physical inferiorities that disappear as the peoples are equalized in diet and dwelling; mental inferiorities that disappear when the peoples are levelled up in respect to culture and means of education, are due not to race but to condition, not to blood but to surroundings. In accounting for disparities among peoples there are, in fact, two opposite errors into which we may fall. There is the equality fallacy inherited from the earlier thought of the last century, which belittles race differences and has a robust faith in the power of intercourse and school instruction to lift up a backward folk to the level of the best. Then there is the counter fallacy, grown up since Darwin, which exaggerates the race factor and regards the actual differences of peoples as hereditary and fixed.
Just now the latter error is, perhaps, the more besetting. At a time when race is the watchword of the vulgar and when sciolists are pinning their faith to breed, we of all men ought to beware of it. We Americans w T ho have so often seen the children of underfed, stunted, scrub immigrants match the native American in brain and brawn, in wit and grit, ought to realize how much the superior effectiveness of the latter is due to social conditions. Keleti, from his investigations in Hungary, has come to the conclusion that in most of the communes there the people have less to eat than is necessary to live and work, the result being alcoholism, weakness, disease and early death. Atwater, on the other hand, has found that the average wageworker in New England consumes more food than health requires.
What a host of consequences issue from this one primary contrast !
A generation ago, in the first enthusiasm over the marvels of heredity, we were taught that one race is monotheistic, another has an affinity for polytheism. One race is temperamentally aristocratic, while another is by instinct democratic. One race is innovating and radical, another is by nature conservative. But it is impossible to characterize races in respect to such large complex traits. A keener analysis connects these great historical contrasts with a number of slight specific differences in body or temperament. For example, four diverse traits of the greatest social importance, namely, progressiveness, the spirit of adventure, migrancy and the disposition to flock to cities, can be traced to a courageous confidence in the unknown coupled with the high plrysical tone that calls for action. Similarly, if we may believe Signor Ferrero, of two equally gifted races the one that is the less sensual will be inferior in aesthetic output, less apt to cross with lower types, more loyal to the idea of duty, better adapted to monotonous factory labor, and more inclined to the Protestant form of religion. It is only by establishing fixed, specific differences of this kind that we can hope to explain those grand race contrasts that enchant the historian.
The first cause of race superiority to which I invite your attention is a physiological trait, namely, climatic adaptability . Just now it is a grave question whether the flourishing and teeming peoples of the North Temperate zone can provide outlets for their surplus population in the rich but undeveloped lands of the tropics. Their superiority, economic and military, over the peoples under the vertical sun is beyond cavil. But can they assert and profit by this superiority save by imposing on the natives of the tropics the odious and demoralizing servile relation? Can the white man work and multiply in the tropics, or will his role be limited to commercial and industrial exploitation at a safe distance by means of a changing, male contingent of soldiers, officials, business agents, planters and overseers?
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The Ancient Minoans: Keftiu were Mande Speakers
The first European script was not Linear B, it was invented by the Mande people: Garamante, who founded the Minoan Civilization.
The Pelasgians founded many cities. The Pelasgian founding of Athens is noted by Plutarch in Theseus 12, and Ovid in Metamorphosis vii, 402 ff. According to Herodotus vii.91, the Pelasgians also founded Thebes. Many of these Athenians may have introduced the Geometric style to Greece during the so-called Dark Ages (1200- 600 BC).
Winters (1983b) makes it clear that the Garamantes founded the Greek cities of Thrace, Minoan Crete and Attica. The Garamantes were also called Carians by the Indo-European Greeks.
The Garamantes or Carians originally lived in the Fezzan. These Garamante were described by the Latin classical writers as black or dark skinned: perusti (Lucan 4.679), furvi (Arnoloius, Adversus Nationes , 6.5) and nigri (Anthologia Latina, 155,no.183).
Some of the first African colonists to arrive in Greece came from Crete. These Cretans were called Garamantes. After the goddess Ker or Car, these people also came to be also known as the Carians. The Carians spoke a Mande languages.
