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I'd presented the web page below with African king Laszlo of 15th century Hungary when finding a Hungarian book with a picture a few days ago of Nagy Istvan: a name which translates into Charles the Great - Charlemagne. He reigned during a time the Germanic migrations to Europe were just beginning and when Europe was still primarily populated by a Capsammochal population. King Otto III in 1010 AD opened the tomb of Charlemagne in Aachen Cathedral where he was buried and found his well-preserved body whose face served as a model for the statue made of him remarkably African in appearance. The Early Medieval Period had a Christian population that began African with Tertulian and the early church fathers and was still mostly African then. It would be centuries before it took on today's look. The handsome golden face below the crown is that of Charlemagne. The web page linked to it provides more information Charlemagne.
Marc, don't you already have a thread advertising your fantasies here?
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^ Don't feel ignorant, Nefar! The only reason why Marc's crap is hard to understand or believe is that it is nonsense pure and simple!
I'm sorry to say but Marc is a pyschologically conflicted individual who believes in a crazy fantasy that white people didn't exist in Europe until the Middle Ages and that all cultures in Europe before that time period belonged to blacks! LOLPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Nefar: All of this is hard to understand or even believe I feel ignorant.
It's just slave mentality, a slave always admires his master and tries to emulate him as much as possible. It's evident Marc washington suffers from slave mentality.
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^ As sad and pathetic as it sounds, I believe your psychological assumption may be right, Yonis.
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quote:Originally posted by Nefar: All of this is hard to understand or even believe I feel ignorant.
It's just slave mentality, a slave always admires his master and tries to emulate him as much as possible. It's evident Marc washington suffers from slave mentality.
African Vikings, African Japanese Samurai.... virtually no interest in African/Africans.
Yep, we have a winner.
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It is forgotten that whites are not recorded in the archeological record for over a million years and even to the time of Caesar, Africa was nearly wholly African.
Christianity was virtually entirely African up until the time of the Germanic influx into Europe and they were without religion. This is another reason that the African heritage of Charlemagne can be understood. I know all delight in this knowledge and I am happy to share it.
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Again. I want to emphasize that whites had nothing to do with Christianity - the religion of a black Christ that Charlemagne was in worship of and showing his roots.
The Germanic peoples were without knowledge of God and Christian tradition; and new to Europe with the greater bulk of today's Europeans arriving during the Migration Period after the Early Medieval Period - and their entry signaled the beginning of the Dark Ages and the standard of living catapulted downwards.
And in North Europe, the Scandinavian countries, this is true as well. There were no white holdovers from prehistoric times. All whites there today are Germanic peoples and those who preceded them in North Europe were African by phenotype. But, a quote to show whites just came to the continent yesterday:
"A widely accepted theory assumes, that most European peoples have a common origin somewhere in Central asia. Their languages (Greek, Latin, Old German/Old English, Slavonian) are quite similar to each other and even to Persian (Iran) and Sanskrit (India!). For reasons we do not know, they decided to move to the regions of the world where they settle now.
"Frequent but smaller incidents between Roman troops and Germanic tribes did not change a balance of power for several centuries until about A.D. 400. But then the Roman Empire was challenged by severe attacks and raids carried forth to the south of the Alps. So the Romans withdrew troops from their territories north of the Alps (including Switzerland). But they could not prevent the decline of their empire."
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quote:It's just slave mentality, a slave always admires his master and tries to emulate him as much as possible.
I agree this is sound analysis Yonis. It reminds me of Somalis who are all over the internet claiming that they are Arabs and Italians while at the same time experiencing rampant racism and discrimination in Italy and Arab controlled nations.
It is widely known that Arabs used Somalis (non Bantu, whatever Bantu means) as slaves and that Italians also placed Somalis into forced labor. Yet Somalis seem to harbor no ill will towards these people which is a stark contrast to the ill will generated by Somalis at of the rest of Africa.
Yonis, I don't know if you have the answer but if you do please provide it. Why do these people from Somalia seem to suffer from the "Slave Mentality" and/or Stockholm Syndrome?
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quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: Again. I want to emphasize that whites had nothing to do with Christianity - the religion of a black Christ that Charlemagne was in worship of and showing his roots.
The Germanic peoples were without knowledge of God and Christian tradition; and new to Europe with the greater bulk of today's Europeans arriving during the Migration Period after the Early Medieval Period - and their entry signaled the beginning of the Dark Ages and the standard of living catapulted downwards.
And in North Europe, the Scandinavian countries, this is true as well. There were no white holdovers from prehistoric times. All whites there today are Germanic peoples and those who preceded them in North Europe were African by phenotype. But, a quote to show whites just came to the continent yesterday:
"A widely accepted theory assumes, that most European peoples have a common origin somewhere in Central asia. Their languages (Greek, Latin, Old German/Old English, Slavonian) are quite similar to each other and even to Persian (Iran) and Sanskrit (India!). For reasons we do not know, they decided to move to the regions of the world where they settle now.
