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Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:

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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

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You can see that most of the paint has come off. Plus look at her braided hair. And then again she could be mixed with Asian.
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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:

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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

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Bye idiot.

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^ You appear to be colour blind.
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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
^ You appear to be colour blind.

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You appear to be retarded.

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Bye idiot.

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^ Dark brown skin isn't sallow-white.

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Close up:

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Basically you loose. The 'lightest' Africans you could post (most of whom are not even negroid by the way) still have dark brown skin.

There is no such thing as a black women with skin as light as Nefertiabet's. It is a sallow-white or golden-white colour:

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cassiterides you are blind All those women that troll posted are black ,they clearly are not white.
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Description

English: Slab stela of Old Kingdom Egyptian Princess Nefertiabet (dated 2590 - 2565 BC) from her tomb at Giza, painting on limestone, now in Louvre, France. Nefertiabet was a daughter of Kheops and sister of *Djedefra and **Khafra.

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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
^ Dark brown skin isn't sallow-white.

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Close up:

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Basically you loose. The 'lightest' Africans you could post (most of whom are not even negroid by the way) still have dark brown skin.

There is no such thing as a black women with skin as light as Nefertiabet's. It is a sallow-white or golden-white colour:

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As I was saying, you are retarded.


Am J Phys Anthropol, 2008.

Stature estimation;anatomical method;regression formulae; Egyptians

Abstract

Trotter and Gleser's (Trotter and Gleser: Am J Phys Anthropol 10 (1952) 469–514; Trotter and Gleser: Am J Phys Anthropol 16 (1958) 79–123) long bone formulae for US Blacks or derivations thereof (Robins and Shute: Hum Evol 1 (1986) 313–324) have been previously used to estimate the stature of ancient Egyptians. However, limb length to stature proportions differ between human populations; consequently, the most accurate mathematical stature estimates will be obtained when the population being examined is as similar as possible in proportions to the population used to create the equations. The purpose of this study was to create new stature regression formulae based on direct reconstructions of stature in ancient Egyptians and assess their accuracy in comparison to other stature estimation methods. We also compare Egyptian body proportions to those of modern American Blacks and Whites. Living stature estimates were derived using a revised Fully anatomical method (Raxter et al.: Am J Phys Anthropol 130 (2006) 374–384). Long bone stature regression equations were then derived for each sex. Our results confirm that, although ancient Egyptians are closer in body proportion to modern American Blacks than they are to American Whites, proportions in Blacks and Egyptians are not identical. The newly generated Egyptian-based stature regression formulae have standard errors of estimate of 1.9–4.2 cm. All mean directional differences are less than 0.4% compared to anatomically estimated stature, while results using previous formulae are more variable, with mean directional biases varying between 0.2% and 1.1%, tibial and radial estimates being the most biased. There is no evidence for significant variation in proportions among temporal or social groupings; thus, the new formulae may be broadly applicable to ancient Egyptian remains.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20790/abstract


An examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances: Support for biological diffusion or in situ development?


K. Goddea, b, Corresponding Author Contact Information

a Department of Anthropology, University of Tennessee


b Department of Science, South College

Abstract

Many authors have speculated on Nubian biological evolution. Because of the contact Nubians had with other peoples, migration and/or invasion (biological diffusion) were originally thought to be the biological mechanism for skeletal changes in Nubians. Later, a new hypothesis was put forth, the in situ hypothesis. The new hypothesis postulated that Nubians evolved in situ, without much genetic influence from foreign populations. This study examined 12 Egyptian and Nubian groups in an effort to explore the relationship between the two populations and to test the in situ hypothesis. Data from nine cranial nonmetric traits were assessed for an estimate of biological distance, using Mahalanobis D2 with a tetrachoric matrix. The distance scores were then input into principal coordinates analysis (PCO) to depict the relationships between the two populations. PCO detected 60% of the variation in the first two principal coordinates. A plot of the distance scores revealed only one cluster; the Nubian and Egyptian groups clustered together. The grouping of the Nubians and Egyptians indicates there may have been some sort of gene flow between these groups of Nubians and Egyptians. However, common adaptation to similar environments may also be responsible for this pattern. Although the predominant results in this study appear to support the biological diffusion hypothesis, the in situ hypothesis was not completely negated.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19766993


Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13

"Materials and methods In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550_/1080 BC)...... The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of negroid origin."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15804821


Wadi Kubbaniya (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)

In Egypt, the earliest evidence of humans can be recognized only from tools found scattered over an ancient surface, sometimes with hearths nearby. In Wadi Kubbaniya, a dried-up streambed cutting through the Western Desert to the floodplain northwest of Aswan in Upper Egypt, some interesting sites of the kind described above have been recorded. A cluster of Late Paleolithic camps was located in two different topographic zones: on the tops of dunes and the floor of the wadi (streambed) where it enters the valley. Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths. Most tools were bladelets made from a local stone called chert that is widely used in tool fabrication. The bones of wild cattle, hartebeest, many types of fish and birds, as well as the occasional hippopotamus have been identified in the occupation layers. Charred remains of plants that the inhabitants consumed, especially tubers, have also been found.

It appears from the zoological and botanical remains at the various sites in this wadi that the two environmental zones were exploited at different times. We know that the dune sites were occupied when the Nile River flooded the wadi because large numbers of fish and migratory bird bones were found at this location. When the water receded, people then moved down onto the silt left behind on the wadi floor and the floodplain, probably following large animals that looked for water there in the dry season. Paleolithic peoples lived at Wadi Kubbaniya for about 2,000 years, exploiting the different environments as the seasons changed. Other ancient camps have been discovered along the Nile from Sudan to the Mediterranean, yielding similar tools and food remains. These sites demonstrate that the early inhabitants of the Nile valley and its nearby deserts had learned how to exploit local environments, developing economic strategies that were maintained in later cultural traditions of pharaonic Egypt.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi.htm


*Wadi Halfa is present North Sudan.

*Wadi Kubbaniya is present Southern Egypt.


