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Chrisderfer
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Hello all,
I need an apartment to rent for one or two years in Zamalek, starting in August.

I will most likely live alone, but I can rent a two bedroom apartment.

Walking distance to Metro mart, or 26th of July Street, would be great.

If you are a simsar, I will only consider your services if you take commission from the apartment owner.

Chrisderfer@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by Chrisderfer (edited 12 May 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by Sonomod_me:
I will post some of her materials from this website, then post a snippet from a book, which will be very useful for African Americans looking into relocating to Cairo.

The mission of AMERA Egypt is to promote the legal protection of asylum seekers and refugees through increasing
access to administrative justice in international and local institutions; providing legal advice on
matters relating to asylum determination, re-settlement, family reunification, and other matters relating to
the enjoyment of the fundamental rights; and educating members of the legal profession in matters relating
to the law affecting refugees in Africa and the Middle East.


http://www.amera-uk.org/files/AnnualReport2004.pdf

Amy (Lynn Johnson) wife of Ayman Mohamed and mother of maria

who live on 1512 Spruce Place Apt #101 Minneapolis, MN 55403

-3416 (612) 871-8357. [Big Grin]

http://www.egypttpyge.com/forums/album_mod/upload/44bfeb0a

644b0730c9871ec8b1880b89.jpg

quote:
Originally posted by Organized Crime:
Now this is the juicy snippet I found this weekend.

Somehow I feel the refugee situation has exasperated the

color/race issue in Cairo.

This is long and difficult to digest, but its best to start

chewing on it now. Its like petrified red meat.

From the book Cairo: City of Sand by Maria Golia

pg.127

called Caucasian type generally associated with foreigners

and upper-crust Egyptians. Some Cairenes may recall that

several centuries of their city's history belonged to the

original Caucasians, the ones from the Caucasus (Circassian

Mamlucks and Turks of Circassian extraction), whose features

include light skin and light-colored eyes. Whether

associated consciously or not wih the old ruling class, there

is a marked preference for so-called Causcasian attributes.

Many young brunettes lighten their hair; a larger number

regularly endure the ordeal of straightening it. Middle and

upper-class girls can purchase disposable coloured contact

lenses at any number of pharmacies.

portray, it is unlikely that an inferiority complex is the

cause for them. As a theory explaining social ills, the

khawagaa
complex merely substitutes psychological

barriers for quantifiable, and actionable, constriants.

The term 'imperialist oppressor' (which barely had time to

fall into disuse before its unfortunate post 9/11 revival),

however vehementally employed, nearly always hides a grudging

esteem. No matter how hypocritical or manacing first world

nations maybe, htye have cities with proper schools and

parks, and governments who serve the people at least once in

a while. Likewise with regards to the strangers in their

midst, the wealthy Egyptians, no matter how pretentious, the

fact that they travel and that their children are healthy and

well-educated does not escape the average Cairene's notice.

Interest in the perennial other, whether foreign by birth or

lifestyle, is a mtter of self-appraisal and definition, a

weighing of pros and cons, a granting of concessions to

reality. The Cairene conceit, arrived at through comparison,

is a practical one. 'We're better people, but they're

better off.'


The official attitude is less frank. However avid for the

percieved benefits of capitalism, accommodating to foreign

interests on economic issues, or suspectible to foreign

models of so-called modern life, the line of demarcation

between 'us' and 'them' is conspicuously drawn in laws

relating to marriage. Women who eschew teir compatriots as

spouses were once obliged to relinquish their nationality.

While that is no longer the case, they still cannot pass

Egyptian citizenship onto their children. Although born and

raised in Egypt, children of foreign fathers will always be

treated as outsiders by a vindictive bureaucracy as

punishment for their mothers' lack of discriminiation.