"Frequent but smaller incidents between Roman troops and Germanic tribes did not change a balance of power for several centuries until about A.D. 400. But then the Roman Empire was challenged by severe attacks and raids carried forth to the south of the Alps. So the Romans withdrew troops from their territories north of the Alps (including Switzerland). But they could not prevent the decline of their empire."
Marc, whites had everything to do with Christianity. It was created formulated and spread by Greeks, Romans and Western Europeans.
Now, if what you REALLY meant to say that the worship of Christ originated with the blessed sacrament of the dying black God Osiris and his regeneration and rebirth, then you would be correct. But that is totally DIFFERENT from saying that Charlemagne was black, because he WAS NOT. But yes, the main aspects of the Christ ritual: baptism, the passion and the Eucharist all are derived from ancient Egyptian concepts of purity and cleanliness (White linen/Sacred pools of inundation), the passion of Osiris and Osiris as the food and water of the earth or bread and wine, symbols of his resurrection and eternal life.
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^ Actually I don't think they were derived from Egypt but were actually Semitic beliefs and customs already in place. You might instead argue that the commonalities perhaps stem from proto-Afrasian beliefs.
But the belief in a god of death and regeneration is found in Semitic religions as well such as the deity Adon for example (Adonis in Greek myth).
The same can be said for ritual purification, although I must say such a custom is widespread among many cultures around the globe.
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When did Ausar go through any "passion?" I thought Set locked him in a box and cut him up? And where among the Semites is there a "passion?"
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The "passion" of Osiris is actually a reference to his aspect as god of procreation/sex/childbirth and how Isis comes to become impregnated by him after death via the immaculate conception. There were rituals, reenactments and depictions of this part of the Osirian drama in various temples throughout Egypt that took place at various important religious points on the AE calendar. This often took place in the Holy of Holies or inner sanctum of the temple which is the womb of life, the primordial mound and the house of the divine seed. Processions and representations of this event were depicted on the walls and part of the rituals, which could last for days. It is actually a more ACCURATE description of parts of the story of Ausar/Auset/Heru, than the Passion of the Christ, which has NOTHING to do with passion at all.
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No. Religiously "passion" was coined for when Jesus was beat up real bad just before they killed the guy.
passion from MIDDLE ENGLISH from Old FRENCH from LATE LATIN passion-, passio; suffering, being acted upon from LATIN passus; past participle of pati to suffer
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quote:Originally posted by Still_Not_Done: It is widely known that Arabs used Somalis (non Bantu, whatever Bantu means) as slaves and that Italians also placed Somalis into forced labor. Yet Somalis seem to harbor no ill will towards these people which is a stark contrast to the ill will generated by Somalis at of the rest of Africa.
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Indeed their slave mentality and stockholm syndrome they suffer from because of Arabs and Italians is immeasurable.
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The Semites of the Levant already had their own myths of a dying and resurrected male god who refelected the agricultural cylce. There was the god Adon worshipped by the Phoenicians as a deity killed only to be rejuventated each spring. There was storm god Baal Hadad who was slain by the god of death, Mot (said to be his brother) and torn to pieces. His sister Anat mourned him and avenged him.
The cult of Jesus was based more on local Jewish Messianic legend. Though whether it was embellished by older beliefs is another matter. Jesus was said to have been resurrected but I don't know if this was based on anything agricultural, let alone his mode of death which was crucifiction. Indeed, 'passion' is not part of the old Ausar rituals or at least I've never heard of it.
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Of course every myth is not based on Ausar and I am not saying that. HOWEVER, Christ as the Messiah was not a diety of Semitic people in the Levant. Remember, according to the story, the Semitic people killed this "charlatan", who would be King. The Christ story was actually based on the myths and dieties attributed to the God Serapis, who was an amalgamation of many Greek dieties, along with the Apis and Osiris and other Egyptian dieties. Serapis was the prototype of Jesus Christ in image and form, being the typical idealized male figure, draped in white and with long curly hair and beard. He was also called the logos and the Christ, hundreds of years before there was a christianity. Many claim that the original reason for the schism in the church and the need for the councils was the fact that many viewed the idea of making Serapis, a symbolic concept of life made manifest in the word, into a literal human being, which gave rise to the various ecumenical councils, which eventually FORMULATED the story of Jesus Christ and made is nature the part of the orthodox Christian canon. The virgin mary comes from Isis, as well as other mother goddesses, but Isis was one of the most popular mother godesses, if not THE most popular mother goddess the Roman world at that time. The birth in the manger with Christ and the cows, meaning he of humble birth, is a reworking of the Egyptian mammesi house or birth house, which was a sacred shrine of Isis and chilbirth, which represented the field of reeds where she gave birth to Horus, in an out of the way place.
