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Hello Everyone!

I am new to your forum and I am not a troll or lurker. That said, I would like to ask you all for some advice please. My husband is an accountant and has a degree from Cairo University yet he is having a very hard time finding a job (here in the states). I am starting to wonder if his degree is not taken seriously by potential employers. (I am aware that there are MANY reasons why they may or may not call)

I guess what I am asking is has anyone had a similar experience as my husband and if so how did you get past it?

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It's a similar story in the UK, I'm afraid - but there may be some US-based members who may be able to offer some practical advice. There's one I can think of who is hoping to gain a visa for her husband soon, and she has all sorts of plans in place for him to be assured a six-figure salary once he arrives. I'm sure she'll be happy to come forward and share her wisdom!

Good luck!

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me?
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no Micky, I don't remember you saying that, anyway! I'm sure you were a bit more realistic about the whole thing... Everyone is so paranoid at the moment [Smile]
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I was married to a Syrian in the UK for 12 years. He came to the UK in 1984 originally to pursue an academic career. We met in 1988 and married in 1990, he died in 2002.

He got a work permit about a year before we got married and with a BA from Damascus university and an MA from the Sorbonne we thought his academic qualifications he was guaranteed a job. His MA came about as a result of scholarship awarded to the top 5 students in the Arab world to continue their studies abroad. I mean the guy was seriously intelligent. His degrees were in Islamic law specialising in Pre Islamic literature and the MA was in French law. now these degrees weren't immediately usable in the UK but they showed his academic level and that he could do this in two languages.

I am very good at writing Cv and wrote a really good one. My father bought a book on UK companies and we sent letters to hundreds of them. I have to say we got about 3 replies and no offers of an interview.

We wondered if him not being British would be an issue and got help from our local MP to fast track his application for British citizenship. At that time is was taking 3 years and we got our in 10 months. We tried again, nothing.

He tried carving out a career as an independent councillor but rarely got enough to cover his expense never mind any money.

He got some work through a friend of me who wanted translation work. they agreed he was very good but they only need a few letters done. He taught Arabic through the British council but again it was on a demand basis and the demand was never there.

At the end he was looking at a job as a taxi driver but as we had a child he could not do after school till i arrived home from work so was unable to get a set shift and again made hardly any money.

The problem was I was earn a lot, In 2001 i was on £640 per day as a consultant. It wasn't that we need the money but he wanted the dignity. I can not tell you how he felt driving me to the station when I was pregnant and having to see me go off to work.

In the 12 years we were married he never had a full time job and I truly think this weaken his resistance and that is why he got cancer and died.

I felt when I got involved with my Egyptian husband I knew from this experience that taking him to the UK was not an option. I had to go to Egypt. I have been totally right.

I am sorry not to be more positive and I am sure there are successful Egyptians out there but I suspect they were already successful in Egypt and found their own jobs abroad before they moved. i think it is very hard for a foreigner to find work in a competitive market. Given a choice employers will go for John Smith rather than Ahmed Mohammad

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I do not know of an Egyptian story, but I know that also my friend's husband, who was experienced accountant in Slovakia, could not find a good job in US when the family moved there (she got a professor post at a well respected university).

One reason to consider is the big difference in the accounting system, where you really need to know country specific legislation.

On a sad note, my friend's husband ended up washing dishes in university cafeteria because her salary was not enough to support the family, and after 3 years and no better options they returned back home.

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LOL a six figure salary would be awesome of course and then he could become a rock star on the side.

When we came back to the states in April we both started looking for jobs at the same time and we are both accountants. I found a job right away and he is still searching. He even applied to NASA saying at least when they don't call him back he will know why haha.

I want so much to help him because he is starting to feel bad about the whole situation.

Akshar, your husbands story is a very sad story indeed. I hope of course that it won't be the same for us. Thank you for sharing it with me.

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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Hello Everyone!

I am new to your forum and I am not a troll or lurker. That said, I would like to ask you all for some advice please. My husband is an accountant and has a degree from Cairo University yet he is having a very hard time finding a job (here in the states). I am starting to wonder if his degree is not taken seriously by potential employers. (I am aware that there are MANY reasons why they may or may not call)

I guess what I am asking is has anyone had a similar experience as my husband and if so how did you get past it?

