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quote:
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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

I think Kwesi is wrong and is, I hate to say it (even the term itself) 'Bantu-centric'. There seem to be some Africanist scholars with an agenda to make Bantu speakers of peoples of Central Africa primary to other African peoples and civilizations. [Embarrassed]
Well I don't know about Central African people. But Bantu people of East Africa and Southern Africa most certainly did have civilizations.

Wasn't the Kongo Kingdom in a way advanced? I know it wasn't something comparable to Ancient Egypt or even the Mali empire. But I read some interesting things about the kingdom nonetheless.

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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:
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Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXNVpXB-wo

^^^In that video Ashra Kwesi states that Kush/Kemet is the daughter of Ethiopia. While all three are the granddaughters of the Congo @12:27...

What are you guys thoughts?

I think Kwesi is wrong and is, I hate to say it (even the term itself) 'Bantu-centric'. There seem to be some Africanist scholars with an agenda to make Bantu speakers of peoples of Central Africa primary to other African peoples and civilizations. [Embarrassed]
Well I don't know about Central African people. But Bantu people of East Africa and Southern Africa most certainly did have civilizations.

Wasn't the Kongo Kingdom in a way advanced? I know it wasn't something comparable to Ancient Egypt or even the Mali empire. But I read some interesting things about the kingdom nonetheless.

It think it was comparable to egypt, it was highly advanced.Some ways more advanced then egypt,and some way not has advanced.


The kingdom of kongo
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African Treasures
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17th century painting of the dutch painter Albert Eckhout showing two emissaries of the Kingdom of Kongo in Brazil holding the two main sources of wealth in west africa, an ivory tusk and a jewel box.

African Nobleman
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17th century painting of the dutch painter Albert Eckhout showing the nobleman Don Miguel de Castro from the Kingdom of Kongo during a commercial trip to the portuguese colony of Brazil

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illustration showing the king Afonso I of Kongo, ruler of the Kingdom of Kongo in the first half of the 16th century. Afonso is best known for his vigorous attempt to convert Kongo to a Catholic country, by establishing the Roman Catholic Church in Kongo, providing for its financing from tax revenues, and creating schools. By 1516 there were over 1000 students in the royal school, and other schools were located in the provinces, eventually resulting in the development of a fully literate noble class.

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M'banza-Kongo

M'banza-Kongo was once the home of the Manikongo, the ruler of the Kingdom of Kongo, which at its peak reached from southern Africa's Atlantic coast to the Nkisi River.

The earliest documented kings referred to their city in their correspondence as "the city of Congo" (cidade de Congo), and the name of the city as São Salvador appears for the first time in the letters of Álvaro I (1568–1587) and was carried on by his successors. The name was changed back to "City of Kongo" (Mbanza Kongo) after Angolan independence in 1975.


When the Portuguese arrived in Kongo, Mbanza Kongo was already a large town, perhaps the largest in sub-equatorial Africa, and an early visitor of 1491 compared it in size to the Portuguese town of Évora. During the reign of Afonso I, stone buildings were added, including a palace and several churches. The town grew substantially as the kingdom of Kongo expanded and grew, and an ecclesiastical statement of the 1630s related that 4,000-5,000 baptisms were performed in the city and its immediate hinterland (presumably the valleys that surround it), which is consistent with an overall population of 100,000 people. Of these, perhaps 30,000 lived on the mountain and the remainder in the valleys around the city. Among its important buildings were some twelve churches, including São Salvador, as well as private chapels and oratories and an impressive two-story royal palace, the only such building in all of Kongo, according to the visitor Giovanni Francesco da Roma (1648).

The city was sacked several times during the civil wars that followed the battle of Mbwila (or Ulanga) in 1665, and was abandoned in 1678. It was reoccupied in 1705 by Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita's followers and restored as Kongo's capital by King Pedro IV of Kongo in 1709. It was never again depopulated though its population fluctuated substantially during the eighteenth and nineteenth century.

M'banza Kongo is known for the ruins of its 16th century cathedral (built in 1549).