The passion of Osiris relates to the act of germination of the seed in Isis from the dead god. This has many meanings on many levels and therefore the rituals and symbolism in the ancient context is much more deep than the simple meanings we give it today. Passion in this sense partly refers to sexuality, as in the means of Isis receiving the seed from the dead god WHO HAS NO PHALLUS. That was considered immaculate, meaning impregnated by the spirit.
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EGYPTIAN "PASSION" PLAYS
This document was originally published in Minute History of the Drama. Alice B. Fort & Herbert S. Kates. New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1935. p. 4.
The Ikhernofret StoneThe world's earliest report of a dramatic production comes from the banks of the Nile. It is in the form of a stone tablet preserved in a German museum and contains the sketchy description of one, I-kher-nefert (or Ikhernofret), a representative of the Egyptian king, of the parts he played in a performance of the world's first recorded "Passion" Play somewhere around the year 2000 B.C. This Egyptian Passion bears a notable resemblance to the Passion Plays of the twentieth century. Its purpose is obviously the same as that of the one at Ober-Ammergau, or the Tyrolean, or the Persian Passion Play of Hussein . . . the principal object, as always, being to keep vivid in the minds of the faithful the sufferings and triumph of a god.
In the case of the Egyptian "Passion" the central figure was the legendary king-divinity, Osiris. According to the historical legend, Osiris ruled wisely. He was treacherously murdered and his body was cut in pieces and scattered. His wife, Isis, and his son, avenged his murder, gathered up the pieces of his body for pilgrimage relics, won back his throne and established the cult of Osiris-worship. We know that Passion plays in his memory were performed annually at Abydos, Busiris, Heliopolis, and elsewhere.
The acting of those days must certainly have been quite as realistic as that of any modern stage, for later Greek historians tell us that many actor-warriors died of the wounds received in the "sham" battles between the enemies of Osiris and the forces led by his son, Ap-uat. The play closes with the resurrection of Osiris as a god and the foreshadowing to all the faithful of their own final resurrection.
Remember, Osiris is another form of his father Geb and Isis is another form of Nut. Geb and Nut were often depicted is being separated from intercourse. Osiris and Isis and the "passion" of their union that produced Horus was a reflection of this. The trinity in Egypt and Africa was mother, father, child. In Egypt Osiris was the seed of the earth. Isis came down as a bird and received the seed of the earth from the decomposing body of Osiris, much as birds are the ones that germinate plant seeds by moving them from one place to another where they germinate. Therefore, the symbolism and meaning attributed to the whole Osirian drama had MUCH DEEPER symbolism that simple life, death and ressurection. Each part of the drama has some symbolic meaining referring to the philosophical, mental, spiritual and natural world that was intended to be conveyed. Agriculture and human procreation were seen as aspects of the divine nature of the earth. The seed of man was seen in much the same way as being part of the same NATURAL cycle of life/death/new life seen in the yearly agricultural cycle. Therefore, life for men, civilizations, cultures also follows similar cycles of birth, death and new birth, which is a reflection of the eternal nature of the earth to ccreate and reproduce, which is divine. It also represents the "life force" or ka of the earth and everything that lives. It represents the divine nature of nurturing from womb to tomb, where nature provides the breath of life, the mana and the water to feed the mind, body and soul on its journey BACK to the earth from which it came. There are many, many aspects to this symbolism in the ancient dramas.
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^ But Aset (Isis) was not a virgin. She did not concieve Heru immaculately but through relations with her momentarily revived husband Ausar.
There were however a number of mother-goddesses who concieved and gave birth immaculately or asexually not just in Egypt but in various parts of the 'Near-East' from the Levant, to Mesopotamia, Turkey, actually in mythologies of different peoples around the world there exists a common belief in powerful goddesses who gave birth asexually.
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Your childish attempt at deflection is futile and only reflects on your inability to handle the facts of the example I placed with Yonis's observation. It is quite noticeable that you react with low brain functioning idiocy and not a counter argument to what was stated since apparently you are reduced to 1st grade minded responses.
Apparently you must be from the country in question. I bet that you are probably a refugee. Judging the anti-intellectual responses you provide, they are therefore a testiment as to why Somalia is a failure and its diaspora is largely and mostly relegated to the lower end of the social and financial structure of the countries they reside in.
Finally, one has to be totally mindless to think that anyone cares about Somalia or its people. In fact I find it is totally the opposite when I search for things African related on the internet. I find Somalis mentioning other people way more than I find those other people discussing Somalis and that's a fact that many people can certainly vouch with.
You should worry more about why Somalis are discriminated against, beat down, put upon, and generally thought of as weak by (and this list is quite extensive):
Arabs Italians Ethiopians South Africans Kenyans Pakistani Englishmen Carribean Englishmen Indigenous white Englishmen white Australians white Germans white Americans African Americans Indians (India)
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^ Still_Not_Done, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you have been hurt by Somalis or something because one Somali poster makes one comment directed at Marc and all of a sudden you make this about Somalis.
