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i dont see where i pressed for information it was someone else that was actually asking, but hey blame me again as you do for most things. you provided no information anyway. i was referring to yourself as pretty boring in having to reply everytime i post anything, but then you obviously have nothing better to do, i have so i will stop now.
it is good to know though, that i am not the only one who knows you and who doesnt really like you much. you seem to have upset a lot of people LL
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quote:Originally posted by Luxorlover: So I noticed. Boring. You and Dee pressed for the information. I provided it. Interesting possibly, boring definitely.
Thanks a lot for the information but I'm still a bit confused.
I want to start a business in Egypt to sell property. It also be Internet based and will deal with foreign buyers only.
-Does that mean I do not need to REGISTER a company in Egypt?
-The money I collect is exempt from taxes in Egypt?
-Why would I want to be taxed anywhere else other than Egypt?
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Automatic - buy that book and check on Egyptian tax laws. When you have solved the problem then come back and tell me and everyone else the situation. I would love total clarification of the subject.
However, I think that the topic was about how Egyptians treat tourists - not about my tax situation which is of no concern to anyone but me.
Ayisha - if you try and get your head together and get a job then you will be a lot happier.
quote:Originally posted by Luxorlover: Automatic - buy that book and check on Egyptian tax laws. When you have solved the problem then come back and tell me and everyone else the situation. I would love total clarification of the subject.
However, I think that the topic was about how Egyptians treat tourists - not about my tax situation which is of no concern to anyone but me.
Ayisha - if you try and get your head together and get a job then you will be a lot happier.
Which book? The reason I'm asking is that the books I read as well as the online information I received, all contradicts with what you wrote. Unlike a book, you can answer questions regarding issues I find confusing, a book can NOT.
If do not want to help just say so or don't reply, it's that simple.
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quote:Originally posted by Luxorlover: Ayisha - if you try and get your head together and get a job then you will be a lot happier.
aww LL thanks for the concern but my head is very together, i am happy, very happy thank you and i am working, but thanks for being concerned Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Luxorlover: So I noticed. Boring. You and Dee pressed for the information. I provided it. Interesting possibly, boring definitely.
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I found Automatic's posts very interesting - never pressed you for any information. All I pressed here were a few buttons - which was soooo easy to do. Pavlov's dogs couldn't have reacted more predictably - lool... Anyhow, I may log in now and then and see if Automatic has more interesting things to write, but will be busy - going to visit with an Egyptian community charity I've been working with for seven years, and going to visit an Egyptian girl whose education I have been helping to support all that time ... After that I'll be having dinner with another Egyptian friend who ... well... never mind ... just another Egyptian who knows a lot about you and what you do... Anyhow, it was amusing and interesting dropping by for a bit, but gotta go now. Khalas. Posts: 84 | Registered: Aug 2004
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Dee you really are totally boring. Blow your trumpet a bit more - others might even hear it. Press a few more buttoms you might even get some life into the forum your bitterness almost destroyed.
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PS: Would the Egyptian friend who "knows a lot about me" (fame at last) be the one called BLUNT that I am sure everyone remembers, I know that she is a great friend of yours. Sad that.
you are delusion Mike. Ruby wouldn't be hitting on you, but its cute the way you said it.
I think Ruby is the only Arab celeb today who hasn't had any work done. My daughter loves this chick and will spend 30 minutes dancing to the same Ruby video clip.
I think she is awesome.
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if your in eygpt for some time it, you get used to the people hasseling you and it's easier just to say no and walk on by...
in the west your trained to be respectful of people so you lend a ear..by in eygpt, if you listen to the guys who come up to you on the street, your allready screwed..just say no (la,la,la,la), and as dion warrick says, "walk on by"
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: if your in eygpt for some time it, you get used to the people hasseling you and it's easier just to say no and walk on by...
in the west your trained to be respectful of people so you lend a ear..by in eygpt, if you listen to the guys who come up to you on the street, your allready screwed..just say no (la,la,la,la), and as dion warrick says, "walk on by"
I don't really have a problem with this. I have only been to Egypt a few times. If anyone does start speaking to me my in-laws just scare them off.