A Cretan boat from Thera These people usually sailed to the Islands in Aegean and the surrounding coast were they established prosperous trading communities.
There is frequent mention of the Garamantes of the Fezzan, in Classical literature of Greece and Rome. The Garamantes were recognized as a Black tribe. They were known to the Greeks and Romans as dark skinned. In Ptolemy (I.8.5.,p.31) a Garamante slave was described as having a body the color of pitch or wholly black.
Graves (1980) and Leo Frobenius linked the Garamante to the ancient empire of Ghana (c.300 BC to A.D. 1100). Graves (1980) claims that the term Garamante is the Greek plural for Garama or Garamas. He said that the present Jarama or Jarma are the descendants of the Garamante; and that the Jarama live near the Niger river.
The Olympian creation myth, as recorded by Pindar in Fragment , and Apollonius Rhodius, makes it clear that the Garamantes early colonized Greece. Their descendants were called Carians. The Carians practiced apiculture. As in Africa the Carians practiced matrilineal descent. According to Herodotus , even up until his time the Carians took the name of their mother.
[/b] Every since Arthur Evans discovered the Hieroglyphic and Linear A writing of Crete there has been a search for the authors of this writing.
Some Grecian traditions indicate that Libyans (called Garamante) formerly lived on Crete. This suggest that some of the Eteocretans may have spoken one of the ancient languages of Libya.
A major group from Libya that settled Crete were the Garamante. Robert Graves in (Vol.1, pp.33-35) maintains that the Garamante who originally lived in the Fezzan fused with the inhabitants of the Upper Niger region of West Africa.
This theory is interesting because the chariot routes from the Fezzan terminated at the Niger river. In addition, the Cretan term for king "Minos", agrees with the MandeManding word for ruler "Mansa". Both these terms share consonantal agreement : M N S.
The name Garamante, illustrates affinity to Mande morphology and grammar. The Mande language is a member of the Niger-Congo group of languages. The name for the Manding tribe called "Mande", means Ma 'mother, and nde 'children', can be interpreted as "Children of Ma", or "Mothers children " (descent among this group is matrilineal) . The word Garamante,can be broken down into Malinke-Bambara into the following monosyllabic words Ga 'hearth', arid, hot'; Mante/Mande , the name of the Mande speaking tribes. This means that the term: Garamante, can be interpreted as "Mande of the Arid lands" or "Arid lands of the children of Ma". This last term is quite interesting because by the time the Greeks and Romans learned about the Garamante, the Fezzan was becoming increasingly arid.
Keftiu
The root kef-, in Keftiu, probably is Ke'be, the name of a Manding clan , plus the locative suffix {i-} used to give the affirmative sense, plus the plural suffix for names {u-}, and the {-te} suffixial element used to denote place names, nationalities and to form words.
On the Egyptian writing board there are eight Keftiu names. These names agree with Manding names:
Keftiu....... Manding
sh h.r........ Sye
Nsy ..........Nsye
'ksh .........Nkyi
Pnrt Pe,..... Beni (name for twins)
'dm ..........Demba
Rs............. Rsa
This analogy between Keftiu and Manding names is startling.
In conclusion, the evidence of similarity between Keftiu names and names from the Manding languages appear to support Graves view that the Eteocretans, who early settled Crete may have spoken a language similar to the Mande people who live near the Niger. Conseqently, there is every possibility that the Linear A script used by the Keftiu, which is analogous to the Libyco Berber writing used by the Proto-Mande .This is further support to Cambell-Dunn' s hypothesis that the Minoans spoke a Niger-Congo language.
See my movie discussing the African heritage of Socretes,Homer and the heroes of Homer's work.
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^^^ There's the solution, Doug and Andromeda
Clyde has corrected the history to prove that indeed as Doug said " no writing originated in Europe and there is no ancient writing in North Western Europe either."
It was the Mande people, Garamantes, who founded the Minoan Civilization. Greek is a Niger-Congo based language.
