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Ive heard people say that Horus was resurrected. I thought Egyptians didnt believe in resurrection?
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Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph, the "Holy Ghost," impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended by three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis--the original "Madonna and Child."
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^ Obviously silly religious theories that try to connect to Christian beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by eklypised: Ive heard people say that Horus was resurrected. I thought Egyptians didnt believe in resurrection?
No Heru (Horus) was never resurrected because he never died in the first place. You must be confused with Ausar (Osiris) who was the one who died (murdered by his brother Set) and was resurrected by his wife Aset. But yes, the Egyptians believed very much in resurrection. It was what the whole cult of Ausar was about. Those who lived their lives according to Ma'at (truthful and righteous) can expect to be resurrected or reborn in the afterlife.
quote: And was Horus called KRST
I don't know what krst is supposed to mean in Mdu-neter (Egyptian language), but I seriously doubt it had anything to do with the word 'christ' which is derived from the Greek word 'christos' meaining 'annointed'.
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Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph, the "Holy Ghost," impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended by three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis--the original "Madonna and Child."
Uh, wrong on everything except the last part. When Ausar died, his wife used her magic to bring him life at least long enoug for her to have sex with while she took the form of a kite (a kind of bird). Ausar was resurrected but had to go to the Netherworld. Aset was left pregnant and Tehuti (Thoth) aided her protection to give birth to and raise her son Heru to fight his uncle Set who was his father's murderer. There are no "wise men" etc. Try not to inject Christian beliefs onto ancient Egyptian ones. The two are different religions with the latter being the older one.
But yes, the depictions of Aset and her son are the original prototype for later depictions of the Madonna and child.
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What about Horus having 12 disciples, being born of a virgin, and all the other parallels to Jesus. Any ancient Egyptian doucments or anything that says any of these things?
quote:Originally posted by eklypised: What about Horus having 12 disciples, being born of a virgin, and all the other parallels to Jesus. Any ancient Egyptian doucments or anything that says any of these things?
Horus did not have any disciples, and he was not born of a virgin since Ausar (Osiris) was his father and was the one who died and resurrected!
quote:Here is a pic somebody put up supposeldy its Horus' 12 disciples and 3 dieties
LOL Those are the 12 gods of the Egyptian calendar that represent the 12 months of the year. I cannot see the 3 deities clearly but they are probably the gods who represent the 3 seasons.
Mind you the number 12 is considered a sacred number among various peoples in the ancient world, mainly to symbolize gods who preside over months of the year as shown here. The Greeks and Romans inherited from their predecessors the collective worship of 12 gods. The 12 disciples of Christ were representative of the 12 tribes of Israel which may very well come from the same ancient sacred belief in 12.
quote: The Trinity Gods
There various cities and places in Egypt where gods were worshipped in groups of 3 which represent mother, father, and child NOT the father, son, and Holy Spirit of Christianity! LOL
quote:This is suppose to be Horus with inscription that says Good Shephard.
Even if it does, what does this have to do with Jesus? Many gods and rulers were given the title of shepard in ancient times as a metaphor for leaders and that the people they lead are their flocks.
quote:Are any of these things true?
Some yes and some no. Are you by any chance related to 'Africanbible_Expert'? LOLPosts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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This is way old "comparitive religions" stuff straight out of Kersey Graves' Crucified Saviors before Christ. Of course there were borrowings and cross-fertilization between regions' religions but not anachronistically backward through time. For instance this 'disciple' notion is clearly a swipe out of time with no relevancy to AE spirituality. Not even the Shemsu Hor, though followers, were disciples in the Hellenic Christianity sense of the word.
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^ Do you have a psychiatric disorder or something?! Your questions were already answered!
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Not even the Shemsu Hor, though followers, were disciples in the Hellenic Christianity sense of the word.
Were the Shemsu Hor some type of early Christians?
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None of it was copied ver batim, but it is clear to see there was some "borrowing" and adjustments done with regards to Christianity, through the bastardization of Hebrew language. There are baptizm scenes on tomb walls.
You have to also know that the words for "Christ" and "virgin" had a different meaning in Hebrew/Aramaic languages.
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Yes, in some ways we could argue that Osiris mirrors Heyseuce more than Horus does.
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A lot of Genesis, especially 6-9, appears to be straight out of the Pyramid Texts. There's a great deal of the Pagan religions all through the Bible though Egypt seem to get more mentions than most.
The writers of the Bible appear to have avoided direct mention of earlier works and were particularly unlikely to say anything good about Egypt.
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Is that so? Then why have we this in the 'Bible?'
quote: And the LORD will smite Egypt, smiting and healing; and they shall return unto the LORD, and He will be entreated of them, and will heal them.
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In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth;
for that the LORD of hosts hath blessed him, saying: 'Blessed be Egypt My people and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance.'
Isaiah 19:22, 24-25
Isn't it something that a writer from a people who viewed Egypt as perhaps their greatest enemy would record in their sacred scriptures that Egypt at one time knew Israel's deity and would return to that deity who recognizes Egypt as the deity's people.
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I know they wrote that they were enslaved in Egypt, so the incentive for rivalry isn't pulled out of a hat.
But I smell something fishy with "ancient egypt = devil to ancient isreal" logic. It kindof seems like more insinuation that ancient Egyptians = creepy voodoo artists or something.
It's just funny they rarely see Rome or Greece as as evil.
But I believe this is because this is Rome and Greece we're living in.
Btw, I swear I came across something saying God "loves/d Egyptians and Ethiopians" before or something like that.
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I dunno. I'd check out 1). the Hasmoneans and 2). the Jewish Wars but, in any event, by the time there was a Greece or a Rome worth noting, the Hebrews had already written all their sacred scriptures.
Previous to then, they had very little to no interaction with those two peoples so far to their west.
So little was known of Greece that only in Daniel is there any mention of it, while Rome is totally off the radar.
The Hebrew's world was one of the 'sons of Shem' and the 'sons of Hham.' While they knew Yapheth had a son 'Yawan' their world was of small consequence at the time.
But when reading the Hebrew's prophetic books (or oracular work) everybody is 'evil' and that includes the Hebrews too.
quote:Originally posted by Alive: It's just funny they rarely see Rome or Greece as as evil.
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Thnx alot 4 the your info there but by "they" I wasn't refering to your kind (the ancient authors), I was refering to confused biased (Eurocentrist) Westerners.
I'm not a person who sees things as Hebrews vs. blacks.
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