But I don't do touristy places and when I am in a vacation area only the women will speak to me. I don't get these insistant sales pitches and I am lucky.
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: if your in eygpt for some time it, you get used to the people hasseling you and it's easier just to say no and walk on by...
in the west your trained to be respectful of people so you lend a ear..by in eygpt, if you listen to the guys who come up to you on the street, your allready screwed..just say no (la,la,la,la), and as dion warrick says, "walk on by"
I don't really have a problem with this. I have only been to Egypt a few times. If anyone does start speaking to me my in-laws just scare them off.
But I don't do touristy places and when I am in a vacation area only the women will speak to me. I don't get these insistant sales pitches and I am lucky.
it's hard for people from the midwest, cause your not used to people just comeing up to you trying to sell something..I suppose on the coasts you have bums who try and panhandle..but they don't try and sell you something..
after a while it gets easy to say no...the worse place is giza...them guys should be run off..I don't know how many tuban deals I had to just lay on the ground..couse they put them in your hand the second you turn around..
I kinda fault the egyption goverment...somewhat...because they don't have enough industry to keep these guys busy..I like eygptions for the most part, I was inpressed how many have a college education, and are doing jobs that in the states college graduates don't do..
egypts main problem to me is, they don't have enough industry..thats all I could come away from egypt thinking..the people were nice enough, they seemed intelligent, but for some reason they just did'nt have the big industry jobs, the the states have..
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why can't tourists be a bit nice to the egyptians? seriously every time i visit one of our tourist areas i'm appalled at how these people treat the egyptian waiters, hotel staff,beach boys, and sometimes kaman the egyptian tourists themselves!
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I believe that the Egyptian Tourist Board has now taken the problem on board after an official survey revealed that many tourists will not be coming back because of the hassle and has started an advertising campaign to improve matters.
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Thanks for your posts- the replies to Automatic (who I thought was very rude) were very informative and good advice I thought. Surely it is up to education and the egyptian government to teach the egyptians about business? I don't mind paying a bit of baksheesh here and there but 300LE for a cab that should have been 40LE was a bit much. These are the tourists who won't come back. On the egyptian TV soap, the characters are off to Sharm to 'make money off the tourists' so is there any wonder this mentality is rife? where is the advertising campaign tomake things better?
And as for me only posting a few times, My id had changed and I had to re-register, and also, everyone has to start somewhere on forums, and new posters may be put off if they read anti messages.
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sorry Liz but the Egyptians dont need educating about business. There are enough expats there cheating other tourists at rediculous prices and of course they are believed because its 'one of my own countrymen' Most i got ripped off and had over by was 'one of my own countrywomen' so im ok putting trust in the Egyptians. At least they might NEED the extra money they ask for a taxi ride, those expats conning you dont.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: sorry Liz but the Egyptians dont need educating about business. There are enough expats there cheating other tourists at rediculous prices and of course they are believed because its 'one of my own countrymen' Most i got ripped off and had over by was 'one of my own countrywomen' so im ok putting trust in the Egyptians. At least they might NEED the extra money they ask for a taxi ride, those expats conning you dont.
Well said Ayisha !!! those fat brits should be stoped dear Posts: 104 | Registered: Sep 2005
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Oh no! Not the tourists robbing each other and not being robbed by Egyptians? Has the world gone mad?
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I wonder...why can't tourists be a bit nicer to the Egyptians? Why don't tourists try to learn a bit more about local culture? Why don't more tourists point out that it isn't acceptable for Egyptians to cry out 'Lucky man', while leering at their wives? Why don't more western women reject firmly, such blatantly disrespectful approaches? Why don't tourists politely point out that they fake smiling at 'Luverly Jubberly' and 'Asda Price', quoted for the hundredth time, that hour...and that such silly catchphrases inspire the urge to smash every perfume bottle in sight to smithereens?