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The capital of the Kingdom of Kongo

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^^^Man thanks for the amazing post!!! To be honest I wonder why the Kongo Kingdom is so underrated??? Even civilizations in Africa are very underrated, but it seems Central African civilizations are the most underrated.
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Here are maps showing many though not all the important kingdoms of African history. One may exclude Carthage or Merina as foreign extraction but still..

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I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

Carthage is most definitely foreign.
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Son of Ra and Firewall don't be too sure about that for even before the Phoenicians leave the lavant to found Khart Haddast they were culturally and genetically linked to Africans mainly Nile valley folk like the Kemeties and Kushites.

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http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001850

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=461
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004782
Might wanna clk those links see Xyyman and Zarahan and Swenet for the bio anthropology stuff.

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http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hist&action=display&thread=1379
For more on the Kingdom of the Kongo go here,including some really kool pics.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Son of Ra and Firewall don't be too sure about that for even before the Phoenicians leave the lavant to found Khart Haddast they were culturally and genetically linked to Africans mainly Nile valley folk like the Kemeties and Kushites.

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http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001850

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=461
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004782
Might wanna clk those links see Xyyman and Zarahan and Swenet for the bio anthropology stuff.

Well on this show they did potray Hannibal as black...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3nRl9sGcpM

But I am still not too certain to claim the Phoenicians as native Africans. Has their been any DNA test on the remains of the Phoenicians?

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@ Son Of Ra
Mitochondrial DNA geneflow indicates preferred usage of the Levant Corridor over the Horn of Africa passageway
D. J. Rowold, J. R. Luis, M. C. Terreros, Rene J. Herrera
Look Inside Get Access
Abstract
Both the Levantine Corridor and the Horn of Africa route have figured prominently in early hominid migrations from Africa to Eurasia. To gauge the importance of these two African–Asian thoroughfares in the demic movements of modern man, we surveyed the mtDNA control region variation and coding polymorphisms of 739 individuals representing ten African and Middle Eastern populations. Two of these collections, Egypt and Yemen, are geographically close to the Levant and Horn of Africa, respectively. In this analysis, we uncover genetic evidence for the preferential use of the Levantine Corridor in the Upper Paleolithic to Neolithic dispersals of haplogroups H, J*, N1b, and T1, in contrast to an overwhelming preference in favor of the Horn of Africa for the intercontinental expansion of M1 during the Middle to Upper Paleolithic. Furthermore, we also observed a higher frequency of sub-Saharan mtDNA compared to NRY lineages in the Middle Eastern collections, a pattern also seen in previous studies. In short, the results of this study suggest that several migratory episodes of maternal lineages occurred across the African–Asian corridors since the first African exodus of modern Homo sapiens sapiens.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10038-007-0132-7?LI=true#page-1
While this is not Phoenician specific it does establish that from the very earliest of times African population colonized the area and this goes for skull and bone anthropology as well see Natufians


The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form

Abstract
Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 craniofacial measurements of a series of human populations are used to generate neighbor-joining dendrograms, it is no surprise that all modern European groups, ranging all of the way from Scandinavia to eastern Europe and throughout the Mediterranean to the Middle East, show that they are closely related to each other. The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. Basques and Canary Islanders are clearly associated with modern Europeans. When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested. The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it.
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/1/242.short
But really Xyyman and Zarahan are much better at this than I am, see the cultural stuff that I bumped for you and Firewall on the Ancient Egypt side.

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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:

quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

Carthage is most definitely foreign.
Merina was the result of Malagasy from Indonesia, though there's evidence that Africans were present on the island as well. As for Carthage, it was a Phoenician colony, but the map happens to show all states and polities that were started IN Africa not necessarily by Africans though indigenous Africans were influential.

By the way, Carthage was later succeeded by the kingdom of Numidia which was began by indigenous Africans.

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The Lyinass busted.
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Originally posted [13 March, 2013 12:58 AM] by the lyinass:

If you ask around to the members only me and Clyde Winters are admitted Afrocentrics...

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Originally posted [21 March, 2013 02:12 AM] by the lyinass:

Your Afrocentric mission you have stated is that scientists should 'admit the Egyptians were black'.

