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I think an ultrasound from 5+ weeks will show something. One at three weeks shows nothing (I know, I was there lol). I would have thought a doctor would know that, and wouldn't worry a mother. In england, the first one is at 12 weeks, though I went private and had one at 8 (as three week scan freaked me out, and made me worry nothing was there!).
I have never heard a bad thing about folic acid. You are supposed to take it from before conceiving until 12 weeks, for the reasons Slewth mentioned. A doctor, no matter how good, can look at someone and say: "You're fine"- especially someone overweight. I am high risk by englands standards because of it. I'm not complaining, I get an extra scan, so get to see my lil one an extra time. Never go to a doctor who hasn't even got their toilet plumbed in yet, that's all I'm saying BUT- don't think I'm slating Egyptian health care. I'm just slating the guy I saw. I'm sure many of you (who have had babies, or health issues) in egypt received great care. Feel free to share your stories, as I would hate this to turn into another slating egypt thread.
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Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
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quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
So if he has to pay does this include the egyptian man who has his wicked way even though in my eyes it takes two to tango and do the splits .
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There is NO WAY the CSA can chase a man in Egypt, so the money will come from single parent benefit.
I had a mixed lot of doctors in Egypt to be honest, some where great others really crap. I would say i felt better having my 3rd child in the UK purely because i KNEW the system better. It just made me feel more comfortable. One doctor in Egypt wanted to knock me out completely for the birth of my son - WTF it was only when i changed doctors and made a birth plan with him that i realised lots of women i knew do this in Egypt. Also C-Sections are really common too, i had to make my hubby swear he would not consent willynilly. To only consent if he had too!
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People living abroad do not have to pay child support unless they are working for the British government (such as being deployed in the army etc). Obviously that isn't the case with Egyptian guys.
Eek HB. I would hate to be knocked out whilst giving birth. I don't want to feel the pain, but I don't want to be out cold either! The idea of giving birth in egypt would freak me out because the doctors/midwives would probably be talking arabic with each other, and I would personally want to know everything said when I’m the one in labour.
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quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: I think an ultrasound from 5+ weeks will show something. One at three weeks shows nothing (I know, I was there lol).
Quite interesting the following link. By the end of viewing all pictures yoú'll be a pro!!
Pregnancy Ultrasound Photos Week by Week for Fetal Development
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So is it right then the man does not get to see his child grow up if they want to play a part in the upbringing of the child .But some not bothered cause the state will keep them and no worries on money part . So just saying it was a must in the UK and you had to by law name the father where ever he resided ,what you say i had a fling in Egypt and i do not know or where he lives ,but if they had the fling here and you knew who it was you rip his ass to shreds .Why is it ok to sleep with someone you hardly no and then get up the duff and go home .What ever happend to religious moral principles .So confused on women who need or even men come to think of it that need to sleep here and there .
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quote: Would not know dont like kids . But correct me if wrong you do not need to pay in England if you are on NHS .And dont they like the CSA involved make the man pay or does the state keep them .
In England everyone is covered by the NHS, we don't pay a penny because a certain percentage of our wages go to it (although it also covers every one whose income is too low to contribute), just like tax. As for CSA, I don't know much about child support. If the man (or woman) is not living with the child, then he/she has to pay. The amount depends on their income. However, it is best to do this privately instead of officially, otherwise it can effect the amount the woman is entitled to from other benefits (like income support).
Health-insurance payment is income-related? We HAD something similar, but right now everybody has a basic health insurance, with a free choice in insurance company. Monthly rate is ± € 95,- p/p a month. Low incomes are getting a kind of subsidy. Insurance companies are not allowed to refuse anyone, because that was the problem before. As soon as anyone was a too big risk because of a bad health, the companies refused them, so all what was left, was a kind of gouvernment insurance which was extremely expensive. (200% of the current amount)
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Cheap, really? Everybody is complaining here! As I understood, also in Germany there are certain treatments allowed, while they are forbidden in Dutch healthcare. For some treatments it is kind of 'new' to go to Germany or Belgium because normally they don't have waitinglists. At the same time it is reason to investigate the treatment by itsselve, because it also could be less safer as it is in Holland. Since a few years there are a sort of independant treatments centre's owned by the same doctors as in the hospitals. Strange thing is they work much faster, give the same treatment, and its cheaper, so the insurance allows. The problem is, they only give the kind of treatments with the highest profit, don't have their own labatories, x-ray departments etc. So, people go there, because they are helped faster, and for the regular hospitals the less lucrative issue's are left: First aid, lab, x-ray, and the very specialised departments like heart-surgery clinics. It brings a completely false position in health-care. So, I guess we need to have much changings in health care.
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NHS isn't health insurance, it's our national health service. A poor person will get the same medical care as a rich person (unless you go private, which costs). I don't pay towards NHS because I'm a university student, so only work part time- but that just doesn't come into it when I need to go into the hospital. It isn't their job to care what I have paid, etc, they just have to help whoever turns up, whatever the circumstances.
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quote:Originally posted by pondadreefah: So is it right then the man does not get to see his child grow up if they want to play a part in the upbringing of the child .But some not bothered cause the state will keep them and no worries on money part . So just saying it was a must in the UK and you had to by law name the father where ever he resided ,what you say i had a fling in Egypt and i do not know or where he lives ,but if they had the fling here and you knew who it was you rip his ass to shreds .Why is it ok to sleep with someone you hardly no and then get up the duff and go home .What ever happend to religious moral principles .So confused on women who need or even men come to think of it that need to sleep here and there .