It's all about balance. Why don't Egyptians tell tourists that their silly assumptions about Egyptian life inspire quiet rage? Why don't Egyptians point out that they are perfectly capable of running their own country, without know-it-all western input? Why don't Egyptians tell tourists that shouting in pidgeon English doesn't improve attempts to communicate? Why do Egyptians charge so little, for entry into some of the greatest tombs and temples of the world?
Hell if I know!
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quote:Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee: Hello everyone,
I wonder...why can't tourists be a bit nicer to the Egyptians? Why don't tourists try to learn a bit more about local culture? Why don't more tourists point out that it isn't acceptable for Egyptians to cry out 'Lucky man', while leering at their wives? Why don't more western women reject firmly, such blatantly disrespectful approaches? Why don't tourists politely point out that they fake smiling at 'Luverly Jubberly' and 'Asda Price', quoted for the hundredth time, that hour...and that such silly catchphrases inspire the urge to smash every perfume bottle in sight to smithereens?
It's all about balance. Why don't Egyptians tell tourists that their silly assumptions about Egyptian life inspire quiet rage? Why don't Egyptians point out that they are perfectly capable of running their own country, without know-it-all western input? Why don't Egyptians tell tourists that shouting in pidgeon English doesn't improve attempts to communicate? Why do Egyptians charge so little, for entry into some of the greatest tombs and temples of the world?
Hell if I know!
Very valid points.
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I just changed it all upside down... I went onto a shop, ask for some tea, and spoke just a bit arabic, and in one second they never aske me for money, i got local prices and i was a friend and no problem.
when you are tourist and have holiday, you still have to use the brain and be streetsmart. Especially in Egypt. Egypt has many poor people, they work too much for to litle money. Just think about it. It is their way of surviveing!
I dont know any place in the world who has nicer people than Egypt! And I have been all over the world.
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i feel the same. yes they tried to fleece me.. and? so what?! i soon put them straight that i came here with my kids to enjoy the sunshine and the culture and to make new friends, and they soon treated me like a friend. i paid local prices in shops and in taxis. i didnt even pay for any of the kids entertainment etc.. they just treated my kids like one of their own. i was taken out and i paid 50/50. one night i didnt pay a penny... all on the guys who had looked after my kids all day...i did treat one man to a night out that cost me about £15 (for me, him and my 4 kids) WOW!!!!!!! i earn that in a quarter of an hour! and when i left to come home, they had gone to the old market and got hats for the kids and small gifts for me... i still keep in touch with them now and im gutted cause i should be there right now.
egyptians, the ones i know anyway, are the salt of the earth.
the only people i can compare them to are the scots. egypt is like scotland with sunshine!
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really i wish i cud say that for my husband being the salt of the earth hes the PIT OF THE EARTH LYING FRIGGEN SCUM BAG SINAI CRAP HEAD AND **** HEAD ,BEDWOIUN RADICAL THINKER ,ANY ONE SHARE TO NAME HIM FOR ME ,,,,IM GONNA MAKE HIS LIFE FRIGGEN HELL WHY YOU THINK ME HERE ..HE UP THERE ME DOWN HERE AND HE CHEATED WITH A SCOTS UHM THEY R MAKE A GOOD SEAPIT SALT WUDNT YAH THINK ....NO OFFENCE TO CHARM .LIKE U SUMONES RATTLED MY CAGE !!!!!!!!
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oh sorry chimps... i forgot about that.. no offence meant sweetheart.
hows that working out for you by the way? is he still living with you?
god i feel for you.. i remember when you first joined this forum, you were head over heals in love... such a shame.
hey... im well in the mood for some violence... want me to hurt him?!
nite hun... im off to bed too (for the 2nd time)! god, i cant sleep without him.
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thats the problem charm ''i am in love with him ,but i hurt and it will be some time im ever forgive ,i have to this time to make my marriage work but really im not got faithim muslim men my husband first one did it too witha 17yr old and let my daughter see and walk in on him ,CNT!!!and he had a nasty hand ,sumone said to me u wasin the army why cudnt u have hit back its different i cant explain ...
