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http://www.hbo.com/realsports/stories/2005/episode.102.s2.html

A Source of Shame

One of the biggest challenges for American sports fans is understanding the huge appeal of professional soccer (football) in Europe. To a large degree, the scope of the intense hometown support and spirited rivalries that exist between dueling teams is admirable athletic competition. But extreme fan behavior is also part of the mix in European football. Now, a three-year REAL SPORTS investigation uncovers a disturbing, unchecked aspect of fan activity -- blatant racism. Among examples of extreme fan reaction to individual players are the mimicking of monkey sounds and the throwing of bananas anytime a black player touches the ball, as well as the waving of swastikas and open Nazi salutes. Speaking with Bryant Gumbel, players such as Thierry Henry of England's Arsenal reveal that in parts of Europe "home field advantage" has less to do with the color of one's jersey and more to do with the color of one's skin.

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Hmmm, I wonder how an Ancient Egyptian would be treated if they attended a soccer match in Spain or England and sat in the wrong section. I doubt he would get out unharmed, if alive at all.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
From the reconstructions TD it looks like King Tut would get along fine. How long are you going to say the same thing over and over again? I am coming to the belkief that you have no life out side of race. What a waste....

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Did you see that episode of Real Sports? Were you as shocked as I was or is that the norm in your neck of the woods? I don’t know who that guy was in the reconstruction, but Tut from the depictions left by the Ancient Egyptian would probably be killed if he sat in the wrong section.

you ain't seen nothing yet! In some areas, many Europeans are freethinking and liberal but when it come to excellence thy do not like seeing successful non Europeans in places of exalted success. This is mostly seen in the lower classes of Europe, the commoners.

There are exception to every rule.
Pak bashing at one time was a popular sport for the low class English but funnily they couldn't distinguish between a Hindu and a Muslim so they all ended up with buss head (both Hindu and Muslim).
The skinheads could not try dat on Africans because they would get a good cut arse!

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
From the reconstructions TD it looks like King Tut would get along fine. How long are you going to say the same thing over and over again? I am coming to the belkief that you have no life out side of race. What a waste....

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Keep in mind that the English, in many ways, treated the East Indians in the same manner that Americans treated Blacks. In fact, in England most Southern East Indians were considered Black and still are by many.

Excerpt from: A Political History of Asian Indians in the United States

by Vinay Lal

In Britain, where Indians appeared to tolerate being lumped together with Africans and Caribbean people as "black", even deriving new political coalitions and formations in the common interest of combating oppression, in the United States the designation "black" was seen as condemning one to membership in a permanent underclass.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Diaspora/roots.html

As for treatment of East Indians by Americans, they were subject to numerous race riots.

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In 1907, Asian Indians were the victims of a racial riot in Bellingham, Washington, and henceforth concerted attempts would be made by the Asiatic Exclusion League and other associations to prevent further immigration from India into the United States and to restrict the capacity of those already in the country to own property.

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Originally posted by tdogg:
Has anyone seen this episode? I was shocked at the blatant racism allowed at soccer matches in Europe. And I thought the Europeans were more liberal.

Hmmm, I wonder how an Ancient Egyptian would be treated if they attended a soccer match in Spain or England and sat in the wrong section. I doubt he would get out unharmed, if alive at all.

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White-Nazi people don't only hate people who are Black or African a Middle Easterner/Arab or a 'Paki' would just got treated as bad as a black/african person would or even worse yet those people are of the same 'race'.

There have been more racist attacks on Middle Eastern/Arab/North African/South Asian people then on Black African people in Europe.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Pooooooor East indians, Pooor blacks ....jesus!!!! Crocodile tears are pouring down my face. So the world isn't always fair, what else is new. Get off your a$$, go out and make a difference and stop worrying about things you can't control.
Condi Rice may well end up President of the United States (elected by white people) good thing she does not live in the past like the rest of you folks.

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As long as you stand corrected on this point. East Indians have the appearance of the Tut reconstruction and yet are considered Black in English societies and have faced oppression. The question of the thread was whether or not AEs might be oppressed by Europeans and I gave some history supporting the idea that they would. If you don't have anything constructive to say concerning a particular thread why do you bother to post? Seems to me you simply lost the debate and tuck your tail between your legs. I suggest you be more graceful in losing since you seem to do it a lot.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Actually a set of new polls gives Condi Rice half the black vote vs Mrs Clinton. No dem can win without the black vote. You also need to understand that Mrs Clinton gives up 30 ststes before the election even starts.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Mrs clinton is trying to sell herself as a moderate. The Republicans will not let her get away with that when the election starts. She is hated in the south and the grain belt. I'll assure you that southern rednecks will vote for Condi Rice before they will Mrs Clinton. Name me one red stste she can carry. I'm telling you, we may have a black woman president in 2008. Condi Rice has star quality.

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It is so convenient that you proffer so many subjective ideas on this board, and you are Republican...................predictable

that's why there is afrocentrism and pan-africanism ....you worry about who's gonna be president, while we worry about you.
you worry about rednecks.........

you worry about rednecks.........

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Pooooooor East indians, Pooor blacks ....jesus!!!! Crocodile tears are pouring down my face. So the world isn't always fair, what else is new. Get off your a$$, go out and make a difference and stop worrying about things you can't control.
Condi Rice may well end up President of the United States (elected by white people) good thing she does not live in the past like the rest of you folks.

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condie is so brilliant............

NAME one thing condie rice has ever done, "directly" or indirectly, to further the interests of black people; or towards moving black people out of poverty in the United states?

or

colin, michael massey, michael steele, ken blackwell, or any others of the black clown posse wing of the republican party

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Pooooooor East indians, Pooor blacks ....jesus!!!! Crocodile tears are pouring down my face. So the world isn't always fair, what else is new. Get off your a$$, go out and make a difference and stop worrying about things you can't control.
Condi Rice may well end up President of the United States (elected by white people) good thing she does not live in the past like the rest of you folks.

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Don't be an @ss. Those soccer players are doing something with their lives. But, some ignorant fan throw bananas, spit on them, and make monkey calls whenever they touch the ball. What did they do wrong? The only reason for their treatment is the color of their skin.

Hor, I see why you are disliked around here.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Hey, I'm the guy that will be voting for the black woman.

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Personally I'd prefer Barack Obama for President.

'08 reasons why Obama will run for president

Not simply because he is Black, he seems like a tried and true progressive and uniter, someone this country needs running it. He can relate to people of different backgrounds I think he would be a much better candidate than Hillary who many feel is too liberal. Condi is a very intelligent person but I am turned of greatly by anyone involved in the Bush administration. My mother though she is a Black woman and from Alabama with a similar background as Condi said she'd rather vote for Clinton than Rice. She sees her as a sell out, she admires her but views the Bush administration as evil. If Condi ran for President I'm sure she would split the Black vote just for being Black.

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Originally posted by AFROCENTRIST32:

condie is so brilliant............

NAME one thing condie rice has ever done, "directly" or indirectly, to further the interests of black people; or towards moving black people out of poverty in the United states?

or

colin, michael massey, michael steele, ken blackwell, or any others of the black clown posse wing of the republican party

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You know, that would be a good reason for not voting for Condie race or any other Black person. A Black person as president cannot be concerned with just Black people or even give preferential treatment to them. They must be concerned about the nation as a whole.

So the question really should be, what has Condie done for America? Thats why she should run for Governor first. Some people would just use her as a figurehead and nothing more - just to beat the Democratic party. I personally would much rather have seen Colin Powell run for president.