Onicha got its name from the ancient Egyptian city of “ON”, unfortunately renamed as “Heliopolis” by the Greeks and now being called “El Minah” by the modern Egyptian government, which has changed the name of this city five times. The City of “On” was the citadel of spiritual excellence and was one of the most sacred cities of ancient Egypt.
The priests of On were very mystical and were the repository of the ancient mysteries of Egypt. The priests of On guided their mysteries jealously and were the only priests that crowned the Pharoahs. No king of Egypt could be recognized without being consecrated by the priests of On. They were called the “Priests of the most high”. The Pharoh and his family traditionally resided in the city of On. “Onicha” means those that were sacked or cut off from the city of On. The word “cha” in ancient Egypt means to cut, descend or fall from. The Onitsha Igbo dialect term “chapu” like in “chapu ya isi” (cut off his head) still has the same root like the ancient Kemetic Egyptian language: “cha” : to cut off or make to fall.
Onicha people were actually those that were cut off or fled from the sacred city of On. Literarily speaking, Onicha means “people of On that fled” from On. Some people had wrongly described the word Onicha as those who “despise others”, but that could not be correct because they were the ones who were charged with the responsibility of consecrating and annointing kings and priests. As a matter of fact, the names, “Tutankam-on” and “Solom-on” are rooted in the city of On. Solomon means he who was initiated into the mysteries of On.
In Onicha today, we see the term “On” reflecting in many of our names and traditional titles. The term “On” is found in some of the following Onitsha traditional chieftaincy titles: “On-owu”, “On-i-ra”, meaning “On” dedicated to the ancient Egyptian God called “Ra”, “Onika” meaning the Ka of On; the word “ka” in Kemetic language means “the soul”, therefore, “Onika”means the soul of On. We also see the word “On” in “Onya”, “Onoli” and “Onwolu” all chieftaincy titles in Onicha.
In their roles as priests, ON-icha people after being cut off from Egypt, continued to play their roles as priests and in that capacity sojourned with different closely related communities that were scattered in Africa, especially in West Africa, where their services as priests were still needed.
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I don't know why Nigerians and West Africans in general keep interjected themselves into rich noble East African history. Egypt has nothing to do with Nigeria and the people of Nigeria has nothing to do with the good looking civilized noble ancient egyptian history. If any people of Egypt fled to Nigeria they would have took their thoughts, history, ideas, and way of life with them. Everyone knows that Egypt was far advanced than West Africa and Nigerians were primitive uncivilized people.
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Bettyboo wrote: Everyone knows that Egypt was far advanced than West Africa and Nigerians were primitive uncivilized people.
^That one hellava...Claim I don't know if any Kemites ever settled in Nigeria... but we do have state building going back to atleat 900yrs b.c the Nok and other so I don't know where you get your wide sweeping claims from.
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Ogiso ("Rulers of the Sky") , who may have numbered as many as thirty-one kings, ruling the kingdom of Benin between 900 - 1170 AD, which is the earliest period so far accounted for in Benin history (Plankensteine 2007).
The first ruler, according to Benin traditions, was Igodo, a prominent elder in his community (Odionwere) who exercised authority over all other elders (Edionwere). Igodo is said to have ruled all the various small communities which collectively formed the kingdom known as 'Igodomigodo', meaning 'land of Igodo' or 'town of towns'. The most prominent among the known Ogiso rulers are Igodo, Ere, Orire, Oriagba and Owodo. The kingdom began as a union of juxtaposed clusters of independent communities, each surrounded by a moat (Egharevba 1968).
Fortification of Benin City
The defensive fortification of Benin City, the capital, consisted of ramparts and moats, call iya, enclosing a 4000 square kilometer (2485.5 miles) of community lands. In total, the Benin wall system encompasses over 10,000 kilometres (6213.7 miles) of earth boundaries. Patrick Darling, an archaeologist, estimates that the complex was built between 800 and 1000 up to the late fifteenth century (Keys 1994: 16). Advantageously situated, the moats were duged in such a manner that earthen banks provided outer walls that complemented deep ditches. According to Graham Connah, the ditch formed an integral part of the intended barrier but was also a quarry for the material to construct the wall or bank (Keys 1994: 594). The ramparts range in size from shallow traces to the immense 20-meter-high rampart (66 feet) around Benin City (Wesler 1998: 144). The Guinness Book of World Records describes the walls of Benin City as the world's second largest man-made structure after China's Great Wall), in terms of length, and the series of earthen ramparts as the most extensive earthwork in the world.
