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Originally posted by leeds 1:
We have entertained many egyptian men over the last 10 years and found many different shapes and sizes but they do all offer much affection and love if you can call it that as it all comes at a price at the end of the day.We are back again do you know who we are ? Hey semsem are you still out there love to chat again soon.

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Why a new thread???? :confused

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Originally posted by sin-dee:
Just from reading the topics here for the last several years I would also say John and John..

Akshar, I would say you are right!!!!!

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Originally posted by leeds 1:
of course you get a prise mind you it didnt take alot of guessing did it i hope and trust that you are all ok and that none of your loved ones had any family in sharm. Can you come and get your prise? but where are we now!!!!!

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Originally posted by leeds 1:
We have entertained many egyptian men over the last 10 years and found many different shapes and sizes but they do all offer much affection and love if you can call it that as it all comes at a price at the end of the day.We are back again do you know who we are ? Hey semsem are you still out there love to chat again soon.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
sorry guys but i'm new here can anyone tell me what this all about

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Its about the 'size of the national shlong'.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
I thought you married and you always sad so why you care about the 'NATIONAL SHLONG'
I have one question
Are you egyptian ??????

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No I am an American married to an Egyptian man.

Leeds here has been around. I have not.

And the only thing about the National Shlong that matters is whether or not it is fully loaded.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
for how long you have been away from your husband ?
and why all this sadness
life not that suck .still you can enjoy it

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No I live with him here in the USA. Our daughter lives with his parents in Egypt.

Its a long story, but after we had discussed the matter to death, he said he couldn't and wouldn't provide for us, besides he wanted our daughter to be raised in Egypt. Didn't give me much choice. I can't pay for everything, nor do everything. Besides a husband is supposed to provide for his wife like how she had lived in her father's house. If he couldn't do this he shouldn't have asked me to marry him. But of course I didn't know that then. Now I know.

I am so pissed, its like it was his plan all along.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
You extremely right about these issues.
To be husband the first thing you have to do is satisfying your wife. And make her happy but this if she asks reasonable things.
But about you daughter I don’t know. Didn’t you think to go and live in Egypt to be with her?

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It was only supposed to be for 4 months, then the INS changed the rules. After that point wait for his naturalization.

Now I want him to have the naturalization so he doesn't come back to Egypt.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
I didn't get your point.Your are waiting to get his citizenship then leave him or what ?

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He gets his citizenship and then he lets me move over there.

Leave him? I don't think so, I know even with the improvements in the Personal Status laws still doesn't give me many choices. I let him do the divorcing. That way I have more of a bargaining advantage over custody. In addition I don't want to ruin my relationship with my in-laws. That would hurt my daughter immensely if she was to endure a rift between her mother and her father's family.

I am putting her first.

At least with citizenship he will be more attractive to Arab women. Hopefully he will marry his own next time and she'll give him the hell he gave me. lol

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
No .I disagree with you about this .
I don't know what kind of man you married to .But if you married real egyptain man he wont let this happend .beside I dont know if you loved him or he loved you before the marrige but begin american make alot of reasons for marrige niether than love so when you take descion to marry arab man make sure 100% he loved you .
This way your life will be easier

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Actually you are off your rocker there.

It really doesn't matter if he love me or not. Though I am sure he had or still does. No, the problem is in the Arab society in America. Arabs are a collective group of people, not basing their identity on individualism at all. If another Arab thinks he is **** for marrying out of love, it is shameful. Arab Americans here don't marry out of love, but honor and to build family ties. He made a huge mistake, Arab Americans marry either for money or to attach themselves to a higher Arab American societal level.

Marrying for love in America is seen as a fools choice and a slap in the face to other Arab Americans. It is treason to marry an infidel for love. America is mainly for money making or to build up a socail elevation. Not for freedom, especially freedom to love.

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
I don't think you right .I talk about my personal life not about what i have seen in movies .
I don't like to discuss this personal life in public .but if you need to know more
this is my email
has_san@usa.com
and i will prove that you wrong .

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Yeah right. I know what I am talking about, I am in the USA. You are in KSA.

I have poured myself over anthropological books on Arab Americans. Reading all I can. I have found what I noted above to be truthful. And the most convincing arguements I have found to back up my statements were written by Arab Muslims themselves.

