I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.
The have a lot of good posts there and as I said before there are a lot of good other posters who post about Africa and diaspora topics. Not every post has to be addressing Eurocentrism. Some do that and others are about Africa without worrying about what Europan people had to say about it
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As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.
why only O.K. ?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The have a lot of good posts there and as I said before there are a lot of good other posters who post about Africa and diaspora topics. Not every post has to be addressing Eurocentrism. Some do that and others are about Africa without worrying about what Europan people had to say about it
I'm just going by what I experienced on the site. I understand you have a different opinion than mines and I understand that.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: why only O.K. ?
Its just okay...Not that many people post on that site.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Then I challenges you for your title! Almighty Lioness! Lol.
Anyways...I personally do not think Biodiversity forum is a good site, especially if you are interested in things 'African'. If you even try to bring up anything positive about Africa then the people would jump on you.
On that site its like people do not want to hear anything about Africa, whether its genetics, history, people,etc. They are not only bias against Africans but also Indians and Asians.
Like Djehuti said, it mostly comes down to racial crap even people STILL using outdated terms such as Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. And that site is mostly suppose to be about genetics. That is one of the things that really grind my gear about Biodiversity. They should be better than that...
Most of if not all the topics on that site are about race or racial pride. I even believe some people from Stormfront post on that site.
I know their are some people from Egyptsearch on post on their like beyoku, Game Theory and Doc Scientia. I am not trying to disrespect these guys, they are smart guys smarter than me. But...I don't really see them really trying to attack and destroy all the Eurocentric arguments on the site or any of the people who defend Africa. It seems they don't try their best to educate the people on Biodiversity. Again not trying to disrespect them.
As for Egyptsearch reloaded, that's an okay site.
Anyways Son of Ra will be coming for your title and he will not underestimate you. Gods>Lions.
My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: My point precisely! When Biodiversity first came out, it was truly about real bio-anthropology. Now the only 'diversity' you read about in that forum is the 'Caucasoid' race any other info about Asians and especially about Africans is treated with disdain. It is nothing more than a self-glorified 'Stormfront' in bad sheep's clothing.
That's the reason why lyinass finds 'Biodiversity' "good". LOL [/QB]
I thought it was started by the white supremacist named Racial Reality ( I could be wrong but I think he owns it) You are saying it was good white supremacist founded site when it first came out? anthrospcape has a wide diversity of posters and they post a lot
Nevertheless lets' look at some recent threads on the site:
Japanese and Australian Aboriginies genetic connectionhttp://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5088481/1/
But Egyptsearch reloaded is the greatest Africanist/Egyptology site ever created.
But people like Djehooties and others don't support it with more posts because they would rather dance with Faheem here and pretend they're good
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What makes you think DJ is an Africanist? YOU probably have better motives than DJ. At least you do a better job at calling it as you see it...I got to admit the way you showup some ridiculous assertions is entertaining....but then again you have your own....absurd assertions
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^ LMAO Is it any wonder why I call her lyinass??
I am no more Africanist than I am Europeanist when it comes to European history and culture and the same is true with Orientalist which is my heritage. Ancient Egypt is AFRICAN. North African is AFRICAN yet all the posts made by lyinass betray her Eurocentric agenda.
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You guys crack me up with these "private definitions" which are really just the wrong use of words for which you don't know the actual definitions.
An Africanist is an African studies professional.
A Europeanist is a pan-Europe practicalist.
An Orientalist was a breed of European (mostly authors and painters) who romanicized Islamic cultures of Africa, the Arabian peninsula, and Turkey.
Orientalist and (pre-1980's) Africanists were arms of European colonialism in the said regions.
Africanist has nothing at all to do with pro-Africa or pro-black sentiment. Because of Africanist aid to colonial provocateurs and post-colonial agencies like CIA and multi-national corporations most Africans and blacks eschew the term Africanist as counter to the struggle.
You're the lie! LOL He lists people from fairest to darkest among the northern nations from northernmost (Germanics) to southernmost (Syrians) then he goes to name people from darkest to lightest among the southern nations.
quote:Of these ethnicities he does not use the same adjective consistently. There is no such consistent pattern and no two part division.
A word for 'light' or 'white' is not even used
You inserted 'black race' and 'white race'.
My first reply above answers it. Of course he does not outright say light colored peoples and dark colored peoples but he lists two groups in different orders. Such orders correspond to the Greco-Roman world view which you are obviously totally oblivious of. Again, I suggest you read the myth of Phaeton.
quote:such terms have societal baggage. You wanted it.