During the second half of the 15th century, Oba Ewuare the Great ordered a moat to be dug in the heart of the city. The earthworks served as a bastion and also afforded control of access to the capital which had nine gates that were shut at night. Travel notes of European visitors also described the Benin walls (e.g. Pacheco Pereira 1956: 130-147; Dapper 1668). It was finalized around 1460, at that time being the world's largest earthwork. Benin City
Seventeenth-century engraving illustrating a court ceremony. In the foreground is the king of Benin on horseback, surrounded by musicians, dwarfs, and attendants with tame leopards, and leading a procession of chiefs and warriors, also on horseback. The middle ground shows the royal palace, which has high turrents surmounted by large cast-brass birds with outstretched wings. In the background, separated by a wall, is the town of Benin. Presided over by the oba, or king, the city was both a major trading center and the religious and political capital of the Edo people.
From Olfert Dapper, Beschreibung von Afrika (1967: pl. opp. 486), first published in Amsterdam in 1670.
see also:
Olfert Dapper, Description de l'Afrique: contenant les noms, la situation & les confins de toutes ses parties (Amsterdam: Wolfgang, Waesberge, Boom & van Someren, 1686) -- Source
View of Benin city in 1891 before the British conquest. H. Ling Roth, Great Benin, Barnes and Noble reprint. 1968.
Image from the book African Cities and Towns Before the European Conquest, by Richard W. Hull, published in 1976
Two Historical Engraving References:
Amsterdams Museum National Archive
Cavazzi. Istorica Descrizione de tre' regni Congo, Matamba ed Angola (Bologna, 1687); Book 6
da Monteleone, Francesco. APF: SRC, Congo 2, fol. 585, Francesco da Monteleone to Propaganda Fide, 24 May 1692.
Dapper, Olfert. "De Stadt Benin." In Beschreibung von Afrika. (Amsterdam, 1670)
Dapper, Olfert. Naukeurige Beschrijvinge der Afrikaensche gewesten. Amsterdam: Jacob von Meurs, 1668
Darling, Patrick J. Archaeology and History in Southern Nigeria: The Ancient Linear Earthworks of Benin and Ishan. Cambridge Monographs in African Archaeology II,
B.A.R. International Series 215. Oxford: B.A.R. 1984.
Egharevba, Jacob U. A Short History of Benin. 4th ed. Ibadan: University Press, 1968
Hakluyt, Richard. The Principal Navigations of the English Nation (London, 1589); On the Portuguese period, Ryder, Benin and the Europeans, 53-65.
Keys, David. Digging in the Dirt. The Independent (UK), 25th January. Cited in ACASA Newsletter 39 (April 1994)
Nevadomsky, Joseph. Palace of Benin. In Paul Oliver (ed.), Cultures and Habitats. (Encyclopedia of Vernacular Architecture of the World 3; Cambridge:
University Press), 2047-2038
Pacheco Pereira, Duarte. Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis (1506-1508), Raymond Mauny, ed. Publicacoes do Centro de Estudos da Guine Portuguesa 19. Bissau
Plankensteiner, Barbara. Benin: Kings and Rituals; Court Arts from Nigeria, Snoeck Publishers, 2007 (highly recommended)
Ratelband, K. The great quantities of Benin cloth can be seen in K. Ratelband (ed.), vijf dagregisters uit het kasteel Sao Jorge da Mina (Elmina) aan de Goudkust
(1645-47) (The Hague, 1953), 37, 158; on the general pattern of trade, Dapper, Naukeurige Beschrijvinge, 124, 126.
Van Wassenaer, Historisch verhael, 19te Deel, fol. 23v, May 1630.
Wesler, Kit W. Historical Archaeology in Nigeria, Africa World Press, 1998
Credited 2008 by Myra Wysinger
USA Ancient Benin City Ramparts and Moats
The Benin Moat
Benin City, Edo State, Nigeria
The defensive fortification of Benin City, the capital, consisted of ramparts and moats, call iya, enclosing a 4000 square kilometer (2485.5 miles) of community lands. In total, the Benin wall system encompasses over 10,000 kilometres (6213.7 miles) of earth boundaries. They range in size from shallow traces to the immense 20-meter-high rampart (66 feet) around Benin City (Wesler 1998: 144). Patrick Darling, an archaeologist, estimates that the complex was built between 800 and 1000 up to the late fifteenth century (Keys 1994: 16).
