Love to you all,
Hagar

"[...] I hope that in the next century we will come to terms with our abysmal ignorance of the Muslim world. Muslims aren't a bunch of wackos and nuts. They are decent, brilliant, talented people with a great civilization and traditions of their own, including legal traditions. Americans know nothing about them. There are people in that part of the world with whom we are simply out of touch. That's a great challenge for the next century [...]"

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Originally posted by nevermind:
Oh but of course they are decent, brilliant etc etc, Karah! The main question is not so much about muslims at all as it is about all kind of beliefs into supreme beings vs humans! Maybe just that the other religions are as I've said already, near to dying out and thus do not consist such threat to humanity any more, and also I think I am not wrong (?) in saying that muslims are the loudest in propagating their beliefs, and then should not be surprised if they also get equally loud responses from elsewhere in the world.

The discrete believers who do not disturb others with their beliefs are in general much more appreciated because even if you do not understand them either then at least you respect them for being the nice considerate people, not aggressive in their belief, not intruding.

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Originally posted by akshar:
Karah congratulations on your spritual journey taking you to where you feel happy.

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
Never, neither am I aggressive nor intruding as a human being, and that shall remain as my image as a Muslimah. Matters of religion and spiritual beliefs are much like those of a personal taste and preferences, and in best interest of all should not be discussed in too great of a detail, especially on public forums.

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Quite an interesting statement from somebody whose has offered her religious choices for wide advertising and loud celebration for several days in this room... (just noting, as fact)

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Originally posted by nevermind:
Quite an interesting statement from somebody whose has offered her religious choices for wide advertising and loud celebration for several days in this room... (just noting, as fact)

Anyway, I hope you'll have good influence on your fellow-believers then, in matters of cutting down on noise and propaganda.

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Never, it obviously slipped your attention that it was not me advertising my religious choices, but it does not matter anyway. It is just another subject on our interesting forum. Don't worry, it will be soon forgotten as summer blossoms and so will new gigolo stories as broken hearts return home and start pouring memories into the cyber space.

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
Never, it obviously slipped your attention that it was not me advertising my religious choices, but it does not matter anyway. It is just another subject on our interesting forum. Don't worry, it will be soon forgotten as summer blossoms and so will new gigolo stories as broken hearts return home and start pouring memories into the cyber space.

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karah honey mabrouk enjoy islam, and i hope it gives you the peace and happiness it gave so many.

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Originally posted by 7aya:
karah honey mabrouk enjoy islam, and i hope it gives you the peace and happiness it gave so many.

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Thank you Sister.

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Originally posted by Farhana:
Congratulations again sister. If you need anything please feel free to email me. I live in the UK but frequent my Egyptian family when i can.
Perhaps if you'd 'advertised' the fact that you had an Egyptian boyfriend half your age and mentioned words such as 'gigolo, sex, pornography, red sea, money, toyboy' you would have gotten a lot more interest.

Love Farhana x

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Originally posted by nevermind:
Well, you never objected.

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Why are you so pissed off? at least she was not propagating herself as someone sleeping around with married men and saying nothing is wrong with this>>>does this ring a bell?

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Originally posted by Troubles101:
Mabrouk Ya Mia

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Originally posted by Troubles101:
does this ring a bell?

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My fiancé is Christian, so much easier that then maybe, while on the other hand I am seriously sorry if I am leaving the whole family without a great white church wedding of their only son and heir :(. On the other hand, he can always leave me when I am old and wrinkly, and he's seen more of the world, and find a christian girl and wed her and make everyone happy. And I'll go into politics or business the way all old bitches do, and can always offer babysit for them if grannies are not at hand at that moment. Everyone getting more instead of less.

But seriously, yes, he loves his mother very very much and his mother loves God, so you can imagine he has been getting all this through breastmilk already.