By contrast, when an Egyptian man marries a foreign women,

the latter is typically granted an Egyptian passport (having

supplied the requisite ream of paperwork) within a year or

two of request, suggesting tht feelings for foreigners cut

both ways. Many Egyptians describe local feelings towards

foreigners as envy's admixiture of lvoe and hate, and the

contigent desire to emulate and absorb the other. We'll

absorb you gladly, is the message sent to the foreign lady,

because you've shown such fine judgement in choosing us.



The impulse to emulate foreigners is evident in popular

perceptions of beauty. Far from idealizing the attractions

of the dark-eyed and honey-hued, favour attaches to the so-

called Caucasian type generally associated with foreigners

and upper-crust Egyptians. Some Cairenes may recall that

several centuries of their city's history belonged to the

original Caucasians, the ones from the Caucasus (Circassian

Mamlucks and Turks of Circassian extraction), whose features

include light skin and light-colored eyes. Whether

associated consciously or not wih the old ruling class, there

is a marked preference for so-called Causcasian attributes.

Many young brunettes lighten their hair; a larger number

regularly endure the ordeal of straightening it. Middle and

upper-class girls can purchase disposable coloured contact

lenses at any number of pharmacies.

Light skin is unabashedly marketed; billboards for Fair

and Lovely, The World's Number One Fairness Cream
dot the

city. Television commercials for the same product feature

high school girls about to audition for the play Kais and

Leila
, a romance from classical Arab literature. The

class vedette wants to the lead role, but her schoolmates

warn her that Leila was 'beautiful' whereas she is 'dark'.

The girl hastens to buy bleaching cream and, several

timelapsed shades paler, gets teh aprt and appreciative looks

from her make classmates.

quote:
Originally posted by Organized Crime:
Now this is the juicy snippet I found this weekend.

Somehow I feel the refugee situation has exasperated the

color/race issue in Cairo.

This is long and difficult to digest, but its best to start

chewing on it now. Its like petrified red meat.

From the book Cairo: City of Sand by Maria Golia

pg.127

Underlying these interactions, however fleet or superficial,

are sinous currents or feeling, but how mcuh does the average

Cairnene really care about foreigners? Probably

nowhere near as mcuh as foreigners devel on Egyptians'

preceptions of them. It is both foreign residents and upper

-class Egyptians who postulate the khawagaa complex (

foreigner complex) they attribute to Egypt at large. The [i

]khawagaa[/i] complex is theoretically provoked by peoples'

insecurities regarding the west and its intentions, and a

lack of confidence because of substandard education, a slow

economy and rhetorical democracy. The khawagaa

complex is a kind of post-colonial trauma, a side effect of

globalism, that state of everwhelmed resentment at not being

able to 'keep up'. While there is truth in these

observations with regards to the conditions of life they

portray, it is unlikely that an inferiority complex is the

cause for them. As a theory explaining social ills, the

khawagaa
complex merely substitutes psychological

barriers for quantifiable, and actionable, constriants.

The term 'imperialist oppressor' (which barely had time to

fall into disuse before its unfortunate post 9/11 revival),

however vehementally employed, nearly always hides a grudging

esteem. No matter how hypocritical or manacing first world

nations maybe, htye have cities with proper schools and

parks, and governments who serve the people at least once in

a while. Likewise with regards to the strangers in their

midst, the wealthy Egyptians, no matter how pretentious, the

fact that they travel and that their children are healthy and

well-educated does not escape the average Cairene's notice.

Interest in the perennial other, whether foreign by birth or

lifestyle, is a mtter of self-appraisal and definition, a

weighing of pros and cons, a granting of concessions to

reality. The Cairene conceit, arrived at through comparison,

is a practical one. 'We're better people, but they're

better off.'


The official attitude is less frank. However avid for the

percieved benefits of capitalism, accommodating to foreign

interests on economic issues, or suspectible to foreign

models of so-called modern life, the line of demarcation

between 'us' and 'them' is conspicuously drawn in laws

relating to marriage. Women who eschew teir compatriots as

spouses were once obliged to relinquish their nationality.