The Benin City Walls were ravaged by the British in 1897. Since then, portions of the walls have gradually vanished in the wake of modernization. However, significant stretches of the walls remain, enclosing innumerable red earth shrines and vernacular elite architecture with red-fluted walls.
The earthworks attest the development of urbanization and rise of state societies in subsaharan Africa, a process that began in the seventh century A.D. and culminated in the founding of the Benin Kingdom of Bronze and Ivory in the fourteenth century.
City and Palace
The kingdom of Benin comprised the capital city, that is, metropolitan Benin, and the outlying districts. Just like the metropolis, the Oba of Benin directed the control of these districts from the central government at the capital.
Before its destruction, Benin City possessed an extensive network of streets up to 131 feet wide. A complex city wall system with nine gates, numbering among the most impressive earth structure in the world, protected the city from intruders. The palace compound itself occupied a large part, and is meant to have encompassed a surface area of 1148 x 2133 feet (Nevadomsky 1997).
Apart from these palace grounds encompassed the private living quarters of the king, various reception courts, the quarters of the three palace societies, and the royal harem. At least in the 17th century the wooden pillars supporting the roof of the galleries were decorated with mounted bronze reliefs plaques. In the 19th century the pillars were made of clay, and bore reliefs worked directly into the material. Doors and beams in the royal precinct were in some cases covered with hand-embossed sheet brass, or decorated with inlaid mirrors.
Numerous European visitors reported on the long waiting times before they were admitted to see the king. Access to the monarch was not only impeded by architectural hurdles, but also by the various ranks of dignitaries, who often actually posed an insurmountable obstacle (Plankensteiner 2007: 277).
Dapper, Olfert. Naukeurige Beschrijvinge der Afrikaensche gewesten. Amsterdam: Jacob von Meurs, 1668:
"The King's court is certainly as large as the town of Haarlem, and is entirely surrounded by a special wall. . . . It is divided into many magnificent palaces, houses, and apartments of the courtiers. Fine galleries, about as large as those on the Exchange at Amsterdam, are supported by wooden pillars, from top to bottom covered with cast copper on which are engraved the pictures of their war exploits and battles, and they are kept very clean."
Photo from: "De Stadt Benin." In Olfert Dapper's Beschreibung von Afrika. (Amsterdam, 1670)
Early Trade in Benin City
In 1553, English merchants lead by Thomas Wyndham were received in person by the Oba (king), who in turn traded with them in person, a practice common in the sixteenth century and confirmed by Portuguese reports as well (Hakluyt 1589: 53-65). According to a general description of trade written in 1623, Dutch pepper merchants participated in an extensive credit system, including use of written notes, with the two royal officials in charge of trade. Volume was considerable. Just one of the several Dutch ships involved in the Benin trade, the Olyphant, delivered 88,235 pounds of ivory and 1,337 pounds of Benin pepper to Texel, an island in the Netherlands, in 1630 (Van Wassenaer 1630).
The production of cloth was widespread and in local hands. Cotton growing and weaving were extensive throughout the Benin kingdom, as noted by visitors beginning with Welsh in 1588, followed by Ulsheimer in 1601, who noted its sale to Europeans through Lagos, then in Benin's hands, and Ruiters in 1602 (Hakluyt 1589). Samuel Brun, visiting Benin about 1614 noted that Benin made 'very beautiful cloths, which are exported far and wide and sold. Weaving was essentially a home industry, done by women in their spare time, if more recent documentation is any guide. Their cloth was not only for personal use, as the written accounts attest, but for long-distance trade with other African people, thousands of such cloths being shipped annually by the middle of the seventeenth century, either by the inland waterway past Lagos or on European shipping to the Gold Coast (Ratelband 1645). They even turned up, through European shipping connections, among the burial goods of Queen Njinga of Matamba central Africa in 1663 (Cavazzi 1687: 110-12).
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Bettyboo wrote: Everyone knows that Egypt was far advanced than West Africa and Nigerians were primitive uncivilized people.
^That one hellava...Claim I don't know if any Kemites ever settled in Nigeria... but we do have state building going back to atleat 900yrs b.c the Nok and other so I don't know where you get your wide sweeping claims from.