And we've had the conversations on several occasions, but we seem to love each other and also usually I have succeeded in getting some air back when I ask him simply respect my beliefs in similar way I respect his - not understanding maybe, but simply letting be. From his side I have understood that several terrible almost-injuries have happened to him and his sister in early childhood that ended really miraculously well and in this case it is easy to understand we all experience certain gratitude, and it is really so easy to start believing there is someone watching over you. Why it does not convince me is simply that although I am a sinful person as any, and not especially reverent to any higher being, somehow never ever has anything of the kind even occurred to me. Or maybe am simply a little darling of these higher beings because presumably giving them so little trouble? :cool: I really mostly cope quite well by own strength. So maybe they pre-protect me and save me from any unneccessary "lessons"? In way of economy of resources, I mean. Well, in any case I imagine them to be illuminated beings of great personal integrity and very-very humble the great wise persons' way, who would never accept any kind of licking of hands or any other loud & demonstrative worshipping.

OK. About kids... I find it is a great wisdom not try to make forward-looking decisions so much, no more than a couple of years maybe. Circumstances change, our knowledge changes, and when time comes, the basis for decisions may be quite different then.

Besides, religion is really not so important, one's person, one's character matters more, and since we humans are clever like little foxes, we usually manipulate all our beliefs and principles so that they seem to justify us doing what we really want to do, and getting what we really want to get which in the end is what we always do anyway. This is why you get all kinds of christian people, and muslim people and godless people who do exactly what they want to, and if asked, are sure to present a suitable quote from whatever authority, to show how they are so right. One can manipulate with written word a lot. It's called "interpretation" I believe. Which is why it is possible to perceive any religion from purely positive as well as purely negative viewpoints, which also is what makes the believers who only pick out the positive, usually humanistic things that are more or less common to all religions, suffer so.

So, nothing wrong with bringing children up in a religious way, if it allows my mother-in-law sleep well at night, the simple things that childrena are taught mostly concern values and behaviours, and these are a lot more normal in any religion than they are in modern valueless education where young people simply get no clear direction at all.

And children never doubt in what you tell them, doubting comes later when their personal thinking matures, which is why we so totally totally believe in Santa Claus and then ther is the disastrous moment when it appears to be your daddy, but you still emerge essentially unharmed and happy, in the end :)

nmeaning that in latter years when more knowledge is available to them, they are free to make up their own mind anyway, and this is the way of life that in the end we need to make decisions for ourselves and to a certain extent we get from life what we have (l)earned :). You make your own bed, then lie in it, as the British say. :)

So, I don't worry too much. The task of parents as far as I see it, is to give your offspring a healthy body, the best of your genes, and the knowledge that you can, then
let them get out into the wild world and be their own masters in building onto that base, and not exercise any kind of ownership rights on them, essentially.

So I am much more worried about the language situation, because sure in my country good education is free and though private schools are a rage for people who simply need to flaunt their money, here too, I personally see no greater difference than that the teachers are younger and more beautiful. It is really the level of discourse at home rather than mass education that makes the difference, i think. At least all wise young men I've seen in my life were simply sons of professors or researchers, so you can imagine what the family chatting in the evening table may have consisted of, while real jerks so often emerge from behind an expensive MBA or similar.

But my language again is not feasible from the point of future opportunities. And I know nothing about arab-language schools, though my fiancé, again, is a product of these, and this seems to support my viewpoint that even a bad school cannot spoil a good seed (I am a great opposer of mass education, I think at its present state it is greatly overemphasized by states, since it is basically still a government monopoly, which was maybe justified in times when people who could read were scarce, but not nowadays where most every mother has a B.A and could very well cover the first 4 years at minimum, easily :)

And I would not pay the high fees for an american or british school, I do not think it would be justified.
So maybe still simple local human-friendly school, with some added home conversation on interesting topics. I hope the arab scedules are nicer too, meaning the days are shorter than the horrible 8-14 or 8-16 here??? followed by introduction into superstar training, then a piano class, never mind that you do not hear little darling, just drum away, then the gymnastics, hurry hurry if you cannot make it before you are 12, you are off the Olympic lists forever.

..now what was it you were asking... :D

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Originally posted by Samia:
Ya Karah.... I said it before.. but..... I'm sooooo happy for you.... ignore the cynics, you'll always find religious intolerance, and I'm really looking forward to December!!!
Love ya sis!!!!

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I am working on adjusting my wordrobe to become hijab-wearable... I am snooping around for websites carrying Indian pant suits - they fit the 'Islamic' dress code, usually include a shawl that can be worn as a hijab and are sooooooooooo elegantly feminine!

Girls, any Islamic couture suggestions???? (I am having a bit of a hard time here...)

