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Now just for those who don't understand that Egyptology is a made up pseudo-science just for promoting professional liars, just watch these NEW episodes produced on ancient Egypt.
There are so many flaws that are not really flaws that go 100% against everything you know that it obviously has to be intentional. And this is with all the so called "professional" Egyptologists who are giving their commentary. Like notice how so many Egyptians have full beards, almost looking like somehow Israelites, even though Egyptians rarely wore full beards? Or the Charleton Heston look alikes? Or the fact that none of these clowns wear any of the actual hairstyles found in Egypt? No false beards, no Uraei, no locks or side locks, but this is supposed to be taken seriously? And on top of that you got the black faced mummy of Seqenenre Tao looking like a Typical black African and the actor is white? And then they claim that the 18th dynasty was founded in the South but supported later by slaves from Nubia? Seriously? White supremacy and its bold face frauds know no bounds.
Painted Relief of Hatshepsut or Thutmose III at Dayr Al-Bahri
They should be using actors with a dark brown skin tone. They don't and I agree it's fvcked up
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They should be using actors with a dark brown skin tone. They don't and I agree it's fvcked up
They should be using blacks, in the various hues and physical traits that black Africans come in, PERIOD.
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I cant trust Western academia and media when they are telling Egyptian history and world history because they are racists, Eurocentrics and liars. The majority of classical historians described the Ancient Egyptians as being a black people, Scholar Sheikh Anta Diop proved scientifically that the Ancient Egyptians people, culture, religion, language was black African
Because of those facts Western academia and Western media should teach Egypt was a black African civilization in their schools and portrait the Egyptians as black people in their movies and TV series.
It is very strange that in 2014 Europeans academia and media are still lying about Ancient Egypt civilization. Meso North American black and other race civilization have also been erased and replaced by lies.
I'm coming to believe these guys aren't liars but are merely more victims of the status quo. People are taught beliefs starting when they are babies and few can ever change them.
You're probably right that the beliefs are a product of racism but they are the racism of people in the past moreso than people today.
People have a single perspective and many can't imagine a highly successful culture that is African. Their perspective forces them to see things like those in the past did as does the widespread belief that we are always progressing. Changing basic beliefs is very difficult but as more science is done, people will be forced to change.
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I totally disagree with you. Every human being has a mind, freewill and the ability to think. Any "scholar" who does proper research can not deny that Kemet was a black nation, period. It wasn't mixed, it wasn't made by Africans and non Africans. It was a 100% African society. This is a fact, because NOTHING in that society can be explained by none African practices both culturally, religiously and governmentally. Yet these Europeans either ignore this fact willfully or they try to explain it away or downplay it.
This savage Hawas once said "Yes, Ancient Egyptians were blacks but not Negros because they had thin lips and straight noses". LOL riiiiight.
Do not give willful ignorance a excuse, expose it at every turn!
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I totally disagree with you. Every human being has a mind, freewill and the ability to think. Any "scholar" who does proper research can not deny that Kemet was a black nation, period. It wasn't mixed, it wasn't made by Africans and non Africans. It was a 100% African society. This is a fact, because NOTHING in that society can be explained by none African practices both culturally, religiously and governmentally. Yet these Europeans either ignore this fact willfully or they try to explain it away or downplay it.
This savage Hawas once said "Yes, Ancient Egyptians were blacks but not Negros because they had thin lips and straight noses". LOL riiiiight.
Do not give willful ignorance a excuse, expose it at every turn!
I don't dispute this nor do I condone bigotry. I simply believe that our perspectives are determined largely by forces beyond individual control. We see what we expect to see and are blind to everything else. This seems to apply to everyone so it's not fair to ascribe motives to other people for this behavior.
I simply believe it is better to say they are wrong and help them find the light and a better perspective. Any of us can be wrong whether we believe what we're taught or if we find our own vantage. Most people seem to be doing what they think is right no matter how misguided they sometimes are. What more can we really expect of our fellow man or society than that they try to do what's right?
The solution is always going to be education because the problem is almost always ignorance, misunderstanding, and a very poor perspective. The problem is that we tend to think all the answers are known when in reality we've barely begun to understand what the questions are.
