quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: I agree with the argument that editing Wikipedia is a tiresome exercise in futility.
I wouldn't say it's an exercise in futility. You just need to be patient and have multiple reliable sources with enough notability (for weight). You have to make reliable and notable sources your best friends. Then, armed with those reliable and notable sources, it's just about being bold in general and patient with the conflict resolution if there is.
Frankly I'm not sure what people on this forum want to include (or remove) in the wikipedia Ancient Egyptian page for example? That's actually a good question.
quote: That said, I am ambivalent over whether creating an alternate webpage is the answer. Sure, providing the public with accurate information is our duty. On the other hand, as long as "Afrocentrism" is viewed as a fringe ideology, any website that could be construed as endorsing it will be dismissed out of hand.
Afrocentrism is a fringe ideology. It's completely reactionary to the alleged eurocentrism and racism prevalent before which is evident in many things written before the 60s and often beyond too up to now.
quote: I would advocate infiltrating mainstream academia if we want to bring about real change. I don't mean Black Studies or anything stereotypically associated with Afro-Diasporan culture, I mean mainstream anthropology or history circles that won't be written off as "Afrocentric". That's the reason I majored in Bio-Anthropology at UCSD in the first place.
That's definitely great. The idea is not to prove afrocentrics right or wrong but researching and spreading the truth. Both for the outside world and ourselves.
quote: A couple of days ago I submitted a paper on Egypt's African origins to an undergraduate history journal run by the University of Peninsula. Haven't heard back from them yet, but I'm hoping that if they do consider it, I'd have taken a small step in advancing our cause.
Nicely done.
Also, african universities and academics should do more research. The main problem is always the problem of funding but it should be one of the priority. It doesn't require that much money for many works and research in history, linguistics and archaeology. Many research undertaking in Africa are done in collaboration with local university and American/European ones. Which is a good thing imo.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: [qb] Credit actually goes to beyoku for presenting this to everyone. And also credit to Firewall for actually PMing me this in the first place.
Anyways...This is really interesting and the fight for an African Ancient Egypt is starting to come to a close..
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pulled from where the sun don't shine......
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If you knew the information was sitting on a computer...but you didn't have access to the computer, how would you get it?
Like the 30 page piss tape dossier on Trump, people question its legitimacy. Slowly other evidence sheds some light on how true or false the data is.
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did YOU see the data? Or the your hear about it from "someone"?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: did YOU see the data? Or the your hear about it from "someone"?
Read what I wrote. Yall want to know where the data came from. If you knew it was on a computer, but didnt have access to the computer how COULD you get the data?
I am going to leave it at that.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: [QB] Credit actually goes to beyoku for presenting this to everyone. And also credit to Firewall for actually PMing me this in the first place.
Anyways...This is really interesting and the fight for an African Ancient Egypt is starting to come to a close..
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: I think it's safe to say we should stop inquiring about this...
Really? I could argue the opposite trend. That this "leak" is more interesting/relevant now than it has ever been. ...why do you feel the way you feel?
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: I think it's safe to say we should stop inquiring about this...
Really? I could argue the opposite trend. That this "leak" is more interesting/relevant now than it has ever been. ...why do you feel the way you feel?
The "leak" hasn't been verified for accuracy and this thread started forever ago. Someone just lock this thread already.
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@Elite Diasporan, We discovered a Potential Nile Valley descendant, with a curious autosomal profile potentially bridging east Africans with Earlier Near Eastern populations belonging to L2a1. A random sample of somewhat royal blood revealed M1a and suggests it was more commonplace in relation to the diverse mtDNA profile of the Abusir mummies who, regardless of who they are, represents an increase of "non native" ancestry in the region. It's been recently confirmed E-M2 has an ancient history in Egypt, signified by basal haplogroups and unique clades. A-M13 as well as L3 is a no brainer for Nile valley expansion from Sudan, and the aforementioned study puts a rough timeline on the paternal dispersal.... I'm also feeling that the Old kingdom individual (R-M173 x L2 is V88. and R0a has an interesting North African, Great lakes Distribution further highlighted by this recent study.
Now if Beyoku wasnt lying in his explanation about how whosoever came across this list, I cannot ignore this or brush it aside as I once have or even suggested... It's becoming more and more relevant and or believable.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: I think it's safe to say we should stop inquiring about this...
Really? I could argue the opposite trend. That this "leak" is more interesting/relevant now than it has ever been. ...why do you feel the way you feel?
The "leak" hasn't been verified for accuracy and this thread started forever ago. Someone just lock this thread already.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Still waiting......
quote:Originally posted by Oshun: I think it's safe to say we should stop inquiring about this...
Really? I could argue the opposite trend. That this "leak" is more interesting/relevant now than it has ever been. ...why do you feel the way you feel?