NUBIA AND EGYPT- Nubians and Egyptians were so close in various eras that they were virtually indistinguishable

Because they are in fact the same people.

“The ancient Egyptians referred to a region, located south of the third cataract the Nile River, in which Nubians dwelt as Kush.. Within such context, this phrase is not a racial slur. Throughout the history of ancient Egypt there were numerous, well documented instances that celebrate Nubian-Egyptian marriages. A study of these documents, particularly those dated to both the Egyptian New Kingdom (after 1550 B.C.E.) and to Dynasty XXV and early Dynasty XXVI (about 720-640 BCE), reveals that neither spouse nor any of the children of such unions suffered discrimination at the hands of the ancient Egyptians. Indeed such marriages were never an obstacle to social, economic, or political status, provided the individuals concerned conformed to generally accepted Egyptian social standards. Furthermore, at times, certain Nubian practices, such as tattooing for women, and the unisex fashion of wearing earrings, were wholeheartedly embraced by the ancient Egyptians." (Bianchi, 2004: p. 4)

'It is an extremely difficult task to attempt to describe the Nubians during the course of Egypt's New Kingdom, because their presence appears to have virtually evaporated from the archaeological record.. The result has been described as a wholesale Nubian assimilation into Egyptian society. This assimilation was so complete that it masked all Nubian ethnic identities insofar as archaeological remains are concerned beneath the impenetrable veneer of Egypt's material; culture.. In the Kushite Period, when Nubians ruled as Pharaohs in their own right, the material culture of Dynasty XXV (about 750-655 B.C.E.) was decidedly Egyptian in character.. Nubia's entire landscape up to the region of the Third Cataract was dotted with temples indistinguishable in style and decoration from contemporary temples erected in Egypt. The same observation obtains for the smaller number of typically Egyptian tombs in which these elite Nubian princes were interred.(Bianchi, 2004, p. 99-100)

Robert Bianchi ( 2004). Daily Life of the Nubians. Greenwood Publishing Group


Egyptians are in their root Hg E* and yes there is admixture, from less to more extend since Egypt was often invaded. For example, "The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al., (2008)


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"We also compare Egyptian body proportions to those of modern American Blacks and Whites... Long bone stature regression equations were then derived for each sex. Our results confirm that, although ancient Egyptians are closer in body proportion to modern American Blacks than they are to American Whites, proportions in Blacks and Egyptians are not identical... Intralimb indices are not significantly different between Egyptians and American Blacks...brachial indices are definitely more ‘African’... There is no evidence for significant variation in proportions among temporal or social groupings; thus, the new formula may be broadly applicable to ancient Egyptian remains." (" Stature estimation in ancient Egyptians: A new technique based on anatomical reconstruction of stature ." Michelle H. Raxter, Christopher B. Ruff, Ayman Azab, Moushira Erfan, Muhammad Soliman, Aly El-Sawaf,(Am J Phys Anthropol. 2008, Jun;136(2):147-5

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20790/abstract


I do understand your obsession with ancient Egypt. But it's not your history or even culture, your history and culture is at Europe, at the caves and forest of Europe.


By any chance pick one of these, and focus on that.


Celts
Gauls
Goths
Vandals(Asding, Siling Vandals, Alans, Suevi)
Visigoths
Franks
Teutonic(Deutsch)
Anglo-Saxon
Lombards
Osrogoths
Burgundians

You and your delusional white worldview.lol

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quote:
Originally posted by kenndo:
cassiterides you are blind All those women that troll posted are black ,they clearly are not white.

He is blind, retarded and dumb as sh*t.

With those Botox enhancements. And tanning spray.


http://www.aaamc.net/BotoxCosmeticandDysport.en.html


I truly pity this individual. Who is obviously lonely and bored.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by kenndo:
cassiterides you are blind All those women that troll posted are black ,they clearly are not white.

He is blind, retarded and dumb as sh*t.

With those Botox enhancements. And tanning spray.


http://www.aaamc.net/BotoxCosmeticandDysport.en.html


I truly pity this individual. Who is obviously lonely and bored.

LOL!

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This is not the image of a man, this is the image of a b*tchboy.

quote:
Originally posted by Omo Baba:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by kenndo:
cassiterides you are blind All those women that troll posted are black ,they clearly are not white.

He is blind, retarded and dumb as sh*t.

With those Botox enhancements. And tanning spray.


http://www.aaamc.net/BotoxCosmeticandDysport.en.html


I truly pity this individual. Who is obviously lonely and bored.

LOL!

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I guess his boyfriend pulls him by his long stringy hair, into a lil' knot. While he rocks his pretty arse.
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quote:
Originally posted by Omo Baba:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by kenndo:
cassiterides you are blind All those women that troll posted are black ,they clearly are not white.

He is blind, retarded and dumb as sh*t.

With those Botox enhancements. And tanning spray.


http://www.aaamc.net/BotoxCosmeticandDysport.en.html


I truly pity this individual. Who is obviously lonely and bored.

LOL!

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And he wonders why his still a virgin.

Stop posting this picture of him its making me depressed lol

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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:

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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

Originally, The princess's skin tone was schematically painted wheat brown in color like many other portrayals of females during the old kingdom as opposed to a realistic rendering of her skin color in the portrait. She was never painted sallow-white in skin color and neither does the portrait you put forth portray her with a sallow-white skin tone coloring.
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Simple logic suggests that if, the brown paint has faded from her skin, then the other brown objects on the relief should also be faded.
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quote:
Originally posted by Simple Girl:
Simple logic suggests that if, the brown paint has faded from her skin, then the other brown objects on the relief should also be faded.

Which in fact happened.


But simple minded blind dumb mf's can't see that.

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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:

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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

We know that royal women were frequently portrayed in yellowish tinge in ancient Egypt. Women in the Mauretania and Sahara even today lighten their faces with yellow makeup. It is also seen in certain ancient rock art in Sahara where men are also depicted brown and women much lighter. Your challenge is to find a European woman in the world with this kind of elongated Nilotic limb structure.