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Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt (2001): "Any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depends on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study. Thus, by modern American standards it is reasonable to characterize the Egyptians as "black", while acknowledging the scientific evidence for the physical diversity of Africans.”Posts: 2981 | Registered: Jan 2012
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I've often asked why there's not a" Watch" for programs & disinformation about ancient Egypt & other African civilizations . People like here on ES & around the African diaspora should flood net works, publications, etc. with emails letting them know that they are being " Watched" & will make a loud vocal noise about their distortions, & disinformation. The concerned African diaspora needs to unite, combat, confront, the Status quo around these issues ! With concerned persons in the States , Britain, France , etc could help with the support of Black historians, Egyptologist, organizations, & people of good will who want to see a change & the truth could make powerful inroads !
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There's still great stride taken in egyptology in the last decade. The idea of a dynastic race coming from outside to create the state is almost dead. The foundation of Ancient Egypt is viewed more and more as an indigenous process. The source populations coming from the south, the western (Nabta Playa) and eastern desert (aka western sahara). All those regions were part of the green sahara with its wavy line pottery culture.
The only thing that is not said out loud very often is the ethnic identity of Ancient Egyptians. So many documentaries and books still cling on to past misinformation and lack of knowledge about the Ancient Egyptian ethnic composition or try to make it a mixed society with both black Africans and West Asian/European looking people. It would be important to change that because it's a falsification of African history. Nobody depicts Ancient Greece as composed mostly of Chinese, African or Arab people or a mixture of them. Same for the Aztec or Rome. Because those foreign people were a minority in those nations when they were present.
With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation should change in my opinion.
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"With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation should change in my opinion"
I agree with you,but the problem as I see it is; unless you read ES or publications, books, articles related to archaeological research that deals with Ancient Egypt/ Nubia you will be left in the dark. Academic research in these fields are usually read by a small numbers of people related to, or have an interest in the subject matter. This information is glacial in terms of it reaching the masses of people who might benefit form this information, thus speed up the popular understanding of the racial dynamics of ancient Egypt.
With that being said; I truly believe their is a concerted effort by the Status Quo in not giving information to the average person who might be able to reintegrate this information to see Africa with" New Eyes". Some I'm sure will resist this new information esp. the older generation, but many more, might be very open to this objective information esp. the younger generation & the open mined individual. At this time in history the more conservative forces be it Governments, or academia are fighting tooth & nail to keep things as they are & even wanting to stifle any forward movement away from the Status quo which includes "White Supremacy" & it's hold on the minds of many concerning Africa's true role in the history of humanity . Yes, this might be so unconscious that it is second nature for those that disseminate information including esp. National Geographic but it is retarding many minds in the process in stepping fully into the 21 century .
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: @ Amun- Ra The Ultimate
"With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation should change in my opinion"
I agree with you,but the problem as I see it is; unless you read ES or publications, books, articles related to archaeological research that deals with Ancient Egypt/ Nubia you will be left in the dark.
That's what I just said. With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation you talk about should change in my opinion. Even now, more importance are beginning to be given to the southern region, western (Nabta Playa) and Eastern desert as source population for the foundation of the Ancient Kemet state.
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Painted Relief of Hatshepsut or Thutmose III at Dayr Al-Bahri
They should be using actors with a dark brown skin tone. They don't and I agree it's fvcked up
They should be using blacks, in the various hues and physical traits that black Africans come in, PERIOD.
Cosigned strongly!
Look closely at Thutmoses III how his mount sticks out, especially the upper nasal prognathism.
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quote: In Egypt, the earliest evidence of humans can be recognized only from tools found scattered over an ancient surface, sometimes with hearths nearby. In Wadi Kubbaniya, a dried-up streambed cutting through the Western Desert to the floodplain northwest of Aswan in Upper Egypt, some interesting sites of the kind described above have been recorded. A cluster of Late Paleolithic camps was located in two different topographic zones: on the tops of dunes and the floor of the wadi (streambed) where it enters the valley. Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths. Most tools were bladelets made from a local stone called chert that is widely used in tool fabrication. The bones of wild cattle, hartebeest, many types of fish and birds, as well as the occasional hippopotamus have been identified in the occupation layers. Charred remains of plants that the inhabitants consumed, especially tubers, have also been found.