The "leak" hasn't been verified for accuracy and this thread started forever ago. Someone just lock this thread already.
Wait, who's supposed to verify it for accuracy?
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peer review when you publish your awesome ancient dna results in a good journal?
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I would think that this is the only aDna/DNA "leak" ever posted if I didn't know better....
...I should open a comprehensive R1b1a thread to commemorate the awesome king tut results, after closing this thread for being so unbelievable. XD
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quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: @Elite Diasporan, We discovered a Potential Nile Valley descendant, with a curious autosomal profile potentially bridging east Africans with Earlier Near Eastern populations belonging to L2a1. A random sample of somewhat royal blood revealed M1a and suggests it was more commonplace in relation to the diverse mtDNA profile of the Abusir mummies who, regardless of who they are, represents an increase of "non native" ancestry in the region. It's been recently confirmed E-M2 has an ancient history in Egypt, signified by basal haplogroups and unique clades. A-M13 as well as L3 is a no brainer for Nile valley expansion from Sudan, and the aforementioned study puts a rough timeline on the paternal dispersal.... I'm also feeling that the Old kingdom individual (R-M173 x L2 is V88. and R0a has an interesting North African, Great lakes Distribution further highlighted by this recent study.
Now if Beyoku wasnt lying in his explanation about how whosoever came across this list, I cannot ignore this or brush it aside as I once have or even suggested... It's becoming more and more relevant and or believable.
Okay, NOW I SEE where you are getting at. Like I said the Abusir study really was a short victory for them.
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i think the Y STR haplotype of Ramses III was actually published wasn't it? at least i've seen it. other than that has anything ever come out of Egypt? they seem determined to just fart around and not get anyone with serious resources involved.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: I think it's safe to say we should stop inquiring about this...
Really? I could argue the opposite trend. That this "leak" is more interesting/relevant now than it has ever been. ...why do you feel the way you feel?
The "leak" hasn't been verified for accuracy and this thread started forever ago. Someone just lock this thread already.
Wait, who's supposed to verify it for accuracy?
All I'm saying is that we can't really use this to say anything. I'm sure if an update were available Beyoku would've spoken by now...
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I don’t know if this data will ever be published.
I don’t know how complete this stuff even is.
There is older abstracts that have sat for ages without being revealed. Look how old the publication on the Two brothers is. Look how old the Dakhlah Oasis data that just got a singleton mtdna result publishes. Look at the king tut Book that said his mtdna would be published. Even had correspondence with an author that said it would be published “By the end of the year”....that was like 3-4 years ago. Look at Spencer Wells who collected data from the Tibbou in Chad in the late 90’s.....just got recently published last year or so. I could go on but the idea of folk sitting on data ain’t new.
The data as it is....follows no known narrative I would have been trying to push or anything that ES has been trying to push. It’s totally out of wack IMO......similar to Natufian, PPNB and Bronze age Levantine ancient Y-DNA.
The only thing I can do is sit back and evaluate it with other data as it’s released. I gave a long “interview” with 42Tribes and went into the background of the data. It’s on YouTube.
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You guys seriously think beyoku of all people would pull an Ausar? While I do not know HOW he obtained these lineages, what I DO KNOW is that people of the mainstream HAVE been holding out on data and have been sitting on mountains of data for YEARS.
I remember I posted that Letter from Cairo about King Ramses II and a certain poster here came at me hard not believing me. But the Letter was from a Egyptian govt site but it was said to have been removed. Things like this...
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OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
The data as it is....follows no known narrative I would have been trying to push or anything that ES has been trying to push. It’s totally out of wack IMO......similar to Natufian, PPNB and Bronze age Levantine ancient Y-DNA.
You can't be serious Unlike the Abusir-el Meleq the mtDNA the above is dominated heavily by L groups And of YDNA Dominated heavily by E groups and secondarily A, B
What were the circumstances of you seeing this without naming names?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Still waiting......
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I doubt he's gonna say anything. He would've said more if he could by now. Now about the link..Looks like it was redirected to another thread or something...
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
The data as it is....follows no known narrative I would have been trying to push or anything that ES has been trying to push. It’s totally out of wack IMO......similar to Natufian, PPNB and Bronze age Levantine ancient Y-DNA.
You can't be serious Unlike the Abusir-el Meleq the mtDNA the above is dominated heavily by L groups And of YDNA Dominated heavily by E groups and secondarily A, B
What were the circumstances of you seeing this without naming names?
Normally I wouldnt answer you but..... They were mostly African lineages...This is true and very good criticism. Didnt think of it this way. I guess myself or ES WOULD push a mostly African narrative for AE......a concept so simple I didnt even consider it. I didnt consider it because I never analyzed the group of lineages from a Eurocentric point of view. With that said.....from the African point of view, the combination of lineages dont tell any story that we have tried to push in the past. The trail of people leading back to the data dont even know what they were looking at and if they did they are not familiar with ES....nor familiar with My web presence.