Then, maybe somebody will believe you.

For all we know this lady may be a Nubian depicted in characteristic Egyptian style. In any case, everyone knows the Egyptian royal women could have been mixed especially in that late period. And who cares!

You Eurnuts are just not getting it. "Intralimb indices are not significantly different between Egyptians and American Blacks...brachial indices are definitely more ‘African’..." Michelle H. Raxter, Christopher B. Ruff, Ayman Azab, Moushira Erfan, Muhammad Soliman, Aly El-Sawaf,(Am J Phys Anthropol. 2008, Jun;136(2):147-5

Judging from the above conclusion one might want to ask were Egyptians less mixed than the American "Negro".

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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:

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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

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Bye idiot.

This photo really makes one think about Ibn Butlan's 11th century statement about the women of Medina and Taif being "brown" and "golden brown", the women of the Beja being "golden" in color, while the Berber women "were black". Of course black in Arabic would have meant something a lot darker than is shown here.
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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:

Your challenge is to find a European woman in the world with this kind of elongated Nilotic limb structure.

Then, maybe somebody will believe you.

In any case, everyone knows the Egyptian royal women could have been mixed especially in that late period. And who cares!

let's use this as an example:
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Pharaoh Menkaure (Mycerinus) and his Queen




The above is a fairy realistic sculpture. Not cartoonish, perhaps slightly stylized and from the early period, 4th Dynasty.

His legs are not that long in proportion to his torso as are some Nilotics

But his arms are slightly long

^^^ the key proportion is the relation of where his wrists are, at what point on the thigh do they cross the thigh.

A comparison could be made with photos from google of men in swimsuits, not overly muscular and with one arm positioned straight down, a variety of "races" included

As per typical male ancient Egyptian complexion, this:
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you will also notice rather wide shoulders in many of these Egyptian figures.

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lioness productions

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:

Your challenge is to find a European woman in the world with this kind of elongated Nilotic limb structure.

Then, maybe somebody will believe you.

In any case, everyone knows the Egyptian royal women could have been mixed especially in that late period. And who cares!

let's use this as an example:
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Pharaoh Menkaure (Mycerinus) and his Queen




The above is a fairy realistic sculpture. Not cartoonish, perhaps slightly stylized and from the early period, 4th Dynasty.

His legs are not that long in proportion to his torso as are some Nilotics

But his arms are slightly long

^^^ the key proportion is the relation of where his wrists are, at what point on the thigh do they cross the thigh.

A comparison could be made with photos from google of men in swimsuits, not overly muscular and with one arm positioned straight down, a variety of "races" included

As per typical male ancient Egyptian complexion, this:
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you will also notice rather wide shoulders in many of these Egyptian figures.

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lioness productions

This man is depicted in the way most Ethiopians or Cushites and Puntites etc were depicted including their wide shoulders and lower arm widths, common among Cushitic speakers.

So I guess I missed the point.

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Danakil (Afar) of Eritrea

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I'm sorry if ur idea of blackness is different than everyone elses. [Wink]

I am also sorry u are not familiar with the east African physiognomy. [Big Grin]

I'm sure there are still some Tarzan video's left at Blockbuster if its not bankrupt.


BTW thank you for mentioning the African wide shoulders thing, very common among Somali and other east and West and Central Africans.

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quote:
Originally posted by castratedhide:

Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:


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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

Since so many people are willing to respond to this idiot...

First of all, the lady was painted YELLOW as that was the usual convention for women in Egyptian paint. One with decent eyesight can see the yellowish paint.

Second of all, yellow is NOT the same as 'sallow' or white. And again this was a convention and not necessarily a realistic color of the actual women. Funny how Euronuts love to focus on the light colored women but NEVER the dark colored i.e. dark brown (BLACK) men!

Third, note that this Egyptian lady is wearing a leopard skin dress which was a SACRED garb to black Africans as well as the African sounding name of the princess!

Lastly, is this thread the 3rd or 4th kind with the same title?? I recall several others with a "challenge" to black Egypt all of which was met and the idiot author Castratedhide soundly defeated and humiliated. Is the castrated one a glutton for punishment??

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by castratedhide:

Simple challenge.

If the ancient egyptians were black...

Find me a photo of a black woman with sallow-white skin like this:


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Princess Nefertiabet (26th century BC stele).

Since so many people are willing to respond to this idiot...

First of all, the lady was painted YELLOW as that was the usual convention for women in Egyptian paint. One with decent eyesight can see the yellowish paint.

Second of all, yellow is NOT the same as 'sallow' or white. And again this was a convention and not necessarily a realistic color of the actual women. Funny how Euronuts love to focus on the light colored women but NEVER the dark colored i.e. dark brown (BLACK) men!

Third, note that this Egyptian lady is wearing a leopard skin dress which was a SACRED garb to black Africans as well as the African sounding name of the princess!

Lastly, is this thread the 3rd or 4th kind with the same title?? I recall several others with a "challenge" to black Egypt all of which was met and the idiot author Castratedhide soundly defeated and humiliated. Is the castrated one a glutton for punishment??

LOL!

yes they are gluttons for it, Djehuti and don't knock replying to these trolls because it actually gives us the chance to address again the black Africanness of these people. Don't forget many people around the world come here to learn the history of Africans and about ancient indigenous Africans. Already i've seen on youtube, postings verbatim from the last two weeks of Egyptsearch in response to the Euronuts. in this way the truth is being spread - believe me.

BTW - I mentioned the characteristic portrayal of ancient Egyptian and Saharan women in yellow at top.

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
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Originally posted by the lioness:
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Originally posted by dana marniche:

Your challenge is to find a European woman in the world with this kind of elongated Nilotic limb structure.

Then, maybe somebody will believe you.

In any case, everyone knows the Egyptian royal women could have been mixed especially in that late period. And who cares!

let's use this as an example:
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Pharaoh Menkaure (Mycerinus) and his Queen




The above is a fairy realistic sculpture. Not cartoonish, perhaps slightly stylized and from the early period, 4th Dynasty.

