well for your knowlege,
wat hapopend was that this was such a sick dentist who loved to have sex with some girls in his dental office on the dental chair while having a camera shooting everything for his friends to watch
wat haoppoend is that his wife found baout this thing
so she went to the poliocve and told them that her husbend raped a girl as for a revenge
but the detecives found out that the girls who was " raped" is a professional; prostitue
wat si worst about the issue is that the rumours said that dentist give " anesthesia" to their patients, and when the patient sleep they rape them!!!

that is reallty stupid
because dentist use " LOCAL ANESTHESIA" not general anesthesia
so watever happens the p[atient will never sleep on the dental chair
but everyone fears to go to dentists so they wont get raped
sha3b 3'aby bardo

no one will be gazed w/o feeling he is gazed
wat they r saying is that the docxtor will do it w/o the patient noticing anything
not even that she got raped
watsmore is that
they think that the needle is wat makes them sleep

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Originally posted by piko:
well if the girl is too boring then she will propably slep while she is having sex

as for you niledoc, r u a doctor really?
is the nile so sick?

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Well, Piko, why are you being so bitterly ironic? I liked you more when you showed your illussions. If you are like this now, how would you be when you turn 60? You know, character gets worse with age!!

Just relax and enjoy, nobody is going to bite you or anything.

Just relax, smile, and enjoy...

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Originally posted by piko:
hey hey everyone
did anyof you guys hear about that dentist who was accused of raping a girl in his dental office and they found videos of the act?

well for your knowlege,
wat hapopend was that this was such a sick dentist who loved to have sex with some girls in his dental office on the dental chair while having a camera shooting everything for his friends to watch
wat haoppoend is that his wife found baout this thing
so she went to the poliocve and told them that her husbend raped a girl as for a revenge
but the detecives found out that the girls who was " raped" is a professional; prostitue
wat si worst about the issue is that the rumours said that dentist give " anesthesia" to their patients, and when the patient sleep they rape them!!!

that is reallty stupid
because dentist use " LOCAL ANESTHESIA" not general anesthesia
so watever happens the p[atient will never sleep on the dental chair
but everyone fears to go to dentists so they wont get raped
sha3b 3'aby bardo

hey ya tamer ya hendy " be7'"

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Don't be so stupid. Not all egyptain dentists are rapists. Sheesh just because americans had this incident with Bin Laden doesn't mean u all have to hate the middle east and accuse ALL of them for doing such horrible things. Like america is any different?

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Originally posted by Bizo:
Debbie

The tape is not for sale .. and if someone happen to have a copy. it does not mean he is an XXX Movie collector..

I actually had the copy from one High Police officer I know...and use it as a compliment to get things done with some people..

And.. debbie.. would you like to have a copy!! LOL

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What does it mean to "use it as a compliment to get things done with some people"? Sounds to me you need it as a sex aid/toy to help you with your friends. Hmmmm? What other "compliment to get things done with "some" people" could you possibly mean? hahahaha

And no thanks, I don't need or want a copy.

Geez. it's like the U.S. equivalent of the Pamela Anderson home video.... And you're telling me all the guys that bought that video were "curious" too?

I decided to write about this b/c I have some knowledge that may be helpful.

Prostitute can be a "victim" as well. More likely those girls actually were not prostitutes. Why?
Because, a prostitute actually doesnt like sex as her feeling 4 sex is "desintisized" after so many partners.
Unless he paid them, which I doubt, therefore why would they have sex with him? Thats 1 clue that they were more likely regular customers.

Another point, how come all girls were prostitutes. So how they came to his office?
Do they have money to pay for dental work?

Its so unlogicall that 10 clients came to do dental work, and all 10 are prostitutes!

Gee, there are many fallacies in this story.
Why he taped it? You know why. He is "rapist" and also his profile is "situational sex offender". Why? Beacuse, he had unusal fantasy, he thinks he is entitled to do it, he thinks what he desires he must have, he also taped it to see it later 4 his own pleasure, he is dangerous type of "sexual offender".

He blames victims saying "they wanted", and more likely he will be angry that he is the one who is "punished" because he belives that what he wants he must have.

Situational sex offender thinks always with those 2 words "why not?" so when he sees a situation and he has a desire, he says to himself "why not?" They dont care, they are not sick mentally, they are usually very intelligent people with sexual fantasies. They dress nice, they are usually very nice to girls to gain their trust. They look same as anyone else.