In your frustration, in your second post above you accuse me of having an Afrocentric mission (even though I don't). Yet you said in your initial post that you are an admitted Afrocentric.

So tell us lyinass, are you Afrocentric or do you get fed up by Afrocentrics?? LOL [Big Grin]

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DJ and others see the part in yellow including the Levant where the Phoenicians hang-out that's really Africa geographically although generally considered conceded territory even by Africans themselves,but early on African culture pre-dominated and significant biologically African presence is noted above,


In 1928, Charles Lambert had uncovered, during a preliminary investigation at el- Wad, the first prehistoric art object discovered in the Near East, a finely carved bone animal head. He had also discovered human, later identified as Natufian, burials. - Courtesy of the University of Cambridge, the department of archeology.

The "Natufians", the reputed "first farmers" of the Neolithic "Near East", had gone from being regarded as mere "cannibals" by observers of the day shortly after being uncovered in the late 1920s to becoming widely recognized as "pioneers" of the farming economy that took hold in the Neolithic era and was subsequently swept into Europe.

Any observant reader will be hard-pressed to not see the change in attitude about the cultural identity of these "first farmers" from the years when folks of the 20th century were just starting to get to know who they were, at which time all these 20th century observers had available to them were the human remains and a few artifacts here and there, to the ensuing periods when the role of the would-be farmers began unfolding with increased vigor and getting wider recognition within academia. This can perhaps be amply demonstrated through the glimpse of news reports/articles that first came out when news of the discovery of "Natufian" remains reached the media, and subsequent publications by several authors in the ensuing years of the 20th century; take for example the following extracts from a 1932 New York Times publication:

BONES OF CANNIBALS: A PALESTINE RIDDLE
Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
New York Times 1857; Aug 4, 1932; ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2003)
pg. 21

ATE BODIES OF ENEMIES
Men, Short of Stature, Burned Bones of Dead After Burial, London Session Hears.

TEETH OF WOMEN DRAWN
Linking relics to Burnt Skeletons from Ur scientist speculate an old cremation custom.

Wireless to NEW YORK TIMES London Aug. 3

Seven or eight thousand years ago in what geologist call modern times a race of negroid cannibals lived In Palestine, burned the bones of their dead after burial, and devoured the bodies of their enemies.

Skulls and thighbones of this race were unearthed within the last four years, first at Shukbah near Jerusalem and later in caves at Mount Carmel, and because they puzzled the excavators who found them they received the new name “Natufians.”

Today the first authoritative account of them was given by Sir Arthur Keith to the congress of Prehistoric and Protohistoric Sciences and showed them to be one of the greatest riddles of archaeology.

They were clearly a Negroid people, said Sir Arthur, with wide faces flat- noses and long large heads.
http://exploring-africa.blogspot.jp/2010/09/trivia-on-natufians.html

The age before Dna mapping can be excused for using the term Negroid and trying to connect them to certain populations below the Sahara, but these are the people who made-up part of the later Phoenicians long before there was a Phoenicia. and later direct Kemetic control of the area,using various troops of different ethnicity from the deep south of Kemet to pacify the Levant and bring them to heel.

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quote:
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@ Son Of Ra
Mitochondrial DNA geneflow indicates preferred usage of the Levant Corridor over the Horn of Africa passageway
D. J. Rowold, J. R. Luis, M. C. Terreros, Rene J. Herrera
Look Inside Get Access
Abstract
Both the Levantine Corridor and the Horn of Africa route have figured prominently in early hominid migrations from Africa to Eurasia. To gauge the importance of these two African–Asian thoroughfares in the demic movements of modern man, we surveyed the mtDNA control region variation and coding polymorphisms of 739 individuals representing ten African and Middle Eastern populations. Two of these collections, Egypt and Yemen, are geographically close to the Levant and Horn of Africa, respectively. In this analysis, we uncover genetic evidence for the preferential use of the Levantine Corridor in the Upper Paleolithic to Neolithic dispersals of haplogroups H, J*, N1b, and T1, in contrast to an overwhelming preference in favor of the Horn of Africa for the intercontinental expansion of M1 during the Middle to Upper Paleolithic. Furthermore, we also observed a higher frequency of sub-Saharan mtDNA compared to NRY lineages in the Middle Eastern collections, a pattern also seen in previous studies. In short, the results of this study suggest that several migratory episodes of maternal lineages occurred across the African–Asian corridors since the first African exodus of modern Homo sapiens sapiens.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10038-007-0132-7?LI=true#page-1
While this is not Phoenician specific it does establish that from the very earliest of times African population colonized the area and this goes for skull and bone anthropology as well see Natufians