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Why don't you quit acting like you're the wet nurse for certain ethnic groups. These are supposedly grown men. Yonis made a statement and I simply gave additional credence to his observation with an example.
The next thing you know you start caterwauling and moaning about somebody going after Somalis. You need to seek some help for your Somali fetish. It's too obvious in your postings.
And since you brought it up.
If anything people on this forum should be acting the way you do when you harrass, insult and obsess certain groups of Africans as well as African Americans.
It is also interesting as to how you seem to respond to white trolls either by coming to their defense Tyrannosaurus OR if the white trolls are too obviously racist you are cordial with them in your interactions with them.
I'm sure other posters on this forum has noticed it. For those who don't compare his responses to White Nord to those of Clyde Winters and other non-Somali/non-Ethiopian Africans and African Americans.
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Djehuti, I also think that you should also stop insulting other posters by calling them nitwits, disturbed, nuts, thick skulled which is well documented in this forum.
Have a good evening Djehuti `_`
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Was trying to avoid another divertion towards a discussion about my people in a topic they don't belong but i have no choice so i apologize in advance to those discussing the topic in question
quote:Originally posted by Still_Not_Done: Your childish attempt at deflection is futile and only reflects on your inability to handle the facts of the example I placed with Yonis's observation. It is quite noticeable that you react with low brain functioning idiocy and not a counter argument to what was stated since apparently you are reduced to 1st grade minded responses.
provide references,citations,images to support your beforementioned claims and i might take you serious
you said Arabs enslaved Somalis + Italians used Somalis in their plantations
back it up, i am ready with my sources.
quote:Apparently you must be from the country in question. I bet that you are probably a refugee. Judging the anti-intellectual responses you provide,they are therefore a testiment as to why Somalia is a failure and its diaspora is largely and mostly relegated to the lower end of the social and financial structure of the countries they reside in.
Finally, one has to be totally mindless to think that anyone cares about Somalia or its people. In fact I find it is totally the opposite when I search for things African related on the internet. I find Somalis mentioning other people way more than I find those other people discussing Somalis and that's a fact that many people can certainly vouch with.
projection,projection,projection yawn! if you don't care then why do you bother writing a long post ->oxymoron! Yonis projected his comment to ''one'' individual(which i personally don't think was right) not to a whole group but you somehow felt offended, this reveals something about yourself and your ad hominem generalization to a whole group is evidence of this.
quote:You should worry more about why Somalis are discriminated against, beat down, put upon, and generally thought of as weak by (and this list is quite extensive):
I don't have to worry about what other people think of me or my people, i'm quite secure with myself so i don't need their recognistion or approval, but i see their opinion of your people matters alot to you, which is imo very sad,one should never allow others to dictate how you should feel about your own people
Black communities of Italy are the least discriminated group there, north africans have it alot harder than Africans from Somalia or Senegal, so it matters not really
quote:Ethiopians
first of all ''Ethiopian'' is not a monolith ethnic group second don't confuse governments with the ordinary folk
quote:South Africans
New immigrant groups are always perceived as potential rivals or competition, this however has nothing to do with the ordinary South Africans who have started neighbourhood patrols to protect Somali entrepreneurs( kinda puts a hole in your little lie)
South African refugees and their freedom fighters in their time of need were given multiple times shelter and many times used Somali army and navy bases for their operations against the Apartheid regime(even the South African president acknowlegdes this fact) my people in their era of stability didn't look down on these gallant people( wow another hole in your previous claim of Somali people hating other Africans)
quote:Kenyans
Kenyans? which ones? Masai? Rendille? Kikiyu? Boranas? Kalenjins?
Somali people are loved by Kenyans for their entrepreneurship and the shipments of cheap gadgets coming from Dubai and China
you a person who has never set foot in Africa, are basing all of your assumptions on hearsay dogma from the net. Somali people have a booming industry in Eastleigh putting out of business the traditional Indian communities. Somali people also make up a large number of the Kenyan army( former head was a Somali General Mahmoud Mohamed who saved the previous Kenyan president Moi from a Coup by the airforce) and the Kenyan parliament
Major General Ahmed Sheikh Farah (former Head of the Kenyan navy)
quote:Pakistani Englishmen
lol never heard of this in RL, because people who live in glass houses never feel like throwing stones at others, and their house is made out of sugarglass when it comes to receiving dirt from their host countries
quote:Carribean Englishmen
Now this is familiar but how is this different from the Maroc/Turk conflicts in Holland or the Serb/Bosniak conflict in their diaspora?
quote:Indigenous white Englishmen white Australians white Germans white Americans
hehe only Somalis? are you sure? wow
quote:African Americans
So African Americans look down on Somali people?(or see them as weak), and when they have the chance would beat them up or put them down? interesting! you must feel really good about yourself huh?
quote:Indians (India)
lol no comment
quote:Have a good nights rest Macawiis.