While that is no longer the case, they still cannot pass

Egyptian citizenship onto their children. Although born and

raised in Egypt, children of foreign fathers will always be

treated as outsiders by a vindictive bureaucracy as

punishment for their mothers' lack of discriminiation.

By contrast, when an Egyptian man marries a foreign women,

the latter is typically granted an Egyptian passport (having

supplied the requisite ream of paperwork) within a year or

two of request, suggesting tht feelings for foreigners cut

both ways. Many Egyptians describe local feelings towards

foreigners as envy's admixiture of lvoe and hate, and the

contigent desire to emulate and absorb the other. We'll

absorb you gladly, is the message sent to the foreign lady,

because you've shown such fine judgement in choosing us.



The impulse to emulate foreigners is evident in popular

perceptions of beauty. Far from idealizing the attractions

of the dark-eyed and honey-hued, favour attaches to the so-

called Caucasian type generally associated with foreigners

and upper-crust Egyptians. Some Cairenes may recall that

several centuries of their city's history belonged to the

original Caucasians, the ones from the Caucasus (Circassian

Mamlucks and Turks of Circassian extraction), whose features

include light skin and light-colored eyes. Whether

associated consciously or not wih the old ruling class, there

is a marked preference for so-called Causcasian attributes.

Many young brunettes lighten their hair; a larger number

regularly endure the ordeal of straightening it. Middle and

upper-class girls can purchase disposable coloured contact

lenses at any number of pharmacies.

Light skin is unabashedly marketed; billboards for Fair

and Lovely, The World's Number One Fairness Cream
dot the

city. Television commercials for the same product feature

high school girls about to audition for the play Kais and

Leila
, a romance from classical Arab literature. The

class vedette wants to the lead role, but her schoolmates

warn her that Leila was 'beautiful' whereas she is 'dark'.

The girl hastens to buy bleaching cream and, several

timelapsed shades paler, gets teh aprt and appreciative looks

from her make classmates.

quote:
Originally posted by Organized Crime:
Now this is the juicy snippet I found this weekend.

Somehow I feel the refugee situation has exasperated the

color/race issue in Cairo.

This is long and difficult to digest, but its best to start

chewing on it now. Its like petrified red meat.

From the book Cairo: City of Sand by Maria Golia

pg.127

Underlying these interactions, however fleet or superficial,

are sinous currents or feeling, but how mcuh does the average

Cairnene really care about foreigners? Probably

nowhere near as mcuh as foreigners devel on Egyptians'

preceptions of them. It is both foreign residents and upper

-class Egyptians who postulate the khawagaa complex (

foreigner complex) they attribute to Egypt at large. The [i

]khawagaa[/i] complex is theoretically provoked by peoples'

insecurities regarding the west and its intentions, and a

lack of confidence because of substandard education, a slow

economy and rhetorical democracy. The khawagaa

complex is a kind of post-colonial trauma, a side effect of

globalism, that state of everwhelmed resentment at not being

able to 'keep up'. While there is truth in these

observations with regards to the conditions of life they

portray, it is unlikely that an inferiority complex is the

cause for them. As a theory explaining social ills, the

khawagaa
complex merely substitutes psychological

barriers for quantifiable, and actionable, constriants.

The term 'imperialist oppressor' (which barely had time to

fall into disuse before its unfortunate post 9/11 revival),

however vehementally employed, nearly always hides a grudging

esteem. No matter how hypocritical or manacing first world

nations maybe, htye have cities with proper schools and

parks, and governments who serve the people at least once in

a while. Likewise with regards to the strangers in their

midst, the wealthy Egyptians, no matter how pretentious, the

fact that they travel and that their children are healthy and

well-educated does not escape the average Cairene's notice.

Interest in the perennial other, whether foreign by birth or

lifestyle, is a mtter of self-appraisal and definition, a

weighing of pros and cons, a granting of concessions to

reality. The Cairene conceit, arrived at through comparison,

is a practical one. 'We're better people, but they're

better off.'