I'm not trying to get very personal but do you live in a rural area of Colorado? That makes a difference sometimes, especially with regards to him being an Arab man.
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< felt when I got involved with my Egyptian husband I knew from this experience that taking him to the UK was not an option. I had to go to Egypt. I have been totally right.

I am sorry not to be more positive and I am sure there are successful Egyptians out there but I suspect they were already successful in Egypt and found their own jobs abroad before they moved. i think it is very hard for a foreigner to find work in a competitive market. Given a choice employers will go for John Smith rather than Ahmed Mohammad >

Very enlightening your info,Ashkar,specially geared for those women who think that only Love or good wishes will suffice [Roll Eyes] when they embark on the journey of moving their Egy husbands to live with them in USA or UK,in this case.

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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Hello Everyone!

I am new to your forum and I am not a troll or lurker. That said, I would like to ask you all for some advice please. My husband is an accountant and has a degree from Cairo University yet he is having a very hard time finding a job (here in the states). I am starting to wonder if his degree is not taken seriously by potential employers. (I am aware that there are MANY reasons why they may or may not call)

I guess what I am asking is has anyone had a similar experience as my husband and if so how did you get past it?

Just a question as you say you are an accountant yourself and have managed to find work. I know the US system is not that different to the UK and in the Uk a degree in accounting is not considered an accounting qualification, just the first step on the ladder. You have to go on and take professional qualifications following the degree to be considered a qualified accountants so surely he needs to qualify as a CPA to call himself an accountant and compete for jobs. If he studies for the CPA then he will learn the US rules and regulations of accounting and tax and even if he cannot find an employer to accept him could he not then set up his own business?
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Its not too personal ...we live just outside of Denver.

He will be starting school here soon to prep for the CPA exam, maybe after that things will look brighter for him.

It is amazing how people out here react to my husband. When he says he is Egyptian they are like woooooow. he laughs and says "yes woooooow my grandpa built the pyramids". haha. Once these employeers meet him they will love him, they just need to call.

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Yes, there are some that will embrace his Egyptian nationality and see him as merely the offspring of the pharaohs, but others will see him as ARAB ARAB ARAB. Thankfully it sounds like you guys are surrounded by some nice people, good for you. I hope he finds work soon and god-willing that CPA exam should help him. [Smile]
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Penny- Yes you are correct on all counts. Right now he is just looking for something entry level to help him learn the system in the US while he is studying for the CPA. It’s just that he has sent out his resume to "not literally" hundreds of jobs and has not gotten even one call back.

I plead ignorance to what my husband and I will face going forward.

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<It is amazing how people out here react to my husband. When he says he is Egyptian they are like woooooow. he laughs and says "yes woooooow my grandpa built the pyramids". haha.>

This could also be that Egyptian sounds very exotic to some people. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Penny- Yes you are correct on all counts. Right now he is just looking for something entry level to help him learn the system in the US while he is studying for the CPA. It’s just that he has sent out his resume to "not literally" hundreds of jobs and has not gotten even one call back.

I plead ignorance to what my husband and I will face going forward.

Well if the US is anything like the UK there is a desperate shortage of good quality intelligent bookkeepers. If it was me I would invest in a good quality computerised accounting package, learn how it works properly, then start offering accounting services to local small businesses. From small beginnings big things can grow if you want them to. He can do this and study for the CPA at the same time.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sashyra88:
Very enlightening your info, Ashkar, specially geared for those women who think that only Love or good wishes will suffice [Roll Eyes] when they embark on the journey of moving their Egy husbands to live with them in USA or UK,in this case.

I know reality is totally different but will anyone listen to me when I tell this story. nope love will find a way!!!!! NOT
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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Hello Everyone!

I am new to your forum and I am not a troll or lurker. That said, I would like to ask you all for some advice please. My husband is an accountant and has a degree from Cairo University yet he is having a very hard time finding a job (here in the states). I am starting to wonder if his degree is not taken seriously by potential employers. (I am aware that there are MANY reasons why they may or may not call)

I guess what I am asking is has anyone had a similar experience as my husband and if so how did you get past it?