Ps. Love you too!

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Originally posted by RaniaMe:
Thanks for your reply!
No, I'm not Queen Rania, would love to be though...
Ok, your situation makes more sense to me now I know your fiancé is a Christian. Religion is important to them of course, but you will not face all these problems an Atheist woman would face with a Muslim Egyptian.
It seems you found the right one, and I'm happy for you! Even if I disagree on many points you talk about, I always enjoy your way of thinking and this special view you have on everything.
In my country too, schools are free, and the Egyptian system, with all these private schools, always amazed me. As a teacher, I've worked in several of them, and I have been very disappointed. I would have tons of things to tell you on this subject. The schedule is quite hectic, and after school, you have to run after private lessons, it's quite a tradition here. Never seen that before.
I have to go...Thanks again for replying.

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i disagree with you rania about that part when you said she won't have a problem with a christian egyptian as with a muslim one. egyptian copts are very religous people. i have a coptic friend who goes to church for three hours three times a week. i have another coptic friend who fasts all the coptic required days, in islam we are required to fast the 30 days of ramadan but in the coptic religion it is more than 200 days of the year. some copts fast only the significant ones but my friend fasts all of them, most of the year. even in the summer when we eat ice cream, she only eats "syamy" ice cream. and there are many other copts like that. and i know that most of them especially my friends would not want to marry an athiest or someone who doesnt believe in jesus. so maybe neverminds fiance, is not that religous or maybe he is open minded. but my point is copts are just as religous as the muslims.

I guess you will probably know about some of these organizations already and you may not want to get involved with any yet, but just in case you would like to meet up with some other Muslims, these are websites for the bigger US Sunni organizations that have annual conferences. (By the way the conferences are the best places to get "Islamic clothing" in the US...all the traders go and the prices are much lower because of the competition!) Each of the organizations has a different focus and approach, but if you go to the conferences you will soon work out what the differences are: http://www.icna.org/ http://www.isna.net/ http://www.iananet.org/conf.htm

This is a civil right organization. They send out daily emails with summary of newspaper articles that you might find interesting: http://www.cair-net.org/

This is a good link for finding organizations and mosques throughout the states mainly: http://www.islamicfinder.org/index.php?lang=english

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My personal favourite is islamic swimsuit, Karah you absolutely must get you an islamic swimsuit, they are so cool! and US beach-friendly too (just poking :)

Come to think of it I could have purchased one for all those great public beaches in Alex, do you think folks they let you wear one on a public beach?? sometimes just the great ideas come too late :(

The prices I saw in web for some cooler ones (which do not remind you of some janitorwear) were around 80USD I believe.
Saw the spouse of Prime Minister wear one in Sharm, metallic old-pink complete with water-friendly shawl and slippers, long leggings and swimmingdress with miniskirt. Elegant!

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Originally posted by nevermind:
My personal favourite is islamic swimsuit, Karah you absolutely must get you an islamic swimsuit, they are so cool! and US beach-friendly too (just poking

Come to think of it I could have purchased one for all those great public beaches in Alex, do you think folks they let you wear one on a public beach?? sometimes just the great ideas come too late

The prices I saw in web for some cooler ones (which do not remind you of some janitorwear) were around 80USD I believe.
Saw the spouse of Prime Minister wear one in Sharm, metallic old-pink complete with water-friendly shawl and slippers, long leggings and swimmingdress with miniskirt. Gracious!

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Ah. That brought me to thinking what the islamic type of nightwear for a proper maiden might be.. ?

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No wear is best wear.

I bought absolutely fabulous negligee sets in Alex: and they are 'hard to notice' despite the two-part design...

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
No wear is best wear.

I bought absolutely fabulous negligee sets in Alex: and they are 'hard to notice' despite the two-part design...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7aya:
[B] egyptian copts are very religous people.

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They are indeed. But my closest copt, he is the next generation already. I think it always changes a bit from generation to generation, though also from family to family. He has certain honourable duties at the church but only when he has time for these, at other times he is quite normal. No kind of abstaining from food :)) indeed I need to fight to be allowed to eat less on any day.

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Originally posted by nevermind:
They are indeed. But my closest copt, he is the next generation already. I think it always changes a bit from generation to generation, though also from family to family. He has certain honourable duties at the church but only when he has time for these, at other times he is quite normal. No kind of abstaining from food ) indeed I need to fight to be allowed to eat less on any day.