The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form

Abstract
Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 craniofacial measurements of a series of human populations are used to generate neighbor-joining dendrograms, it is no surprise that all modern European groups, ranging all of the way from Scandinavia to eastern Europe and throughout the Mediterranean to the Middle East, show that they are closely related to each other. The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. Basques and Canary Islanders are clearly associated with modern Europeans. When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested. The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it.
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/1/242.short
But really Xyyman and Zarahan are much better at this than I am, see the cultural stuff that I bumped for you and Firewall on the Ancient Egypt side.

Thanks.


quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:

quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
I thought Merina was a mix of african and asian,and some think Carthage is more native then foreign,but i think it's more foreign.

Carthage is most definitely foreign.
Merina was the result of Malagasy from Indonesia, though there's evidence that Africans were present on the island as well. As for Carthage, it was a Phoenician colony, but the map happens to show all states and polities that were started IN Africa not necessarily by Africans though indigenous Africans were influential.

By the way, Carthage was later succeeded by the kingdom of Numidia which was began by indigenous Africans.

Interesting...I heard of the Kingdom of Numidia.
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Ashra Kwesi is a great Kemitologist, researcher and teacher.He is the student of Scholar Yosef Ben Jochanan.Ashra Kwesi organise historical tour to Egypt, Nubia and Ethiopia. Ashra Kwesi produced the greatest videos on Ancient Egyptian history and religion.In a fair world Ashra Kwesi videos would have been playing in the History Channel and discovery Channel but they will rather play science fiction documentary like Ancient Alien.

I think Ashra Kwesi is saying in the youtube video that the Twa people of the Kongo created Ethiopia, Kush and Kemet. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

Actually it is...Its more like a toned down Stormfront. Just look at some of the post from this thread.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40815-Negroids-have-not-evolved

Even some of the mods on that site are EUrocentrics. That's one reason why I stopped going on that site.

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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:
quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

Actually it is...Its more like a toned down Stormfront. Just look at some of the post from this thread.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40815-Negroids-have-not-evolved

Even some of the mods on that site are EUrocentrics. That's one reason why I stopped going on that site.

it's a good site because there are a lot of people on it including afrocentrics or Africanists the do frontline race battle on some threads and they also have a lot of their own threads where the white supremacist types don't post on because they aren't interested in some topics. there are plenty of those

And here at Egyptsearch there is a white supremacist who comes around. there used to be two to three at a time.

But there's also Egyptsearch Reloaded
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi
which has some posters from here and it was started by somebody from here, Brada Over there they don't have white supremacists everybody is usually an Africanist of some kind.
But sometimes it gets boring over there and people come here for the boxing. I'm the current champion. The lioness has had many meals here.

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^ LOL @ lyinass claiming 'Biodiversity' to be a "good site". It's good to her because she is one of those Euronuts and then she talks about "frontline race battle"! LOL That's the problem with Biodiversity-- it gets bogged down by the racial crap that the real info and data or valid interpretations thereof get lost. Even Son of Ra knows that.
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^^^^ stop the BS while beyoku aka four, Game Theory aka Charlie Bass and Doc Scientia are duking with Crimson Guard and Racial Reality at Forum Biodiversity, even zarahan was there, you're here in numerous replies to Anglo_P, what a joke
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^ LOL The only one spouting BS is YOU. First of all, I used to go on Biodiversity years before you've even heard of it when it had some decency. Second, my replies to Anglo-Idiot are nothing more than mockery of his idiocy and not some "frontline race battle". There is nothing to battle when it comes to retards like Anglo-Idiot. I used to engage 'Racial Reality' as well when he trolled in this forum as Evil-Euro which is more like Stupid-Euro. Instead of engaging idiots, I prefer to have logical discussions with intelligent folk about FACTS which is something we used to do all the time in Egyptsearch before trolls like them and YOU even reared up.