Now to save face after having done that you claim you meant it in some other way.
The simple fact is that gentes means nations and that is made clear by national names he mentions, you dumb fvck.
LOL YOU are the dumb f*ck who doesn't know a lick of Latin! Gente in its literal meaning is 'race' or ethnic group and not necessarily a nation state. The word for nation in Latin is natio. Of course when Manilius uses gente there is no biological appellation since race in its original definition has such.
quote:And the essential point is that Manilus does not combine the word gentes with another word to mean "the black gentes" and does not correspondingly combine the word gentes with a word meaning "the white gentes".
Actually in the very beginning of his second grouping when he says Aethiopes stain the world with their darkest figures imbuing the 'hominum gentes' i.e. human races. Then he goes on to Indians who are less sun burnt, then Egyptians etc.
quote:You fvcked up. You read somebody's interpretation that this was a list of the black races and a list of the white races. Same thing black nations and white nations only problem is that he did not put a stereotype skin color word or darkness/lightness word next to "nation"
LOL YOU been f*cked up in the brains. We all know you are too blackphobic to realize the Greeks and Romans including Manilius grouped Egyptians with other southern peoples as sunburned or BLACK.
quote:The terms 'black' and 'white' are the most racial terms there are. And you choose these words and you choose the word 'race' because you believe in the concept when it's convenient. When it's not convenient you say it doesn't exist.
In correct. I never said anything about a black race and a white race for there is no such thing as biological race. I merely pointed out the FACT that Manilius did group light ethnicities i.e. 'races' into one group and dark ones in another. I never said there was a biological basis to it only that he apparently made these groupings.
quote:people who don't believe in race don't use the terms 'black', 'white' and yellow for people and they would not choose to use the word 'race' when nation could be used. You are a fraudster.
I am merely translating and interpreting what Manilius said, b|tch. Don't kill the messenger.
quote:You choose not to use the word 'dark' in that statement because that's not enough. You need the racial term 'black',
It was the same thing to the ancient authors. 'Dark', 'sunburnt', 'black', 'toasted'. These are all synonyms if you're dumb ass didn't know.
quote:Messed up translation
I might as well translate it myself. LOL @ "French" there was no 'France' at that time and therefore no French. The people were the Galli or Celtic inhabitants of Gaul which included France among other countries.
quote: German French Spanish Roman Greek Syrian Ethiopian Indian Egyptian Mauretanian
^^^^ This is exactly the order the names appear in. It's not even in graduated order from light to dark
Africanist may refer to: 1. A specialist in African studies 2. A strand of African nationalism during the activism against apartheid in South Africa particularly associated with the Pan Africanist Congress 3. A literary theory developed by author and critic Toni Morrison which holds that White authors often use images of blackness and Black people to explore fears and desires which are socially unacceptable. She outlines the theory in her book Playing In the Dark
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I choose what is behind door # 2
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You are getting soft Lioness...what's going with you baby.
Take a couple of days off. Play some golf. Get some...
You are losing your edgyness. Normally you don't back down from Afro-centrics.
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Door #2 is limited in time, space, and person to apartheid era South Africa's PAC members and thus inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary
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quote: "inapplicable to the general tenor of ES discussion."
Says who....? But hey, I am not a Puritan..
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Says the lack of any apartheid era SA PAC members on ES.
Door #2 is obsolete short lived and generally unknown.
And I don't play around with definitions just to suit my fancy.
When I'm wrong I just admit it, try to learn from my mistake, and move on with a new fact for my bundle.
Least of all do I rely on a Wiki when I can access more qualified primary or secondary source materials, particularly ones that don't remove the pan from pan-Africanist and know what the difference between pan-Africanist and Africanist.
But to each their own.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass,: ^^^^ that's why I used the term Africanist about certain individuals who were into African studies but had also said they were not Afrocentric
but Djehutie didn't understand the difference
LOL YOU don't understand anything as Tukuler pointed out. As for definitions, especially ones based on cultural trends, such change over time. 'Orientalist' is used to describe anyone not just white or Western scholars who have an affinity for Asian culture and not just the Middle East or Islamic. The same with Europeanist which is not the same as Eurocentric which is not the same as Euro-supremacist. Your lyinass fits in the latter phrases somewhere.
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up your lyinass...