He probably told the victims if they report him, nobody will belive them. He also maybe told them, he will kill them if they say anything, or more likely he will tell to their families. So, just b/c tape shows that the girls were involved, doesnt mean that they wanted.

This guy will continue, if they dont get him immediately. He more likely sexually abused his daughters, possibly female cousins, just about anyone who comes into the field. People in Egypt should prosecute those people to the maximum.

And it really doesnt matter if they were prostitutes or not. Prostitutes can be raped as well, they can be abused as well. They have rights also, they can be victims as well. What matters is that he did it, and he should not be excused ...people. Save your society from this behavior, maybe 1 day your little daughter become a victim!

This is not funny at all. This is very serious, and nobody should belive HIM, how can u dismiss 10 victims against 1? Why would 10 girls lie? Gee, people dont be fooled.

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Originally posted by Debbie:
MS -
I'm not sure, but I think it's been pretty well defined that the dentist used prostitutes for the making of this movie. It would seem that he probably figured this would be a turn-on for most of his friends, and the idea of him seducing/raping/having sex with his patients was probably a fantasy that turned him on. That is where the idea to film it probably came from.

What the crime really is now, is that the police feel free to distribute pornography, even if only behind closed doors. In a country where it is so illegal to have it, only the police are allowed to distribute it? Go figure.

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If the tape was not so clear, in regards of sound and picture, why is that?

If the girls really wanted to have sex with a dentist in his office, and tape it as well, would not they make sure that camera is actually close enough so the picture and sound can be clear?

This indicates that taping was done in secret. As far as knowing where is camera, I doubt that. He fixed the camera right in front somewhere where they usually look, so it looks as if they are looking at it, but they probably did not have a clue.

The girl who came back was the most weakest victim of all. She probably was "abused" earlier and could not "see" clearly that she was raped the first time. Or she doesnt remember this happened, as u know people who are given drugs cant remember what really happen.

Dont be silly Bizo a prostitutes have no desire 4 sex. I explained why.

Bizo, I would love to belive that this was no rape, but according to the facts, tape and more than 1 victim, more likely it was "rape". Maybe your definition of "rape" is "forced sexual intercourse" with a person, however the rape does not have to be forced at all. It can be done in many ways, and that dentist is an example.

He may given them a drugs, which u probably heard of, and they basically had their mind totally blank. This means her cognition is totally "blured" and everything functions except her "thinking". This happens often in bars where people drop tiny pill in her drink, and sleep with a girl. She doesnt remember anything from that point on. She walks, talks, do everything but has no idea what she is doing. She basically can go after him, as this drug is activating this behavior.

The main point where he discovered himself as "sex offender" is TAPE.
You can not violate another human being like that. It is pornography if it was distributed, and in Islamic countries this type of behavior should not be "justified" just b/c the prostitutes (if they were prostitutes) were involved.

I would like to hear from u, that you will not give out this tape to the people in the future. That is considered distribution as well. Maybe in Egypt its "acceptable" (which is shocking to me), but is it moral thing to do? Its not "moral". You should throw it in the garbage, why do u need this tape? Why did u get it in the first place?

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Originally posted by Bizo:

Again there were no acts of rape.. and it is a very amatuer tape and mostly no intercourse only twice with the same woman who was very happy to the extent she came back..
THe pictures are not clear also the sound and there is no fun whatsoever in watching such a pathitic acts.
the other women were really prositutes doing it on their full desire and they knew there were a camera and they were adjusting for the camera to take the shots right..
so Ms Sara it was not a rape at all and there was no abuse..

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Sorry 4 questions. You are laughing (lol after certain sentences, and look which are those).

I dont belive u Bizo. I am sorry.

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Originally posted by Bizo:
Miss Sara

IM NOT INTO PORNOGRAPHY.

ANd Do not pick on personal things while discussing general issues..

Again, I watched the tape because of words like yours justifying to the prostitutes they are victems...
No drugs was given to anybody it was clear they knew of the camera and one of them told the guy "Why do you have to photo every position..lol"
Another was smiling for the camera and clearly said would you finish queckly because i have to go back to my work and i will meet you after noon and we will watch it together"

THat was part of the dialouge.. the quality of the tape is not clear ebcause of copying and lighting circumstances...

Miss Sara.. I know rape is not only by force.. but do you consider seduction as rape.. and I know Prostitutes do not enjoy sex .. but those women might have been paid for it..