But seriously its not just Arab Americans. But Hmong, Vietnemese, Armenians, Greeks, Indians, Chinese and others.

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Originally posted by Penny:
S, I think someone-lost is talking about the majority of Egyptian men living in Egypt, whereas you are talking about a much smaller group of Arabs coming to America to gain citizenship and social elevation.

I feel for you very much as to how hard your situation is, and you seem to have tried everything and more to make your marriage work and now seem to have faced the fact it will never work because you are not able to give your husband the status he seeks, other than securing him citizenship. But whilst that is admirable and you are clearly doing this for your daughters sake and for the sake of the relationships within the family, nobody should be paying the price that you are personally for this man.
He does not deserve this citizenship, he does not deserve you as his wife, he does not deserve his daughter, he does not deserve his family. Your whole approach to sorting out the problem is to reward him for being a lazy good for nothing looser and that cannot be right.
Come on S try at come at the problem in a different way, you have got stuck in a groove. Nobody has that much power over you. From what you have said his family is a good one, they should be appauled that he will not work and support you all, you need to get them behind you and make it clear you will take a divorce and take your daughter and start a new life with her. You do not have to loose the relationship with his family, you can make a life in Egypt if you want to, but for goodness sake go and be with your daughter and live your life with her, this has gone on far too long. It is not your job to make things right for everyone in your family, that is too much for anyone to carry. If you stopped trying to control everything and everyone, left him in America he would be forced to sort himself out.
His family if they are as good as you say will only ever respect you for taking your side by your daughter.

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And ladies and gentlemen that is the western approach to marital power!

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
But I don’t think I'm suitable for any foreign woman that doesn’t understand our custom

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And this is where you will choke. Many Arabs abroad don't fully see this for what it is and cannot recognize it if it bit them in the manhood.

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Originally posted by Penny:
Fortunately S I do not see marriage as a war.
I am sorry for you that you say you are living in hell but it does not need to be this way.
Still we reap what we sow as they say.

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You really don't understand do you?

Why on earth would you take a male role in a marriage anyways?

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Originally posted by someone_lost:
I have stuiped question but i will ask it anyway
dose penny man or girl ?

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When I last heard from Penny, she was very much a woman!!

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Originally posted by Penny:
S, I think someone-lost is talking about the majority of Egyptian men living in Egypt, whereas you are talking about a much smaller group of Arabs coming to America to gain citizenship and social elevation.

I feel for you very much as to how hard your situation is, and you seem to have tried everything and more to make your marriage work and now seem to have faced the fact it will never work because you are not able to give your husband the status he seeks, other than securing him citizenship. But whilst that is admirable and you are clearly doing this for your daughters sake and for the sake of the relationships within the family, nobody should be paying the price that you are personally for this man.
He does not deserve this citizenship, he does not deserve you as his wife, he does not deserve his daughter, he does not deserve his family. Your whole approach to sorting out the problem is to reward him for being a lazy good for nothing looser and that cannot be right.
Come on S try at come at the problem in a different way, you have got stuck in a groove. Nobody has that much power over you. From what you have said his family is a good one, they should be appauled that he will not work and support you all, you need to get them behind you and make it clear you will take a divorce and take your daughter and start a new life with her. You do not have to loose the relationship with his family, you can make a life in Egypt if you want to, but for goodness sake go and be with your daughter and live your life with her, this has gone on far too long. It is not your job to make things right for everyone in your family, that is too much for anyone to carry. If you stopped trying to control everything and everyone, left him in America he would be forced to sort himself out.
His family if they are as good as you say will only ever respect you for taking your side by your daughter.

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I don't know sonomod's whole plan but how do you expect her to go to Egypt and be with her daughter without much money. The last thing she would want to do is to go there in the hope that her in-laws would help her.

I think here plan to finish her studying to secure a decent job in Egypt is a very good one.

If you have advice , be specific. I would be interested in step by step plan as to how she could just divorce her husband and be with her daughter without having much money. Let's see what you can come up with.

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Originally posted by Penny:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
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Funny how certain user names always crawl out the woodwork. If you really want some good advice then post an E'mail and I will contact you.

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Good advice regarding what? What is it you think I need advice for?

Anyway, sonomod has posted her email a few times, so it's not hard to find.
After all the what you've written on the subject why do you , now, want to give advice in private. Let's see what you have in mind may be we can cotribute something to it.