My Egyptian husband is an accountant as well. It took him about 5-6 months to find a position as a staff accountant for an accounting firm, after 2.5 years he is aiming at CFO. And his last name is VERY not popular in US!!! [Big Grin] We now live in WDC.

Things to consider while job hunting, according to our experience:

a) Have patience - even American citizens looking for a career jobs usually take more than 3 months to land it.
b) I am not sure about Colorado system, but here job agencies are a godsend: they have temp, temp-to-perm and perm assignments that are free to the employee. Look them up in the phone book or INternet and direct your husband's resume there - they make money off each hired employee and it is actually in their best interest to find him a job.
c) Try www.craigslist.com for either your city or Houston - they have both direct and job agencies ads.
d) Best of luck to your husband in finding a good job! [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Its not too personal ...we live just outside of Denver.

He will be starting school here soon to prep for the CPA exam, maybe after that things will look brighter for him.

It is amazing how people out here react to my husband. When he says he is Egyptian they are like woooooow. he laughs and says "yes woooooow my grandpa built the pyramids". haha. Once these employeers meet him they will love him, they just need to call.

LOL!! I understand what you mean. In places like Glendale, a lot of people barely bat an eyelash at the mention of Egyptian ancestry. But, you come up farther North and most people are quite astonished. It's rather amusing. [Big Grin]

On a serious note, there are agencies in Colorado that are helpful in job hunting. Some provide services in helping to spruce up resumes, aid in job searching, offer advice for presentation and decorum during an interview, etc. Your husband may wish to utilize these services as many of them are free to low-cost. Just an idea. [Smile]

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Egyptians in NY work in Arab establishments such as:

Superettes
Grocery stores
Arab Restaurants
Arab shops that sell Muslim products

There are some that drive Taxis

There are some that are Doctors

And then you have ones that own their own business

They are at every level even if minimally but for some reason they don’t assimilate as well as Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Jordanians. These nationalities are wealthier than most Americans and many are rich indeed.

Egyptians are not well represented in the US. The above nationalities I mentioned account for over 60% of Arab Americans. I believe the lack of Egyptians in America makes it harder for newer Egyptians. The support is minimal and they must rely on either Americans or Arab Americans and sometimes the Arab animosity(bias agains a fellow Arab) extends to America.

If you guys are familiar with Kennedy Boulevard in Jersey City and the surrounding neighborhood you would know that many Egyptians manage to survive by offering their services to themselves and to other Arabs. Some statistics place Egyptians as low as 4% of all Arab Americans. They simply don’t have a network to rely on and new immigrants facing bias like those before them need a network when moving to a new country.

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what kind of network? my husband will be coming very soon
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A network of friends and relatives already established in the country

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thanks aksar. i have plenty of egy. families here that cant wait for him top come and they are established and will be willing to give him a good job
plus my brother can get him into his business

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quote:
Originally posted by MICKY A:
what kind of network? my husband will be coming very soon

Arabs of your kind who are already well established, some people from the Levant for example have jobs waiting for them from Arab American lawyers. This is an example of a network; many Arabs prefer to work with their own kind in the Professional capacity. Quite frankly they would prefer to give a decent job to one of their own. Arabs that are left on their own and facing bias from many people must rely upon cash jobs. Such as driving a taxi or working in a store. Arabs are like earlier immigrants they deal with their own. Some Iraqi Shia for example would drive all the way from Queens to buy from a Shia Butcher in Brooklyn. Councils of neighborhood mosques are controlled by different nationalities, you have the Palestinians that control some mosques and you have Lebanese that control others and you have Mosques controlled by Egyptians and they usually hire their own. This is not the case for all mosques but some neighborhood mosques that are founded by certain people, this is the case.

With you he does not have to worry, you are intelligent and you will teach him the ropes [Wink]

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thanks for the confidence sob [Smile] we are closer to Philadelphia then ny but there are plenty of my egy friend here to help him if thats what he wants ,he can choose whatever he wants to do.
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quote:
Originally posted by MICKY A:
thanks aksar. i have plenty of egy. families here that cant wait for him top come and they are established and will be willing to give him a good job
plus my brother can get him into his business

i think he should pray two rakat and prostate to the ground twice and be grateful for such a woman who is there for him.

