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I'm assuming everyone is doing this right now, as we speak. I'm talking about sharing scientific info privately via ES's PM function. I'm currently sort of unofficially doing this with Beyoku, Truth-centric and some other posters, mostly through private messages, e-mail and Facebook, but I want to give others access to these private conversations, and allow them to chime in. There is this old closed off space on Facebook that I plan to use as a place where ES's most generous and sharing posters can upload and share interesting papers amongst each other. I want this to eventually turn into a database where we can keep ourselves updated on the latest bits of information, but also, where we'll have quick access to research in case we can't find a particular paper or in case our HD crashes.
Note: I don't plan this to be a 2nd Egyptsearch, although I do see myself increasingly using this private group in the near future, and spending less time on ES. I want this to primarily be about sharing the latest papers and us all profiting from each other's serendipity and search engine skills. I have about 30 papers floating around that I'm pretty sure most ES people haven't read yet.
Remember, this is a private group. No one who isn't given access can access this group. If you already own a Facebook account but prefer to not use your personal info in this Facebook group, you can make your participation in this group as private as you want to. Just create a dummy account or restrict our Facebook account access. Note: Truthcentric, Beyoku, you guys are already in this Facebook group with your name and images out so if you want to make changes, now is the time to do so. Jari, Sundiata, Calabooz, and Ausar, you guys are already in this Facebook group, just use your login info.
--No trolls, sorry --No assholes, sorry --Reputable ES members, yes!
Main benefits:
--Everyone is a moderator and can invite reputable people --Be kept in the loop about the latest interesting papers --Quick access to uploaded papers when you're not home or can't seem to find a pdf --Put up requests for papers once we have people on the team with journal access --Instant messaging function
Who is in?
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LOL, the Funny part is I forgot about the group and I create it..damn. Its been a long time. Anyway I want to post some stuff in there as well, to preserve it.
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Cool everyone. Just send me your Facebook accounts via ES's PM function, and I'll add you to the private group. Like Brada does for ES Reloaded, I'll use this thread to post updates on the papers that have been uploaded, every once in a while.
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alTakruri. I tried PMming you back but your inbox is full so I'll copy my reply here:
quote:Good to have you. I've tried adding you but Facebook doesn't auto suggest your profile when I type your name. This is probably because your account is still new and not indexed yet. I'll try again every every so often and let you know when you're in.
Hopefully, FB's PM function will also help out in terms of providing a more modern alternative to this ancient inbox restriction.
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Haven't posted on this website in ages, but I still lurk from time to time. The website has really fallen off from the old days, so I've moved on. However I'd like to keep in touch with some of the more serious members on the website. Older members can vouch for me lol.
Is Dana in the group? I still read her material from Golden Age of the Moor lol.
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Facebook still doesn't auto-suggest your names guys, and when I type out your account names Facebook wipes it off the entry field. It's either auto-suggest or its nothing per Facebook.
I've tried making the Facebook group reachable to outsiders by making use of Facebook's group address feature, which allows others to click their way to the group, but when I tested it via a friend's account, who is not in this group, the hidden nature of this group overruled this feature; it says the link is broken (which it isn't). I've also tried to reach this group on my friends account by using Facebook's search engine, but the result is the same; the group doesn't show up to outsiders.
I could remove this group's stealth configuration, but that defeats the purpose of this group only including the most contributive and non-dogmatic netizens in the first place. The other group, which is open to this day, kept receiving invitation requests from people who aren't the most contributive bunch (not that that's a problem for open fora, of course). I also can't keep going back and forth between hidden and public status every time someone wants in.
Luckily, there is a workaround. Facebook allows group members to invite others via e-mail. Please PM your email to receive an invitation. I've tested it and it works. You should immediately receive an invitation request with a link to our Facebook group. TP, Djehuti, and a couple of others whom I've already emailed with in the past will shortly receive an invitation.
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There really aren't many forums like this one with so much knowledge about population genetics and African History. I still do independent research though.
quote:Facebook still doesn't auto-suggest your names guys, and when I type out your account names Facebook wipes it off the entry field. It's either auto-suggest or its nothing per Facebook.
