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Originally posted by Kenzie:
Why do you feel you have made a mistake?

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Originally posted by akshar:
I know people who live East and West bank and are really happy. One couple have rented a flat on East bank in a very dodgy area for years and never had a mite of trouble and leave it furnished with their own stuff all year round. Of course I think the West Bank is better for trust and friendlyness. Perphaps you have been unlucky

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Originally posted by Osama:
umm
yes why mistake
i dont understand what do you want to say
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Originally posted by akshar:
I know people who live East and West bank and are really happy. One couple have rented a flat on East bank in a very dodgy area for years and never had a mite of trouble and leave it furnished with their own stuff all year round. Of course I think the West Bank is better for trust and friendlyness. Perphaps you have been unlucky

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Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

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Originally posted by claire_1237:
Roddy,

Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

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Originally posted by claire_1237:
Roddy,

Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

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[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

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Originally posted by claire_1237:
Roddy,

Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

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[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

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Are you able to have an intelligent debate without criticising people?
All of my comments about you have related to comments that you have posted.
You have proved that you are a man that makes assumptions about people without ANY evidence to back it up.

You have assumed that Akshar has low self esteem

You have assumed that I am in a polygamous relationship. I am not.

You have assumed that I approve of female circumcision when I have not expressed my opinion one way or the other.

You have proved that what you lack in intelligence you make up for in insults.

I am logging off now so have a nice evening Roddy!
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Originally posted by claire_1237:
Sorry Roddy but you're not making any sense.
How am I am breaking new grounds? Explain?
You say that I have hang ups? Why would that be? Why would you assume that a co wife automatically has problems with Self esteem? Explain.
In your posts you have openly disrespected people in polygamous marriages. I am not in a polygamous relationship and hence your criticism does not relate to me.
Why have you tried to turn the topic around to female circumcision?

Are you able to have an intelligent debate without criticising people?
All of my comments about you have related to comments that you have posted.
You have proved that you are a man that makes assumptions about people without ANY evidence to back it up.

You have assumed that Akshar has low self esteem

You have assumed that I am in a polygamous relationship. I am not.

You have assumed that I approve of female circumcision when I have not expressed my opinion one way or the other.

You have proved that what you lack in intelligence you make up for in insults.

I am logging off now so have a nice evening Roddy!
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Originally posted by claire_1237:
Roddy,

Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

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I'm sorry but you're not really making any sense. One minute you're talking down at Akshar for being a 2nd wife saying she has no self respect of self esteem and now you're saying you hold her in high regard you're constantly contradicting yourself

You're throwing in assumsptions to try and insult Claire, who is afterall just like you and expresssing her opinion that you say should be freely made in this forum. Is it OK for you to have an opinion but no one else ? All the assumptions of Claire you have made I can verify are untrue as I know Claire and am familiar with her situation, all I can say is if most of us could have the happy relationship she has then we would be blessed.

If you don't have anything constructive to say why bother saying it? You weren't expressing an opinion you were making assumptions that people's lives and morals were inferior to your own, with no justification.

And why could you possibly want Claire's number ? I'm sure she wouldn't have anything she'd wish to say to you, as she merely expresses opionions and views and doesn't involve herself in personal attacks on other members

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Originally posted by roddy:
[claire...the company we keep is very high profile ....more than you know ??just you be careful what derogatry statements you make....my home phone in england is 01275 878716 .we have no number in egypt. JUST GIVE ME YOUR NUMBER IN EGYPT...WE HAVE NO PROBS....DO YOU.if you give your no. i can pass it on to the appro. authorityQUOTE]Originally posted by claire_1237:
[b]Roddy,

Askhar was just trying to empathise with you and you turn round and start making assumptions about her apparent lack of self esteem? I have read alot of Akshar's post and what has clearly been conveyed to me is an image of a gutsy lady who is prepared to do what SHE believes is right. Even is she receives a verbal backlash from people that are not willing to listen and learn.
I have read some of your other posts and initially you seemed like quite a nice guy but the tone of your more recent posts seems to be changing.

I would have presumed (wrongly) that having lived in Egypt and experienced a different way of life you would be less narrow-minded and more open to learning about different ways of living.

Akshar chooses to be a co-wife and that is her educated decision. Providing she is happy,the other wife is happy and the whole family unit feels safe and secure then who are you to start making judgments about self esteem and self worth?