[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by MICKY A:
thanks for the confidence sob [Smile] we are closer to Philadelphia then ny but there are plenty of my egy friend here to help him if thats what he wants ,he can choose whatever he wants to do.

I honestly believe a network is essential for Arabs who arrive on their own, without wives or fiancés. Having a wife waiting for you is a million times better than any network. A network will afford you a job. A native wife will help you get one + with some love [Smile]

This is my opinion and I think the ones having a hard time are those in certain states, Philly is commercialized and part of the greatest part of America NY to D.C [Smile]

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well thank you
he is a wonderful man and deserves the best [Wink] i will stand behind him on whatever he decides to do. i just hope he gets here in time for then big egy. festival. i feel like i am in egy, when i go there . the food is awesome [Razz]

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Don't worry Cairo U. alumni seem to do well in this field, he just has to be a bit persistent and patient. His degree shouldn't be the problem, make sure you review his CV (it should be meticulous) and his cover letters. Also has he tried taking the government exams and putting in an application for those types of jobs? If you're interested in the east coast, let me know (PM me) I can forward his resume if he's looking to network in NYC.

Sadly it's true that most Egyptians that come to the US work those types of jobs, but in some circles (which I've come to realize is a slim minority) there are many white collar workers.

Best of luck [Smile]

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quote:
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If you're interested in the east coast, let me know (PM me) I can forward his resume if he's looking to network in NYC.


This is the beauty of ES. This is what we need here.

Thank you Ms.Cairobug

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quote:
Originally posted by gr8at2d:
Its not too personal ...we live just outside of Denver.

He will be starting school here soon to prep for the CPA exam, maybe after that things will look brighter for him.

It is amazing how people out here react to my husband. When he says he is Egyptian they are like woooooow. he laughs and says "yes woooooow my grandpa built the pyramids". haha. Once these employeers meet him they will love him, they just need to call.

The great positive side of going for his CPA in the US is the opportunity to network with his colleagues and teahers/professors.

Many students attending will be already working in accounting firms or knowing people.

Some teachers/professors recommend their students.

Some firms actually send their recruiters to visit different universities - to check out the best and hire them!!

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Mrs. Micky...have you tried the pigeons?.....I'm not really feeling it....have any great recipes you would like to share....1 on 1....as to not bore the room?.....I want to be able to cook for my guy.....but I gotta work somewhat within my animal group.....chickens...lambs...cows...dare I say pigs...eeeek!.....no guts...no feet or paws....hehe.......type of recipes? [Smile]
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ReenaModa831 , i have a lot of recipes, but it will be posted in the "eat like an Egyptian " section.
i don't want to change what we are talking about here so look for some there and just i tried [Big Grin] the pigeons

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If you think it's trying to get the interview, and afterwards you feel he'll wow them over, one suggestion is to change his first name to a completely american sounding "nickname". Kind of like many Chinese adapt (since americans find their real names difficult to work out.) The combination of "familiar" first name and exotic surname will give people the illusion that he's a first generation born, rather than fresh off the boat.

At least you'll eliminate the possibility he's not getting calls bcs people assume there will be a cultural/language barrier.

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If you think it's trying to get the interview, and afterwards you feel he'll wow them over, one suggestion is to change his first name to a completely American sounding "nickname". Kind of like many Chinese adapt (since Americans find their real names difficult to work out.) The combination of "familiar" first name and exotic surname will give people the illusion that he's a first generation born, rather than fresh off the boat.

At least you'll eliminate the possibility he's not getting calls bcs people assume there will be a cultural/language barrier.

That is quite a good tip I think. I certianly find the combination of Jane and Akshar doesn't prejudice people. Jane being such an English name. Actually I do wonder if a complete name change might do the trick. We never tried that but didnt think of it.
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I cannot comment on the situation in the States, but here in the UK a friend who recently advertised on behalf of his company for a graduate accountant entrant received over 800 replies! Regrettably, this is the norm. However, once qualified (I think its ACCA) they can name their price.

Personally, I would not change my name to apply for a job, and I would not wish to work for a company who employed staff (HR etc who make selctions) who operated on the fringes of discrimination.