It appears from the zoological and botanical remains at the various sites in this wadi that the two environmental zones were exploited at different times. We know that the dune sites were occupied when the Nile River flooded the wadi because large numbers of fish and migratory bird bones were found at this location. When the water receded, people then moved down onto the silt left behind on the wadi floor and the floodplain, probably following large animals that looked for water there in the dry season. Paleolithic peoples lived at Wadi Kubbaniya for about 2,000 years, exploiting the different environments as the seasons changed. Other ancient camps have been discovered along the Nile from Sudan to the Mediterranean, yielding similar tools and food remains. These sites demonstrate that the early inhabitants of the Nile valley and its nearby deserts had learned how to exploit local environments, developing economic strategies that were maintained in later cultural traditions of pharaonic Egypt.
quote:"Materials and methods In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550_/1080 BC) [...] The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of negroid origin."
quote:"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco
quote:Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003
quote: The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods&time; studied.
--Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.
quote: African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
quote: "The Lower Egyptian cultures in the fifth and fourth millennia are marked by an architecture of ovoid or circular huts (pl. 1:8) made of light material (mud and reeds), rather close in aspect to the traditional architecture of sub-Saharan Africa."
--Olin and Blin 2003
quote: Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range. In general, recent studies of skeletal variation among ancient Egyptians support scenarios of biological continuity through time. Irish (2006) analyzed quantitative and qualitative dental traits of 996 Egyptians from Neolithic through Roman periods, reporting the presence of a few outliers but concluding that the dental samples appear to be largely homogeneous and that the affinities observed indicate overall biological uniformity and continuity from Predynastic through Dynastic and Postdynastic periods.
Zakrzewski (2007) provided a comprehensive summary of previous Egyptian craniometric studies and examined Egyptian crania from six time periods. She found that the earlier samples were relatively more homogeneous in comparison to the later groups. However, overall results indicated genetic continuity over the Egyptian Predynastic and Early Dynastic periods, albeit with a high level of genetic diversity within the population, suggesting an indigenous process of state formation. She also concluded that while the biological patterning of the Egyptian population varied across time, no consistent temporal or spatial trends are apparent. Thus, the stature estimation formulae developed here may be broadly applicable to all ancient Egyptian populations...".
--Stature estimation in ancient Egyptians: A new technique based on anatomical reconstruction of stature." Michelle H. Raxter, Christopher B. Ruff, Ayman Azab, Moushira Erfan, Muhammad Soliman, Aly El-Sawaf, (Am J Phys Anthropol. 2008, Jun;136(2):147-55
Peace!
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: @ Amun- Ra The Ultimate
"With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation should change in my opinion"
I agree with you,but the problem as I see it is; unless you read ES or publications, books, articles related to archaeological research that deals with Ancient Egypt/ Nubia you will be left in the dark.
That's what I just said. With more archaeological, historic and especially genetics analysis the situation you talk about should change in my opinion. Even now, more importance are beginning to be given to the southern region, western (Nabta Playa) and Eastern desert as source population for the foundation of the Ancient Kemet state.
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I said that I agreed with you, but you seemed to discount the other part of my post .
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: I said that I agreed with you, but you seemed to discount the other part of my post .
I already responded to the other part: Things should change with time and further research as explained above. Things are already changing.
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I totally disagree with you. Every human being has a mind, freewill and the ability to think. Any "scholar" who does proper research can not deny that Kemet was a black nation, period. It wasn't mixed, it wasn't made by Africans and non Africans. It was a 100% African society. This is a fact, because NOTHING in that society can be explained by none African practices both culturally, religiously and governmentally. Yet these Europeans either ignore this fact willfully or they try to explain it away or downplay it.
This savage Hawas once said "Yes, Ancient Egyptians were blacks but not Negros because they had thin lips and straight noses". LOL riiiiight.
Do not give willful ignorance a excuse, expose it at every turn!
I don't understand the thin lip argument?
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: I said that I agreed with you, but you seemed to discount the other part of my post .
I already responded to the other part: Things should change with time and further research as explained above. Things are already changing.
Great images in your previous post.
I have been to Egypt, several places. I have seen lot of images and statues, even in private paces, where tourist usually can't go. I was taken there by local people. These locals are usually doing the observation and security.
I can confirm that most depictions depict the following image:
(I estimate about 90%)
This is also a images posted by you. Considering the resolution and depth of field, I assume you took this pic yourself.
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Can you give me current mainstream articles, magazines , books were one can see these changes you speak of ? Remember mainstream, such as National Geographic, school text book etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: Can you give me current mainstream articles, magazines , books were one can see these changes you speak of ? Remember mainstream, such as National Geographic, school text book etc.