Interestingly in the UK (and it also applies throughout the Commonlaw countries), you don't have to put the father's name on the birth certificate as this gives the father certain parental rights... and the father is STILL legally responsible for paying child support.
If he denies, then you can force him to get a DNA test to prove he's the father, and they will then take child support directly out of his employer's paycheck! All this, and the father has no legal rights to the child.
Very pro-woman, the system, almost unfairly so.
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quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: Eek HB. I would hate to be knocked out whilst giving birth. I don't want to feel the pain, but I don't want to be out cold either! The idea of giving birth in egypt would freak me out because the doctors/midwives would probably be talking arabic with each other, and I would personally want to know everything said when I’m the one in labour.
You can't be knocked out during NORMAL delivery. You need to be awake so you can push the baby out. I THINK (???) HB means c-section?
Yes they have horror stories but those stories seem to be all over internet, no matter what subject. If all goes well no one bothers to tell it here.
It's not really that bad at all. At least the staff in "my hospital" was really sweet and helpful. Everyone was. You just need to find the right place.
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No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful. Posts: 895 | Registered: Sep 2007
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quote:Originally posted by happybunny: No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful.
Nah i don't believe that for a second! it's so you won't scream your head of when they rip you asshole to breakfast!! Posts: 3945 | From: ' Res Contr ' Amor non es guirens, lai on sos poders s'atura | Registered: Dec 2007
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quote:Originally posted by happybunny: No i do mean knocked out! Then forceps are used, honestly my MIL said I should do this - less painful.
We never get medications by giving birth. If it really would be that horrible, nobody would have more then one kid.
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I Have known some people to come to the uk..fly over and get pass passport control,make it into london city pass out then taken to hospital get free medical care...before hand they were seriously ill..come here saying their on visiting visa then drop down dead in the street... get the operations they need then bugger off back to their own country when there fit enough to travel...happens all the time...The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
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quote:Originally posted by marydot: I Have known some people to come to the uk..fly over and get pass passport control,make it into london city pass out then taken to hospital get free medical care...before hand they were seriously ill..come here saying their on visiting visa then drop down dead in the street... get the operations they need then bugger off back to their own country when there fit enough to travel...happens all the time...The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
I beg to differ i have been refused and now you need to show your a resident for more than a year and have had your own passport stamped other wise to show you have been there more than a year ..But not sure how it goes in a life and death situation ,dont think Uk would allow someone to die!!would they? Not like some parts of America no insurance no gain .
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quote:Originally posted by ExptinCAI: you don't have to put the father's name on the birth certificate as this gives the father certain parental rights... and the father is STILL legally responsible for paying child support.
you are not allowed the put the fathers name on the birth certificate unless he is actually there with you, or he has completed the form to say he is the father of the baby.
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I didn't even look or care about my birth certificate as a child, so I doubt it would have damaged me whatever it said. My brother has no father on his, and he has never cared.
As for father having no rights- if in england, then then I'm pretty sure a father does have rights, and the woman has to allow him visitation (otherwise he can take her to court). Obviously, it is different when the person is abroad, because such rules are impossible to enforce then.
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oh please, what a stupid comment..... my child will know who her father is, just because his name is not on the birth cert doesn't mean her mind will be destroyed when she is older! i think good parenting, good upbringing, and stability is alot more important than a piece of paper.
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The uk dont care if your black or white rich or poor if you need medical attention then its there we dont refuse anyone...
If you are British, non resident for 5 years, you no longer qualify for free treatment.
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Isn't it is this way that a doctor HAS to give medical treatment because of his oath? (Hippocrates) Since this year we all had to show our ID's, so it gets documentated in healthcare, and they did so because there were problems with getting healthcare on somebody elses registration. But I can remember the newspaper published about dentist treatments for some homeless, while they were not insured. Think they have budgets for that...
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Clarification on free treatment in any UK NHS clinic or hospital :
The free treatment comes from income related National Insurance payments.
If you are British resident who has been non resident for 3 months, then you will have no free treatment.
You then require to give proof of UK residency for a minimum of 6 months before you requalify.
Or if you have been paying your National Insurance while out of UK, you qualify.
When you are admitted to hospital, admin will check your National Insurance number. If in doubt, the National Tax Office will be contacted. (This is also where people are caught out if have not been sending in yearly tax forms) If not a British National and have no Uk residency, then you will be billed.
Yes, many will run without paying but if remain in UK, eventually will be caught.
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Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
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quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
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quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
Ask your Qurani Friends!
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quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: Of course you would assume they did not get married in Islam to get married all you need is your mahram (a father, brother, son, uncle, grandfather) who approve of the marriage and give your hands in marriage and 2 witnesses, and after getting married this way (sex and baby's are halaal) you can go on with the paper work to get it legal by the country you live in, so that stupid people would not assume anything! Muslim people get married this way all over the world!
what if you dont have father, brother, uncle, grandfather and your only son is not Muslim???
Ask your Qurani Friends!
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One doctor in Egypt wanted to knock me out completely for the birth of my son - WTF it was only when i changed doctors and made a birth plan with him that i realised lots of women i knew do this in Egypt. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Also C-Sections are really common too, i had to make my hubby swear he would not consent willynilly. To only consent if he had too!
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