Ashkar - you are so right. A woman bringing a man to the UK or America and assuming he will be successful is usually disappointed. But so are many women who travel to Egypt to find a husband. I do not know the answer...

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Personally, I would not change my name to apply for a job, and I would not wish to work for a company who employed staff (HR etc who make selections) who operated on the fringes of discrimination.

In an ideal world i would agree with you but we don't live in an ideal world and if you have no work for years i think you would be prepared to try anything.

Also you can fudge a bit, my Syrian husband was called Ayman but it could have been spelt Eamon and I know some one called Youness and you could spell that Eunice

Unfortunately firms are selective and when thye are goign through 800 CV's silly things can get you rejected even though you would be ideal. Apparently a CV has 5 seconds to make an impression. Having got your foot on the ladder it would be so much easier after a couple of years to move to another company and have the luxury of being more picky.

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Surprisingly no one has yet to look at my husband as an "Arab". Most ppl think it's cool that he's Egyptian and even ask what language he speaks, lol. You would be surprised at the number of ppl who don't equate Egyptian with Arab. Even with the large Arab/Mid Eastern population in my area, my husband has run into some difficulty with speaking with other "Arabs". They tend to not understand his dialect and vice versa.

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Yes, there are some that will embrace his Egyptian nationality and see him as merely the offspring of the pharaohs, but others will see him as ARAB ARAB ARAB. Thankfully it sounds like you guys are surrounded by some nice people, good for you. I hope he finds work soon and god-willing that CPA exam should help him. [Smile]


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I am a CPA who used to work for one of the big 4 in Cairo before switching to Private equity. Even in Egypt it's really hard for the 30,000 accountants who graduate from Egyptian universities (Cairo Uni, Alexandria Uni, etc) to land a good paying job.

Some will sign up for english/computer/business courses at the AUC as a way to stand out from the rest of the crowd while the more fortunate will pursue a US designation (CPA, CMA, CIA, CFA).

Every year there are about 800-1000 Egyptians who travel to the US just to sit for the CPA exam in the hope of getting a well-paid position in a multinational in Egypt or the Arab Gulf.

As for the US, there is a huge demand for "qualified" auditors and accountants specially after the Enron scandal and the introduction of SOX.

http://www.careervoyages.gov/top50occupations-main.cfm?pagenumber=1&sortby=projectedneed

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I have met one Egyptian businessman recently. He is the husband of my Egyptian friend. She is nice and funny. I can't believe that such a good woman can be married to such a jerk.

He was very arrogant, and he had "it's all about the money" type of attitude.

He was obsessed with money and how much he can get out of each deal, siding with capitalistic beliefs, and I told him at the end, "Hm... are you sure you will take all your buildings into the grave with you? Where is kindess and Islamic thought?" He looked at me, and I looked at his wife and felt truly sorry for being married to such an ass.

He is in real estate business, totally sides with landlords and completely ignores tennats rights ( he owns some buildings and real estate in Egypt too ), so I told him, what kind of businessman he is if he forgot the village he came from. [Wink] [Big Grin]

Now this man demends total respect, had an ego of the size of Monteverest, would not get out of the car ( BMW or so ) to greet me, and when his wife ( my friend ) finally convinced him to do so, he acted as if he is Head of Security Department with sun glasses, black suit, full of ego and crap about himself.

I thought he is going genuinly to protect my interests, but he was only concern about how much money I am paying, and he sided with those who want as much as they may possibly get. Sure enough, I fired him as to be my real estate agent and hired a woman who was searching a place for me instead. She was more competent. Next!

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Another Egyptian I have met recently was a cabdriver from Cairo. He told me bunch of stories how Egyptian Christians have no rights in Egypt like Muslims and that their Churches are set on fire. I asked him, where is his wife and children and why is he working in foreign country away from his family. He said he came to west on bases of persecution by Egyptian Muslims ( fear of persecution ). I asked him than, why he left his wife and children if he feels it's UNSAFE.

He than began talking pro-Bush and anti-islamic views to me. I asked him if he knows any country in the world where Muslims were massacred recently? He said - NO. I asked him if he remembers genocide in bosnia, sudan, killings of albanian muslims in kosovo, iraq, lebanon, palestine, and if he recalls that orthodox from yuguoslavia were killing both catholics and muslims. He said he never heard of Christians killing muslims, and got really suprised that Orthodox were killing catholics. I start laughing.