I've tried making the Facebook group reachable to outsiders by making use of Facebook's group address feature, which allows others to click their way to the group, but when I tested it via a friend's account, who is not in this group, the hidden nature of this group overruled this feature; it says the link is broken (which it isn't). I've also tried to reach this group on my friends account by using Facebook's search engine, but the result is the same; the group doesn't show up to outsiders.
I could remove this group's stealth configuration, but that defeats the purpose of this group only including the most contributive and non-dogmatic netizens in the first place. The other group, which is open to this day, kept receiving invitation requests from people who aren't the most contributive bunch (not that that's a problem for open fora, of course). I also can't keep going back and forth between hidden and public status every time someone wants in.
Luckily, there is a workaround. Facebook allows group members to invite others via e-mail. Please PM your email to receive an invitation. I've tested it and it works. You should immediately receive an invitation request with a link to our Facebook group. TP, Djehuti, and a couple of others whom I've already emailed with in the past will shortly receive an invitation.
I have to create a dummy profile first, but ok.
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Quote; "but when I tested it via a friend's account,"
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Just uploaded two very interesting papers a couple of days ago, which documents affinity between Ancient Egyptians, Khoisan and other Africans in a certain cultural artefact.
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^^^Oh sh*t...Thats seems interesting. About to create an FB account and then PM you.
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Just uploaded two papers a couple of days ago which show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India. I'm about to upload another one tonight, which involves royal Egyptians remains. This one is especially interesting for you Egyptology folks. There is also some physical anthropology stuff in it.
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Note: Facebook has a file upload restriction of 25mb, so in some cases-like when I'll upload a full eBook-I'll have to use an external file upload service. The one I have experience with is Fileconvey. They're free, but they do have time constraints. The maximum amount of time I can stretch their time constraint is 7 days, after that, the file will get taken off. Since the Egyptian royal eBook I mentioned above is 25+mb, I'll use this service to upload this eBook.
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"show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India".
Is that the Abdul et al paper?
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Just uploaded two papers a couple of days ago which show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India. I'm about to upload another one tonight, which involves royal Egyptians remains. This one is especially interesting for you Egyptology folks. There is also some physical anthropology stuff in it.
If you want to you could you could put up the abstract and a few excerpts here. I don't think there are infringement issues if you don't copy too much of a particular article
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Just posted another big paper of the utmost importance for those who want to be kept up to speed with the developments in this area, today in the Facebook group. Beyoku, Truth, Jari, Son of Ra and other FB members, make sure you read it.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Just uploaded two papers a couple of days ago which show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India. I'm about to upload another one tonight, which involves royal Egyptians remains. This one is especially interesting for you Egyptology folks. There is also some physical anthropology stuff in it.
If you want to you could you could put up the abstract and a few excerpts here. I don't think there are infringement issues if you don't copy too much of a particular article
No can do. It's not about copyright infringement. It's about giving the group a chance to grow by having its own unique content. Posting the material here would mean making the Facebook group obsolete. Besides, I'm not interested in being Sammy's blogger. Putting pennies in his pocket with the traffic this sort of stuff generates, while my threads are potentially getting bombarded with spam and/or deliberately wiped off the earth's surface a couple of weeks from now. No way, Jose.
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What do you thing Lioness? What is she up to? No one here holds information close to their chest.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Just uploaded two papers a couple of days ago which show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India. I'm about to upload another one tonight, which involves royal Egyptians remains. This one is especially interesting for you Egyptology folks. There is also some physical anthropology stuff in it.
If you want to you could you could put up the abstract and a few excerpts here. I don't think there are infringement issues if you don't copy too much of a particular article
No can do. It's not about copyright infringement. It's about giving the group a chance to grow by having its own unique content. Posting the material here would mean making the Facebook group obsolete. Besides, I'm not interested in being Sammy's blogger. Putting pennies in his pocket with the traffic this sort of stuff generates, while my threads are potentially getting bombarded with spam and/or deliberately wiped off the earth's surface a couple of weeks from now. No way, Jose.
I understand your position. They are collectiong money off the ads yet care very little about the condition of the forums. There is a set of rules, yet no consequences to violating the rules. ESR seems like the logical alternative
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Just uploaded two papers a couple of days ago which show irrefutable presence of Sub-Saharan Africans in India. I'm about to upload another one tonight, which involves royal Egyptians remains. This one is especially interesting for you Egyptology folks. There is also some physical anthropology stuff in it.
