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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Argyle, did you read my first post of today?
Yes but it doesn't please you and so whine on.

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You post is typical waffling from you and only serves to prove may point.

For example, you keep babbling about U6 being indigenous to North Africa. You don't seem to understand that even if the mutation U6 first appeared in North Africa. Its parent basal U, and grandparents R and N haplogroups originated outside Africa in Europe and Asia.

This may help you understand (take your time to look at it):


You try to make this about me and you but truly even fellow Swenet told you about it and explained to it to xyyman in other posts.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
The majority of the
Taforalt individuals are descendants of what back
then would then have been recent European immigrants .

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So the specimen at taforalt are European immigrants from a very long time ago who then admixed with other Eurasian and African populations.

Ancient DNA study of Maghreb specimen dating from around 12000BP

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The genetic nuclear resolution path, follows the same path as the archeological and anthropological path. Is this irony coincidental?

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PC correlates and component loadings (Figure 2) showed a pattern similar to average hg frequencies (Table 2) in both large meta-population sets, with the LBK dataset grouping with Europeans because of a lack of mitochondrial African hgs (L and M1) and preHV, and elevated frequencies of hg V.

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--Wolfgang Haak

Ancient DNA from European Early Neolithic Farmers Reveals Their Near Eastern Affinities

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Our results demonstrate an ancient local evolution in Tunisia of some African haplogroups (L2a, L3*, and L3b).

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However, considering the general understanding nowadays that human settlement of the rest of the world emerged from eastern northern Africa less than 50,000 years ago, a better explanation of these haplogroups might be that their frequencies reflect the original modern human population of these parts of Africa as much as or more than intrusions from outside the continent.

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--Frigi et al., 2010


A Dictionary of Archaeology
by Ian Shaw,Robert Jameson



The Oxford Handbook of African Archaeology by Peter Mitchell,Paul Lane

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The great similarities between Taforalt and Hassi-el-Abiod men (malian Sahara)

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In: Bulletins et Mémoires de la Société d'anthropologie de Paris, XIV° Série, tome 5 fascicule 4, 1988. pp. 247-256.


TAFORALT MAN IN SAHARA : SAHARAN EXTENSION OF MAGHREBIAN

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we suggest that there may have been a relationship, albeit a complex one, between climatic events and cave activity on the part of Iberomaurusian populations.

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--A. Bouzouggar, et al.

Reevaluating the Age of the Iberomaurusian in Morocco

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Large-scale climate change forms the backdrop to the beginnings of food production in northeastern Africa (Kröpelin et al. 2008). Hunter-gatherer communities deserted most of the northern interior of the continent during the arid glacial maximum and took refuge along the North African coast, the Nile Valley, and the southern fringes of the Sahara (Barich and Garcea 2008; Garcea 2006; Kuper and Kröpelin 2006). During the subsequent Early Holocene African humid phase, from the mid-eleventh to the early ninth millennium cal BP, ceramic-using hunter-gatherers took advantage of more favorable savanna conditions to resettle much of northeastern Africa (Holl 2005; Kuper and Kröpelin 2006). Evidence of domestic animals first appeared in sites in the Western Desert of Egypt, the Khartoum region of the Nile, northern Niger, the Acacus Mountains of Libya, and Wadi Howar (Garcea 2004, 2006; Pöllath and Peters 2007; fig. 1).

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--Fiona Marshall

Domestication Processes and Morphological Change
Through the Lens of the Donkey and African Pastoralism
Fiona Marshall and Lior Weissbrod

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Evidence from throughout the Sahara indicates that the region experienced a cool, dry and windy climate during the last glacial period, followed by a wetter climate with the onset of the current interglacial, with humid conditions being fully established by around 10,000 years BP, when we see the first evidence of a reoccupation of parts of the central Sahara by hunter gathers, most likely originating from sub-Saharan Africa (Cremaschi and Di Lernia, 1998; Goudie, 1992; Phillipson, 1993; Ritchie, 1994; Roberts, 1998).


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Conical tumuli, platform burials and a V-type monument represent structures similar to those found in other Saharan regions and associated with human burials, appearing in sixth millennium BP onwards in northeast Niger and southwest Libya (Sivilli, 2002). In the latter area a shift in emphasis from faunal to human burials, complete by the early fifth millennium BP, has been interpreted by Di Lernia and Manzi (2002) as being associated with a changes in social organisation that occurred at a time of increasing aridity. While further research is required in order to place the funerary monuments of Western Sahara in their chronological context, we can postulate a similar process as a hypothesis to be tested, based on the high density of burial sites recorded in the 2002 survey. Fig. 2: Megaliths associated with tumulus burial (to right of frame), north of Tifariti (Fig. 1). A monument consisting of sixty five stelae was also of great interest; precise alignments north and east, a division of the area covered into separate units, and a deliberate scattering of quartzite inside the structure, are suggestive of an astronomical function associated with funerary rituals. Stelae are also associated with a number of burial sites, again suggesting dual funerary and astronomical functions (Figure 2). Further similarities with other Saharan regions are evident in the rock art recorded in the study area, although local stylistic developments are also apparent. Carvings of wild fauna at the site of Sluguilla resemble the Tazina style found in Algeria, Libya and Morocco (Pichler and Rodrigue, 2003), although examples of elephant and rhinoceros in a naturalistic style reminiscent of engravings from the central Sahara believed to date from the early Holocene are also present.

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--Nick Brooks et al.

The prehistory of Western Sahara in a regional context: the archaeology of the "free zone"


Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, Saharan Studies Programme and School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK
Coauthors: Di Lernia, Savino ((Department of Scienze Storiche, Archeologiche, e Antropologiche dell’Antichità, Faculty of Human Sciences, University of Rome “La Sapienza”, Via Palestro 63, 00185 – Rome, Italy) and Drake, Nick (Department of Geography, King’s College, Strand, London WC2R 2LS).

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Originally posted by xyyman:

Relevance to Berber and thread? That basal Eurasian is the Amazigh, their origin?, The East Africa(Sudan area) as attested to by numerous genetic reports. M1 Kivilsid et al, nrY-E Eanafaa ? et al. etc.

I am open to counter claims.

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Originally posted by Tukuler:


Mind you that, proven primarily African via their
uniparentals and autosomes, Berbers are heavily
admixed with non-Africans. That means individual
Berbers may be either primarily African or primarily
non-African genetically though as an aggregate
whole the DNA evidence I posted proves Berbers
and Maghrebis in general are primarily African,
local African.

Berbers and Maghrebis in general per phenotype
are best described as what JA Rogers called a
"fixed mulatto" people. That's why they show up
in forensic databases as a mixed population like
Arabs and Latin Americas.



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Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes:
There were white Berbers in ancient times.

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