There is no evidence of any city in Nigeria. I keep hearing these 'stories' about Nigeria having cities paved with gold and all this advancement but there is no evidence for it. I find it fishy that only in Africa there were advanced civilizations that no longer hold any evidence of it today. All noble civilizations still have the remains and evidence of their once great cities and civilization except Africa. The Nok civilization, if it's true, wasn't no where near as noble as ancient Egypt. I wish Nigerians stop interjecting themselves in every black history as if they feel the need to be special or looked upon as great. They were primitive, savage people who walked around naked, lived in huts and sacrifice people, and worshipped the devil and they do it to this day.
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Sorry the link dosn't seems to work but just type in Africas Black kingdoms into your search engine and you will get it. from there procced to Benin civilization.
And Kemet..... of course hardly any civilization inside or out side of Africa that can compare with the share number of monuments.
Some Kemites worshipped Set...later turned into Setan... some Kemites walked around butt neked also... It gets hot in all parts of Africa sometimes. Early Kemites sacrificed humans too.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Betty Boo go here:
wysinger.homestead.com/ancientafrica.html
Sorry the link dosn't seems to work but just type in Africas Black kingdoms into your search engine and you will get it. from there procced to Benin civilization.
And Kemet..... of course hardly any civilization inside or out side of Africa that can compare with the share number of monuments.
Some Kemites worshipped Set...later turned into Setan... some Kemites walked around butt neked also... It gets hot in all parts of Africa sometimes. Early Kemites sacrificed humans too.
I already told you that I hear about, I read about it, but there is no evidence of great advance civilizations in Nigeria whether it be the Nok or Benin or whatever you want to call it. It would be convincing if these streets are still there or these palaces and monuments are still there. The truth is most of Africa were filled with primitive people and their way of life reflects that. I still can't hamper why the evidence is not in Africa but evidence still remain in other parts of the world. Everyone still has evidence of their once advance, noble civilization except Africa. The evidence of the Egyptians and Ethiopians remain because it is true. I have my doubts about Nigeria. Everything black doesn't concern Nigerians or West Africans I wish they would learn that.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Betty, the Palaces are still there all you have to do is a goole search: agongointo.worldarchaeology.net/eng/index.html
No they aren't there. Why are these ancient paved streets and palaces hidden. If it was there we would know about it like we know about other civilizations of Africa. The wall of Great Zimbabwe is still standing because it is true. People wouldn't hide any advance, noble civilization of Africa. They would claim it as their own or say it belongs to foreigners but they certainly wouldn't hide it.
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Betty Boo,Go down to library Video or If you can goole up Luis gates Africans...you can see the that the old palace is still there along with it's art-works...the same for the Ashanti queen mother's palace. and the very large compound at Whydah.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Betty Boo,Go down to library Video or If you can goole up Luis gates Africans...you can see the that the old palace is still there along with it's art-works...the same for the Ashanti queen mother's palace. and the very large compound at Whydah.
I think you should post it because I can't find anything you suggested.
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Focus on the topic in issue otherwise just leave the thread alone.
Lion!
I think you need to leave the thread. Where in any of my posts I drift away from the topic. I suggest he posts what he is talking about because I'm not finding anything on the Net especially from the source he gave me. At least he can do is post pictures of these palaces.
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: ...Where in any of my posts I drift away from the topic. I suggest he posts what he is talking about because I'm not finding anything on the Net especially from the source he gave me. At least he can do is post pictures of these palaces.
...for what it's worth...
PALACES OF TRADITIONAL RULERS OF NIGERIA - Click Link
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: ...Where in any of my posts I drift away from the topic. I suggest he posts what he is talking about because I'm not finding anything on the Net especially from the source he gave me. At least he can do is post pictures of these palaces.
...for what it's worth...
PALACES OF TRADITIONAL RULERS OF NIGERIA - Click Link
...maybe now, we might leave 'the children's hour' and return to the significant topic of this posting and the information it provides...
I want the evidence of the palaces of this Nok ancient city. If it was on the net I would do the search my self but since it is not on the net I ask for him to post it. I'm not interested in reading about it because that's all I do. You hear about it and there is no evidence of it. At least there should be ruins somewhere.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: THE CITY OF ON
Onicha got its name from the ancient Egyptian city of “ON”, unfortunately renamed as “Heliopolis” by the Greeks and now being called “El Minah” by the modern Egyptian government, which has changed the name of this city five times. The City of “On” was the citadel of spiritual excellence and was one of the most sacred cities of ancient Egypt...