THe film was shot five years ago..
Never been sold to any one by anyoen.. it is only friends who give copeies to eachother... AND I SWEAR IT IS NOT OF AN FUN TO WATCH SUCH A TAPE.. If someone into pornography difenately he will be watching a diffrent movie...
THe only way to verify the facts is to watch it yourself.. and if you understand arabic then you will know what i say.

regards

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But once again Miss Sarajevo is making some wild assumptions without having access to all the facts, ignoring the obvious and disregarding totally the facts that have been presented by Bizo. Is that how they teach you to analyze things at your university Miss Sarajevo? Or is it your natural tendency (like most chicks) to contrive, gossip, take things out of context and exaggerate things out of proportion? Actually, with your ability, I reckon you’d fit right in here in Egypt as one of the many conspiracy theorists!

Miss Sarajevo is making some ludicrous claims! For instance, she said that “prossies” have no desire for sex because that type of sex is “decentralized”! What a load of feminist theory propaganda! Miss Sarajevo, you shouldn’t believe so many of those boring and outdated feminist theories you read about or get taught at university ... as I’ve always said “those who haven't experienced, teach!” Of course, I’m not saying that all “prossies” enjoy sex with their “johns” but I’m damn sure a lot of them do!!

And as for that ridiculous idea about dropping a tiny pill into someone’s drink so that “they walk, talk, and do everything but has no idea what they are doing”. No such drug exists! The type of drug you're referring to simply makes them drowsy and eventually puts them to sleep! Again, an example of your outrageous exaggeration!

About the only thing you did get right Miss Sarajevo is that this type of tape is pornography but before you or anyone else starts “lecturing” about how pornography is "demeaning to women", is “a violation of womens rights” and “immoral” etc etc, just remember that in a lot of western countries pornography is very legal and has many therapeutic and other social benefits.

This tape should not have been passed out in ANY way, so I agree with D Advocate. Not only that, but you're saying it's to verify rumors?! It's people having sex, for God's sake. It's NOBODY's business except theirs, unless it was indeed rape, which means only the correct government authorities get involved. Nobody else. Where is your sharam, people?

Do you really inwardly think that God or the Prophet, for that matter, would approve of anyone to be watching some sort of tape, just to VERIFY that it happened? I wouldn't pass it forward to anyone else, were I you, Bizo... it's highly, highly inappropriate.

And prostitutes are women too, after all. And I disagree with Miss S (sorry! ) but I do think prostitutes aren't entirely desensitized to the entire sexual act. I saw a documentary on street walkers once and some of them do, in fact, enjoy it. The ones who were ACTUALLY FORCED in this field had higher levels of desensitization than the one's who chose it as an alternate means of income.

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Originally posted by ajnabi:
"Locker room" behavior, Bizo, refers to a group of immature, hormonally active group of men or boys who get a kick out of ANYTHING sexual.

This tape should not have been passed out in ANY way, so I agree with D Advocate. Not only that, but you're saying it's to verify rumors?! It's people having sex, for God's sake. It's NOBODY's business except theirs, unless it was indeed rape, which means only the correct government authorities get involved. Nobody else. Where is your sharam, people?

Do you really inwardly think that God or the Prophet, for that matter, would approve of anyone to be watching some sort of tape, just to VERIFY that it happened? I wouldn't pass it forward to anyone else, were I you, Bizo... it's highly, highly inappropriate.

And prostitutes are women too, after all. And I disagree with Miss S (sorry! ) but I do think prostitutes aren't entirely desensitized to the entire sexual act. I saw a documentary on street walkers once and some of them do, in fact, enjoy it. The ones who were ACTUALLY FORCED in this field had higher levels of desensitization than the one's who chose it as an alternate means of income.

Oh, and Bizo, i'm a "she", not a "he".

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"This tape should not have been passed out in ANY way, so I agree with D Advocate. Not only that, but you're saying it's to verify rumors?! It's people having sex, for God's sake. It's NOBODY's business except theirs, unless it was indeed rape, which means only the correct government authorities get involved."
I agree.

""Locker room" behavior, Bizo, refers to a group of immature, hormonally active group of men or boys who get a kick out of ANYTHING sexual."
I agree partially: Aren´t we all supposed to be sexual and hormonally active? Where do you put the limits? I think the fault is in the one who started distributing it.