Didn't I read on one of your other posts that you are gay? Fine! Brilliant! I hope you are happy with YOUR life choice. I personally have no problem with homosexuals but I am sure that being part of a minority group YOU have encountered prejudice born out of pure ignorance. I could start making judgements about you. Perhaps suggesting that you are a sex tourists and one of the many gays that visit Luxor with the sole intention of paying young, vunerable boys for sex. I would never make such an offensive sweeping statement, please do others the same courtesy.

In fact I was reading your post re Male Homosexuality in Egypt. You got rather annoyed when a member suggested that all Gay men sleep around. You responded that you are gay and do not sleep around, in your own words you also said:-
"We are all people living our lives"
Why does this laissez-faire attitude not apply to polygamous marriages? Why can't you be tolerant and understanding of other peoples choices?

You may not agree with polygamous marriages but judging by your response you also know very little about them. Tell you what, why don't you start reading about this subject? Educate yourself about Islam and the reasons for polygamous marriages. Perhaps then you can contribute to an intelligent discussion about them instead of making negative remarks.

I am really sorry that you feel you have been cheated in Luxor. From your recent posts it appears that you are not happy here. You are disgusted with the way men apparently talk about women and you feel that everyone is trying to cheat you. Perhaps you should cut your losses, leave and put it down to experience.

I read another of your posts about Egyptian Men refering to European Women as 'Old Gold'. I think this says less about the Egyptian males of Luxor and more about the company you keep.

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

[This message has been edited by claire_1237 (edited 25 March 2004).]

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Roddy

I'm sorry but you're not really making any sense. One minute you're talking down at Akshar for being a 2nd wife saying she has no self respect of self esteem and now you're saying you hold her in high regard you're constantly contradicting yourself

You're throwing in assumsptions to try and insult Claire, who is afterall just like you and expresssing her opinion that you say should be freely made in this forum. Is it OK for you to have an opinion but no one else ? All the assumptions of Claire you have made I can verify are untrue as I know Claire and am familiar with her situation, all I can say is if most of us could have the happy relationship she has then we would be blessed.

If you don't have anything constructive to say why bother saying it? You weren't expressing an opinion you were making assumptions that people's lives and morals were inferior to your own, with no justification.

And why could you possibly want Claire's number ? I'm sure she wouldn't have anything she'd wish to say to you, as she merely expresses opionions and views and doesn't involve herself in personal attacks on other members

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Originally posted by AhmedMostafa:
I'm new here. I'm an Egyptian man that has lived in the UK for many years. I have several gay friends and have family members in Egypt that are involved in polygymas marriages. One family members in particular has 2 wives one Egyptian and 1 French. It is a personal choice and they work very well together. I'm interested to know what it is exactly has attracted you to Luxor. You have stated many times that you don't trust Egyptians and made it clear that you are irritated by our ways. You are ignorant to the ways and customs of our culture and seem to understand nothing. I mean do you have friends there? It is very concerning that a man with your intellegence level, sexual orientation and lack of understanding is allowed to live in my country especially where poverty is high and young people will do anything for money.

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I say, NO ONE BUT NO ONE talks about their sexual exploits on this board. If we start to allow it here, then the next thing you know we'll have the 20 something horney Cairo boys thinking it's ok to describe what they tell each other they do, and NO ONE wants that!!!!

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Originally posted by roddy:
ahmed..i am not ignorant of egyptian ways at all..i have some super egyptian friends and it would be true to say it takes time to sort the good from the bad in any culture and as for trust it would be foolish to put to much store by what anyone tells you in any country .yes egypt is very poor and it is heartbreaking to realise that for many things will not improve.yesterday i returned from a short break in luxor and i had a great time....spent time with an egyptian family on west bank and the hospitality was wonderful.why do i go to luxor...i have the greatest laugh with egyptians...all day and every day.you imply that i go with guys and pay money???i DONT...never have and never will? you are also concerned that i am allowed to live in egypt...i could say i am concerned that you live in britain.i WOULD NEVER do that.i have no problem with who lives in britain?also i do not live in egypt but we have a home in luxor and have given a lot of work to local people...plus we pay english prices..we NEVER exploit anyone

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