Otherwise, when i researched about things in the web before that, they are a hard pack indeed - I came upon a girl in a coptic forum who was asking advice whether it would be correct for her to abstain from sex in her marriage :-o to achieve greater piety (her example was a saint).... etc etc. I wonder if part of this is kind of reflected back from islam because what do you do in a society where the one group claims they are so strong and mighty? you probably do all your best to stand pretty strong and mighty, too.

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Originally posted by Morgan:
Monday June 27 - 2005
When bigamy proves fatal
By Abeer Tayel
Thuraya heard someone knocking, so she opened the door to her flat and there was her next-door neighbour standing outside. The neighbour looked worried, so Thuraya invited her in and told her to sit down, while she made them both a nice cup of tea. But then it was Thuraya's turn to start feeling worried, especially when her neighbour put her arm round and told her to calm down!
Thuraya didn't understand what on Earth was going on. "What do you mean, calm down?" she asked. Her neighbour looked at her in the eye with amazement and said that surely Thuraya must know what had happened. "You mean to say you don't realise you've wasted 35 years of your life, my dear?!" asked the neighbour.
But it was what the lady from next door said next that really stunned her: she told her that her (Thuraya's) husband had just got remarried. Poor Thuraya had devoted her life to him for 35 long years. She was so shocked that she couldn't even speak. Her friend left and Thuraya went to her bedroom.
She lay down on the bed and reflected on her relationship with her husband. It had all started as a wonderful, long love story, culminating in their getting married way back in 1970. They were so happy together and the only fly in the ointment was the fact that she was barren and couldn't have any children.
When they discovered that she was infertile, Thuraya told her husband that she wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted to take another wife, but he refused, insisting that she meant everything to him, babies or no babies.
The years and decades passed peacefully, until her husband finally decided to get married again, as he now wanted to have children. The problem was that, in order to spare her feelings, he didn't tell his first wife, Thuraya. In fact, it was one of her relatives who found a suitable second wife for him. Within a few days of meeting each other, they were married.
Thuraya's neighbour, who informed her about this, had heard the news from one of her own relatives. Thuraya was extremely angry and she thought the best thing to do would be to kill herself, as she didn't want to have to share her husband with another woman. So she poured a bottle of gasoline over herself and lit it with a match.
The neighbours heard her screams and rushed to her rescue. They smashed down the door to her flat and extinguished the flames. They took her to hospital but it was too late: she was dead on arrival.

egyptgazette news

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Nowhere did I suggest that christians COPY muslims in their sex behaviour or otherwise. Why would they it thy have their own super religion and rules and values?? What i meant was that the INTENSITY of following the rules to the letter, the christian fundamentalism or maybe even overachieving, must be a reflection on the intensity of islam in the Egyptian environment. Please indeed...

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
I am working on adjusting my wordrobe to become hijab-wearable... I am snooping around for websites carrying Indian pant suits - they fit the 'Islamic' dress code, usually include a shawl that can be worn as a hijab and are sooooooooooo elegantly feminine!

Girls, any Islamic couture suggestions???? (I am having a bit of a hard time here...)

Ps. Love you too!

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U have too learn to do what HE say cover ur ugly old face, an stay inside slavegirl

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Originally posted by smarah:
Dear Newcomer
Don't let this to scare away from the muslim men it is not the way at all Egyptian muslim honest men don't remarry and if they have to they must follow the law which that (a marred man have to take paemission from the his first wife to remarry and is up to here if she stay marred to him or get a comfortable divorce with every thing that she wants out of him since his the one wants out or remarry). The Islam gives a lots of rights to muslim women you have to read the verses of el- nasa in the holy book.
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Hi smarah!

Thank you for your concern, but I am curious as to why you wanted to offer me this advice. Morgan is well known for her negative postings about Islam and Egypt and her nasty sarcastic comments, so most people just ignore her now. She must be a very sad and bitter person to spend so much of her time on line demonstrating all this negativity.