...founded by the Anu:
On - Heliopolis
...On Meh - On of the North; Heliopolis
On - Denderah
...On Shemo - On of the South; Hermonthis; Ermont, Erment
Would u know where that bronze piece came from? In all my life I have never seen that type of Benin artwork though I went to school in Benin and frequently visited the muesum there. As you might know the British invaded Benin in 1898 and looted its Royal Palace. I read British commentary about how the art work they stole convinced them that Benin was connected to Egypt or Greece. Yet of all the works I have seen so far, this one and others like it would surely make one pause for thought respecting the artistry that produced it.
Thanks for the picture.
More to come. Lion!
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Betty Boo go here:
wysinger.homestead.com/ancientafrica.html
Sorry the link dosn't seems to work but just type in Africas Black kingdoms into your search engine and you will get it. from there procced to Benin civilization.
And Kemet..... of course hardly any civilization inside or out side of Africa that can compare with the share number of monuments.
Some Kemites worshipped Set...later turned into Setan... some Kemites walked around butt neked also... It gets hot in all parts of Africa sometimes. Early Kemites sacrificed humans too.
I already told you that I hear about, I read about it, but there is no evidence of great advance civilizations in Nigeria whether it be the Nok or Benin or whatever you want to call it. It would be convincing if these streets are still there or these palaces and monuments are still there. The truth is most of Africa were filled with primitive people and their way of life reflects that. I still can't hamper why the evidence is not in Africa but evidence still remain in other parts of the world. Everyone still has evidence of their once advance, noble civilization except Africa. The evidence of the Egyptians and Ethiopians remain because it is true. I have my doubts about Nigeria. Everything black doesn't concern Nigerians or West Africans I wish they would learn that.
Central Africa... voyage by Henery Morton Stanly..documented by your precious Europeans... More West Africa... Elevation and Plan of Timbuctou.. city of Kano... Timbuctou.. Posts: 8804 | From: The fear of his majesty had entered their hearts, they were powerless | Registered: Nov 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I don't know why Nigerians and West Africans in general keep interjected themselves into rich noble East African history. Egypt has nothing to do with Nigeria and the people of Nigeria has nothing to do with the good looking civilized noble ancient egyptian history. If any people of Egypt fled to Nigeria they would have took their thoughts, history, ideas, and way of life with them. Everyone knows that Egypt was far advanced than West Africa and Nigerians were primitive uncivilized people.
Bitch, shut the **** up already. Nigerians were never primitive or uncivilized. You're always sitting your stupid ass up here talking about which civilizations in Africa are noble or not.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Bettyboo wrote: Everyone knows that Egypt was far advanced than West Africa and Nigerians were primitive uncivilized people.
^That one hellava...Claim I don't know if any Kemites ever settled in Nigeria... but we do have state building going back to atleat 900yrs b.c the Nok and other so I don't know where you get your wide sweeping claims from.
There is no evidence of any city in Nigeria. I keep hearing these 'stories' about Nigeria having cities paved with gold and all this advancement but there is no evidence for it. I find it fishy that only in Africa there were advanced civilizations that no longer hold any evidence of it today. All noble civilizations still have the remains and evidence of their once great cities and civilization except Africa. The Nok civilization, if it's true, wasn't no where near as noble as ancient Egypt. I wish Nigerians stop interjecting themselves in every black history as if they feel the need to be special or looked upon as great. They were primitive, savage people who walked around naked, lived in huts and sacrifice people, and worshipped the devil and they do it to this day.
The people of Nigeria never walked around naked as there is plenty of cotton native to Nigeria, including silk which comes from a moth. Where do you get the ideat that they worshipped the devil? There isn't a single Nigerian alive that has ever done that, you lying bitch.
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I tried ignoring this silly thread for a while, but I'll bite.
Nevermind Bettyboo's usual ignorant and idiotic claims about Africa (or anything). Of course Nigerians have had cities since at least the 1st millennium B.C. per the Nok culture.
As for this Onicha, I seriously doubt the name had anything to do with the Egyptian city of On. I'm sorry Lion, but I grow weary of these claims to connect Nigerian history and culture with Egypt. Isn't it enough that they share a common African origin. Why this insistence that Nigerian ingenuity is not native but needs Egyptian founding??