If you want to you could you could put up the abstract and a few excerpts here. I don't think there are infringement issues if you don't copy too much of a particular article
No can do. It's not about copyright infringement. It's about giving the group a chance to grow by having its own unique content. Posting the material here would mean making the Facebook group obsolete. Besides, I'm not interested in being Sammy's blogger. Putting pennies in his pocket with the traffic this sort of stuff generates, while my threads are potentially getting bombarded with spam and/or deliberately wiped off the earth's surface a couple of weeks from now. No way, Jose.
I understand your position. They are collectiong money off the ads yet care very little about the condition of the forums. There is a set of rules, yet no consequences to violating the rules. ESR seems like the logical alternative
Well, I didn't see that much ad on this site, but everybody can do what they want. Hoping people can post relevant studies in here or somewhere else I know like ESR, where we can analyze and discuss those studies. Not as a secluded group of people but as an open internet group where everybody interested in Ancient Egypt can discuss the latest studies and other aspects related to that ancient civilization.
Making the facebook account a repository of relevant studies is a good thing, but it shouldn't be a place where studies are kept secret from the public imo. All the contrary. But again, everybody is free to do what they want.
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It's not about it being secluded, just randomly, for no reason. It's about making it attractive for the kind of people I want to attract to the group, and making it so that they want to stay, contribute and be a part of a like-minded scientific (meaning, non-dogmatic) community. A measure of privacy gives it a higher chance of not turning into one of the many other initiatives to move away from ES that have failed. With the privacy aspect in place, posters will (hopefully) have a reason to keep logging in, due to our collective ability to post rare stuff that's not widespread and easily accessible across the net. If you can easily get it elsewhere, there is no point no point in creating the group. What added value will it have that ES doesn't have?
I'm not interested in being a part of a carbon copy of ES. I want this to be a group that I could actually invite family members to (not that I would, I'm just saying), unlike ES, which I, at times, wouldn't want to be publicly associated with.
Besides, the only people who'll feel some type of way about this group's privacy are those who won't be invited due to their disruptive pseudo- scientific agendas or lurkers who enjoy reading good stuff. I feel bad about excluding the latter with this group, but I don't care about excluding the former. This is something that you (whoever fits the bill) control yourself by your own behaviour.
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1.0 Mitochondrial DNA affinities at the Atlantic fringe of Europe. González AM, Brehm A, Pérez JA, Maca-Meyer N, Flores C, Cabrera VM.
1.1.1 Source Departamento de Genética, Universidad de La Laguna, 38271 La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain. amglez@ull.es
1.1.2 Abstract Mitochondrial DNA analysis of Atlantic European samples has detected significant latitudinal clines for several clusters with Paleolithic (H) and Neolithic (J, U4, U5a1, and U5a1a) coalescence ages in Europe. These gradients may be explained as the result of Neolithic influence on a rather homogeneous Paleolithic background. There is also evidence that some Neolithic clusters reached this border by a continental route (J, J1, J1a, U5a1, and U5a1a), whereas others (J2) did so through the Mediterranean coast. An important gene flow from Africa was detected in the Atlantic Iberia. Specific sub-Saharan lineages appeared mainly restricted to southern Portugal, and could be attributed to historic Black slave trade in the area and to a probable Saharan Neolithic influence. In fact, U6 haplotypes of specific North African origin have only been detected in the Iberian peninsula northwards from central Portugal. Based on this peculiar distribution and the high diversity pi value (0.014 +/- 0.001) in this area compared to North Africa (0.006 +/- 0.001), we reject the proposal that only historic events such as the Moslem occupation are the main cause of this gene flow, and instead propose a pre-Neolithic origin for it. ====//
Check out the suppplementals...it is off the chains.
SSA in Iberia during the Neolithic times.....where have I seen that before. Was it the Bermudez et al paper.
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As I said.....diversity/resolution goes a long way.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I understand your position. They are collectiong money off the ads yet care very little about the condition of the forums. There is a set of rules, yet no consequences to violating the rules. ESR seems like the logical alternative
I encourage everyone to go to ESR. This Facebook is not a competing alternative to ES or ESR, at least not for now. The Facebook formula hasn't even proven itself yet.
