quote:Rihanna’s new Vogue Arabia cover is creating quite a stir.
The “Wild Thoughts” singer, designer and burgeoning beauty mogul is the cover star for the magazine’s November issue. She posted pictures of her two covers, which show her channeling Queen Nefertiti.
Rihanna is a such a fan of the ancient Egyptian queen she even has a Queen Nefertiti tattoo on her torso.
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While most of the singer’s fans were excited about the shoot, others found it problematic. Some people thought the shoot was an example of cultural appropriation, considering Rihanna is from Barbados.
Rihanna has been accused of cultural appropriation before, but she has yet to respond to the accusations stemming from the Vogue Arabia shoot. HuffPost has not received a response to requests for comment from Vogue Arabia or Rihanna.
While it is true that Afro-Caribbeans like Rihanna are predominantly of West/Central rather than Northeast African ancestry, the thing is that this West/Central ancestry itself is a messy stew of different nationalities. So even if Rihanna had chosen to dress up as a West African nationality instead, there's no perfect guarantee that it's going to be the "right" West African group. Like, she might dress up as an Ashanti from Ghana even if it turns out most of her West African ancestry is from Mali or Nigeria. So I think the "cultural appropriation" concept presents Afro-Diasporans with a catch-22 situation if they're going to honor their African heritage through dress.
Besides, I have a hunch that in this particular context, "cultural appropriation" is being used as a pretext for disassociating ancient Egyptians from dark-skinned people of African descent. In which case, it's basically racists posing as SJWs.
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The sky calling the ocean blue & pots calling kettles black!! Caucasians of various nationalities have & do wear cultural items from cultures that are not white. They enjoy making films where Ancient Khemet is portrayed as a white ruled land with Blacks as servants only. Now they dig dna tests claiming King Tutankhamen had dna of west European males! This "cultural appropiation"jive is monotonous as "white genocide"rants from nazis.
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Rihanna has a tattoo of Ma'at on her torso not Nef... This is fake news.
quote:Besides, I have a hunch that in this particular context, "cultural appropriation" is being used as a pretext for disassociating ancient Egyptians from dark-skinned people of African descent. In which case, it's basically racists posing as SJWs.
^ this sums up all of it. There's no living population culturally involved in the west with a connection to Kmt to complain about this. Who does this offend?
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I really don't put any stock into what Europeans or Eurasians have to say about African history. A black woman could play Queen Tiye and they would go crazy and claim that Tiye was white.
Perhaps the Abusir sample has convinced them that ancient Egypt was a Levantine transplant.
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I like Rihanna she is a very beautiful and sexy singer, model and actress. Rihanna is not appropriating the Ancient Egyptian culture because the Ancient Egyptians were her ancestors since Rihanna recent ancestors came from Africa.
Ancient Egypt was a federation of 42 African tribes or ethnic groups that lived in 42 Nomes or States. Those 42 tribes migrated from East Africa, West Africa, Central Africa, South Africa and North Africa to Ancient Egypt. Members of those 42 Egyptian tribes left Ancient Egypt to create civilizations in Europe (Italy, Spain), West Asia (Palestine, Phoenicia, Mesopotamia), East Asia (China, Japan,), South Asia (India, Cambodia), North America(Olmec,Maya, Micmac) and South America (Peru). Because of the Ancient Egyptian migrations there are descendant of the ancient Egyptians of all races that lives all over the world.
Black people in Africa and the diaspora are the closest descendants of the 42 tribes of Ancient Egypt.The dominant White and Mulato culture of the world always try to exclude the original people of this world the Black people from their history.
quote:Originally posted by Elite Diasporan: The IRONY of those people complaining...
True, they themselves are the inventors of / and greatest culture vulture EVER. Not only when it comes to ancient Egypt, but to every other culture on the planet.
Native Egyptian woman, from Cairo.
More on Nefertiti's statue. Very much telling.
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quote:During a brief seventeen-year reign (ca. 1353–1336 B.C.) the pharaoh Amenhotep IV/Akhenaten, founder of the world's first known monotheistic religion, devoted his life and the resources of his kingdom to the worship of the Aten (a deity symbolized by the sun disk) and thus profoundly affected history and the history of art. The move to a new capital, Akhetaten/Amarna, brought essential changes in the depictions of royal women. It was in their female imagery, above all, that the artists of Amarna departed from the traditional iconic representations to emphasize the individual, the natural, in a way unprecedented in Egyptian art.
A picture of exceptional intimacy emerges from the sculptures and reliefs of the Amarna Period. Akhenaten, his wife Nefertiti, and their six daughters are seen in emotional interdependence even as they participate in cult rituals. The female principle is emphasized in astonishing images: the aging Queen Mother Tiye, the mysterious Kiya, and Nefertiti, whose painted limestone bust in Berlin is the best-known work from ancient Egypt—perhaps from all antiquity.
The workshop of the sculptor Thutmose—one of the few artists of the period whose name is known to us—revealed a treasure trove when it was excavated in 1912. An entire creative process is traced through an examination of the work of Thutmose and his assistants, who lived in a highly structured environment. All was left behind when Amarna was abandoned after the death of Akhenaten and the return to religious orthodoxy.
Dorothea Arnold, Lila Acheson Wallace curator in charge of the Department of Egyptian Art at the Metropolitan Museum, has provided a landmark art-historical exploration of a period when the confluence of religion, art, and politics resulted in a unique epoch.
James P. Allen, associate curator, Department of Egyptian Art, has elucidated this revolutionary era in the history of religion, a time when the governing principle of life was a "sole god, with no other except him," light itself.