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Everything in Africa that's advanced that have nothing to do with whites or Arabs always came from Egypt and even Nubians. People have even claimed Asante were descendants of ancient Egyptians, which is bull. The cultures are nothing alike.
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Nigeria is the biggest African country population wise. It comprises of very many groupings of cultures which are all highly developed and complex in conception.
The Nigeria peoples are a very proud and sometimes loud people. You can rest assured that they are no-ones fools. Per capita, Nigeria had one of the highest numbers of PH.Ds in the world.
The Nigerians know who they are and where they come from more than any so-called foreign scholar could define.
They have done their research, gone to Universities, dug up archeological sites and have incontrovertible evidence of their connection to Middle East and Northern Africa.
Some of these reasons:
Nigeria is by natural geography a saharan country rather than a sub-saharan country. It goes from central sahara to the shores of the Atlantic. Many of its peoples are indigenous north Africans who developed in-situ, but have connections with other branches who have extended to the north africa and the middle east.
Hausa language for example is of the Afro-Asiatic branch, belonging to the chadic family. Hausa is spoken from Senegal to Eritria. Do you think that the Hausas were then simply confinded to the 4 corners of Nigeria in all of history's timelines?
The Yorubas have linkages with the Canaanite traditions. By a comparative analysis of their material culture, their religous pantheon, and language structures with those of the ancient Canaanites one is cleared of doubts about the great network the Yorubas have created in Africa and Middle East from pre-historic times.
The Ibos, they claim to be the original descendants of God and the true Israelites. The Igbos circumcise their children on the eight day after birth, they keep a somewhat elaborate version of the ten commandments and the laws of leviticus and deturonomy, they have a sabbath day, they have names that are still found in today's version of the bible (Ezechiel; Ada; Adama, Berechia; King Asa), the Igbos have a writing system very similar to the old Canaanite writing system, the Igbos have a memory of their migration from the North East to the West of the continent.
I think you should give sophisticated people credit for their conception of them selves.
Yes, the Nigerians and the old Canaanites, Egyptians, and Yemenites are related. I will demonstrate this further as we converse.
Lion!
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All Nigerian ethnic groups circumcise thier boys, no?
For sure, circumcision is something all Yorubas do.
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Most of them do circumcise. A few do not. Hausas circumcise at 12 years old in line with the dominant Islamic faith; I do not know the period for the Yorubas but I believe many groups there also circumcise. The Ibos I know as a fact circumcise on the eight day of life. This is an ancient tradition amongst them which they claim is evidence of their proto-hebraic roots.
Nigerians are very intelligent and sophisticated cosmopolitans. They are knowledgeable about their roots. They are also very well travelled.
We are not Nigerians (a creation of Britain). We are Muurs, Shuwa Arabs, Kemitians, and Egyptians. Most of us can still recall and retrace our migratory routes to present day Nigeria.
We have material evidence, books, and cultural norms to prove this. The Nigerian enigma is presently being explained in a way the world can understand.
Lion!
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Iron Lion..I while I do not know of any ancient Africans that called themselves..Nigerians, there used to be a group of Africans called the Nigerate...who raided coastal North-African cities from the Interior on four wheeled chariots..called so by the Greeks and Romans?...anyways they are plenty of personal names of Niger during Greeco/Roman times... all in some ways connection to the river Niger, and the color black.
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That was until the Spanish decided to start calling us Necros, or Negros, after 1492. Before that date, we all were known as the Noble Muurs then they distorted it to black-a-moors and finally to just your plain old black.
Here is the etymology of the name Nigeria explained:
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Iron Lion,nice presentation over @ Rasta-Livewire man. on the video who is laying down the music..real nice man real nice.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: Everything in Africa that's advanced that have nothing to do with whites or Arabs always came from Egypt and even Nubians. People have even claimed Asante were descendants of ancient Egyptians, which is bull. The cultures are nothing alike.
This is pretty much the crux of the matter. Why can't people admit that the Egyptians weren't the only Africans capable of producing civilization??!
Below is a list of all the prominent civilizations in Africa, and there is NO evidence to suggest Nile Valley people are responsible for all of them outside the Nile Valley!