One thing I don't/didn't like about ESR is that control is in the hands of a group of ES posters who are used to rooting for and agreeing with each other in terms of the subject matter that the forum is about. That setup just seems to me to have too much of a potential for (unintentional) polarity and nepotism, judging by the predominantly Euronut forums like Dodona and Biodiversity, although it may not have played out that way on ESR.
In the Facebook group everyone is equal and everyone will be given moderator status. Decisions will be made as a group, no one is in charge. Although this has some perks, it's mostly for symbolic value and for setting the tone, as there likely won't be any need to moderate, due to its secluded nature.
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quote: I want this to be a group that I could actually invite family members to (not that I would, I'm just saying), unlike ES, which I, at times, wouldn't want to be publicly associated with.
I have to admit that I would be embarrassed to have it known amongst my family and friends that I post here.
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quote: I want this to be a group that I could actually invite family members to (not that I would, I'm just saying), unlike ES, which I, at times, wouldn't want to be publicly associated with.
I have to admit that I would be embarrassed to have it known amongst my family and friends that I post here.
Hopefully the slew of new upcoming initiatives will change that.
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////== Population genetics and DNA preservation in ancient human remains from Eastern Spain
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This work aims to establish the genetic relationship between the different settlers of Eastern Spain and also to determine the conditions of DNA preservation. We studied two overlapping sequences (16,126–16,251 and 16,256–16,369) from mitochondrial HVR-I in 37 bone and teeth samples from 17 archaeological sites of Spanish Levant. Consistence of the results was established by repeated replication of amplifications. Approximately, 50% of the samples yielded reproducible results. The high efficiency in DNA recovery indicates that sample preservation mainly depends on the depositional environment rather than on sample age. Haplogroup V, an ***ALLEGED** marker of Paleolithic newcomers in Europe, has been found in an unusual elevated frequency (1 Calcolithic and 2 Iberian samples). This result could suggest a more southern distribution of Palaeolithic ice refugia. Moreover, we found Haplogroup L in Calcolithic samples. This may suggest the presence of a prehistoric African genetic background in eastern Iberia
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this is an amazing tool...Google language translator. The sky is the limit...who are they kidding? I am not the only one who has doubts!
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quote:One thing I don't/didn't like about ESR is that control is in the hands of a group of ES posters who are used to rooting for and agreeing with each other in terms of the subject matter that the forum is about. That setup just seems to me to have too much of a potential for (unintentional) polarity and nepotism, judging by the predominantly Euronut forums like Dodona and Biodiversity, although it may not have played out that way on ESR.
No such worries out side of cussing and dropping F and N bombs general trolling and anti racist statement of any kind non who police the site will gang up on anyone matter of fact past criticism is that we react too slowly to breach of etiquette.
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Google translator was used for this…take what you may from this, but the conclusion further confirms Africans migrating into the Levant and Iberia since Paleoltihic times.. As I said aDNA will expose the lies. Charts and tables will be posted on ESR.
Population Studies through aDNA – Eva Fernandez Dominguez
///=== CONCLUSIONS POPULATION 26. Reynolds distance and cluster analysis show that all three sets defined sample ("Paleolithic", "Middle Eastern Neolithic" and "Neolithic of the Iberian peninsula ") are phylogenetically CLOSER to each other than to the current populations.
27. The three sample sets have generally a large number of haplotypes unrepresented or low frequency current populations.
28. Although ancient populations differ from current procedures situate phylogenetic reconstruction old as closely haplotypes related to current and indicate that, old and new, come from a common gene pool.
29. The Middle East Neolithic samples have high genetic diversity dis-similar to the current populations of the same geographic region.
30. The Near Eastern Neolithic samples are frequency composition and haplotypes and haplogroups different from the current population of the same region Geographic. It is inferred that in the Middle East there has been a change in the genetic composition from the Neolithic.
31. The presence of rare haplotypes currently common to some Neolithic samples from Tell Ramad and Druze population of the current Israel, suggests a likely relationship between both matrilineal.
32. The presence of mitochondrial variations in the sample ***sub-Saharan***, Neolithic Middle East, analyzed, suggests that gene flow between this region and the continent Africa has been occurring since before the Neolithic.