While Doug can only complain about the problems in his-story Clyde gives us the true Black history, correcting the error
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: There is NO such thing as "objectivity" Everything is political. Science is political
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters
the Bell Beaker and Yamnaya people were Africans, not Indo-Europeans
--A Genetic Chronology of African Y-Chromosomes R-V88 and R-M269 in Africa and Eurasia *Clyde Winters Department of Archaeogenetics, Uthman dan Fodio Institute
Yes Andromeda, you were right
If you see a surge, instead of just complaining about it just create your own surge
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Science is being used as the strong arm of European Hegemony.
Hillary Clinton Was the First Casualty in the New Information Wars The former presidential nominee made her case that a Russian-backed “conspiracy” to “weaponize” social media took down her campaign.
Again, this is NOT true. The British have been using Science literature to justify wars, conquest and exploitation for hundreds of years.
Scientific imperialism is a term that appears to have been coined by Dr. Ellis T. Powell when addressing the Commonwealth Club of Canada on 8 September 1920. Though he defined imperialism as "the sense of arbitrary and capricious domination over the bodies and souls of men," yet he used the term "scientific imperialism" to mean "the subjection of all the developed and undeveloped powers of the earth to the mind of man."[1]
In modern parlance, however, scientific imperialism refers to situations in which critics perceive science to act imperiously. Philosopher of science John Dupré described it (in his 1994 paper Against Scientific Imperialism) as "the tendency to push a good scientific idea far beyond the domain in which it was originally introduced, and often far beyond the domain in which it can provide much illumination." He also wrote that "devotees of these approaches are inclined to claim that they are in possession not just of one useful perspective on human behavior, but of the key that will open doors to the understanding of ever wider areas of human behavior."[2]
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Europeans are not the majority. However, they have created a false majority with the Eurasian classification. It is B.S.
Homo naledi promotes Africans as subhuman: Mathole Motshekga SOUTH AFRICAFriday 11 September 2015 - 12:52pmContributors: Bianca Ackroyd JOHANNESBURG – Dr Mathole Motshekga, director of the Kara Heritage Institute says the discovery of a new human ancestor, Homo naledi, perpetuates the theory that Africans are subhuman.
He was speaking during an interview on eNCA DSTV 403, on Friday morning.
During the interview, he told eNCA anchor Joanne Joseph, that he was speaking as an intellectual and researcher.
"This thing is inconsistent with reality and supports the theory that we are subhuman. That's why Africans aren't respected by the rest of the world," he said.
He explained the western materialist theory, which states that "we are subhumans who developed from the animal kingdom. Therefore they (the west) gave us the title of subhuman beings to justify slavery and colonialism."
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Europeans are not the majority. However, they have created a false majority with the Eurasian classification. It is B.S.
Who's the majority in Europe
and in America?
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For those of us a bit slower what type of axioms would need to be adapted are required to make 2+2=4 and make the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°? How could it be written under a different set of axioms?? Just want to see an illustration of this post.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: For those of us a bit slower what type of axioms would need to be adapted are required to make 2+2=4 and make the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°? How could it be written under a different set of axioms?? Just want to see an illustration of this post.
Is 4 even a reality? Is 180 degrees? That is the point. Schrodinger's cat.
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Europeans are not the majority. However, they have created a false majority with the Eurasian classification. It is B.S.
Who's the majority in Europe
and in America?
You are right?
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Again, the point was that Europeans are not "special" in terms of writing as most writing systems used in Greece to this day are derived from non European Phoenicians
^^ this guy hates white people so he presents theories as facts
plus, just mentioning European writing does not means it is presented as "special". That is a straw man
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Another theory is that Linear A is a descendant of Phoenician; however, while a few terms may be Semitic in origin, Linear A presents many written vowels – a direct contrast to Semitic script. Indo-Iranian is another candidate, however, the work done by Hubert La Marle to prove this connection ignored established evidence and used different script systems at will. The most widely accepted theory to date is that Linear A is somehow related to the Tyrrhenian family of languages which is pre-Indo-European and comprises of Etruscan, Rhaetic and Lemnian. However, even the most robust arguments for any of these theories is lacking and the mystery of Linear A remains.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Because Europeans in some cases have unfairly slanted history to enhance their narrative the solution is not to slant things in the opposite direction, it is to be objective as possible [/QB]
"However, even the most robust arguments for any of these theories is lacking and the mystery of Linear A remains."
