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the claim in the below (2nd bolded) is based on an reference listed as
Paul A. A History of the Beja Tribes of the Sudan. London: F. Cass; 1971.

I'm not sure how reliable it is. I have discovered the book actually was published in 1954.
A review at the bottom of the thread calls it racist and bad history, however the only monograph on the Beja.


DNA Tribes has quite a few African popualtions in it's database.
The Beja are not one of them.
I suspect they are largely African but am not sure about other admixture


http://books.google.com/books?id=hI_wYwpGahEC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=bej


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2987384/

Linking the sub-Saharan and West Eurasian gene pools: maternal and paternal heritage of the Tuareg nomads from the African Sahel 2010

Luísa Pereira,1,2 Viktor Černý,3,* María Cerezo,4 Nuno M Silva,1 Martin Hájek,3 Alžběta Vašíková,5 Martina Kujanová,6 Radim Brdička,5 and Antonio Salas4

Cavalli-Sforza et al,2 whose synthesized study of classical protein and serological markers is well known, noticed a genetic link between the Tuareg and Beja from Eastern Sudan. The fact that the genetic distances between the Tuareg and Berber/North-western Africans were larger than that between the Tuareg and Beja, provides a picture of a common origin and population separation at some point more than 5000 years ago. Interestingly, both people are also pastoralist and speak Afro-Asiatic languages, even if the Beja language (Bedawi), with its four dialects, belongs to the Cushitic branch, whereas Tamasheq belongs to the Berber branch. The fact that these two peoples today speak different languages might be explained either by the Tuareg having acquired the Berber language during their westwards migration, or possibly by the Beja coming under the influence of some Eastern African peoples as language shift is a relatively common phenomenon.


Relationships with the peoples of Eastern Sudan (the Beja) as pointed to by the study of classical genetic markers2 cannot yet be disregarded here as there is still no mtDNA of the Beja people available for study. However, according to historical reports, the origin of the Beja is more likely to be traceable to the Arabian Peninsula 52


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Paul A. A History of the Beja Tribes of the Sudan. London: F. Cass; 1971.

^^^ 1954, actual first publish date


a good reads customer review of the book:


Bob Offer-Westort rated it 1 of 5 stars
I'm having a hard time writing a review, as this book is really just racist hogswill from the twilight years of the overt British Empire. Paul's book is racist in a Rudyard Kipling-y tho-I've-beaten-you-&-flayed-you-you're-a-better-man-than-I sort of way. Racism is never justified by history, but Paul was writing late enough that he ought at least to have been a little embarrassed. Then again, he'd've been a terrible colonial administrator if he allowed himself to ever experience embarrassment when talking about a colonised people.

Beyond its fairly overt racism, & beyond the ways in which the racism alone make the book unreliable as history, it's also bad history. It's poorly sourced, & tremendously incomplete.

The only reason that Paul's History merits a review is to tell you not to read it. It is the only English-language monograph on Beja history that I know of, & that's a problem, to be sure. However, there are articles & chapters which contain more reliable, more thorough, and more interesting information than what Paul covers. Unfortunately, none of these texts is by a Beja person: all are by European anthropologists. Abdullahi Ali Ibrahim has written a really good essay—freely available on-line—on the ways in which Beja scholars have been excluded from Beja scholarship by Western researchers. This is unjust, & is another way that colonialism continues to arrogate non-Western resources for the benefit of Westerners. But more than that, it's a loss for all who seek knowledge. The better-than-Paul histories of Beja people that exist are still overwhelmingly documentary-based, & do not draw on Beja tradition. (They barely draw on Arabic tradition beyond what was collected by 19th century Orientalists.) There is no scholarly consensus concerning the functioning of tone in Beja, or in most other Cushitic languages. Both of these fields of study would benefit tremendously by the privileging of native-speaker knowledge & research.

I've said not to read Paul, & I've said that the ideal research—conducted by Beja researchers—does not appear to exist. Still, there are useful options other than Paul:

• Lord Kirwan's 'Blemmyes and Beja', currently in print in his Gedenkschrift Studies on the History of Late Antique and Christian Nubia
• Gudrun Dahl and Anders Hjort-Af-Ornas' 'Precolonial Beja: A Periphery at the Crossroads', published in the Nordic Journal of African Studies 15:4
• The same authors' chapter on history in Responsible Man: The Atmaan Beja of Northeastern Sudan


These, unfortunately, do not address recent developments with the Beja Congress & interactions with the current Sudanese government: the first of these only reaches up thru early medieval times, the second devotes its attention to early history thru the Funj (with a brief dénouement in the 19th century), while the last is more general, reaching thru the early 1980s.

Paul A. A History of the Beja Tribes of the Sudan. London: F. Cass;
1954.


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Bisharin, a clan of Beja

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http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?rog3=SU&peo3=10877
Eastern Sudan has been the homeland of the Beja since the days of the pharaohs 4,000 years ago. Despite contact with the Egyptians, along with Greeks and Romans, it was the Muslims who finally had a real and lasting impression on the Beja. Although the Beja had partially accepted Christianity in 500 A.D., their conversion was only skin deep and beginning in 640 A.D., when Arabs first invaded Sudan, the Beja began to gradually adopt the Islamic faith. The Arabs did not conquer Sudan, and although many Beja tribes still do not speak Arabic, Islam left a lasting impact on their lifestyle, customs and religious practices.

The Bisharin are a people that comprises a number of ancient tribes. They are mostly Sufi Muslim, though many are Christians.

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This is a good PDF article:


http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/afrikanistik/kant/data/ZJ1_kant1.pdf


The Islamization of the Beja until the 19 century

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DNA of the Tuaregs? Recent paper?

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E-V68 is found in the genetic lineage of the Beja.


Check this out...


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Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively) [6], [8], [10], [13]–[16] and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe (Table S2). An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other Authors [14], and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern. However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups.

--Beniamino Trombetta, Fulvio Cruciani et al. (2011)

A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms


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There ya go!

http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/egyptian-dna-indigenous-to-north-africa-haplogroup-e-familia-m78m35m2/


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