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quote:Originally posted by Still_Not_Done: Djehuti ying yang yunged:
ROTFL
Is this somekind of ethnic slur. Whatever, but I'm not Chinese! LOL
quote:Why don't you quit acting like you're the wet nurse for certain ethnic groups. These are supposedly grown men. Yonis made a statement and I simply gave additional credence to his observation with an example.
How was I nursing him? I saw your statements, then I saw Macawii's. I just don't want this to escalate into another Somali vs. some other African diasporan group, that was common in this forum not too long ago.
quote:The next thing you know you start caterwauling and moaning about somebody going after Somalis. You need to seek some help for your Somali fetish. It's too obvious in your postings.
Woe! Is this a projection of your own insecurities and/or sexuality on to me?!
quote:And since you brought it up.
If anything people on this forum should be acting the way you do when you harrass, insult and obsess certain groups of Africans as well as African Americans.
And since when have I been prejudiced against certain group of Africans, let alone African Americans?!!
Sounds like more misplaced paranoia.
quote:It is also interesting as to how you seem to respond to white trolls either by coming to their defense Tyrannosaurus OR if the white trolls are too obviously racist you are cordial with them in your interactions with them.
First, T-rex is not a troll or does not mean to be. Second, white trolls who are obvious straight up racists, are trolls that I don't take seriously and I would rather have fun toying with them then actually waste my energy getting mad at them. I'm sorry if you are not mature enough to understand that.
quote:I'm sure other posters on this forum has noticed it. For those who don't compare his responses to White Nord to those of Clyde Winters and other non-Somali/non-Ethiopian Africans and African Americans.
LOL And I'm sure they haven't since what you say is not true, and all it is is YOUR paranoia!!
Again, I don't take buffoons like White Nord seriously, whereas Clyde Winters gets on my nerves posting the same old nonsense every month!
My only question is what is root of your paranoia and in turn false accusations of me discriminating against African Americans. I'm just guessing but I assume they stem from a guy with African American victim-hood issues (?)
quote: Djehuti, I also think that you should also stop insulting other posters by calling them nitwits, disturbed, nuts, thick skulled which is well documented in this forum.
Sorry, but I only resort to name-calling if the poster irritates me beyond my composure. And it takes alot of idiocy to irritate me. Why? Are YOU one of those folks??
By the way, that whole ying yang comment was so foolish it was hilarious.
But seriously the only ying yang I know is these folks right here:
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ But Aset (Isis) was not a virgin. She did not concieve Heru immaculately but through relations with her momentarily revived husband Ausar.
There were however a number of mother-goddesses who concieved and gave birth immaculately or asexually not just in Egypt but in various parts of the 'Near-East' from the Levant, to Mesopotamia, Turkey, actually in mythologies of different peoples around the world there exists a common belief in powerful goddesses who gave birth asexually.
You can't be serious. It was immaculate conception because Osiris had no penis. That was the part that was never found, plus he was dead. Therefore, it was immaculate conception. Put the other religions and goddesses out of this because it only confuses the issue. Isis was the most popular mother goddess of the Roman empire, whose worship was spread far and wide by them. This is a historical fact and the black madonnas are testament to this legacy. Yes there were other mother goddesses, but Isis was a significant factor behind some of the traditions that became Christianity. In fact the last and most grandest temple to Isis built in Egypt was built by the Romans.
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^ I never denied that the black Madonnas of Europe are derived from Egyptian Aset icons.
As for the Aset myth, I guess you did not hear about the part where she created a new penis for her husband and mounted it in the form of her sacred bird, the kite. Thus Heru was concieved during this union.
In fact it would seem unthinkable to resurrect a man let alone her beloved without his sexual organ.
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quote: It reminds me of Somalis who are all over the internet claiming that they are Arabs and Italians while at the same time experiencing rampant racism and discrimination in Italy and Arab controlled nations.
There are some somalis who descend from arabs so maybe those are the ones you've seen claiming arab, but otherwise it's very unlikely you'll see a somali thinking or acting as an arab.
quote:It is widely known that Arabs used Somalis (non Bantu, whatever Bantu means) as slaves and that Italians also placed Somalis into forced labor.
Yeah, right! Is that why southern somalia is flooded with former bantu slaves, why would arabs go the whole way to Mozambique and other south east african countries and bring them to somalia if they had the ability to enslave nomad somalis. These arabs might have been egocentric and to some extent cowards but they were not stupid not realizing that nomads are not the type of people you have at home and keep as pet, that would only backfire ultimatly.
Btw also the force labour you speak of by italians in the riverine region was unfortunatly also directed towards the somali bantu.