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Originally posted by Bizo:

And Debbie, BTW Ajnabi did not say Girlfriend Looker room he said Looker room only.. where did you get that Girlfriend word unless you like to add some spice over it to make a fight,,
and do not worry when Im fifty Im sure will not loose it cause i take very good care of it..LOL

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Hey Bozo...opps, I meant Bizo....with this post you've completely made it clear to everyone on the board that you have no understanding about Western slang...and your comprehension of our posts is limited.

Are there lots of other people on this bulletin board that didn't understand what I meant when I referred to Ajnabi as "girlfriend"? I doubt it.

Sorry I was speaking to Ajnabi, not you in that part of the post, and I do believe she, YES SHE.... Ajnabi is a female.... knew what I was saying.

Don't bother yourself by replying to anymore of my posts unless you understand them, ok? And I'll try to keep them simple for you.

I have always thought u are really "something" after I have read your posting about Egyptian politics (if u remember), but after this postings about this tape, I am really dissapointed in you that one man who could clearly see the "reality" of politics, could not recognize that dentist was committing sex offense.

To never say 1 word, even that this incident is "wrong" for 1 Egyptian Muslim dentist to use his position and tape the sex, and distribution took place for population of Egypt to watch and laugh?!
I had such a high opinion about you. I simply could not belive that those words in your replies were coming from you.

Anyway, what can I do, this means even you can not see wrong doings, so what to expect than from someone else?

The way I questioned this case, was logical, and nobody could answer on my questions that I asked. First of all, when I question the case, and there is no logical answer, I know what that means. How do I know? I know Bizo. I know what I am talking about. Even if this happened with prostitutes its still wrong.

I have no intentions further to argue this incident, b/c its non of my business anyway.

I am investing too much time into Egyptian problems and I made mistake. I will not do that in the future.
But thank you for sharing your story, if someone would tell me that YOU could not see wrong in this case, I would not belive them.

Anyway I am going off the board on 9/13/2002...for 1 month. Take Care, and all the best.

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Originally posted by Bizo:
Dear Ms Sarajevo
I have watched that movie to verify the facts and not to be lead by romours ..
Stay well
Bizo

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Originally posted by Bizo:
Debbie

and Ya helwa [I doubt]

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Point made bone head...or don't you remember writing this?

You are so full of yourself and all the names you can drop... just keep doing it. It is earning you all sorts of respect.

You are absolutely right about my lack of Arabic. (I hope you are happy about my admission...you should be). The difference is, when I don't understand it, I don't try to critique it. You do. Understood?

I really have no more to say on this string, and that should delight you as well. Don't worry...be happy!

You are the one of the most "arrogant" guys on the board. You cant have decent g/friend so u hang around with prostitutes. You sleep with them b/c u can't get any better. And even worse u think they enjoy? hehe... like u are some "macho"... please, see a doctor for your intimacy issues. Who wants to argue with u? haha ........no brain whatsover, and u dont have a look either. Do u have GED at lest? heh...hey maybe I can put you in some of the classes for free, I know u cant afford it.
Please......just skip Miss Sarajevo and go to carmeen (who agrees with u), maybe u get something at the end.

p.s. Why I am so "nice" to u? You asked 4 it.

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Originally posted by AussieInCairo:
I agree with Bizo! Miss Sarajevo is on another one of her hikes into the Himalayas with this one. The dentist (and his lovely cohorts) obviously set the whole thing up maybe for a sleazy prank or to sell the video to his mates as a nice little earner on the side. From what Bizo has said, the chicks were obviously “prossies” who knew they were being taped and were probably receiving a nice fee for their acting abilities! Hell, you don’t have to have half a brain to work that out!

But once again Miss Sarajevo is making some wild assumptions without having access to all the facts, ignoring the obvious and disregarding totally the facts that have been presented by Bizo. Is that how they teach you to analyze things at your university Miss Sarajevo? Or is it your natural tendency (like most chicks) to contrive, gossip, take things out of context and exaggerate things out of proportion? Actually, with your ability, I reckon you’d fit right in here in Egypt as one of the many conspiracy theorists!

Miss Sarajevo is making some ludicrous claims! For instance, she said that “prossies” have no desire for sex because that type of sex is “decentralized”! What a load of feminist theory propaganda! Miss Sarajevo, you shouldn’t believe so many of those boring and outdated feminist theories you read about or get taught at university ... as I’ve always said “those who haven't experienced, teach!” Of course, I’m not saying that all “prossies” enjoy sex with their “johns” but I’m damn sure a lot of them do!!