His legs are not that long in proportion to his torso as are some Nilotics

But his arms are slightly long

^^^ the key proportion is the relation of where his wrists are, at what point on the thigh do they cross the thigh.

A comparison could be made with photos from google of men in swimsuits, not overly muscular and with one arm positioned straight down, a variety of "races" included

As per typical male ancient Egyptian complexion, this:
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you will also notice rather wide shoulders in many of these Egyptian figures.

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lioness productions

This man is depicted in the way most Ethiopians or Cushites and Puntites etc were depicted including their wide shoulders and lower arm widths, common among Cushitic speakers.

So I guess I missed the point.

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Danakil (Afar) of Eritrea

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I'm sorry if ur idea of blackness is different than everyone elses. [Wink]

I am also sorry u are not familiar with the east African physiognomy. [Big Grin]

I'm sure there are still some Tarzan video's left at Blockbuster if its not bankrupt.


BTW thank you for mentioning the African wide shoulders thing, very common among Somali and other east and West and Central Africans.

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men of Punt

I truly don't know, and, or understand what these idiots want? But it's priceless.

Last time, in January I was in Luxor, Nubia. And I saw a man looking like the boxer Holyfield. He was the a manager on a ship.

Anyway,

This is the father of the princess.


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Where is the castratedhide now?? He issued us a challenge (once again) and once again he is dismissed.
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We know these negroes ( flat noses and big lips ) sub Sahara Africans are jealous of other peoples history. Sorry negroes YOU WERE NOT ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS!

Africa is not one race of people! Just like Indians in Asia doesn't mean they are related to Chinese people, idiots! GET A CLUE!

North Africa is very close to the Middle East and southern Europe and ancient Egyptian art and sculptures show Eurasian looking peoples in a majority of it. Some Nubians, negroes  did immigrate to Egypt from south or brought as a slaves for a while, so don't bother posting pictures of them, since I've seen them already and don't deny it. But vast majority of ancient Egyptians show Eurasian rulers and peoples. NUBIANS in the south were NOT original Egyptians! STOP THE LIES!

Ethiopians, iretirians ( genetically not  negroes their blood mixed with Arabs  ) ruled for a short time by way of invasion, no different from Greeks ruling for a short time by way of invasion. But they're BOTH not TRUE, ORIGINAL Egyptians!

Eurasian peoples <-> Middle Easterners <-> are the TRUE, ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS!

Stop your jealous attempt to steal their history! STOP IT! 

You Afronazi morons!

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Some of the pictures you are putting to support your false urgement are not pure negroes or black most of them are for Ethiopians , iretirians and some hybrid negroes who one of their parent or ancestor is not Negro .... So the debate is who is Negro or not Negro so leave east African people alone negroes

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European/Asiatic cold climate or light skin inspiration was unneeded by the tropically adapted Africans of ancient Egypt. DNA studies show the Egyptians link with other Africans via Haplogroup "E" to a much greater extent than cold climate Mediterraneans, Europeans
or Middle easterners. (Keita 2004, 2008; Richards 2003; Battaglia, 2008; Cruciani 2007; Lucotte 2003; Stevanovitch et al 2004) African
people have a range of physical variation and don't need any inspiration or mixes from cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics to explain why. Features like narrow noses, thin lips, height
etc are all indigenous to Africa. Africa has both the highest
phenotypic diversity and the highest genetic diversity in the world
and don’t need cold-climate/light skin inspiration for that
established fact. All cold-climate/light skinned Europeans and
Asiatics are SUBSETS of original African diversity. Modern DNA studies
find even though some African peoples look different, they are
genetically related through the PN2 transition clade of the
Y-chromosome. Thus light-skinned African Libyans and dark-skinned
Zulus are all genetically related Africans, even though they don't
look exactly the same.
(Keita 2004; Tishkoff 2002, Ely et al, 2006, Stevanovitch 2004)

African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley
vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to
the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not
cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics. (Keita 1996;
Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)





semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners. (Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia. (Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)


German Institute for Archaeology -excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. In several of the noble specimens: "The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin."


(Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft
tissues", Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13)


"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially
southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)


______________________________________________
The kinship of Egypt and Africa
“Now the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men… They say also that the Egyptians are colonist sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony… and add the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay their burials and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian.” Diodorus of Sicily.


Diodorus drew is account most from the books of Agarharchides of Cnidus and the geographer Artemidoros of Ephesos, as well as from certain other historians whose homes were in Egypt. Diodorus corroborated these written accounts, he says, by conversing with Egyptians priests during his stay in Egypt and by consulting “with not a few ambassadors from Ethiopia… who were then in Egypt.” On the strength of these inquiries, Diodoros confidently concluded that Agatharchides, Artemidoros, and the rest had been “accurate in all they written.”

Many archaeology, anthropology, and linguistics show that may key aspects of Egyptians culture were indeed brought up from the south by migrating African colonists. The Afro-Asiatic language from which the Egyptian language descended almost certainly came from the south. Joseph Greenberg pointed to Ethiopia as the homeland of this ancestral language. Another linguist, Christopher Ehret, concluded that Afro-asiatic speakers lived on a strip of land stretching along the red sea coast all the way from Nubia to northern Somalia. Also, this territory seems to encompass the fabled land of punt, lending support of the theory that punt was the ancestral homeland of some of the Egyptians’ ancestors. Ehret believes that a group of Afro-asiatic speakers left their homeland between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C. and migrated north into Egypt. Archaeologists have confirmed that early settlers from this region brought many of the skills, customs, and beliefs from which Egyptian civilization was built.