As to the situation about Muslim and Egyptian men, although this is a specific case and we can’t generalize it to all Muslim men or to Egyptian Muslims, we have to acknowledge that not all men are honest or abide by Egyptian marriage laws, and there are men who try to find ways round them and don’t always give women all their legal or Islamic rights. And in some cases Egyptian marriage laws impose conditions on them that weren’t given by Islam. On the other hand there are also many women here in Egypt who are asking more than what is Islamically advocated and this is being supported by Egyptian law too. So men end up either unable to marry until very late, get burdened with huge debts to do so, or end up trapped in unhappy marriages because they cannot afford to get divorced. Insha Allah one day this situation will be resolved and a way will be found to overcome these problems soon.

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Originally posted by nevermind:
Otherwise, when i researched about things in the web before that, they are a hard pack indeed - I came upon a girl in a coptic forum who was asking advice whether it would be correct for her to abstain from sex in her marriage :-o to achieve greater piety (her example was a saint).... etc etc. I wonder if part of this is kind of reflected back from islam because what do you do in a society where the one group claims they are so strong and mighty? you probably do all your best to stand pretty strong and mighty, too.

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who wrote this me or you nevermind?

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You must have misunderstood me. I just brought the curious example about sex but before that I spoke of "they are a hard pack" and I clearly said "part of this" and "etc etc". In any case, i was not referring to the sex case but to the level of fundamentalism and aggressivity of faith that is evident in islam and which the christian then may have picked up from them, to stand as strong and be able to be proud of their religion and values too, because I might imagine the muslims love to point out all nuances where they think christianity is a "lax" religion or something.

Anyway, this is a discussion here not the field of Waterloo so please even if you think someone is erring then simply supply the correct answer or your opinion or whatever. "You are a fool" type of postings are really the least useful of all.

Plus, why do you err to the negative side with your misunderstanding, why so eager to think people who are not muslim must be stupid and must jnow nothing about muslim? How do you know I might be a professor of eastern religions or something. Or at least check before you fire away?? Especially someone calling him/herself a journalist should research rather thoroughly before making any conclusions.
Love!!!

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Originally posted by nevermind:
You must have misunderstood me. I just brought the curious example about sex but before that I spoke of "they are a hard pack" and I clearly said "part of this" and "etc etc". In any case, i was not referring to the sex case but to the level of fundamentalism and aggressivity of faith that is evident in islam and which the christian then may have picked up from them, to stand as strong and be able to be proud of their religion and values too, because I might imagine the muslims love to point out all nuances where they think christianity is a "lax" religion or something.

Anyway, this is a discussion here not the field of Waterloo so please even if you think someone is erring then simply supply the correct answer or your opinion or whatever. "You are a fool" type of postings are really the least useful of all.

Plus, why do you err to the negative side with your misunderstanding, why so eager to think people who are not muslim must be stupid and must jnow nothing about muslim? How do you know I might be a professor of eastern religions or something. Or at least check before you fire away?? Especially someone calling him/herself a journalist should research rather thoroughly before making any conclusions.
Love!!!

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Dear as I recall you were the one who thought that muslims were ignorant ppl. and you couldnt understand how they could belive in such a thing and so on.

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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Dear as I recall you were the one who thought that muslims were ignorant ppl. and you couldnt understand how they could belive in such a thing and so on.

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It's not as bad as it sounds, Seren :). We are all ignorant to some extent (most surely more ignorant than knowledgeable). Some are just a little bit more knowledgeable but the line goes pretty high and it is pretty thin too, because as you see in society there are a lot of very and very intellectual and highly educated and indeed wise people and they still believe in the supreme being. So the correct factor is maybe even not so much intelligence as such but rather some capacity that i do not dare propose now (and have not time to ponder :) but that must have something to do with that some people require proof before believing, and some just believe. Some believe in presentations easily (e.g. going to a theatre and getting carried away by the story), and some look deep into them and look right through and see it is only actors and their story in reality.

I had hoped the issue was resolved (am an optimist, have you noticed?) because we had talked about it several times and I really believe one only needs to tell once to an intelligent being but but.. not in matters of faith as it appears.

So I really don't know now. I've been so patient and tolerant and I have demanded absolutely nothing and I am absolutely satisfied, I mean I never create dramas about small things that are not perfect if the main things are OK, if it is a loving, caring person with the right principles in life.