I personally dont think I have been "Duped" because they would have to know me to dupe me. Notice how the data doesn't really lead down any specific bio-historical path. IMO They would have to be somewhat of a Psychological operations genius with a knowledge of African Genetics that left people running in circles for years. I am NOT THAT right NOW....let alone years ago when a birdie dropped the message.
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OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
The trail of people leading back to the data dont even know what they were looking at and if they did they are not familiar with ES....nor familiar with My web presence.
I personally dont think I have been "Duped" because they would have to know me to dupe me. Notice how the data doesn't really lead down any specific bio-historical path.
This data points to a specific bio-historical origin, that the ancient Egyptians were primarily African in both their paternal and maternal genetic ancestry.
Even the R-M173 L2, even this Hg, particularly if analyzed prior to 2010 might today be identified as V88, at high frequency in modern Egyptian Siwas
quote:Originally posted by beyoku:
The trail of people leading back to the data
years ago when a birdie dropped the message.
please see if you can answer any of these questions ...
1) what is the date of the data itself? when were the samples analyzed 2013, 2012 ?
2) you say a trail of people. How long was the trial? How many people were there between you and primary research?
3) how did you find out that these remains were being analyzed?
4) have you approached the source in any way and asked if they ever intend to release the data or recommend they release this data? (maybe even someone else could support that financially
5) I read a comment that said this research was conducted in Egypt, true?
6) if you think the the source of this is purposely suppressing the data have you ever thought of anonymously outing them?
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The trail of people leading..........Notice how the data doesn't really lead down any specific bio-historical path.
This data points to a specific bio-historical origin, that the ancient Egyptians were primarily African in both their paternal and maternal genetic ancestry.
Even the R-M173 L2, even this Hg, particularly if analyzed prior to 2010 might today be identified as V88, at high frequency in modern Egyptian Siwas
quote:Originally posted by beyoku:
The trail of people leading back to the data
years ago when a birdie dropped the message.
please see if you can answer any of these questions ...
1) what is the date of the data itself? when were the samples analyzed 2013, 2012 ?
2) you say a trail of people. How long was the trial? How many people were there between you and primary research?
3) how did you find out that these remains were being analyzed?
4) have you approached the source in any way and asked if they ever intend to release the data or recommend they release this data? (maybe even someone else could support that financially
5) I read a comment that said this research was conducted in Egypt, true?
6) if you think the the source of this is purposely suppressing the data have you ever thought of anonymously outing them?
I am not going to fully address your idiocy. "They were Black" or "They were primary African" is not a SPECIFIC Bio Historical Narrative. If you spent your time here reading instead of Trolling you would understand how this Uni-parental profile isn't specific. As to your questions....listen to the 3 hour interview. What you see is what you get. One day...if something close to what I have is ever released I will give the full breakdown of what went down...and how it went down. Until then.....Nah.
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my 2 cents? He was duped! That's what happens to wannabes. Stand your ground man and don't suck up to these people. They are feeding you shyte.
Take the Abusir results as an example. Analyze THEIR data independently. Ignore their conclusions. It is filled with lies.
As you can see for the Abusir the brown component is the elephant in the room. The red component is a distraction. Added to that look at the unipraental markers for the Abusir ...all African. So your source may be right, your list may be accurate but until it is published...ignore it.
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So that was your motive for bumping this to thread? To hop to another topic to continue your p!$$!*** contest with Beyoku after you were told to stop?
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I always teach my kids "lessons of life". This is a teaching moment. The thread is related because this is diametrically opposite to Abusir.
And I don't get into a pissing contest with juniors. "I debate my equals all others I teach" - John H Clark.
If AstenB had pointed out the elephant in the room I would consider him an equal, instead he focused on the red component arguing with me that the red was SSA when it was not. That shows me he is just a parrot, and incapable of true reasoning and deep thinking....like you.
BTW no one tells me to stop anything. I am my own man. Always have and always will. Call me Kilmonger. I take what is mine.
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you are being petty like a drama queen, if HE knows the data is legit, this is not going to change his views at all. If he can't talk about the data but believes it's source he's going to walk out of this exactly as he had walked in. Now the rest of us may not be able to see it, so at most this is just ego flexing for display. There was NOTHING new on your part to add, he's said he's not saying anything more. Beyond being petty WHAT is there left to do here? Lock please.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
BTW no one tells me to stop anything. I am my own man. Always have and always will. Call me Kilmonger. I take what is mine.
So you're saying you're above the mods who told you to can it? Girlfriend go get a livejournal.
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