And we know you are a passive-aggressive Euronut in disguise troll agent of Mathilda as well b|tch, so don't play! [Embarrassed]

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:
quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
As for biodiversity. Its not that close to stormfront...then again I wouldnt know too much and I usually only post on the African related subjects.

Actually it is...Its more like a toned down Stormfront. Just look at some of the post from this thread.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40815-Negroids-have-not-evolved

Even some of the mods on that site are EUrocentrics. That's one reason why I stopped going on that site.

it's a good site because there are a lot of people on it including afrocentrics or Africanists the do frontline race battle on some threads and they also have a lot of their own threads where the white supremacist types don't post on because they aren't interested in some topics. there are plenty of those

And here at Egyptsearch there is a white supremacist who comes around. there used to be two to three at a time.

But there's also Egyptsearch Reloaded
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi
which has some posters from here and it was started by somebody from here, Brada Over there they don't have white supremacists everybody is usually an Africanist of some kind.
But sometimes it gets boring over there and people come here for the boxing. I'm the current champion. The lioness has had many meals here.

Then I challenges you for your title! Almighty Lioness! [Razz] Lol.


Anyways...I personally do not think Biodiversity forum is a good site, especially if you are interested in things 'African'. If you even try to bring up anything positive about Africa then the people would jump on you.

On that site its like people do not want to hear anything about Africa, whether its genetics, history, people,etc. They are not only bias against Africans but also Indians and Asians.

Like Djehuti said, it mostly comes down to racial crap even people STILL using outdated terms such as Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. And that site is mostly suppose to be about genetics. That is one of the things that really grind my gear about Biodiversity. They should be better than that...

Most of if not all the topics on that site are about race or racial pride. I even believe some people from Stormfront post on that site.

I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.

Anyways Son of Ra will be coming for your title and he will not underestimate you. Gods>Lions. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:


I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

The have a lot of good posts there and as I said before there are a lot of good other posters who post about Africa and diaspora topics. Not every post has to be addressing Eurocentrism. Some do that and others are about Africa without worrying about what Europan people had to say about it

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Originally posted by Son of Ra:

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.


why only O.K. ?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The have a lot of good posts there and as I said before there are a lot of good other posters who post about Africa and diaspora topics. Not every post has to be addressing Eurocentrism. Some do that and others are about Africa without worrying about what Europan people had to say about it

I'm just going by what I experienced on the site. I understand you have a different opinion than mines and I understand that.


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Originally posted by the lioness,:
why only O.K. ?

Its just okay...Not that many people post on that site.
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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:

Then I challenges you for your title! Almighty Lioness! [Razz] Lol.

Anyways...I personally do not think Biodiversity forum is a good site, especially if you are interested in things 'African'. If you even try to bring up anything positive about Africa then the people would jump on you.

On that site its like people do not want to hear anything about Africa, whether its genetics, history, people,etc. They are not only bias against Africans but also Indians and Asians.

Like Djehuti said, it mostly comes down to racial crap even people STILL using outdated terms such as Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. And that site is mostly suppose to be about genetics. That is one of the things that really grind my gear about Biodiversity. They should be better than that...

Most of if not all the topics on that site are about race or racial pride. I even believe some people from Stormfront post on that site.

I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.

As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.

