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Originally posted by zlisiecki:
Hi, could somebody give me, please the link to a translation of pyramid texts if such a translation is possible. is it true that one can find there a version of ten commandments earlier than the one given by moses ?

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Originally posted by Ozzy:
The Egyptian god and belief system has been suggested by some and supported by some here as possibly originating from real people and experiences. Myth and legend weaved into a religiouse belife through time based on real events from Egyptian history.

I find it strange that one can have faith in the AE religion and gods on this basis while at the same time deni that the same may be the case with other religions.

It has been mentioned many times that many religouse leders of the jewish faith have pointed out that the message is more important than the historical facts of the stories and charactors.

I think I could safly say that the AEs would have taken thier myths and legend litarly in thier day, much the same way many do of thier religions today.

As Tolen wrote:

"And some things that should not have been
forgotten were lost. History became legend.
Legend became myth."

Ozzy

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Originally posted by ausar:
The book of the dead probabaly originated much earlier than the presumed date,but was exclusive to elite Egyptians. The Book of the Dead was complied in a written format in a much latter date. The time of Moses is supposdely dated to the time of Rameses. The book of the dead existed well before this time period. By the way ,most likley Moses is a fabrication,anyway.

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The fact that the book of dead was only accesable to the elite Egyptians, is important, in that the ten commandments were offered to the masses, do we see something there? If the two came from the same source what does that tell you?

Ozzy

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The fact that the book of dead was only accesable to the elite Egyptians, is important, in that the ten commandments were offered to the masses, do we see something there? If the two came from the same source what does that tell you?

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Well,after the Old Kingdom this was not true. The masses enjoyed the Per En Hru and eternal life. As in the Old Kingdom is was only granted to the per-aa.

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Originally posted by ausar:
Well,after the Old Kingdom this was not true. The masses enjoyed the Per En Hru and eternal life. As in the Old Kingdom is was only granted to the per-aa.

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Missed my point, it was not accessable to the masses in 1250 BC when the ten commandment may hae been given to the masses. If they come from the same origin then maybe the myth or legend may have come from a situation were the religion in its entirety was being offered by those who were prepaired to offer it to the populace.

Ozzy

Lots more influce crept into Judahism besides the ten commandments. The fact that Egyptians refrained from fish with scales,pork,and other taboos. The influce of Hammurabi on the Ten Commandments should also be emphaized.

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Originally posted by ausar:
Middle Kingdom dates to around before 1900 B.C. and certainly the general populace knew of the Per en hru well before this time period. The whole history of Moses and the hebrews is speculative anyway. Nobody has pinpointed exactly who they were and wheather they were actual figures or just archotypes.

Lots more influce crept into Judahism besides the ten commandments. The fact that Egyptians refrained from fish with scales,pork,and other taboos. The influce of Hammurabi on the Ten Commandments should also be emphaized.

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Again I dont despute the connections although I do have trouble understanding why one religion is accepted for its myths and legends and others like the hebrews mythhs and legends are taken literaly. Particualy when many of thier leaders have said that the stories are and were emelished, to bocome more myth than fact. Take them for what they are and the connection may become very clear.

Ozzy

btw.: your discussion about religious evaluation is a little too abstract for me. i am only interested in the answere to the question if and in what extent judes copied the idea of written rules for ethic from egyptions.