Every other posts I make on this forum is about that. You should check them out (you can google search them).
I guess I can give you a few examples:
I already posted the Oxford Encyclopedia quote above in this thread.
Recently I posted in another thread, about Nabta Playa said to be the origin of pharaonic era stone sculpture culture.
quote:About Nabta Playa from Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt (excerpt):
From The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt by Toby Wilkinson (2010)
So archaeologists have been forced to rethink "their theories of Egypt's origin".
Toby Wilkinson is obviously mainstream.
Here more about the ethnicity of Nabta Playa inhabitants from mainstream sources:
quote: Of considerable interest is the likely racial identity of the Neolithic people at Nabta. Irish (1994) has recognized two major human populations in Africa, based on several diagnostic morphological variants of dental features among modern African populations. One group he relates to Europeans, and identifies as North African, includes the modern population in the Nile Valley from northern Sudan to the Mediterranean. The other, which he calls Sub-Saharan, occurs through most of Africa south of the Sahara. All of the individuals of Baqar Late Neolithic at Nabta are, like the Jerar Early Neolithic burial at Site E-91-1, within the Sub-Saharan group, and differ from those in the Nile Valley who are included in the North African group (Irish, Chapter 18, this volume). A larger sample is needed to be certain, but this limited evidence suggests that, at least since the later part of the Early Neolithic if not before, the cattle pastoralists in the southern part of the Egyptian Eastern Sahara had close physical ties with sub-Saharan Africa.
- From Holocene Settlement of the Egyptian Sahara: Volume 1: The Archaeology of Nabta Playa (Chap 25: Conclusions, p 671)
Here another mainstream study depicting Ancient Egypt as an indigenous process. Long gone are the days of the dynastic race and AE being a product of European or West Asian transplants:
Body Size, Skeletal Biomechanics, Mobility and Habitual Activity from the Late Palaeolithic to the Mid-Dynastic Nile Valley. Got it from here: (www.) pave.bioanth.cam.ac.uk/pdfs/033-Stock(2011HBTA)NileBiomechSize.pdf (you need to add the www. to the address, the forum doesn't allow me to post the full address)
BMJ also released a study stating Ramses III to be E1b1a.
Zaharan also post many similar works from mainstream publications. Those are only a few examples, there's plenty more. Of course, there's still a lot to be done but it is slowly getting there. More archaeological and genetic study should further things even more with time.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Sam P
I totally disagree with you. Every human being has a mind, freewill and the ability to think. Any "scholar" who does proper research can not deny that Kemet was a black nation, period. It wasn't mixed, it wasn't made by Africans and non Africans. It was a 100% African society. This is a fact, because NOTHING in that society can be explained by none African practices both culturally, religiously and governmentally. Yet these Europeans either ignore this fact willfully or they try to explain it away or downplay it.
This savage Hawas once said "Yes, Ancient Egyptians were blacks but not Negros because they had thin lips and straight noses". LOL riiiiight.
Do not give willful ignorance a excuse, expose it at every turn!
I don't understand the thin lip argument?
people over 40 dont count
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quote:Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Sam P
I totally disagree with you. Every human being has a mind, freewill and the ability to think. Any "scholar" who does proper research can not deny that Kemet was a black nation, period. It wasn't mixed, it wasn't made by Africans and non Africans. It was a 100% African society. This is a fact, because NOTHING in that society can be explained by none African practices both culturally, religiously and governmentally. Yet these Europeans either ignore this fact willfully or they try to explain it away or downplay it.
This savage Hawas once said "Yes, Ancient Egyptians were blacks but not Negros because they had thin lips and straight noses". LOL riiiiight.
Do not give willful ignorance a excuse, expose it at every turn!
I don't understand the thin lip argument?
people over 40 dont count
So Pharaohs over 40 don't count? Ok!
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: Can you give me current mainstream articles, magazines , books were one can see these changes you speak of ? Remember mainstream, such as National Geographic, school text book etc.
Every other posts I make on this forum is about that. You should check them out (you can google search them).
I guess I can give you a few examples:
I already posted the Oxford Encyclopedia quote above in this thread.
Recently I posted in another thread, about Nabta Playa said to be the origin of pharaonic era stone sculpture culture.
quote:About Nabta Playa from Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt (excerpt):
From The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt by Toby Wilkinson (2010)
So archaeologists have been forced to rethink "their theories of Egypt's origin".
Toby Wilkinson is obviously mainstream.