In ancient Egypt, the king was not supposed to reign unless he was in good health. Originally, when his strength declined, he was really put to death. Many African societies would put their kings to death when they showed signs of weakness or old age. For example, the king of the varozwe, a Shona people of Zimbabwe was strangled to death as soon as his hair began to gray, his teeth to fall out, his sight to fail, or his sexual potency to dimishish. A 16th century Portuguese traveler named J.Dos Santos recorded a similar customs of the kings of Sofala. He wrote “it was formerly the custom of the king of this land to commit suicide by taking poison when any disaster or natural physical defect fell upon them, such as impotence, infectious disease, the loss of their front teeth, by which they were disfigured, or any other deformity or affliction.”


Most importantly ancient Egyptians are known for their mummies. In fact, African people did mummify their dead, much like the Egyptians. Some would smoke dry their deceased kings, warp their bodies in cloth, and keep them at hand unburied, for years at a time. Often the internal organs would be removed, as in Egyptians mummies. When Sonni Ali, the emperor of Songhai, died in 1492, for example, his sons gutted his body and filled it with honey.
Ancestor worship provides another cultural link between Egypt and the rest of Africa. Most African peoples impute to the souls of dead ancestors a godlike ability to bring good or bad fortune to living. Ancestral spirits, for that reason, are placated with rich offering and elaborate rituals to want thier favor. The souls of dead kings, in particular, are revered for their power and wisdom. In Uganda, kings are believed to continue watching over their people long after death. Special temples are built through which their spirits can be consulted for advice.


Egyptian regilion reveals its African roots in many other respects as well. Greek and roman writers expressed shock at the menagerie of cats, snakes, donkeys, birds, crocodiles, beetles, hippopotami, cattle, and baboons that populated the Egyptian pantheon. Yet, animal god remain, to this day, a characteristics features of many African cults. Like so many other Africans, the Egyptians wore masks and animals’ tails during religious rites and used hand clapping in their festivals. Egyptian boys and girls were subjected to circumcisions, possibly as a rite passages to adulthood. Male and female circumcision remains, to this day, a widespread practice throughout Africa.

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That Boobo clown is clearly frustrated.


***Nice additional posts by the way.***

quote:
Originally posted by kenndo:
European/Asiatic cold climate or light skin inspiration was unneeded by the tropically adapted Africans of ancient Egypt. DNA studies show the Egyptians link with other Africans via Haplogroup "E" to a much greater extent than cold climate Mediterraneans, Europeans
or Middle easterners. (Keita 2004, 2008; Richards 2003; Battaglia, 2008; Cruciani 2007; Lucotte 2003; Stevanovitch et al 2004) African
people have a range of physical variation and don't need any inspiration or mixes from cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics to explain why. Features like narrow noses, thin lips, height
etc are all indigenous to Africa. Africa has both the highest
phenotypic diversity and the highest genetic diversity in the world
and don’t need cold-climate/light skin inspiration for that
established fact. All cold-climate/light skinned Europeans and
Asiatics are SUBSETS of original African diversity. Modern DNA studies
find even though some African peoples look different, they are
genetically related through the PN2 transition clade of the
Y-chromosome. Thus light-skinned African Libyans and dark-skinned
Zulus are all genetically related Africans, even though they don't
look exactly the same.
(Keita 2004; Tishkoff 2002, Ely et al, 2006, Stevanovitch 2004)

African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley
vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to
the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not
cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics. (Keita 1996;
Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)





semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners. (Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia. (Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)


German Institute for Archaeology -excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. In several of the noble specimens: "The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin."


(Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft
tissues", Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13)


"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially
southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)


______________________________________________
The kinship of Egypt and Africa
“Now the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men… They say also that the Egyptians are colonist sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony… and add the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay their burials and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian.” Diodorus of Sicily.


Diodorus drew is account most from the books of Agarharchides of Cnidus and the geographer Artemidoros of Ephesos, as well as from certain other historians whose homes were in Egypt. Diodorus corroborated these written accounts, he says, by conversing with Egyptians priests during his stay in Egypt and by consulting “with not a few ambassadors from Ethiopia… who were then in Egypt.” On the strength of these inquiries, Diodoros confidently concluded that Agatharchides, Artemidoros, and the rest had been “accurate in all they written.”

Many archaeology, anthropology, and linguistics show that may key aspects of Egyptians culture were indeed brought up from the south by migrating African colonists. The Afro-Asiatic language from which the Egyptian language descended almost certainly came from the south. Joseph Greenberg pointed to Ethiopia as the homeland of this ancestral language. Another linguist, Christopher Ehret, concluded that Afro-asiatic speakers lived on a strip of land stretching along the red sea coast all the way from Nubia to northern Somalia. Also, this territory seems to encompass the fabled land of punt, lending support of the theory that punt was the ancestral homeland of some of the Egyptians’ ancestors. Ehret believes that a group of Afro-asiatic speakers left their homeland between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C. and migrated north into Egypt. Archaeologists have confirmed that early settlers from this region brought many of the skills, customs, and beliefs from which Egyptian civilization was built.


In ancient Egypt, the king was not supposed to reign unless he was in good health. Originally, when his strength declined, he was really put to death. Many African societies would put their kings to death when they showed signs of weakness or old age. For example, the king of the varozwe, a Shona people of Zimbabwe was strangled to death as soon as his hair began to gray, his teeth to fall out, his sight to fail, or his sexual potency to dimishish. A 16th century Portuguese traveler named J.Dos Santos recorded a similar customs of the kings of Sofala. He wrote “it was formerly the custom of the king of this land to commit suicide by taking poison when any disaster or natural physical defect fell upon them, such as impotence, infectious disease, the loss of their front teeth, by which they were disfigured, or any other deformity or affliction.”


Most importantly ancient Egyptians are known for their mummies. In fact, African people did mummify their dead, much like the Egyptians. Some would smoke dry their deceased kings, warp their bodies in cloth, and keep them at hand unburied, for years at a time. Often the internal organs would be removed, as in Egyptians mummies. When Sonni Ali, the emperor of Songhai, died in 1492, for example, his sons gutted his body and filled it with honey.
Ancestor worship provides another cultural link between Egypt and the rest of Africa. Most African peoples impute to the souls of dead ancestors a godlike ability to bring good or bad fortune to living. Ancestral spirits, for that reason, are placated with rich offering and elaborate rituals to want thier favor. The souls of dead kings, in particular, are revered for their power and wisdom. In Uganda, kings are believed to continue watching over their people long after death. Special temples are built through which their spirits can be consulted for advice.