It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Europeans are not the majority. However, they have created a false majority with the Eurasian classification. It is B.S.
Who's the majority in Europe
and in America?
There is a discrepancy. South Africa comes to mind?
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: For those of us a bit slower what type of axioms would need to be adapted are required to make 2+2=4 and make the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°? How could it be written under a different set of axioms?? Just want to see an illustration of this post.
2+2=4 2 to the second power = 4 2 squared = 4
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Europeans are not the majority. However, they have created a false majority with the Eurasian classification. It is B.S.
Who's the majority in Europe
and in America?
There is a discrepancy. South Africa comes to mind?
Yes I see your logic, South Africa had a European minority and an African majority therefore America and Europe also do. You got me
2+2=4, that's what we've been brainwashed to think,
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2+2=4, that's what we've been brainwashed to think,
That could be, but for now we roll with the punches. 2 punches with the left in the face and 2 punches with the right in the face makes how many punches in the face?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Yes I see your logic, South Africa had a European minority and an African majority therefore America and Europe also do. You got me
Yeah I see your logic as well, that's what we've been brainwashed to think. You got me.
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Getting back to my point. The problem is that you have Eurocentric agents working in news media outlets falsely representing scientific data in their twisted views. This is the infowars I am referring to. Yeah, there are Afrocentrics who do the same thing but they are fewer and farther in between and nobody takes them seriously and of course they don't work in any of the majore alternative media outlets that the Eurocentrics work in which give them more clout. This is why it is important that those of us in the know should actually contact these outlets to correct them!
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With do people make the comparison the Afrocentrism is the same as Eurocentrism? Secondly if similar issues with regard to info manipulation occurs amongst Afrocentrist why bring it up if people are already skeptical and their voices in comparison to white are small I fell like these are a false equivalency, if science has proved humanities in Africa than that what all history books should start before any mentioning of advanced cultures.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: With do people make the comparison the Afrocentrism is the same as Eurocentrism? Secondly if similar issues with regard to info manipulation occurs amongst Afrocentrist why bring it up if people are already skeptical and their voices in comparison to white are small I fell like these are a false equivalency, if science has proved humanities in Africa than that what all history books should start before any mentioning of advanced cultures.
Correct. There is a false equivalency between Afrocentrism and Eurocentrism. Eurocentrism is usually a "white lie", while Afrocentrism is based on reliable data and confirmation of the several paradigms of ancient Afrocentric history and anthropology.
In every white lie there is a grain of Afrocentric truth. For example , the Abusir mummies do not prove the Egyptians were Europeans, or even Semitic, because the Hyksos and other West Asians in the Levant and Anatolia, were Eastern Kushites or Tehenu: the Hattians. As a result, the genes of the Abusir mummies 700-950 BC were African genes.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Getting back to my point. The problem is that you have Eurocentric agents working in news media outlets falsely representing scientific data in their twisted views. This is the infowars I am referring to. Yeah, there are Afrocentrics who do the same thing but they are fewer and farther in between and nobody takes them seriously and of course they don't work in any of the majore alternative media outlets that the Eurocentrics work in which give them more clout. This is why it is important that those of us in the know should actually contact these outlets to correct them!
Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods
Verena J. Schuenemann1,
Abstract
...Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times.
^So you are alright with this, it's some of news media outlets' spin on it that is bad
Ok, Alex Jones, what other media outlets?
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Getting back to my point. The problem is that you have Eurocentric agents working in news media outlets falsely representing scientific data in their twisted views. This is the infowars I am referring to. Yeah, there are Afrocentrics who do the same thing but they are fewer and farther in between and nobody takes them seriously and of course they don't work in any of the majore alternative media outlets that the Eurocentrics work in which give them more clout. This is why it is important that those of us in the know should actually contact these outlets to correct them!