And as for that ridiculous idea about dropping a tiny pill into someone’s drink so that “they walk, talk, and do everything but has no idea what they are doing”. No such drug exists! The type of drug you're referring to simply makes them drowsy and eventually puts them to sleep! Again, an example of your outrageous exaggeration!

About the only thing you did get right Miss Sarajevo is that this type of tape is pornography but before you or anyone else starts “lecturing” about how pornography is "demeaning to women", is “a violation of womens rights” and “immoral” etc etc, just remember that in a lot of western countries pornography is very legal and has many therapeutic and other social benefits.

AussieBoy

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and I hate to say it as well, but u have no brain to understand almost anything I said.
Flirting is much easier for you, so why did u give up that "part time job" on the board?

ha?

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Originally posted by carmendeespana:
I hate to say it, but I agree with Aussieboy in almost everything he said.

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I hate to tell u but sometimes u simply dont know what are u talking about.
I dont have time to correct your knowledge that u accuired from watching TV, in regards of this matter.

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Originally posted by ajnabi:
And prostitutes are women too, after all. And I disagree with Miss S (sorry! ) but I do think prostitutes aren't entirely desensitized to the entire sexual act. I saw a documentary on street walkers once and some of them do, in fact, enjoy it. The ones who were ACTUALLY FORCED in this field had higher levels of desensitization than the one's who chose it as an alternate means of income.
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I dont know if my reply went through, if not here we go again.

You cant fool me with your stupid illogical statments. You talk like you are pornography lover...hehe sexually frustrated kind of intelligent guy who cant admit in public he likes pornography.

Have u ever considered taping your "tenants"? I know u are renting appartments.

..hehe..watch out..camera in the bathroom...

I am sure you have never tried diving. You speak so much and so much nonsense that you will drawn yourself.

Oh but I forgot!! You´ve taken classes on "Communicative skills"! You have to practise all the time! And oh, you are never offensive, or rude... or anything of the kind... because you control your emotions very well. Wasn´t it like that? Oh, and there was also this other thing... "agression replacement", you called it.

And let me tell you one more thing: How is it possible for a Law student completely involved in classes, to leave the classes during a whole month in the middle of the term? Isn´t it compulsory to go to classes? What are you going to do, show the wedding certificate to your professors when you come back? I think you have been cheating on us.

Carmen

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Originally posted by Miss Sarajevo:
hey carmen,

and I hate to say it as well, but u have no brain to understand almost anything I said.
Flirting is much easier for you, so why did u give up that "part time job" on the board?

ha?

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I´ll take this as a compliment. But let me tell you... flirting is such a complicated thing... you need to show a bit and hide a bit.

FLIRTING ETIQUETTES:

Lesson # 1, you cannot tell a guy directly that you like him... This being a BASIC rule:

"Hey Phoenix,
I like you, whoever you are. You are my type.
100% "

Lesson # 2: Never flatter them in excess. Always remember you have to act all the time like a very modest and shy woman. NEVER act like this woman, under any circumstance:

Case A.- "Dunes, I will certainly miss you."

Case B.- "Thank u Dunes, you are an angel."

Lesson # 3: Never speak to men like if you were Cinderella´s fairy. As in this:

"This is so cute. I am so happy for you. Finally your dreams may seriously come true.
Just follow your heart."

If you have more questions that need further explanations, please DO NOT ask me. You are getting so obsessed that I am seriously thinking this is maybe your idea of ADORING that you have.

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Originally posted by ThePhoenix:
Oh carmendeespana:

What a load of nonsense you do speak.

Gosh, was it flirting? I thought it was just a nice comment - something you could cultivate by the way.

The Phoenix

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For once, I agree with you. I really do think it was only a nice comment. But she claimed that I was flirting for less than that. It really is a long story...

Just have fun around.

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Originally posted by susi:
oooooooooh, so your "smart friend" is not so smart...but maybe the people reading such stories are even less smart than me...how can anyone think they can be gassed and raped without knowing it happens?

That reminds me, not that u asked, of the man who told his wife he wants to have sex when she's sleeping...what woman can sleep thru sex? maybe with some men, you want to just sleep thru it and get it over with...BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT THREAD

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