But things about me are constantly wrong, he thinks. I have the wrong haircolour (too light to pass as an Egyptian), I have the wrong mindset (I'm used to self-..(what do you call it? assertion is too strong) against egoists and bad service and cruel taxidrivers etc etc, but according to egyptian morals, I'm not supposed to strive not for fair treatment and better standards but I'm supposed to strive to be a NICE person who just lets all others walk straight over her. I'm not that zen, yet.

I come from the wrong country that no one curious who asks him can place on the map, except taxidrivers start talking about russian criminals in Cairo. Should I start talking cannibalism in Africa next time I hear someone saying he is from Egypt?

And yes so, I have the deficient faith. They most probably think i've got no faith at all or maybe even that there is a total vacume of morals in me). While I try love them despite everything, tolerate them, I sincerely demand nothing of them and I forgive them their blindness. I do not require people be like me, I require them be what they are so it is more interesting and maybe enriching and take care of their little ministrations as they need and please...
on condition that they allow the same to me.

Then pray which party is the more moral and "christian" in practice?

Anyway it seems they do not need morals or even nice behaviour, they simply need me demonstrate that their kind of thinking is superior and the only kind of acceptable thinking, it seems to me. God, you see and you do not thunder!? The way I see it, it is an ego or domination thing.

I say "no harm in being different", it is more interesting to complete each other than to be clones or copies. He says "my soul need to be one with your soul", don't know why he cannot find common base in common values simply.

I don't even want to call to him any more because I'm sure it is the first he'll bring up and it is no phone matter and anyway I do not want even remember about him right now, I'm so grossly offended. How dare they set such demands on others who demand nothing of them?!

And he is the only son, it is very clear he wants and needs to go live upstairs in his parents' house (at least after some time) and that I accept and understand as an egyptian way of things.. And men are so undemanding about their wives it is clear it's easy to find someone who has been brough up to obey and be nice and of course believe, and the parents approve and they'll live happily ever after. Oh, he says he will love me till the end of his life but so what men can love one woman but live with another, many who do, and only a few dare/care go against parents.

So I am not sure at this moment whether all this maybe appears a too thick wall for me to break through. I even don't want back to Egypt any more, I think it became just suddenly too much of things that I have tried to tolerate and forgive, and I'm just so tired and offended and feel like I'm simply wasting myself on people who cannot even appreciate me the way I am.

Went to see a beautiful new apartment today and new work is streaming in. Maybe I just need a change of scenery, and to live alone if there are no male beings in the world who would know to be thankful. I can always go shopping or travelling when I feel lonely, or pick up some parentless kids or something.

And I'm absolutely sure one shall not change one's most important principles just for the sake of a relationship, because we are our own last resort for crisis situations so we must always be able to respect ourselves. And there is one sure thing about making the hard decisions - they feel bitter when you make them, but they tend bring happy outcomes in the long term. maybe because what does not work must be wrong so the right is still ahead .

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You must have misunderstood me. I just brought the curious example about sex but before that I spoke of "they are a hard pack" and I clearly said "part of this" and "etc etc". In any case, i was not referring to the sex case but to the level of fundamentalism and aggressivity of faith that is evident in islam and which the christian then may have picked up from them, to stand as strong and be able to be proud of their religion and values too, because I might imagine the muslims love to point out all nuances where they think christianity is a "lax" religion or something.

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the fundemantalism and agressivness in faithh that is evident in islam? yes you are ignorant, because this is information that was fed to you by the western media. and evident where from osama bin laden, or zarqawi, evident where nevermind? you have never read the koran you just make assumptions and opinions based on trash. if you don't believe in islam thats fine, but stop making comments on something you don't know about. and please i'm asking you for the hundreth time to respect the fact that some people on this forum believe and love this religion, and do not appreciate you're constant attacks on it.

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Originally posted by 7aya:
this is information that was fed to you by the western media.

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Sorry, 7aya, but no, this information I have learned from muslim people on this board, from both what they say and how they behave, and from non-muslims involved with muslims and their families, also on this board.

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Originally posted by nevermind:
BTW I just hit a crisis, the believing, god-abiding people here - you may all rejoice. My friend or fiancé or what should i really call him, after spending a week with his parents started to pressure christianity upon me, all over again!

...but right now I need to cry or something.

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Hi nevermind!