Egyptian regilion reveals its African roots in many other respects as well. Greek and roman writers expressed shock at the menagerie of cats, snakes, donkeys, birds, crocodiles, beetles, hippopotami, cattle, and baboons that populated the Egyptian pantheon. Yet, animal god remain, to this day, a characteristics features of many African cults. Like so many other Africans, the Egyptians wore masks and animals’ tails during religious rites and used hand clapping in their festivals. Egyptian boys and girls were subjected to circumcisions, possibly as a rite passages to adulthood. Male and female circumcision remains, to this day, a widespread practice throughout Africa.

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quote:
Originally posted by ass-humps-on more ass-humps-on:

Some of the pictures you are putting to support your false argument are not pure negroes or black most of them are for Ethiopians , iretirians and some hybrid negroes who one of their parent or ancestor is not Negro .... So the debate is who is Negro or not Negro so leave east African people alone negroes

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Yes, explain to us again how 'true negroes' look like and why there is only one type while there is no 'true caucasian' and caucasians come in all types again??

Tell us again how Central Africans like this man...

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is actually of caucasoid origin, even though genetics refutes this or any of your caca-soid claims..

We want to hear more. [Roll Eyes]

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cmon guys we are here talking about majority so please stop selecting pictures from minority living here or there or to confusing us . for example have you seen Obama father ? He is a pure Negro but Obama mother is white and now this mix marriage will affect the coming generation of this sin marriage we should unit to stop the mix martiage cuz it will change the original beauty face of our planet

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This is what happens when one is idiotic and a mental wreck. Making assumptions and baseless claims on stupidity.


Putting in non-factors to the issue at hand. [Big Grin] [Confused] [Frown] [Embarrassed] [Mad] [Eek!]


quote:
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cmon guys we are here talking about majority so please stop selecting pictures from minority living here or there or to confusing us . for example have you seen Obama father ? He is a pure Negro but Obama mother is white and now this mix marriage will affect the coming generation of this sin marriage we should unit to stop the mix martiage cuz it will change the original beauty face of our planet

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His father is not the standard or substandard for Africans.

This is what uneducated fools such as yourself can't grasp. I mean really, did you understand any of what was posted prior to this?

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by ass-humps-on more ass-humps-on:

Some of the pictures you are putting to support your false argument are not pure negroes or black most of them are for Ethiopians , iretirians and some hybrid negroes who one of their parent or ancestor is not Negro .... So the debate is who is Negro or not Negro so leave east African people alone negroes

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Yes, explain to us again how 'true negroes' look like and why there is only one type while there is no 'true caucasian' and caucasians come in all types again??

Tell us again how Central Africans like this man...

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is actually of caucasoid origin, even though genetics refutes this or any of your caca-soid claims..

We want to hear more. [Roll Eyes]

Yes, it does happen again.


There are many uneducated and even dumb folks out there. Blame it on the failing education system.

Can you imagine he posted right after your post. Peer reviewed academic sources by Kenndo's post and mine. And still did not get it, "it" don't understand biodiversity.


I say let's teardown this bitchboy, not for the sake but for the fun.

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lol...da same reaction ..insult , abuse , disregard...etc . the same type of language again and again and again wherever in da world. abusive language baseless arguers weapon. they always try to force/ motivate the readers to believe in what they believe otherwise they will attack them by this impolite words.

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Look trying to gleen what the ancients looked from drawing is ok to a point by what about other areas such as genetics, were the Kemities biologically African?... answer that
were they culturally Africans...answer that.

I can take any number of select paintings/pics and prove that the Swiss were Black or Kenyans were whites.

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Dana says,

We know that royal women were frequently portrayed in yellowish tinge in ancient Egypt. Women in the Mauretania and Sahara even today lighten their faces with yellow makeup. It is also seen in certain ancient rock art in Sahara where men are also depicted brown and women much lighter

Yellow paint? Riiight! We can't you admit that Egypt saw many migrations from the Near East like the Hysksos etc. Many Pahroahs would take Foreign wives etc Some Pharoahs were of Libyan descent. That you feel that you must always rush to the forefront and claim everyone Black, going to whatever ridiculous lengths, claiming women were puting yellow paint on their faces etc, shows that you are not at all an objetive person. [Frown]

Young Egyptian girl.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

Last time, in January I was in Luxor, Nubia. And I saw a man looking like the boxer Holyfield. He was the a manager on a ship.

Anyway,

This is the father of the princess.


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The statue is reminiscent of portrayals like Mentuhotep from the 12th dynasty. Princess Nefertiabet was from the old kingdom; 4th dynasty to be exact, not from the Middle kingdom.
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quote:
Originally posted by assumptions prove assumptions:
lol...da same reaction ..insult , abuse , disregard...etc . the same type of language again and again and again wherever in da world. abusive language baseless arguers weapon. they always try to force/ motivate the readers to believe in what they believe otherwise they will attack them by this impolite words.

It's funny how Boobo the clown keeps spinning in weak and wacky emotions on assumptions.


While being slapped left and right with peer review data. Then claims he/she/it is not being respected, and being insulted etc...when it has been doing the same. lol

You get back the threat you give. You get back the same amount of respect you give. This means zero to none.


PINHASI Ron, SEMAL Patrick (2000).

The position of the Nazlet Khater specimen among prehistoric and modern African and Levantine populations.


"The morphometric affinities of the 33,000 year old skeleton from Nazlet Khater, Upper Egypt are examined using multivariate statistical procedures.

The results indicate a strong association between some of the sub-Saharan Middle Stone Age (MSA) specimens, and the Nazlet Khater mandible.

Furthermore, the results suggest that variability between African populations during the Neolithic and Protohistoric periods was more pronounced than the range of variability observed among recent African and Levantine populations."