The purpose for these outlets was to reach out to the Doxie level type.
See, this sentence is somewhat semantic:
"Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods"!
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Getting back to my point. The problem is that you have Eurocentric agents working in news media outlets falsely representing scientific data in their twisted views. This is the infowars I am referring to. Yeah, there are Afrocentrics who do the same thing but they are fewer and farther in between and nobody takes them seriously and of course they don't work in any of the majore alternative media outlets that the Eurocentrics work in which give them more clout. This is why it is important that those of us in the know should actually contact these outlets to correct them!
Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods
Verena J. Schuenemann1,
Abstract
...Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times.
^So you are alright with this, it's some of news media outlets' spin on it that is bad
Ok, Alex Jones, what other media outlets?
This of course is a funny claim, once you figure out that Near Eastern had (SSA) African admix or bottleneck occurrence going on for thousands of years. Pre-existing this Verena J. Schuenemann et al claim.
The average reader of these outlets is too dimwitted to understand or even figure this out. And you have been here for years, yet still have difficulty grasping this, let alone the average individual down the street.
quote: African and Middle Eastern populations shared the greatest number of alleles absent from all other populations (fig. S6B).
—Sarah A. Tishkoff, The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
I didn't see this sneaky post.
Anyway, Romans were cosmopolitan. And their scripture was not invented by them.
It came from some place else, 900B.C.. And it took almost 2000 years later to get to the first aristocrats and monks spreading in Europe. And it took almost another 1000 years to get to the first mainstream in society, than to become a regular practice for most.
In other words, the Western Germanic calligraphy is the youngest in Europe. And from there it took hundreds of years to spread. However, it's the oldest of the youngest derivatives from Germanic.
Nice try.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Getting back to my point. The problem is that you have Eurocentric agents working in news media outlets falsely representing scientific data in their twisted views. This is the infowars I am referring to. Yeah, there are Afrocentrics who do the same thing but they are fewer and farther in between and nobody takes them seriously and of course they don't work in any of the majore alternative media outlets that the Eurocentrics work in which give them more clout. This is why it is important that those of us in the know should actually contact these outlets to correct them!
Which news outlets do you have in mind? I would consider a site like Infowars to be a lost cause due to their obvious agenda. If I had to correct any media outlets, I would probably target science reporting sites like LiveScience since they have more credibility and impartiality than political sites.
But honestly, unless someone like Keita enters the fray on our behalf, we have an uphill battle ahead of us here.
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If Africa had real leaders and we had the resources to comprehensively discover and reconstruct our history... I could not care less what lies Europeans taught their children.
I would love future African children to completely and contemptiously disregard what all non-Africans have to say on matters pertaining to our continent.
Karl Von Clausewitz said that war is politics by other means, and I maintain that history is war by other means. This is a death-struggle. Why would anyone expect their enemies to reveal the truth and embolden them?
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
I didn't see this sneaky post.
Anyway, Romans were cosmopolitan. And their scripture was not invented by them.
It came from some place else, 900B.C.. And it took almost 2000 years later to get to the first aristocrats and monks spreading in Europe. And it took almost another 1000 years to get to the first mainstream in society, than to become a regular practice for most.
In other words, the Western Germanic calligraphy is the youngest in Europe. And from there it took hundreds of years to spread. However, it's the oldest of the youngest derivatives from Germanic.
Nice try.
Again, the Romans and Greeks were European
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
I didn't see this sneaky post.
Anyway, Romans were cosmopolitan. And their scripture was not invented by them.
It came from some place else, 900B.C.. And it took almost 2000 years later to get to the first aristocrats and monks spreading in Europe. And it took almost another 1000 years to get to the first mainstream in society, than to become a regular practice for most.
In other words, the Western Germanic calligraphy is the youngest in Europe. And from there it took hundreds of years to spread. However, it's the oldest of the youngest derivatives from Germanic.
Nice try.