Anyways Son of Ra will be coming for your title and he will not underestimate you. Gods>Lions. [Smile]

My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing. [Embarrassed]

That's the reason why lyinass finds 'Biodiversity' "good". LOL

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing. [Embarrassed]

That's the reason why lyinass finds 'Biodiversity' "good". LOL [/QB]

I thought it was started by the white supremacist named Racial Reality ( I could be wrong but I think he owns it) You are saying it was good white supremacist founded site when it first came out?
anthrospcape has a wide diversity of posters and they post a lot

Nevertheless lets' look at some recent threads on the site:

Japanese and Australian Aboriginies genetic connectionhttp://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5088481/1/


http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5098790/1/
Out of Africa, only 62,000 years ago; Based on new finding of faster DNA mutation rate in humans

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5085821/1/
Who knew? Camels used to roam the Arctic, reveal scientists; (although it was 3½million years ago when it was at least 14C warmer)

A Material Case for a Late Bering Strait Crossing
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4605948/1/
Haplogroup D
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5092953/1/

Dr. Anjit Varki and His Discoveries in Human Evolution
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5095312/1/


Disproved the whole Puerto Ricans are quadroons myth.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5090130/1/

Who are the true arabs?
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5099668/1/

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But Egyptsearch reloaded is the greatest Africanist/Egyptology site ever created.

But people like Djehooties and others don't support it with more posts because they would rather dance with Faheem here and pretend they're good

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What makes you think DJ is an Africanist? YOU probably have better motives than DJ. At least you do a better job at calling it as you see it...I got to admit the way you showup some ridiculous assertions is entertaining....but then again you have your own....absurd assertions
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^ LMAO [Big Grin] Is it any wonder why I call her lyinass??

I am no more Africanist than I am Europeanist when it comes to European history and culture and the same is true with Orientalist which is my heritage. Ancient Egypt is AFRICAN. North African is AFRICAN yet all the posts made by lyinass betray her Eurocentric agenda.

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You guys crack me up with these "private definitions"
which are really just the wrong use of words for which
you don't know the actual definitions.

An Africanist is an African studies professional.

A Europeanist is a pan-Europe practicalist.

An Orientalist was a breed of European (mostly authors
and painters) who romanicized Islamic cultures of Africa,
the Arabian peninsula, and Turkey.

Orientalist and (pre-1980's) Africanists were arms of
European colonialism in the said regions.

Africanist has nothing at all to do with pro-Africa
or pro-black sentiment. Because of Africanist aid to
colonial provocateurs and post-colonial agencies like
CIA and multi-national corporations most Africans and
blacks eschew the term Africanist as counter to the
struggle.

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^^^^ that's why I used the term Africanist about certain individuals who were into African studies but had also said they were not Afrocentric

but Djehutie didn't understand the difference

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

The theory is relating to a location's distance to the equator,
the closer to the equator the darker due to higher UV sunlight.

You see a general pattern of this with some exceptions.

As in Manilius' peoples and color keywords

(proprioque colore formantur gentes)


- Germania ____ flava
- Gallia _______ rubore
- Hispania
- Romanis
- Graecia _____ coloratas subtilis

- Syriam


- Mauretania
- Afrorum
- Aegyptia ____ infuscat
- India _______ tostos
- Aethiopes ___ tenebrisque

E Q U A T O R


quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass,:

No he doesn't group

that's a lie

You're the lie! LOL He lists people from fairest to darkest among the northern nations from northernmost (Germanics) to southernmost (Syrians) then he goes to name people from darkest to lightest among the southern nations.

quote:
Of these ethnicities he does not use the same adjective consistently.
There is no such consistent pattern and no two part division.

A word for 'light' or 'white' is not even used

You inserted 'black race' and 'white race'.

My first reply above answers it. Of course he does not outright say light colored peoples and dark colored peoples but he lists two groups in different orders. Such orders correspond to the Greco-Roman world view which you are obviously totally oblivious of. Again, I suggest you read the myth of Phaeton.

quote:
such terms have societal baggage. You wanted it.

Now to save face after having done that you claim you meant it in some other way.

The simple fact is that gentes means nations and that is made clear by national names he mentions, you dumb fvck.