When labor was not forthcoming for the plantations in somalia, the new fascist colonial authorities resorted to forced labor. Their target was the ex-slave communities of the Gosha. Villagers stressed to me how the Italians definitionally seperated the ex-slave population from the Somali population for purposes of conscripting laborers. One Gosha villager imitated the Italians: " I don't accept saying 'I am Bartire', 'I'm Shabeelle,' 'I'm Cawlyahan,' 'I'm Marehan Somali,' It doesn't exist. Your all lying. You all are Mushunguli Mayasid Bantu. You have to participate. The Italians began relocating men and women from their villages to the Italian plantations by force in 1935. Elderly Gosha survivors of the kolonya system hold bitter memories of the Italian plantation experience.
Unraveling Somalia Race, Class, and the Legacy of Slavery Catherine Besteman
Anyways unlike most parts of africa somalis never really had problem with italians or british since they didn't percieved them as colonialist or opressors but rather as modern people who introduced a new modern way of doing things.
quote:You should worry more about why Somalis are discriminated against, beat down, put upon, and generally thought of as weak by (and this list is quite extensive):
Arabs Italians Ethiopians South Africans Kenyans Pakistani Englishmen Carribean Englishmen Indigenous white Englishmen white Australians white Germans white Americans African Americans Indians (India)
You just made up that list, i mean somalis don't even live in germany, and "indians", Loool
The only people from that list who have problem with are british carribeans(jamaicans) and Zulu south africans, the rest i've never heard anything about.
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^ You know if this petty ethnic squable keeps up, I predict the moderator will just have to shut this thread down (preferably delete it).
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quote: Yeah, right! Is that why southern somalia is flooded with former bantu slaves, why would arabs go the whole way to Mozambique and other south east african countries and bring them to somalia if they had the ability to enslave nomad somalis. These arabs might have been egocentric and to some extent cowards but they were not stupid not realizing that nomads are not the type of people you have at home and keep as pet, that would only backfire ultimatly.
Btw also the force labour you speak of by italians in the riverine region was unfortunatly also directed towards the somali bantu.
Pfffh...Them somalis is NOOOOMAAAAADSSSSSSS...OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH.
There's more but I won't bother because I don't have the time and the point is made no need to go any further.
You guys have such deluded fantasies : )
No wonder you guys are easily manipulated by the lies of white supremacy websites. Even while they openly hate you. : )
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quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should worry more about why Somalis are discriminated against, beat down, put upon, and generally thought of as weak by (and this list is quite extensive):
Arabs Italians Ethiopians South Africans Kenyans Pakistani Englishmen Carribean Englishmen Indigenous white Englishmen white Australians white Germans white Americans African Americans Indians (India)
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I never denied that the black Madonnas of Europe are derived from Egyptian Aset icons.
As for the Aset myth, I guess you did not hear about the part where she created a new penis for her husband and mounted it in the form of her sacred bird, the kite. Thus Heru was concieved during this union.
In fact it would seem unthinkable to resurrect a man let alone her beloved without his sexual organ.
Corpses cannot produce sperm.
Artificial penises don't produce sperm.
The fact that Isis conceived Horus from the CORPSE of her husband using an ARTIFICIAL penis is STILL a form of immaculate conception or DIVINE conception. These are deities and aspects of nature, meaning EVERYTHING about the story is supernatural and NOT human, but has DEEP symbolic value.
As such, Osiris represents the seed of life itself, the infinite creative and generative power of the life force. Isis represents the nurturing force of nature, the sun and the force in nature that provides warmth, care and sustenance for things to come forth and grow. Horus represents the promise of everlasting life through procreation and new life, the child that comes and brings light to the world and restores balance to the life force. All of this can be seen as a form of the old reference to sexuality in nature as being "the birds and the bees". Note that by showing Isis coming down as a bird, the Egyptians are again showing the connection to natural processes, as Horus is often shown as the newborn sun rising out of a flower. Fruit contains seeds and when they fall off the decaying flesh provides nutrients for the fertilization of the soil and germination of the seed. Birds eat fruit and drink nectar from flowers, along with the seeds or pollen. The seeds don't get digested but when passed they are again provided with the necessary nutrients to grow, or in the case of pollen it is passed to the female flower to germinate. The so called Denderah lightbulbs are actually representations of this process where Horus is shown as the snake rising out of the center of the flower, which is symbolic of the reproductive system of plants. In all of this Isis and Osiris are symbolic of the male and female principle that is the basis of almost all creation in nature. Again, this can be seen in the fact that Osiris is Geb and Geb, the earth is often shown with an erect penis. Osiris was also shown in this form, but often also with plants germinating from his body.
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quote: Sorry, but I only resort to name-calling if the poster irritates me beyond my composure. And it takes alot of idiocy to irritate me.