Again, the Romans and Greeks were European
And they were introduced to writing and other features of civilization by non-Europeans. Agriculture, writing, chemistry, architecture, medicine and more were all introduced to Europe by non-Europeans.
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
I didn't see this sneaky post.
Anyway, Romans were cosmopolitan. And their scripture was not invented by them.
It came from some place else, 900B.C.. And it took almost 2000 years later to get to the first aristocrats and monks spreading in Europe. And it took almost another 1000 years to get to the first mainstream in society, than to become a regular practice for most.
In other words, the Western Germanic calligraphy is the youngest in Europe. And from there it took hundreds of years to spread. However, it's the oldest of the youngest derivatives from Germanic.
Nice try.
Again, the Romans and Greeks were European
Again, the script did not come from them, it was introduced to them.
And another thing is certain, you are no linguist, neither are you a historian.
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quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: If Africa had real leaders and we had the resources to comprehensively discover and reconstruct our history... I could not care less what lies Europeans taught their children.
I would love future African children to completely and contemptiously disregard what all non-Africans have to say on matters pertaining to our continent.
Karl Von Clausewitz said that war is politics by other means, and I maintain that history is war by other means. This is a death-struggle. Why would anyone expect their enemies to reveal the truth and embolden them?
Cosigned.
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
Yes, but there were NOT whites.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Again, the script did not come from them, it was introduced to them.
stop wasting our time with unsupported claims
LOL @ unsupported claims narrative.
You need to stop it with wasting OUR time with YOUR unsupported claims. You look like a complete fool in here.
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
The Romans and Greeks were European
Yes, but there were NOT whites.
white people with tans
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It's simple. Romans introduced written script all over Europe. This is why they use Roman icons in Germanic and Latin based languages. The first people who knew how to read and write were monks and aristocrats. The first books were bibles translated from Latin and later from Greek.
quote:Firstly, E-M81 is the most common haplogroup in North Africa showing its highest concentrations in Northwestern Africa (76 % in Saharawis in Morocco (Arredi et al., 2004)) with cline frequencies decreasing eastward: Algeria (45 %), Libya (34 %) and Egypt (10 %) (Robino et al., 2008; Triki-Fendri et al., submitted; Arredi et al., 2004).
Besides, Ottoni et al., (2011) have reported that E-M81 appear to constitute a common paternal genetic matrix in the Tuareg populations where it was encountered at high frequency (89 %).
Hence, the distribution of this haplogroup in Africa closely matches the present area of Berber-speaking population’s allocation on the continent, suggesting a close haplogroup-ethnic group parallelism (Bosch et al., 2001; Cruciani et al., 2002; 2004; Arredi et al., 2004; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al., 2011; Bekada et al., 2013). However, knowing that the Berber dialects have been replaced by Arabic in North African populations, carriers of E-M81 haplogroup are currently Arab-speaking peoples whose ancestors were Berber-speaking.
Outside of Africa, E-M81 is almost absent in the Middle East and in Europe (with the exception of Iberia and Sicily). The presence of E-M81 in the Iberian Peninsula (12 % in southern Portugal) (Cruciani et al., 2004) has been attributed to trans-Mediterranean contacts linked to the Islamic influence, since it is typically Berber (Bosch et al., 2001; Semino et al., 2004; Beleza et al., 2006; Alvarez et al., 2009; Cruciani et al., 2007; Trombetta et al., 2011).
—S Triki-Fendri, A Rebai 2015
Synthetic review on the genetic relatedness between North Africa and Arabia deduced from paternal lineage distributions
quote:Originally posted by Cass/:
And there's not a European genetic cluster; Northern Europeans & Southern Europeans can also easily be distinguished into two separate groups based on autosomal DNA:
quote:Using a genome-wide single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) panel, we observed population structure in a diverse group of Europeans and European Americans. Under a variety of conditions and tests, there is a consistent and reproducible distinction between “northern” and “southern” European population groups: most individual participants with southern European ancestry (Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Greek) have >85% membership in the “southern” population; and most northern, western, eastern, and central Europeans have >90% in the “northern” population group.
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