Here more about the ethnicity of Nabta Playa inhabitants from mainstream sources:
quote: Of considerable interest is the likely racial identity of the Neolithic people at Nabta. Irish (1994) has recognized two major human populations in Africa, based on several diagnostic morphological variants of dental features among modern African populations. One group he relates to Europeans, and identifies as North African, includes the modern population in the Nile Valley from northern Sudan to the Mediterranean. The other, which he calls Sub-Saharan, occurs through most of Africa south of the Sahara. All of the individuals of Baqar Late Neolithic at Nabta are, like the Jerar Early Neolithic burial at Site E-91-1, within the Sub-Saharan group, and differ from those in the Nile Valley who are included in the North African group (Irish, Chapter 18, this volume). A larger sample is needed to be certain, but this limited evidence suggests that, at least since the later part of the Early Neolithic if not before, the cattle pastoralists in the southern part of the Egyptian Eastern Sahara had close physical ties with sub-Saharan Africa.
- From Holocene Settlement of the Egyptian Sahara: Volume 1: The Archaeology of Nabta Playa (Chap 25: Conclusions, p 671)
Here another mainstream study depicting Ancient Egypt as an indigenous process. Long gone are the days of the dynastic race and AE being a product of European or West Asian transplants:
Body Size, Skeletal Biomechanics, Mobility and Habitual Activity from the Late Palaeolithic to the Mid-Dynastic Nile Valley. Got it from here: (www.) pave.bioanth.cam.ac.uk/pdfs/033-Stock(2011HBTA)NileBiomechSize.pdf (you need to add the www. to the address, the forum doesn't allow me to post the full address)
BMJ also released a study stating Ramses III to be E1b1a.
Zaharan also post many similar works from mainstream publications. Those are only a few examples, there's plenty more. Of course, there's still a lot to be done but it is slowly getting there. More archaeological and genetic study should further things even more with time.
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Thank you for the information provided .Maybe I did not make my self clear enough; when I said "mainstream" I should have used" popular " publications that the " average" person would read like National Geographic etc. Like yourself I'm well aware of Nabta Playa & it's somewhat rewriting the understanding about ancient Egypt's connection to inner Africa & it's formation esp. for white Egyptologist . Slowly but surely they are beginning to reassess their narrow minded understanding of Egypt's African( Black) origins; & Nabta Playa is the lynch pin so to speak, that they have to take seriously.
But has this information reached the average person, school child,etc.? That's what I'm concerned about. Until than this information will be known to only the seriously interested, such as here on E.S.
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: Amun-Ra the Ultimate ,
Thank you for the information provided .Maybe I did not make my self clear enough; when I said "mainstream" I should have used" popular " publications that the " average" person would read like National Geographic etc. Like yourself I'm well aware of Nabta Playa & it's somewhat rewriting the understanding about ancient Egypt's connection to inner Africa & it's formation esp. for white Egyptologist . Slowly but surely they are beginning to reassess their narrow minded understanding of Egypt's African( Black) origins; & Nabta Playa is the lynch pin so to speak, that they have to take seriously.
But has this information reached the average person, school child,etc.? That's what I'm concerned about. Until than this information will be known to only the seriously interested, such as here on E.S.
Still you can see the progression. If mainstream egyptologist are forced to rethink their theories on Ancient Egypt origin and publish books, papers and studies about it. This knowledge will eventually trickle down to any popular works, mainly movies and documentaries, since they use (mainstream) egyptology as source of information. At least at the moment, people can't seriously view AE as transplants from Europe or the Middle East but as an indigenous African process (involving trading and relationships with neighboring regions, of course). I agree that we're not there yet. I think things will eventually progress even more with new findings and studies.
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I guess I'm not as optimistic as yourself, at this time. Yes, I can see documentaries by consciousness film makers, be they a person(s) of color or not.Getting finances for such a project will be difficult. As far as" movies' I have little hope for a film about ancient Egypt with a mostly Black cast. Hollywood has to much invested in keeping the "Exodus" narrative alive & well, I'm sure for Easter you will see on broadcast T.V. The "Ten Commandments" which is going on 60 years old, will be shown as it has for Easter for years.
The Status Quo is not eager to present any real new understanding of history about Africa to the public which is esp. in America not that invested in History of any sort. Maybe in the next ten years or so, the stage will be set for a truthful understanding of ancient Egypt & Africa as a whole.