LOL YOU are the dumb f*ck who doesn't know a lick of Latin! [Big Grin] Gente in its literal meaning is 'race' or ethnic group and not necessarily a nation state. The word for nation in Latin is natio. Of course when Manilius uses gente there is no biological appellation since race in its original definition has such.

quote:
And the essential point is that Manilus does not combine the word gentes with another word to mean "the black gentes" and does not correspondingly combine the word gentes with a word meaning "the white gentes".
Actually in the very beginning of his second grouping when he says Aethiopes stain the world with their darkest figures imbuing the 'hominum gentes' i.e. human races. Then he goes on to Indians who are less sun burnt, then Egyptians etc.

quote:
You fvcked up. You read somebody's interpretation that this was a list of the black races and a list of the white races.
Same thing black nations and white nations only problem is that he did not put a stereotype skin color word or darkness/lightness word next to "nation"

LOL YOU been f*cked up in the brains. We all know you are too blackphobic to realize the Greeks and Romans including Manilius grouped Egyptians with other southern peoples as sunburned or BLACK.

quote:
The terms 'black' and 'white' are the most racial terms there are.
And you choose these words and you choose the word 'race' because you believe in the concept when it's convenient. When it's not convenient you say it doesn't exist.

In correct. I never said anything about a black race and a white race for there is no such thing as biological race. I merely pointed out the FACT that Manilius did group light ethnicities i.e. 'races' into one group and dark ones in another. I never said there was a biological basis to it only that he apparently made these groupings.

quote:
people who don't believe in race don't use the terms 'black', 'white' and yellow for people and they would not choose to use the word 'race' when nation could be used. You are a fraudster.
I am merely translating and interpreting what Manilius said, b|tch. Don't kill the messenger. [Embarrassed]

quote:
You choose not to use the word 'dark' in that statement because that's not enough. You need the racial term 'black',
It was the same thing to the ancient authors. 'Dark', 'sunburnt', 'black', 'toasted'. These are all synonyms if you're dumb ass didn't know.

quote:
Messed up translation
I might as well translate it myself. LOL @ "French" there was no 'France' at that time and therefore no French. The people were the Galli or Celtic inhabitants of Gaul which included France among other countries.

quote:

German
French
Spanish
Roman
Greek
Syrian
Ethiopian
Indian
Egyptian
Mauretanian


^^^^ This is exactly the order the names appear in. It's not even in graduated order from light to dark

Yes you put the two groups together but leave out the context, lyinass b|tch.

From fairest to darkest: Germanics, Galli, Hispanes, Romans, Greeks, and Syrians, THEN..
From darkest to lightest: Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians, Afori, and Mauretanians. The Syrians and Mauretanians converge in complexion around the 'Middle' i.e. Mediterranean.


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I did not invent the term....

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Africanist


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Africanist may refer to:
1. A specialist in African studies
2. A strand of African nationalism during the activism against apartheid in South Africa particularly associated with the Pan Africanist Congress
3. A literary theory developed by author and critic Toni Morrison which holds that White authors often use images of blackness and Black people to explore fears and desires which are socially unacceptable. She outlines the theory in her book Playing In the Dark

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I choose what is behind door # 2

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You are getting soft Lioness...what's going with you baby. [Big Grin]

Take a couple of days off. Play some golf. Get some...

You are losing your edgyness. Normally you don't back down from Afro-centrics.

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Door #2 is limited in time, space, and person to
apartheid era South Africa's PAC members and thus
inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion.

Lacking a hardcopy unabridged dictionary? Try
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Africanist
which lists entries from responsible publishers

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged

Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary

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quote: "inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion."

Says who....? But hey, I am not a Puritan..

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Says the lack of any apartheid era SA PAC members on ES.

Door #2 is obsolete short lived and generally unknown.

And I don't play around with definitions just to suit my fancy.

When I'm wrong I just admit it, try to learn from my mistake, and move on with a new fact for my bundle.

Least of all do I rely on a Wiki when I can access more qualified primary or secondary source materials, particularly
ones that don't remove the pan from pan-Africanist and know what the difference between pan-Africanist and Africanist.

But to each their own.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass,:

^^^^ that's why I used the term Africanist about certain individuals who were into African studies but had also said they were not Afrocentric

but Djehutie didn't understand the difference

LOL YOU don't understand anything as Tukuler pointed out. As for definitions, especially ones based on cultural trends, such change over time. 'Orientalist' is used to describe anyone not just white or Western scholars who have an affinity for Asian culture and not just the Middle East or Islamic. The same with Europeanist which is not the same as Eurocentric which is not the same as Euro-supremacist. Your lyinass fits in the latter phrases somewhere.
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up your lyinass...
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Yes, thanks for the precision that Orientalist has
evolved from the 19th century meaning and now denotes
for Asia what Africanist denotes for Africa, which
I didn't know before.