It was clear to me that he obtained legal status in the country based on his fear of persecution, but when he goes to Cairo I am sure he never mentions how he got his status in west. I wondered would the husband and the father put his wife and children in such danger if the Cairo is killing Christians as he described.

We argued about 30 minutes ( he was my cab driver ), I told him at the end that perception I have about him as Egyptian Christian is same as for Egyptian Muslim, as both cultures are very alike and they both eat the same food, and listen the same music, and have similar upbringing thus he is in no way CLOSER to Christians of western culture.

He acted very old fashioned stating that he would not allow his Christan daughter to marry American, Jewish or Muslim under any circumstance. He got so angry when he asked me would I marry a Christian man and if yes under what condition, and I told him what he did not want to hear, sure I might marry him after he declares his Islamic faith and become Muslim first, and if he loved my culture, language, music, food, if he wants to rise kids in islamic way, can understand my family and our history, why not... etc... He got sooooo pissed off, yet when it comes to his daughter... double standard is obvious. He also placed virginity on pedestial trying to say something along the line that if woman is not a virgin she is a whore.

I never hired him for another ride. [Big Grin]

Oh yeah, the guy in the 1st case scenario had also "american" version of his arabic name. I am totally against changing your name, however in this time it's not very safe to be who you are we don't live in totally free society.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Sashyra88:
Very enlightening your info, Ashkar, specially geared for those women who think that only Love or good wishes will suffice [Roll Eyes] when they embark on the journey of moving their Egy husbands to live with them in USA or UK,in this case.

I know reality is totally different but will anyone listen to me when I tell this story. nope love will find a way!!!!! NOT
I`ve read a nice expression today:
Keep your eyes open to reality, but don`t let yourself capture by it!
Almost 100% of the Egyptian men I know, with and without University degree, indeed works below their level in low payed jobs, in the Arab-scene.
BUT, there is also one who build an enormous reputation in medical field, including making an own clinic. Just by his own original Arabic name...
What should be the difference? I don`t know him personally, but he has a big carreer.So it has been possible, at least for him...

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Thank you all very much for your responses. We finally decided to go another route until he gets his CPA and he is interviewing for translating jobs. The jobs are great, with great pay and great benefits. He speaks 5 languages, we just had to find a way for that skill to be used here in the middle of the country haha.

Again thank you all so much.

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I wish you the best of luck
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quote:
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Thank you all very much for your responses. We finally decided to go another route until he gets his CPA and he is interviewing for translating jobs. The jobs are great, with great pay and great benefits. He speaks 5 languages, we just had to find a way for that skill to be used here in the middle of the country haha.

Again thank you all so much.

Does he have his MBA? I know in Mass you need that now along with I believe 3 years of experience before you can be certified. (along with passint the test of course)

Maybe if he gets his mba while he's working as a translator he will have more leverage when applying for entry level positions in a cpa firm.

Regardless if he passes the test though you do need a few years of working experience in a cpa firm or in an internal audit dept of a private company before you can get certified.

When I got certified the rules were different and I just needed a bachelors. I worked for KPMG for 3 years and then left for private accounting once I got my certificate. Now I just have to keep my cpe's updated every two years which is no biggie since my company pays for it.

Good luck!

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If he fulfils the 150 credit hours requirement and passes the CPA exam, he can obtain his CPA license from Colorado or Illinois without any work experience.
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quote:
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If he fulfils the 150 credit hours requirement and passes the CPA exam, he can obtain his CPA license from Colorado or Illinois without any work experience.

Wow that's easier than here in Mass! Here there are two types of licenses now. (there was only one when I got mine in 1992 I think). The full reporting license requires 1,000 hours of work experience with 300 in full disclosure compilations whereas with the nonreporting license if the person has a graduate degree they don't need any work expereince but if they have a bachelors they need one year in a cpa firm or three years in a nonpublic firm as long as they are directly supervised by a cpa.

There are other requirements too. I wonder if other states have as hard of a requirement as Mass has. I never looked into reciprocity if I move elsewhere but I have been thinking about that in case I move to another state at some point.

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