33. Haplogroups proposed as markers to Neolithic expansion Europe FROM the Middle East, especially the haplogroup J-, are not former present in the sample obtained in this geographic area. If we discard the sampling bias as the cause, the results suggest that: 1) or populations Neolithic that spread in Europe belonged to a later archaeological phase, or 2) the current substructure haplogroup J does **NOT** have its origin in the Neolithic. .
34. Considering only the composition of the samples lineages neolithic Middle East, it is equally possible that the mitochondrial diversity appropriate European populations: 1) of the Neolithic demographic expansions, 2) of genetic continuity from Paleolithic.
35. The oldest samples of the Iberian Peninsula are analyzed here composition and haplotypes and haplogroups frequency different from Iberian populations current, suggesting that since the Neolithic there has been a change in the genetic composition of these populations.
36. The presence of the motif 16126C-16311C now common stocks Middle East in Solutrean layer samples of the Cave of Nerja and the Chalcolithic sites of Tres Montes and Abauntz, moves to think of a link by matrilineal between these ancient populations and current populations of East Next. The lack of information prevents other periods dating the potential connection. However, the absence of this motif in our sample Neolithic Next East could indicate that this connection back to the Neolithic PPNB.
37. The presence of about 50% SSA lineages L1b, L2 and L3 in the Chalcolithic deposits of Abauntz and Tres Montes, in Navarre, suggests the existence in the past of an important gene flow from Africa to this geographic region. The low frequency of these lineages in the current population suggests that Spanish has gene replacement occurred since the Chalcolithic. The entry of African lineages could occur during the Paleolithic, during the Neolithic period, or during both periods. The presence of phylogenetically related sequences in the Chalcolithic deposits Iberian Peninsula in Neolithic and Chalcolithic samples Middle East aims to Neolithic as most likely time of entry into the peninsula of these lineages.
38. Haplogroup V supposedly originating in the Pyrenean-Cantabrian strip, is absent in samples Chalcolithic period of Abauntz Navarre deposits and Tres Montes. The results suggest that the high frequency current haplogroup mentioned in this area is probably due to other factors such as genetic drift and founder effects.
39. Overall, the results show that since the Neolithic has a change in the composition of mitochondrial populations of Syria and Iberian Peninsula. The conclusions derived from mtDNA diversity in current populations should take this factor into consideration. ***Mike111 is right!!!!***
40. None of the old sequences recovered, partial or complete, exhibits a mutational pattern comparable to that of Neanderthal specimens studied to date. The result is to suggest that, had produced a contribution Neanderthal the European gene pool, it would have been lost before the Neolithic.
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More papers were uploaded the past couple of days. Some physical anthropology stuff as well as aDNA stuff.
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quote:One thing I don't/didn't like about ESR is that control is in the hands of a group of ES posters who are used to rooting for and agreeing with each other in terms of the subject matter that the forum is about. That setup just seems to me to have too much of a potential for (unintentional) polarity and nepotism, judging by the predominantly Euronut forums like Dodona and Biodiversity, although it may not have played out that way on ESR.
No such worries out side of cussing and dropping F and N bombs general trolling and anti racist statement of any kind non who police the site will gang up on anyone matter of fact past criticism is that we react too slowly to breach of etiquette.
When ES breathes its last breath ESR will likely become the next haven. Along with this migration of netizens, more polarity will undoubtedly surface there, and thus, more challenges and responsibilities for the mods. When that time comes I hope you guys will maintain that sense of impartiality.
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Date MF date don't wanna waste time chasin downlvl papers
EDIT: scratch that already got it on my ext-stg
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Google translator was used for this…take what you may from this, but the conclusion further confirms Africans migrating into the Levant and Iberia since Paleoltihic times.. As I said aDNA will expose the lies. Charts and tables will be posted on ESR.
Population Studies through aDNA – Eva Fernandez Dominguez
///=== CONCLUSIONS POPULATION 26. Reynolds distance and cluster analysis show that all three sets defined sample ("Paleolithic", "Middle Eastern Neolithic" and "Neolithic of the Iberian peninsula ") are phylogenetically CLOSER to each other than to the current populations.