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10964529


The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains

Meredith F. Small*


Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley. In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times. This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.

A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis. Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.


Busharia reveals the precocious appearance of pottery on the African continent around the 9th millennium B.C.

The site of Busharia is located near the desert, at the edge of the alluvial plain and near an old Nile channel. It reveals the remains of human occupation at the onset of the Holocene. The settlement is rather eroded, only a few artefacts, ostrich egg fragments and extremely old ceramic sherds remain. These sherds date to circa 8200 B.C. The ceramic assemblage is homogenous, which suggests the existence of a single occupation phase. The decorations and the use of the return technique, common in the central Sahara around the 6th millennium B.C., are unique in this Nubian context for such an early period.

Remains discovered on site suggest the existence of a semi-sedentary population living from hunting, fishing, and the gathering of wild plants. A trial trench and a small-scale excavation were conducted on this Mesolithic site; however, it is impossible to obtain at present a better understanding of the context related to the first ceramics in the region. As this site is located near cultivated zones, it is thus threatened with short-term destruction.

http://www.kerma.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=92

Three scale models—of the Mesolithic hut of el-Barga (7500 B.C.), the proto-urban agglomeration of the Pre-Kerma (3000 B.C.) and the ancient city of Kerma (2500-1500 B.C.)—give a glimpse of the world of the living. They show the evolution of settlements for each of the key periods in Nubian history. Huts indicate the birth of a sedentary way of life, the agglomeration confirms the settling of populations on a territory and the capital of the Kingdom of Kerma marks the culmination of the complexification of Nubian architecture with its ever more monumental constructions. The three models were created in Switzerland by Hugo Lienhard and were installed in the museum in January 2009.

http://www.kerma.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=45〈=en

Wadi el-Arab reveals an almost continuous series of settlement remains spanning two millennia as well as the first Neolithic burials known in Africa.

This site is located today in a desert region. Discovered in 2005, it has been under excavation since 2006. This is an open-air site occupied on several occasions during a period between 8300 and 6600 B.C. Its inhabitants then lived in a rather wooded environment, living on fishing, hunting and gathering.

The site reveals numerous flint tools and flakes, grinding stone fragments, ceramic sherds, ostrich eggshell beads, shells and mollusc remains, fish vertebrae and faunal remains. Rare domesticated ox bones were discovered and dated to circa 7000 B.C. This discovery is important for the question regarding the origin of animal domestication in Africa because it reinforces the idea of a local domestication of African oxen from aurochs living in the Nile Valley.

During the 2006-2007 campaign, six burial pits were excavated in three different areas. Dated to between 7000 and 6600, these burials are the first known Neolithic burials on the African continent.

http://www.kerma.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=57


Project Director : Prof. Matthieu Honegger

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Originally posted by melchior7:
Dana says,

We know that royal women were frequently portrayed in yellowish tinge in ancient Egypt. Women in the Mauretania and Sahara even today lighten their faces with yellow makeup. It is also seen in certain ancient rock art in Sahara where men are also depicted brown and women much lighter

Yellow paint? Riiight! We can't you admit that Egypt saw many migrations from the Near East like the Hysksos etc. Many Pahroahs would take Foreign wives etc Some Pharoahs were of Libyan descent. That you feel that you must always rush to the forefront and claim everyone Black, going to whatever ridiculous lengths, claiming women were puting yellow paint on their faces etc, shows that you are not at all an objetive person. [Frown]

Young Egyptian girl.

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Is she cold adapted, warm adapted or intermediate?
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quote:
Originally posted by Simple Girl:
Simple logic suggests that if, the brown paint has faded from her skin, then the other brown objects on the relief should also be faded.

Lol its clear other objects on the relief have also faded but that is beside the point. The point is the original schematic skin color representing the princess was wheat-brown in color.

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This can be ascertained from close examination where traces of wheat brown coloring exist on her skin along with other customary portrayals of wheat brown colored females dating to the old kingdom.

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quote:
Originally posted by ass-hump-ons more ass-hump-ons:

cmon guys we are here talking about majority so please stop selecting pictures from minority living here or there or to confusing us . for example have you seen Obama father? He is a pure Negro but Obama mother is white and now this mix marriage will affect the coming generation of this sin marriage we should unit to stop the mix martiage cuz it will change the original beauty face of our planet

Your ridiculous remarks about Obama and mix-marriages aside. The man whose picture I posted comes from Rwanda and he and his people were not prevalent enough in numbers for Europeans to actually label as "caucasoid"! Many East Africans like Ethiopians and Somalis were also labeled as ca-casoid and even peoples as far south as Tanzania. Then we have those peoples in West Africa with aquiline features like the Fulani who range throughout vast tracts of West Africa to Sudan. All this not excluding those in North Africa and the Sahara including ancient Egyptians who are also labeled as "ca-casoid" no matter how dark their skin.

On the contrary the majority of whites look a certain way yet their ca-casoid race extends well beyond Europe into Southwest Asia, South Asia, and even Africa. Do you not realize how idiot this racial theory of caca-soid vs. negroid is? Apparently not.

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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:

Yes, it does happen again.

There are many uneducated and even dumb folks out there. Blame it on the failing education system.

Can you imagine he posted right after your post. Peer reviewed academic sources by Kenndo's post and mine. And still did not get it, "it" don't understand biodiversity.

I say let's teardown this bitchboy, not for the sake but for the fun.

Indeed. Be my guest.
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quote:
Originally posted by malcontent7:

Yellow paint? Riiight! We can't you admit that Egypt saw many migrations from the Near East like the Hysksos etc. Many Pahroahs would take Foreign wives etc Some Pharoahs were of Libyan descent. That you feel that you must always rush to the forefront and claim everyone Black, going to whatever ridiculous lengths, claiming women were puting yellow paint on their faces etc, shows that you are not at all an objetive person. [Frown]

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Hey ignoramus! The convention for yellow paint among women had NOTHING to do with Asiatics or the immigrations there or! Such a convention has been in place since the beginnings of the Old Kingdom even in the southern part where complexions were darker than in the north.