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Yes, thanks for the precision that Orientalist has evolved from the 19th century meaning and now denotes for Asia what Africanist denotes for Africa, which I didn't know before.
My intro to the term was from a book of paintings back in 1979 The Orientalists with repros the likes of which Mike111 is so fond and many others not focused on sex.
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^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.
By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.
By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?
as has been shown in the Manilius quote the definition of the period of 'black' included persons three descernable shades lighter than Ethiopians. They are described by Manilius as lighter than the medium tone of Egyptians As shown by his inclusion of Asian Indians it is not the same as the comtemporary American defintion which is a dark skinned person of African descent in particular
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Orientalism is a term used by art historians and literary and cultural studies scholars for the imitation or depiction of aspects of Middle Eastern, and East Asian cultures (Eastern cultures) by American and European writers, designers and artists. In particular, Orientalist painting, depicting more specifically "the Middle East", was one of the many specialisms of 19th century Academic art.
Since the publication of Edward Said's Orientalism in 1978, much academic discourse has begun to use the term "Orientalism" to refer to a general patronizing Western attitude towards Middle Eastern, Asian and North African societies. In Said's analysis, the West essentializes these societies as static and undeveloped—thereby fabricating a view of Oriental culture that can be studied, depicted, and reproduced. Implicit in this fabrication, writes Said, is the idea that Western society is developed, rational, flexible, and superior
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Tamar and Judah.
Moor derives from mauros. The former may change definitions but the latter since Ptolemaic days until now means black as in negro and nigger.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, it is such evolution of terminology in which the word 'moor' which once meant black regardless of creed now means North African regardless of color.
By the way who's the dark/black guy in the painting above?
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Goold adds words that aren't there and leaves out words that are there in lines 725 - 727. Try lining up his translation as is mine and see for yourself.
Looking at the Latin and keeping to its punctuation Egyptians have bodies of graduating darkness like the Nile irrigates the fields.
My interpretation of that is just as inundation moves from south to north darkening the fields so Egyptian colour is darkest in the south gradually getting less dark heading toward the delta. (Of course the silt is darkest next to the Nile and less dark as the field stretches away from the Nile but the river moved the silt up from Abyssinia.)
Once at the delta the middle zone (Mediterranean) is reached. It's this middle which moderates tones.
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tellusque natans Aegyptia Nilo lenius irriguis infuscat corpora campis the earth inundate Egypt Nile gradual irrigated darkens bodies field
Egypt's Nile inundates the earth, darkens bodies in grades, like the irrigated field
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iam propior mediumque facit moderata tenorem. now nearer the middle produce observing moderate tenor
now nearer the middle which produces a tone observing moderation.
After now at the middle --delta Egypt on the Mediterranean-- Manilius goes on to Afrorum and Mauretania which both have Mediterranean borders.
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^ Correct. Your explanation makes the most sense. Note too that the Aforum and Maure who inhabit the Maghreb are at a higher latitude than even the Egyptian delta (the Maghreb is closer to Europe than Egypt).
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass,: 'Moor' as described by Manilius is a person a little bit lighter than the "medium tone" of the Egyptians
Ramesses II Relief Brooklyn Museum
LOL @ her cherry-picked pictures.
Better pictures of Tut.
More images of Ramses II (the Great).
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This i seen awhile ago,in fact i watch the whole show.
Does this Reconstructed image looks black to you?or a intermediate phenotype that could go either way,black or white? or some type of mixed white type or a white that looks like they have admixture from blacks?
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I will stick with this one,but what is your view?oh and i edited my post,so look again.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ She only does so because of human origins in Africa but unfortunately when it comes to Egypt she still holds some 'traditional' bias.
Even independent scholar and 'feminist' historian Max Dashu could be called 'Afrocentric' for acknowledging the truth.:
quote:Maxine Hammond Dashu (born 1950), known professionally as Max Dashu, is an American feminist historian, author, and artist. Her areas of expertise include female iconography, mother-right cultures and the origins of patriarchy. She identifies as a lesbian.
In 1970, Dashu founded the Suppressed Histories Archives to research and document women's history and to make the full spectrum of women's history and culture visible and accessible. The collection includes 15,000 slides and 30,000 digital images. Since the early 1970s, Dashu has delivered visual presentations on women's history throughout North America, Europe and Australia.
Dashu is the author of Witches and Pagans: Women in European Folk Religion, 700–1100 (2016), the first volume of a planned 16-volume series called Secret History of the Witches.
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