27. The three sample sets have generally a large number of haplotypes unrepresented or low frequency current populations.
28. Although ancient populations differ from current procedures situate phylogenetic reconstruction old as closely haplotypes related to current and indicate that, old and new, come from a common gene pool.
29. The Middle East Neolithic samples have high genetic diversity dis-similar to the current populations of the same geographic region.
30. The Near Eastern Neolithic samples are frequency composition and haplotypes and haplogroups different from the current population of the same region Geographic. It is inferred that in the Middle East there has been a change in the genetic composition from the Neolithic.
31. The presence of rare haplotypes currently common to some Neolithic samples from Tell Ramad and Druze population of the current Israel, suggests a likely relationship between both matrilineal.
32. The presence of mitochondrial variations in the sample ***sub-Saharan***, Neolithic Middle East, analyzed, suggests that gene flow between this region and the continent Africa has been occurring since before the Neolithic.
33. Haplogroups proposed as markers to Neolithic expansion Europe FROM the Middle East, especially the haplogroup J-, are not former present in the sample obtained in this geographic area. If we discard the sampling bias as the cause, the results suggest that: 1) or populations Neolithic that spread in Europe belonged to a later archaeological phase, or 2) the current substructure haplogroup J does **NOT** have its origin in the Neolithic. .
34. Considering only the composition of the samples lineages neolithic Middle East, it is equally possible that the mitochondrial diversity appropriate European populations: 1) of the Neolithic demographic expansions, 2) of genetic continuity from Paleolithic.
35. The oldest samples of the Iberian Peninsula are analyzed here composition and haplotypes and haplogroups frequency different from Iberian populations current, suggesting that since the Neolithic there has been a change in the genetic composition of these populations.
36. The presence of the motif 16126C-16311C now common stocks Middle East in Solutrean layer samples of the Cave of Nerja and the Chalcolithic sites of Tres Montes and Abauntz, moves to think of a link by matrilineal between these ancient populations and current populations of East Next. The lack of information prevents other periods dating the potential connection. However, the absence of this motif in our sample Neolithic Next East could indicate that this connection back to the Neolithic PPNB.
37. The presence of about 50% SSA lineages L1b, L2 and L3 in the Chalcolithic deposits of Abauntz and Tres Montes, in Navarre, suggests the existence in the past of an important gene flow from Africa to this geographic region. The low frequency of these lineages in the current population suggests that Spanish has gene replacement occurred since the Chalcolithic. The entry of African lineages could occur during the Paleolithic, during the Neolithic period, or during both periods. The presence of phylogenetically related sequences in the Chalcolithic deposits Iberian Peninsula in Neolithic and Chalcolithic samples Middle East aims to Neolithic as most likely time of entry into the peninsula of these lineages.
38. Haplogroup V supposedly originating in the Pyrenean-Cantabrian strip, is absent in samples Chalcolithic period of Abauntz Navarre deposits and Tres Montes. The results suggest that the high frequency current haplogroup mentioned in this area is probably due to other factors such as genetic drift and founder effects.
39. Overall, the results show that since the Neolithic has a change in the composition of mitochondrial populations of Syria and Iberian Peninsula. The conclusions derived from mtDNA diversity in current populations should take this factor into consideration. ***Mike111 is right!!!!***
40. None of the old sequences recovered, partial or complete, exhibits a mutational pattern comparable to that of Neanderthal specimens studied to date. The result is to suggest that, had produced a contribution Neanderthal the European gene pool, it would have been lost before the Neolithic.
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Due to the latest wave of ES management shitting on what we've built here, I and others will not be posting in this forum for the time being. We've retreated to the FB group described here, contemplating our next move and posting data.
Brada, Calabooz, King_Scorpion and other reputable ES members, if you still want to join, it's not too late. Shoot me a PM! Again, this is not my forum or my group or my anything, the admin system is democratic, so its everyone's group. You'll feel at home.
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Is anyone backing up what info? To replace ES, most people at the Facebook group are considering ESR and TNV.
This is directed to everyone (including the lurkers): should ES be disbanded or become inaccessible again, you should go to ESR as that's where most people seem to say they'll go to.
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At least on ESR we don't have to deal with idiotic trolls like the Great Turd.
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