So you have now openly admitted to the moderators that you actively and freely choose to violate the forum rules as you see fit. You have openly stated this in front of everyone "Including the Moderators".
quote: Again, I don't take buffoons like White Nord seriously, whereas Clyde Winters gets on my nerves posting the same old nonsense every month!
Translation: I don't attack white posters just those posters of African groups I don't like.
Second of all who in the world made you ruler of this forum. Do you own it? If you don't like what someone has to say then don't read it.
1. You've been confronted more times than most trolls about the lack of logic, facts, and evidence of your postings.
2. You try to project that everyone else is crazy in order to deflect away analysis of how screwed up you are. And those that are reading this know what I'm posting of.
3. Your posts are nothing more than factless dribble with childish emoticons at the end of sentences.
4. You pathetically parrot your idol and I know that the other readers of this forums sees it. Quick question.
How does an adult get to the point that his big achievement in life is to wake up every morning and coattail and parrot another poster on a forum.
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Lol@ Makurians invading Zayla my god never seen so much fabricated history before, there were no battles between Adal and Aksum ever, since there not even in the same timeline
and is this all you can come up with? a internet website that doesn't even cite it's references, good job!
quote:There's more but I won't bother because I don't have the time and the point is made no need to go any further.
You guys have such deluded fantasies : )
No wonder you guys are easily manipulated by the lies of white supremacy websites. Even while they openly hate you. : )
dude keep those insecure emotions of yours on the forums that unleashed them inside of you don't bring them here where there are no petty ethnic african rivalries, neither me, Arwa or Yonis are advocating white supremacy lies on ES that is just you being paranoid and my earlier analysis of your motive behind your first reply on this topic is proven to be true.
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quote:Originally posted by Still_Not_Done: So you have now openly admitted to the moderators that you actively and freely choose to violate the forum rules as you see fit. You have openly stated this in front of everyone "Including the Moderators".
So I can't help it but notice you have some enmity towards me, or beef. For what reason? Oh, the answer is found below.
quote:Translation: I don't attack white posters just those posters of African groups I don't like.
LOL Sorry but you mistranslate.
Your mistranslation is revealing and proves my point: That you are just a pathetic paranoid loser who thinks that I (for Lord only knows what reason) is prejudice against certain African groups.
I don't know how I can get this through your skull, but I am prejudice against no group let alone any African groups. What I am admittingly prejudice against are ignorant and foolish persons regardless of their ethnic background. Which is why I "attack" people from Cobra (an ignorant Somali poster) to Leba (a crazed Ethiopian) to Hore (a misguided white racist) to Clyde (an African American peudo-scholar), to Marc Washington (an African American nutcase). And I don't know what your background is whether African or not, but feel free to join my list!
quote:Second of all who in the world made you ruler of this forum. Do you own it? If you don't like what someone has to say then don't read it.
LOL What makes you think I act like I "rule" this forum?? Is not part of being a forum mean contributing to a discussion at hand? If someone says something silly or ridiculous I have the right to respond. Why? Are your feelings hurt by this?
quote:Apparently you are deluded enough to think so. If you indeed think this then you are a very disturbed individual.
Nope. I answered above. Posting a reply or opinion does not make me "ruler" of a forum. I think the only disturbed individual in here is YOU for thinking that, as well as thinking that I am somehow prejudice against certain African groups (LOL), as well as having some personal vendetta against Somalis (I still think you had a bad experience with Somalis or something).
Your point? Did I hurt your feelings in that thread as well?
quote:Man your posts are tired and pitiful.
Not really. Not like YOUR posts where all you do is either bring up something about Somalis, or you single me out and make these hilarious accusations based on you paranoia/insecurities.
quote:1. You've been confronted more times than most trolls about the lack of logic, facts, and evidence of your postings.
I'm not a troll because unlike YOU, I actually do contribute facts, logic, and evidence, whereas all you do (like you're doing right now) is make emotional reactions towards me over some imaginary hurt I've done you.
quote:2. You try to project that everyone else is crazy in order to deflect away analysis of how screwed up you are. And those that are reading this know what I'm posting of.
LOL Projection is all I see in that post above. So you think I am screwed up and when I call people like Marc crazy it's a lie. And so I take it you think Marc or what he says is sane. Oh my!
quote:3. Your posts are nothing more than factless dribble with childish emoticons at the end of sentences.
Well apparently you haven't read much of my posts, since the majority of what I've written on this forum are about facts, scientifically, historically, and culturally. And well YOU don't have to post emoticons for me to know how emotional YOU are being at the moment.
quote:4. You pathetically parrot your idol and I know that the other readers of this forums sees it. Quick question.
So I have an idol? Who?
quote:How does an adult get to the point that his big achievement in life is to wake up every morning and coattail and parrot another poster on a forum.
