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Neith-Athena
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Besides the actual overt mechanics of Eurocentrism, how does it actually work to get ordinary, decent human beings to believe in its tenets? Are people really so gullible, or do they really need so high a boost of self-esteem that from the time they are in elementary school they are taught about the achievements of whites, and sometimes of Asians, but not at all of Blacks? Is there really such a primal, dark side of human beings that everyday persons, professors, teachers, co-workers, believe in Eurocentrism so much, without divulging it overtly because it is politically incorrect, that they will not examine things with their own eyes and minds and will instead just go along and say things like the Egyptians were Asiatics or civilization goes from east to west? Can such persons believe in their superiority while at the same time not even considering themselves racist?

Is Eurocentrism so powerful because the self-esteem of the ruling class and, in the United States, the majority of the population, is boosted so much that people who benefit from it are unwilling to critique and analyze it? How to make an ethical judgment? Are these persons with whom one interacts good or evil? Do non-white, non-African peoples go along with Eurocentrism because whites are willing to acknowledge that they had civilizations, and they are not as low down on the scale as Black Africans (I am thinking of people like Gobineau and others with their endless lists hierarchically structuring ethnicities, with western Europeans at the top and "True Negroes" at the bottom?

Also, what do posters think of the East/West dichotomy which completely leaves out the South, namely, Africa? I got this book from a Mexican writer, Octavio Paz, who goes so far as to say that civilizations in pre-Columbian America are an extension of the East. Is "East/West" a catchphrase, without historical validity?

I would appreciate your thoughts and input.

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Psychological warfare is a critical component of Eurocentric imperialism. It is achieved by means of violence and economic upper hand. Economic upper hand means being dominant in the most affluent layers of the society, and thereby make the decisions affecting the society through the various media comprising government, mass media, education, employment et al. As such, the ideology of these layers are assured priority in the mass media and education, which are all tools of early social conditioning. To this extent, their ideals are basically shoved down everyone’s throat to some degree or another, whether they like it or not. Of course not everyone under this environment are part of the ‘sheep’ flock, which is why we have vociferous dissidents, and the not so vociferous ones. However, in an environment such as this, efforts of such individuals can only become effective on a larger scale when the greater part of the population are enticed to come to common ground, organize and rise up against the status quo. The reality is that, this usually takes time, whereby processes gradually progress into change to some degree or another. It is because it takes time for ordinary people to get onboard, and organize in such a way so as to facilitate change much sooner. Organization is the key, imo.
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Theories of social organization and advancement are as old as life itself. One of the most critical aspects of this development is the need to forge a common identity among a group of people to have them think and act as one, according to a common purpose. No matter where or when you find advanced societies on earth, they have all had this theme in common. As part of this pattern there is always an explicit definition and distinction between "us" and "them", "order" versus "chaos" and "progress" versus "decay". This type of conditioning is inherent in any organized social entity. Therefore, many leaders of Eurocentric movements have always used ancient principles of social unity and advancement in order to further their aims of European/white supremacy. The Americans use the pyramids and other Egyptian symbols of cosmic order and the Germans used the ancient Hindu sign of completion as the basis of the swastika. So, yes, the Eurocentric agenda is still a powerful force in the daily lives of people of European descent and they KNOW it. In one way or another the system subtly and not so subtly promotes the Eurocentric point of view for the masses. While this sort of conditioning is inherent in any organized society, the aims and ends to which it can be used can be evil, nefarious and barbaric. But the nature of this paradigm forces those who have benefited from such nefarious acts to stay rooted in it, as it provides them justification and support for their behavior. Therefore, most people just go along with it, as going against the grain takes more effort mentally, socially and economically than it does to just go with the flow. Of course I am not just talking about mere racist or bigoted attitudes, but the whole system of Eurocentrism and white supremacy in all its various and multitudinous dimensions.
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quote:
Also, what do posters think of the East/West dichotomy which completely leaves out the South, namely, Africa?
I've noticed this also. Like North and Southern Africa doesn't exist. Its because people are dumb enough to fall for the Eurocentric tricks.


Whites want to say they had a hand in Ancient Egypt. There are no Europeans indigenous to Africa. They then have to find ways to become part of Africa. So they try juxtaposing people in order to say that Ancient Egyptians are mixed.


The fantasy is that West Africans look the least like Ancient Egyptians. So they were deemed by most deranged fantacists to be the true negroes. The other part of it is that Sudanese and indigenous Egyptians look the most like the Ancient Egyptians. Therefore they are caucasoids by way of hamites and caucasoids from Europe or Asia.


As a result of this they then have to grab any other groups that they deem as resembling the Ancient Egyptians.


The Southern Africans and indigenous North Africans pose a problem because they often violate both the sick fantasy of the hamitic caucasoid look and the equally sick fantasy of the true negro look.

[North Africa - Mali, Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria, Tunisia, Niger, Chad, Libya, Egypt, Sudan]

Therefore it is convenient to leave them out of the dialog when discussing Africa. Although there have been those that have claimed that only the Pygmy are the only people who are the true negroes. Most are comfortable with the West African/East African dichotomy. Framed this way the gullible minds of the fools it works on stops analyzing.

Afterall if you see pictures of Southern Africans and indigenous North Africans can they really be said to be causcasoids? Not that East Africans can also. They don't look like Europeans or West Asians either. But for some reason that seems to have a lot of traction with imbeciles.


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Is Eurocentrism so powerful because the self-esteem
It's interesting because everytime I google something African there are endless amounts of people belonging to a certain African nation that do nothing

nothing but try to down other Africans. These sorry saps claim that they are Arabs and even say they are not Africans.

They even try to create their own Hitler style African hierarchy. Trying to include themselves with Ethiopians, Eritreans and North Africans. Amusing because I've seen Ethiopias and Eritreans post how much they disdain this certain ethnic group. The North Africans including Sudanese don't even think about this said ethnic group.

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Neith, to answer your question in short: Eurocentrism was at first an idea. All movements begin as ideas. Only when the idea becomes popular, does it become a movement. When the movement becomes greater, does it become something more like (as Wally says) Dogma.

Eurocentrism, by the way is the very basis of white supremacy. Eurocentrism was concieved during the advance of European civilization after during the "Enlightenment" and not surprisingly reached its height during European imperialism, when Europeans almost 'owned the world' (Many think they still do). It's interesting to note that Europeans only dominate if other allow them either by force or psychologically.

By the way, this has nothing to do with 'race' or the fact that they are white but is an understandable part of human nature. When you have a group or collective groups of people who achieve many things, then naturally a superiority complex would develop.

So how about starting an Afrocentrism thread, particularly about those like Clyde and his ilk. [Wink]

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