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Originally posted by nevermind:
Sorry, 7aya, but no, this information I have learned from muslim people on this board, from both what they say and how they behave, and from non-muslims involved with muslims and their families, also on this board.

The muslims I've met personally in Egypt have been very discrete about their faith and then it does not disturb and it never becomes an issue. They do not try smear it on you and naturally then you do not try smear your beliefs on them, either. Simple courtsey.

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Originally posted by 7aya:
fine then that means that there are good muslims out there as you say. plus there are many people here who smear christianity too. do not judge a religion by its people but by its book.

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I found your topic very interesting today, and actually not surprised to hear your announcement.

I have to agree with "nevermind" on this one.
I have always been an open-minded indidvidual, lived by the motto"to each his own". Not judged others by race, religion, etc.

But following all your posts over these
months, you were the "highly out-spoken one", who didn't believe in God".
You were the one with the over zealous comments, many times with words that made no sense and language unbeleivable.

So when you start with this"sister" "brother" thing it is quite amusing to read especially coming from you!
The one that did not believe in a "higher power".
Now anything is possible, but with you I highly doubt it. If you are truly following Islam I would worry about your "cussing" in your post from today on another topic.

Many have been "saved" as so many call it, personally I believe you converted due to pressure from your egyptian husband that you just brought over. But it is an open forum, I am entitled to my opinion also,as are others.
Especially since "you chose to make it
a public announcement".

You have been one of the most controversial persons on here with bizarre mannerisms and ways of speaking, and very cocky statements. But who am I to say, it isn't possible??
Karah, I wouldn't worry so much about the "hijab wear" clothes attire, that is materialistic. If you are truly serious, I would worry about "cleaning up your language", that is something not accepted in Islam, really looked down upon especially from a "womens mouth".
Nevermind you had some very valid points, I have to agree, because Karah is one that made all the noise, then she is against religious talk?? hmm Kind of double standard !

Karah a program was aired on channel 46 in the states, an american man from Virginia wanted to know more about the Islamic faith and the people. So he decided to live and learn the religion. They flew him to Dearborn, Michigan for 30 days, and he resided with a nice moslem family. During the day he was aked out of respect to leave the home when the wife was there alone, because it is against the religion for the women to be alone with man unless her husband, brothers, etc. are present.

He took arabic courses to speak the language, went to the mosque everyday, wore the traditional clothing,visited many Imam's to learn about Islam,he did disagree with one on his view on how he explained "god" that "god was dead", which he said he believed Jesus was a prophet, but I have never heard any christian or catholic person in all my years say "God is dead". This man is also christian, I should mention. To make a long story short he travelled to another mosque got an actual diagram of the steps of prayer and positions.Spoke with other very religious Imams that gave him lessons and answered his questions.

He was treated with the utmost respect by all. He went to a slaughter house, where the meat was blessed,(halal) and he wanted to cook for the family. He visited an arab attorney for moslems rights, who gave him a petition, he walked the streets asking for signatures from americans to submit to the governor, to stop racial profiling against arab moslems.

It was very unfortunate, he did not receive even one signature.As one japenese woman said she went through this at the time of Pearl Harbor, she was predjuciced against. As we all know good and bad exist, yes we have ignorant people. We can only hope and pray time will heal.
To end ,this man got a hands on experience and shed new light on his view on Islam, very well-made documentary.
By the way when you correct people to add the letter"s" on a word "-Please is not spelled with a Z"
Well to close, I truly hope you have converted with a "clean heart" but from reading your own past words it very hard to believe in my opinion. I think it is a show "for your husband" and a way to be accepted for you.
For those that do not know me I am catholic and my husband is moslem, we have great respect for each other, and the two religions and cultures.I am not attacking her , because I am sure the way this forum operates, it will be misread by some. I have great respect for the moslem religion and Islam, and to those that practice it correctly, and to all other religions also.
May all of us find are true calling

When a person is known for contradictions, it is common sense for most not to take them seriously. Many that marry especially living in the states sometimes feel the pressure to convert for the wrong reasons.

As long as you believe in "God" and have a clean , pure heart.
According to the "Holy Qur'an
Hypocrisy-"And there are people who say ; we believe in Allah and the Last Day but actually do not believe." (2:8)