In her brief biographical summaries, the Egyptologist L. Green, lecturer at Scarborough College, the University of Toronto, places the royal women of Amarna in genealogical context.
quote:Dynasty XVIII - Unfinished bust of Nefertiti - Sandstone - H 0.292 - From Tell el Amarna, Berlin (East), Bodemuseum, Ägyptische Sammlung - Excavations conducted on the workshop of Thutmose at Amarna unearthed this bust, which still shows the artist's brush reference marks.
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Rihanna has a tattoo of Ma'at on her torso not Nef... This is fake news.
quote:Besides, I have a hunch that in this particular context, "cultural appropriation" is being used as a pretext for disassociating ancient Egyptians from dark-skinned people of African descent. In which case, it's basically racists posing as SJWs.
^ this sums up all of it. There's no living population culturally involved in the west with a connection to Kmt to complain about this. Who does this offend?
Nice,
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quote: Rihanna’s new Vogue Arabia cover is creating quite a stir.
I'm not sure if stories like this are worthy to be stories.
Suppose this was before the internet and 30 people wrote letters to Vogue complaining. There would not be a follow up article saying quite a stir was caused. They probably get hundreds of letters complaining about various things. Now people put even less effort than mailing a letter , a few tweets and this is "quite a stir"
This "quite a stir" can probably be claimed for almost any topic. Just go look at Twitter Ten million different "quite a stir" things at any given time.
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It is worthy of a story because most people don't think of African and African looking people when it comes to the mid east and north Africa without bringing up slavery.
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But they look alike One is an African the other an African American. If thats cultural appropriations what isnt?
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"Cultural appropiation","political correctness",urban & rural values,"white genocide", "alt right","islamic terrorism", & "christain heritage"are over used terms used by peasants&elites alike.BTW Rhianna Fenty is Barbadian not African American yet being an American is not so special to boast about.
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I like fashionable clothes, and I recently bought some fashionable clothes on Selerit.com.
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Many of the same people will allow Europeans to position white foreigners (like Cleopatra) to be the face of the culture over natives without complaint... but then selectively become outraged when blacks so much as express homage and pride in Egypt. She's not saying she's the direct descendant of Egypt, Nor is she saying that she or her direct ancestors were responsible for Egyptian culture--misplacing the origins of the civilization. In fact most people don't unless they're trying to say Greeks like Cleopatra were true Egyptians and trying to determine who the AE were by reviewing the origins of such groups over original Egyptians. Rhianna's just expressing pride in the AE at most for their contributions to the world as an originally black civilization. THAT is what they find offensive.
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quote:Originally posted by Ase: Many of the same people will allow Europeans to position white foreigners (like Cleopatra) to be the face of the culture over natives without complaint... but then selectively become outraged when blacks so much as express homage and pride in Egypt. She's not saying she's the direct descendant of Egypt, Nor is she saying that she or her direct ancestors were responsible for Egyptian culture--misplacing the origins of the civilization. In fact most people don't unless they're trying to say Greeks like Cleopatra were true Egyptians and trying to determine who the AE were by reviewing the origins of such groups over original Egyptians. Rhianna's just expressing pride in the AE at most for their contributions to the world as an originally black civilization. THAT is what they find offensive.
Truth be told.
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The best depictions of early ancient Egyptians in full colour come from the OK 4th dynasty. Prince Rahotep and Princess Nofret, are obviously Caucasian. The seven family members recovered are obviously Caucasian. Their father, Sneferu, is credited with buildings the first pyramid. Their grandfather, Huni, and Sneferu, record going into Nubia to steal cattle and collect Nubian Negro slaves.
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The best depictions of early ancient Egyptians in full colour come from the OK 4th dynasty. Prince Rahotep and Princess Nofret, are obviously Caucasian. The seven family members recovered are obviously Caucasian. Their father, Sneferu, is credited with buildings the first pyramid. Their grandfather, Huni, and Sneferu, record going into Nubia to steal cattle and collect Nubian Negro slaves.
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quote:Originally posted by Humble Geneticist: The best depictions of early ancient Egyptians in full colour come from the OK 4th dynasty. Prince Rahotep and Princess Nofret, are obviously Caucasian.
Rahotep especially could never pass for a Caucasian and no one knows where his wife's from to my understanding. As for your complete reliance on art: Throughout AE history, people could at times greatly exaggerate how they looked (especially Egyptian leadership). Some periods of realism happened, but nonetheless this was a problem. This is why cranial research is what we use to measure the accuracy of an era's artistic representation.
Nofret does not look like the average southern Ancient Egyptian whose ancestors colonized northern Egypt and built the country. She might've been average or towards the lighter spectrum of people living in northern Egypt though. Southern Egyptians however most closely resembled Nubians and modern Ethiopians. They were the ones that brought the culture to Egypt. And for that matter, we also don't have a clear record on where in Egypt many of these rulers and their spouses came from. Like I asked earlier-- Nofret's lineage is from where in Egypt? Was her family from Egypt at all? And what of Rahotep? Where does his family lineage extend within Egypt? Because the average southern Egyptian looked more like the Nubians you went out of your way to make fun of.
quote:Their father, Sneferu, is credited with buildings the first pyramid. Their grandfather, Huni, and Sneferu, record going into Nubia to steal cattle and collect Nubian Negro slaves.
But Nubians were closest culturally and phenotypically to Southern Egypt. You're assuming that each of these men and their wives were equally affiliated with Lower and Upper Egypt in lineage, simply because they are kin. These men vary in phenotype
Also, pyramids towards unification were already being built. Sneferu innovated the style and process of building pyramids that were already a tradition to Egypt from the start.
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