The official attitude is less frank. However avid for the

percieved benefits of capitalism, accommodating to foreign

interests on economic issues, or suspectible to foreign

models of so-called modern life, the line of demarcation

between 'us' and 'them' is conspicuously drawn in laws

relating to marriage. Women who eschew teir compatriots as

spouses were once obliged to relinquish their nationality.

While that is no longer the case, they still cannot pass

Egyptian citizenship onto their children. Although born and

raised in Egypt, children of foreign fathers will always be

treated as outsiders by a vindictive bureaucracy as

punishment for their mothers' lack of discriminiation.

By contrast, when an Egyptian man marries a foreign women,

the latter is typically granted an Egyptian passport (having

supplied the requisite ream of paperwork) within a year or

two of request, suggesting tht feelings for foreigners cut

both ways. Many Egyptians describe local feelings towards

foreigners as envy's admixiture of lvoe and hate, and the

contigent desire to emulate and absorb the other. We'll

absorb you gladly, is the message sent to the foreign lady,

because you've shown such fine judgement in choosing us.



The impulse to emulate foreigners is evident in popular

perceptions of beauty. Far from idealizing the attractions

of the dark-eyed and honey-hued, favour attaches to the so-

called Caucasian type generally associated with foreigners

and upper-crust Egyptians. Some Cairenes may recall that

several centuries of their city's history belonged to the

original Caucasians, the ones from the Caucasus (Circassian

Mamlucks and Turks of Circassian extraction), whose features

include light skin and light-colored eyes. Whether

associated consciously or not wih the old ruling class, there

is a marked preference for so-called Causcasian attributes.

Many young brunettes lighten their hair; a larger number

regularly endure the ordeal of straightening it. Middle and

upper-class girls can purchase disposable coloured contact

lenses at any number of pharmacies.

Light skin is unabashedly marketed; billboards for Fair

and Lovely, The World's Number One Fairness Cream
dot the

city. Television commercials for the same product feature

high school girls about to audition for the play Kais and

Leila
, a romance from classical Arab literature. The

class vedette wants to the lead role, but her schoolmates

warn her that Leila was 'beautiful' whereas she is 'dark'.

The girl hastens to buy bleaching cream and, several

timelapsed shades paler, gets teh aprt and appreciative looks

from her make classmates.

More garbage, crap crap and more fucking crap


Amy (Lynn Johnson) wife of Ayman Mohamed and mother of maria

who live on 1512 Spruce Place Apt #101 Minneapolis, MN 55403

-3416 (612) 871-8357. [Big Grin]

http://www.egypttpyge.com/forums/album_mod/upload/44bfeb0a

644b0730c9871ec8b1880b89.jpg.


Amy (Lynn Johnson) wife of Ayman Mohamed and mother of maria

who live on 1512 Spruce Place Apt #101 Minneapolis, MN 55403

-3416 (612) 871-8357. [Big Grin]

http://www.egypttpyge.com/forums/album_mod/upload/44bfeb0a

644b0730c9871ec8b1880b89.jpg


Amy (Lynn Johnson) wife of Ayman Mohamed and mother of maria

who live on 1512 Spruce Place Apt #101 Minneapolis, MN 55403

-3416 (612) 871-8357. [Big Grin]

http://www.egypttpyge.com/forums/album_mod/upload/44bfeb0a644b0730c9871ec8b1880b89.jpg


http://www.egypttpyge.com/forums/album_mod/upload/08b1744e3242d2cc7d9eaca717c895ce.jpg

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hi , i m an italian girl i ll come in cairo on september and i m looking for a room in zamalek.if u know something tell me
giovanna8482@hotmail.com


quote:
Originally posted by Chrisderfer:
Hello all,
I need an apartment to rent for one or two years in Zamalek, starting in August.

I will most likely live alone, but I can rent a two bedroom apartment.

Walking distance to Metro mart, or 26th of July Street, would be great.

If you are a simsar, I will only consider your services if you take commission from the apartment owner.