What's funny is that no similar claim is made about the early civilizations of Europe-- that Greeks somehow founded Etruscan culture in Italy of Iberian culture in Spain or any other advanced cultures there. Even if there is a common source for all these cultures we are talking about Europe which is not even a continent but a mere appendage of the Asian continent. Africa on the other hand is continent in it of itself and one of a vast array of cultures. To attribute the cultural advancements of one people to another on the other side of the continent is not only foolish but a disrespect to the people themselves!
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: Bitch, shut the **** up already. Nigerians were never primitive or uncivilized. You're always sitting your stupid ass up here talking about which civilizations in Africa are noble or not.
Ebony, never mind 'Betty'. Don't even waste your frustrations on her! The girl is nothing but a fool who makes false assumptions and idiotic claims about African cultures she knows nothing about. Just look at her erroneous argument here about there being no connection between Dinka and 'Nubians' even though Dinka once lived in 'Nubian' territory and speak Nilo-Saharan language practice very similar culture!
This girl is so screwed up in the head, she even denies that dinosaurs once existed! LOL
Seriously, she is a mentally disturbed twit.
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Let's take our hyper-defensive glasses off for a second. Every thing great in Africa doesn't have to be do to Km.t Nw.t but this doesn't mean nothing does. And just because there is a connection doesn't undermine the one that already existed nor does it mean curtains [pronounced: "coitenz"] for all the indigenous stuff that does not resemble anything Keme-nu.
C'mon let's be mature about it and step off the emotional level of childish posters like Celt and Boo, they're not th e brightest bulbs in the bunch anyway if you catch my drift.
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U know wat it is:
As unbiased scholars we should be open to anything. If Islam was in equatorial WEst Africa by medieval times and there had been trade routes since the beginning of Km.t nw.t i'm sure that there was a little something exchanged.
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The wing of a bat and the wing of a bird makes neither of them of close relation or immediate ancestry. Analysis and examination informs us otherwise.
More analysis and examination of the Yoruba art piece would please me if you please to inform.
A thousand years in time and a thousand miles in distance separates these two sculptures. Can you expand on their supposed connection and on the structure presumably bridging them?
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The Yorubas of Nigeria claim they are from Middle East. Wole Soyinka is a nobel prize winner in literature. He is Yoruba...he knows he is from middle east. I figure you should give some credit to his intelligence, eh?
There are many kemitic words which appear in Yoruba language. There are numerous Yoruba gods which are the exact equivalent of kemitic gods; there are Yoruba artefacts which have their exact copies in the kemitic civilization. Would you put all these down to coincidence? Do you even believe that these facts exist at all?
If you need picture evidence, I will be glad to provide. But to start with, take a look at the gods posted by WhatBox above...
I will be back.
Lion!
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There's too much overlap between AEs and AHs (Ancient Hebrews) in my head, can someone please clarify?
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The wing of a bat and the wing of a bird makes neither of them of close relation or immediate ancestry. Analysis and examination informs us otherwise.
More analysis and examination of the Yoruba art piece would please me if you please to inform.
A thousand years in time and a thousand miles in distance separates these two sculptures. Can you expand on their supposed connection and on the structure presumably bridging them?
And the whatever is the off-spring of a snake must be long like the snake...
Early African writers almost unanimously agreed that the Yorubas were from nile valley.
Let's start with Samuel Johnson's book on the origin of the Yorubas. Samuel Johnson was a Christian cleric of the Anglican Church. he was Yoruba by origin and he wrote the first book in English language that explored the history of the Yorubas. He concludes that they are from nile valley but had crossed over from Yemen under the leadership of one Lamurudu which is synonymous with the name Nimrod. S. Johnson wrote his book in the late 19th century.
There is a book written by Sultan Bello of Sokoto, Nigeria in mid-19th century on various groups that made up what is now Nigeria. He posits the origin of the Yorubas as Canaan. Sultan Bello was a Caliph of an indigenous African Islamic Empire (one of the last vestiges of the Moors), a Berber/Fulani by descent. He ruled over a vast Empire of close to 30 million people stretching from Senegal to Lake Chad. He was an accomplished researcher and scholar who produced about 100 books in his life time. he based his research on original hadn written Moorish books from Cordoba, Fez and Cairo.
I accept the authority of these eminent fathers of Africa more than I will ever accept your European writers who tell you that Africans are confused in their claims. Those Europeans are illiterates in African studies and history since they barely understand the languages, culture or the nuances that come with them.
Google the names of those two men and research for yourself.
More to come.
Lion!
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