Here is what one Egyptologist says:

"..Male and female skin colors were probably not uniform among the entire population of Egypt, with pigmentation being darker in the south [closer to sub-saharan Africans] and lighter in the north [closer to Mediterranean Near Easterners] A woman from the south would probably have had darker skin than a man from the North. Thus, the colorations used for skin tones in the art must have been schematic [or symbolic] rather than realistic; the clear gender distinction encoded in that scheme may have been based on elite ideals relating to male and female roles,in which women's responsibilities kept them indoors, so that they spent less time in the sun than men. Nevertheless, the significance of the two colors may be even deeper, making some as yet unknown but fundamental difference between men and women in Egyptian worldview..."

The belief that women stayed indoors was proven wrong since artwork shows that even poor women who did work outside the home alongside men were still painted yellow, and elite women spent their time outdoors in recreation.

Oh your one cherry-picked image of an (Arab) Egyptian girl cannot do you justice.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sahel (Siptah):

quote:
Originally posted by Simpleton:
Simple logic suggests that if, the brown paint has faded from her skin, then the other brown objects on the relief should also be faded.

Lol its clear other objects on the relief have also faded but that is beside the point. The point is the original schematic skin color representing the princess was wheat-brown in color.

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This can be ascertained from close examination where traces of wheat brown coloring exist on her skin along with other customary portrayals of wheat brown colored females dating to the old kingdom.

LOL There goes simpleton non-logic. [Big Grin]
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Originally posted by Selassie der könig:
You can see that most of the paint has come off. Plus look at her braided hair. And then again she could be mixed with Asian.

You sure her hair's braided here? It looks like it could be some kind of fine dreadlocks to me.
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Some more simple logic. Notice the picture below. The women are very light and the men are slightly darker. I highly doubt that the paint faded only from the women and not from the men in the picture.

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quote:
Originally posted by Simple Girl:
Some more simple logic. Notice the picture below. The women are very light and the men are slightly darker. I highly doubt that the paint faded only from the women and not from the men in the picture.

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Yes, they are light.

How about the scholar you support. He himself stated that those colours are symbolically. Remember?


And yes, there were small groups who entered into Egypt and settled, especiallymin the delta region. Including the oppressors Hyksos who later got kicked out. Those people were cold adapted. The original inhabiters were warm adapted people like other Africans, with who they shared their multiple continues affinities. This was shown time and time again.

Tell me, what part of this data can't you grasp?

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In many African traditions the ritual of dead is symbolically being depicted light/ white. Not dark/ black as is in European context.

This depiction is from the book of...guess what...dead...


Here we see, baboons being depicted. The baboon mummy cult was found at the Horn. Baboons are from inner Africa.


And all dipictions show animism, another African tradition.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/baboon-mummy-analysis-reveals-eritrea-and-ethiopia-as-location-of-land-of-punt-1954547.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
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Originally posted by malcontent7:

Yellow paint? Riiight! We can't you admit that Egypt saw many migrations from the Near East like the Hysksos etc. Many Pahroahs would take Foreign wives etc Some Pharoahs were of Libyan descent. That you feel that you must always rush to the forefront and claim everyone Black, going to whatever ridiculous lengths, claiming women were puting yellow paint on their faces etc, shows that you are not at all an objetive person. [Frown]

Young Egyptian girl.

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Hey ignoramus! The convention for yellow paint among women had NOTHING to do with Asiatics or the immigrations there or! Such a convention has been in place since the beginnings of the Old Kingdom even in the southern part where complexions were darker than in the north.

Here is what one Egyptologist says:

"..Male and female skin colors were probably not uniform among the entire population of Egypt, with pigmentation being darker in the south [closer to sub-saharan Africans] and lighter in the north [closer to Mediterranean Near Easterners] A woman from the south would probably have had darker skin than a man from the North. Thus, the colorations used for skin tones in the art must have been schematic [or symbolic] rather than realistic; the clear gender distinction encoded in that scheme may have been based on elite ideals relating to male and female roles,in which women's responsibilities kept them indoors, so that they spent less time in the sun than men. Nevertheless, the significance of the two colors may be even deeper, making some as yet unknown but fundamental difference between men and women in Egyptian worldview..."

The belief that women stayed indoors was proven wrong since artwork shows that even poor women who did work outside the home alongside men were still painted yellow, and elite women spent their time outdoors in recreation.

Oh your one cherry-picked image of an (Arab) Egyptian girl cannot do you justice.


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I agree with you.

But the lighter complected girl shows same facial affinities with the darker skinned girls.

This is also what studies state. They show the same affinities. (in ancient context)

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quote:
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Originally posted by Simple Girl:
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In many African traditions the ritual of dead is symbolically being depicted light/ white. Not dark/ black as is in European context.


The mummy of Hunefer, shown supported by the god Anubis (or a priest wearing a jackal mask). Hunefer's wife and daughter mourn, and three priests perform rituals. The two priests with white sashes are carrying out the Opening of the Mouth ritual. The white building at the right is a representation of the tomb.The ritual involved the symbolic animation of a statue or mummy by magically opening its mouth so that it could breathe and speak. There is evidence of this ritual from the Old Kingdom to the Roman Period. Special tools were used to perform the ceremony, such as a ritual adze, an arm shaped ritual censer, a spooned blade known as a peseshkaf, a serpent-head blade, and a variety of other amulets. A calf's leg was also held up to the lips painted on the coffin.
The ancient Egyptians believed that in order for a person's soul to survive in the afterlife it would need to have food and water. A special ritual called the 'Opening of the Mouth' was performed so that the person who died could eat and drink again in the afterlife.
The ceremony involved up to 75 "episodes" and, in its most complete version, included the following stages


Above two man and woman are doing an embalming ritutal.

1) The men are colored reddish brown. What does reddish brown symbolize?

2) The woman is colored pinkish beige. What does pinkish beige symbolize?

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