My intro to the term was from a book of paintings back
in 1979 The Orientalists with repros the likes of which
Mike111 is so fond and many others not focused on sex.

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^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?

as has been shown in the Manilius quote the definition of the period of 'black' included persons three descernable shades lighter than Ethiopians. They are described by Manilius as lighter than the medium tone of Egyptians
As shown by his inclusion of Asian Indians it is not the same as the comtemporary American defintion which is a dark skinned person of African descent in particular

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wiki:

Orientalism is a term used by art historians and literary and cultural studies scholars for the imitation or depiction of aspects of Middle Eastern, and East Asian cultures (Eastern cultures) by American and European writers, designers and artists. In particular, Orientalist painting, depicting more specifically "the Middle East", was one of the many specialisms of 19th century Academic art.

Since the publication of Edward Said's Orientalism in 1978, much academic discourse has begun to use the term "Orientalism" to refer to a general patronizing Western attitude towards Middle Eastern, Asian and North African societies. In Said's analysis, the West essentializes these societies as static and undeveloped—thereby fabricating a view of Oriental culture that can be studied, depicted, and reproduced. Implicit in this fabrication, writes Said, is the idea that Western society is developed, rational, flexible, and superior

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Tamar and Judah.

Moor derives from mauros. The former may change
definitions but the latter since Ptolemaic days
until now means black as in negro and nigger.


quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.

By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?


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'Moor' as described by Manilius is a person a little bit lighter than the "medium tone" of the Egyptians

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Ramesses II Relief Brooklyn Museum

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Goold adds words that aren't there and leaves out
words that are there in lines 725 - 727. Try lining
up his translation as is mine and see for yourself.

Looking at the Latin and keeping to its punctuation
Egyptians have bodies of graduating darkness like the
Nile irrigates the fields.

My interpretation of that is just as inundation moves
from south to north darkening the fields so Egyptian
colour is darkest in the south gradually getting less dark
heading toward the delta. (Of course the silt is darkest
next to the Nile and less dark as the field stretches away
from the Nile but the river moved the silt up from Abyssinia.)

Once at the delta the middle zone (Mediterranean)
is reached. It's this middle which moderates tones.


code:
tellusque   natans     Aegyptia  Nilo   lenius    irriguis    infuscat   corpora   campis
the earth inundate Egypt Nile gradual irrigated darkens bodies field

Egypt's Nile inundates the earth, darkens bodies in grades, like the irrigated field


code:
iam   propior   mediumque    facit     moderata               tenorem.
now nearer the middle produce observing moderate tenor

now nearer the middle which produces a tone observing moderation.


After now at the middle --delta Egypt on the Mediterranean--
Manilius goes on to Afrorum and Mauretania which both
have Mediterranean borders.

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^ Correct. Your explanation makes the most sense. Note too that the Aforum and Maure who inhabit the Maghreb are at a higher latitude than even the Egyptian delta (the Maghreb is closer to Europe than Egypt).

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'Moor' as described by Manilius is a person a little bit lighter than the "medium tone" of the Egyptians

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Ramesses II Relief Brooklyn Museum

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LOL @ her cherry-picked pictures.

Better pictures of Tut.

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More images of Ramses II (the Great).

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The lioness and others,i don't mean to change the subject but what do you think of these two videos.

This one i just seen.
Jesus was not black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE6G4C1C-rU


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This i seen awhile ago,in fact i watch the whole show.

Does this Reconstructed image looks black to you?or a intermediate phenotype that could go either way,black or white? or some type of mixed white type or a white that looks like they have admixture from blacks?

Look at the image and see for yourself.


The Face of Jesus: Reconstructed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilh8QkjpCh8

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^^^make a new thread
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I will stick with this one,but what is your view?oh and i edited my post,so look again.
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Face of Jesus - forensic science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8nUr5Lv7-Y

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