I don't know, since this forum is not even a big part of my life but something I do as part of my free time. Which is why I don't get paranoid about certain posters in here and whether they "attack" certain groups or worry myself about certain African groups like Somalis. So maybe YOU can answer that question! LMFOPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: [QB] I'd presented the web page below with African king Laszlo of 15th century Hungary when finding a Hungarian book with a picture a few days ago of Nagy Istvan: a name which translates into Charles the Great - Charlemagne. He reigned during a time the Germanic migrations to Europe were just beginning and when Europe was still primarily populated by a Capsammochal population. King Otto III in 1010 AD opened the tomb of Charlemagne in Aachen Cathedral where he was buried and found his well-preserved body whose face served as a model for the statue made of him remarkably African in appearance. The Early Medieval Period had a Christian population that began African with Tertulian and the early church fathers and was still mostly African then. It would be centuries before it took on today's look. The handsome golden face below the crown is that of Charlemagne. The web page linked to it provides more information Charlemagne.
He, no offences Marc Washington but I think you are a nut case. I do not know what the **** you are talking about, a least we have something in common... Charlemagne ancestry is actually clear, reading can actually help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne And that crown you posted is actually a Hungarian crown from the 13th century lol.
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^ LOL Yes, I've learned to stop taking the guy seriously, and only view his stuff for some hilarious entertainment! It is obvious that his posts are all one big practical joke, or he is seriously psychotic. Unfortunately his posts have been going on too long that it seems to be the latter.
To Stone: Marc claims that Germanic peoples were white savages with no relgion, yet claims Charlemagne was a great black savior who brought Christianity to Europe. Unfortunately everyone in reality knows Charlemagne was a member of the Franks-- a Germanic tribe! LOLPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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There are some interesting double-standards, here. I mean in terms of association.
Telling as well.
Afrocentrists like Marc have a slave mentallity?
Then what the hell type of severe mental ddisposition do Eurocentrists (like the many here, who can remain nameless) have?
Where are the connections of inferiority and slavery complexes made there?
What I see is the black version of our infamous attention hore., only, instead of diverting attention, he's attempting to build a faux propaganda contruct to match Eurocentrism, a foolish tactic, it's quite comical really.
He doesn't realize it, all he thinks he's doin is ignoring any Eurocentric standpoints, but the end result turns out to be justasphony as Medicentrism, and perhaps even Eurocentrism.
It's almost as if these fools do it on purpose; what the heck is Capsa? They reuse Eurocentric terms to Afrocentric disadvantage - something we don't need with all the anti-black bias around these days.
It's funny how some cannot see how erroneous their approach is until an Afrocentrist does it.
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Actually I see Marc in a positive light as he gives people a thought-provoking impulse. And I have 5 days off so I need some entertainment.
quote:To Stone: Marc claims that Germanic peoples were white savages with no relgion, yet claims Charlemagne was a great black savior who brought Christianity to Europe. Unfortunately everyone in reality knows Charlemagne was a member of the Franks-- a Germanic tribe! LOL
The amusing aspect of this is that Charlemagne is seen by many modern day people as a Christian barbarian because he used Christianity to suppress his Germanic brothers. Most notable are the Saxon Wars, a 30 year lasting war against Saxons trying to push them into his Christian Kingdom. In the Massacre of Verden Charlemagne beheaded 4,500 Saxon leaders for practising their indigenous religion. Which proves that the African Charlemagne committed mass murder on whites. ... Saxon Wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Wars Massacre of Verden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_VerdenPosts: 21 | Registered: Sep 2007
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IMHO Marc just doesn't care unless it's far-fetched, or somehow in his far out afrocentric sphere of play...
really, he could just lump all his threads together in one far out fantasticalincredible thread.
Me, I tend to not want to be associated with that kind of stuff.
To me, it's all about objectivity - which is why I point out that what's left of Eurocentrism is as much far-fetched nonsense as this.
Maybe any threads about white phaorohs, zulus, white space aliens contactingthe Dogon, black Charlemagn, etc. should all go in a special thread, sort of like the tabloids. lol Posts: 5555 | From: Tha 5th Dimension. | Registered: Apr 2006
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^ Well since people want to take a try at psychol-analysis when it comes to Clyde...
When Yonis said slave mentality, he then defined what he meant-- some slaves are desperate to emulate their masters. In Marc's case, he has been affected by white racism to the point that he fails to realize he subconciously holds whites and Europeans to a scale of granduer which is why instead of focusing on real African history and culture, most of his posts focus on trying to claim European history and culture for blacks.
As for the white racists and Eurocentrics who post here, it is not a matter of slave mentality because they definitely do not hold black Africans to a grand scale and so have no wish to emulate them or claim their culture. On the contrary it is I think they suffer from megalomania to the point where they attribute every great culture and civilization as their own. When they claim Egypt as white, in their minds they are not claiming an African civilization but think as a matter of fact that Egypt is not African because Africans are not able to produce such a thing and that it were "caucasoids" who produced such a culture.
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