Chrisderfer@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by Chrisderfer (edited 12 May 2004).]


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hi,
my name is hany and we are real estate brokers (simsar). we have great apartements in all around cairo including zamalek we will take our commission from the apartement owner only. our prices ranges from 500-1000$ per month and this is according to the the area where the apartement is. concerning the area that you described this will start at 750$ per month. if you have any problems concerning moving from the airport. we can pick u up from the airport to the flat for only 40$.
for more details you can email me at hany_rafik@hotmail.com

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40 dollars ride from the airport to the apartment oh boy.........you make me laugh...
40 dollars=280 pounds ride from the airport... while taxis charge 50 pounds top...good start to do business with the guy....


quote:
Originally posted by hany rafik:
hi,
my name is hany and we are real estate brokers (simsar). we have great apartements in all around cairo including zamalek we will take our commission from the apartement owner only. our prices ranges from 500-1000$ per month and this is according to the the area where the apartement is. concerning the area that you described this will start at 750$ per month. if you have any problems concerning moving from the airport. we can pick u up from the airport to the flat for only 40$.
for more details you can email me at hany_rafik@hotmail.com


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Mokoo you are great and in fact I was going to write to this guy advising him not to take seriuosly what Hany Rafik offered. Hopefully there are more honest, generous and helpful Egyptians than cheeky people...and we, people who know Egypt and Egyptians get easily angry with this kind of people...
In Spain we face the same problem with foreigners and people who want to take advantage from them, by cheeting them...
Thanks again for everything darling!!

quote:
Originally posted by Mokoo:
40 dollars ride from the airport to the apartment oh boy.........you make me laugh...
40 dollars=280 pounds ride from the airport... while taxis charge 50 pounds top...good start to do business with the guy....




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Don't worry...of course $40 is out of the question for a taxi ride! I'm not a Cairo newbie...I lived here before for about 2 years but just moved back. I have no interest in the Egyptian real estate companies on the internet because they're horribly overpriced. Though I'm far from fluent in Arabic, I know enough to walk around the neighborhoods and talk to bowwabs to get in touch with available flats....but it didn't hurt to put a free message on here asking if anyone has an available flat.
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hey guys you sure got me very very wrong, i didn't mean 40$ dollars for ataxi drive!!!!! i meant picking him from the airport to the all available flats he may see to rent and any other place he may want to go which means being with him all the day and not with a taxi. it's a 2004 model air conditioned car with a cheffeur. you just ask any company for renting cars about the prices of a 2004 model car. and please don't insult before understanding.
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quote:
Originally posted by hany rafik:
hey guys you sure got me very very wrong, i didn't mean 40$ dollars for ataxi drive!!!!! i meant picking him from the airport to the all available flats he may see to rent and any other place he may want to go which means being with him all the day and not with a taxi. it's a 2004 model air conditioned car with a cheffeur. you just ask any company for renting cars about the prices of a 2004 model car. and please don't insult before understanding.

(B S) Mr.


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If you want to find a simsar, the best way would be to walk around Zamalek, the simsars usually hang around the cafesthen ask the servers at the cafe if there is a simsar there.. Also, hairdressers or other locals in the area may be able to direct you to a simsar..
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"Help me in ur country, help u when u r alone in mine"
what's up with u guys

cost of B class Appartment here in Zamalek is for 1500 EGP max = 190euro , a luxorious one= 350euro max

A taxi ride from the airport to zamalek= 20- 25EGP and I offer a free BMW ride for Italians, I m serious.(Egyptians love u guys).


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Thanks a lot, and don't worry....all the foreigners know how nice and honest are Egyptians!!

quote:
Originally posted by amgadamir:

"Help me in ur country, help u when u r alone in mine"
what's up with u guys

cost of B class Appartment here in Zamalek is for 1500 EGP max = 190euro , a luxorious one= 350euro max

A taxi ride from the airport to zamalek= 20- 25EGP and I offer a free BMW ride for Italians, I m serious.(Egyptians love u guys).



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