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I think the actual plot have been lost here, this is only merely an individual perception (Automatic) who obviously has an inferiority complex, hates tourists or anyone who has an ounce of sucess or cash. Not the views of all Egyptians that i know, who i class as friends. As for rape, is there something wrong with you? That is disgusting, you deserve the very worst in life and i wish you all the bad luck in the world. Back to the original topic, just say to shopkeepers La Shokrun and walk away, worked for me. When i go back though, i will avoid the shops like the plague (all sell the same tat)and spend my cash on spoiling my Egyptian friends. As for people like Automatic, f'il mishmish.
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HI, I am egyptian, and this happened also to me when in a touristic places, just try to keep a distance, and don't make ur hand fast to ur pocket, but remember these shops are waiting for you to make some money to keep the life cycle. Don't be too tight, little extra money will not harm
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liz007 I have been to Egypt, but you are wrong. You should not stereotype yes some people can be a bit annoying when they ask you over and over but just say no thanks in a polite way. If you start to be nasty they will be offended. Remember you went to Egypt no one invited you there and just to let you know they all trying to make a living. They are not fortunate like some of the Americans and English who can just sit at home and not do anything but be lazy and get money (assistance) from the government.
Oh you said “Why can’t they just leave us alone to enjoy our holiday? We work hard, and when we’re away on our break." I am so sure you have to depend on the people anyway and I am dead sure you cannot even speak the dammm language. The English are not the only ones who work hard. So when you want a break go to Wales, France, Spain, Ireland etc, why go to Egypt if all you can say are negative things about the people. The Egyptians are amazing people they very warm. Sorry you had a bad experience.
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all what i want to say to you Liz now you never saw Egypt in the right way you never lernt some thing new you never thought about seeing the real face of Egypt all what the others said have some sides right some wrong too but why you thought about Egypt ? i'm so sure you asked some one before you even think to book your ticket i'm Egyptian but i'm not showing off at all ask some one around you did they enjoy them time here ? i think you are hard a bit my dear lady if you saw Egypt so bad like that !! tell every one around you don't go to Egypt then we will see if it'd effect on Egypt or not ? we are a country depend on torism that what i can tell at least now use your mind and look from another side take care sorry if you found me so ampolite with you bye
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This is from a book I have been reading lately:
"Bedouin, Settlers, and Holiday - Makers: Egypt's Changing Northwest Coast" by Donald P. Cole and Soraya Altorki
Chapter 3 "The Bedouin and Outside Forces, 1798 to 1940s" pg 85
Many of the decisions were not popular, especially thoses that resulted in arresting people and putting them in jail. Those who implemented such decisions were very unpopular, but the old men who recall such events today recognize that those who should be blamed are the British governors who made the decisions and not the Egyptian officials who were forced to implement them. A senior Awlad 'Ali 'aqila described the systems as follows:
The military administration was severe, but it also had some good points. There was injustice. Back then, if you had a disagreement with the ma'mur, you would go to speak to the governor. The ma'mur would speak to the governor by phone and tell him that you are a troublemaker, dirty, wrong. The governor would have you put in jail and you would stay there for three, four months a year, without a trial. You were under the control of the English governor. He had the rank of amiralai. He could let you go or keep you in jail. But you can say [the administration] was good because there was the maintenance of law and order.
There were many English people here, and the Arabs stole from them. And it was not bad to steal from them. The Arabs here stole from the English army, took whatever they wanted. We hate the English. And the person who steals from him is not a thief. In fact, we tell them "thank you." The English were the enemy. But this was also bad because the practice of stealing was instilled in the youth.
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This might explain why so many in the Red Sea Resort are don't see marking up prices for the English as a crime, or by adding in extra fees. Alot of the service people in tourism are connected with the Bedouin and take up alot of their attitudes in regards to the English.
Not saying this is a good thing, but it doesn't help when English tourists carry on as if they are still colonial occupiers, not just vacationers.
I know of alot of English who still consider the US a colony and they don't recognize US independance in a social sense. These people look down upon Americans as dogs and savages, the "colonized"; worse yet that the US chose to militarly expell the British, not the British chosing to grant independance which I haven't seen one clear example of British granting independance to any of their former colonial subsjects.
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