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I forgot to mention that many people get their history from" The History Channel " . Now I have not had cable for years . I refuse to enrich the cable companies. But when I did ; I would tune into the History Channel. When It came to ancient Egypt, it was all the Status Quo, white, & Arabs Egyptologist calling the shots; also National Geographic seemed to have a big hand in their productions about ancient Egypt & I have a very low opinion of N. G. some of the biggest liars around when it comes to ancient Egypt & Africa ! The History Channel reaches millions every week, & that is very disturbing to me that many are getting their history about ancient Egypt from this source .
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quote:Originally posted by Nebsen: I guess I'm not as optimistic as yourself, at this time.
It's not about being optimistic or pessimistic since nobody got a crystal ball. So I won't discuss with you being optimistic vs being pessimistic. But progression in mainstream egyptology is something real that we must take into account. Because, as I said, it eventually become the source of information for various popular works. More archaeological and genetic studies are needed.
quote: Hollywood has to much invested in keeping the "Exodus" narrative alive & well,
I don't know what you mean by the exodus narrative. Care to explain it?
What is the "exodus narrative" you're talking about in relation to the subject at hand? What does it have to do with the ethnic composition of Ancient Egyptians as a whole? I just don't know what you mean.
Asiatics (Aamu) (as well as Kushites, just saying) were often enemies of Ancient Egyptians. There's no doubt that some of those Semites/Jewish people could have been prisoners of war in Ancient Egypt. Then flee it or migrate away at a certain point.
Maybe the future biblical exodee were not even living at Waset (Thebes) or in any main AE town but at the various fortification in the north-eastern part of AE, in the Delta. There were more people of West Asian descents living in the Delta than the rest of Ancient Egypt. We know it, for example, by looking at the name of people/workers, more in the delta are Semitic sounding names.
It's important to realize that while AEians were indigenous black Africans (according to latest archaeological research and genetics) a certain amount of foreign people lived in AE, even conquered it like during the Hyksos rules. This include Asians and Kushites. There was also trading and intermarriage.
AEians say the Hyksos were expelled and build Walls-of-the-Ruler and forts, etc, to protect AE from eastern attacks, but in reality there was always foreign people in AE, at worst as prisoners of war, which could be people involved in the exodus.
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I love E.S Forum, have been since I signed up to become a member in 07'. Their are many members who I have learned a great deal from, & I highly respect, Djehuti being one of them, who is very knowledgeable about ancient Egypt/ Nubia. I hope one day he writes a book on the subject matter. Than their are those who have much bravado & a little knowledge who want to be the "experts" on Ancient Egypt, they show little humility & lots of brashness towards those they feel know less than themselves.
I became enthralled with ancient Egypt in 1954 as a young Black boy in Chicago. We had no internet, no Egypt Search, only the search for "Truth". As an elder, I try to always keep an open mind & open to learning from those much younger than myself, as well as from other elders of my generation. Learning is a life long process, & it's never good to get a" Big Head" for when one does, one, stop the flow of knowledge.With that being said I will conclude our comments on the subject matter. P.S. Going on 70 years old, I feel I'm entitled not to be as optimistic, as shall we say, some one in their 20's; as the song says by Sam Cook " It's Been A Long Time Coming" !
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^^^I don't care if you're optimistic or pessimistic or anything in between. (I care about data and argumentation, not fluff). It still doesn't explain what you mean by the "exodus narrative" in this context. Are you just dropping nonsense without caring to explain it?
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Now just for those who don't understand that Egyptology is a made up pseudo-science just for promoting professional liars, just watch these NEW episodes produced on ancient Egypt.
There are so many flaws that are not really flaws that go 100% against everything you know that it obviously has to be intentional. And this is with all the so called "professional" Egyptologists who are giving their commentary. Like notice how so many Egyptians have full beards, almost looking like somehow Israelites, even though Egyptians rarely wore full beards? Or the Charleton Heston look alikes? Or the fact that none of these clowns wear any of the actual hairstyles found in Egypt? No false beards, no Uraei, no locks or side locks, but this is supposed to be taken seriously? And on top of that you got the black faced mummy of Seqenenre Tao looking like a Typical black African and the actor is white? And then they claim that the 18th dynasty was founded in the South but supported later by slaves from Nubia? Seriously? White supremacy and its bold face frauds know no bounds.
I expect the former colonialist to produce, with their money, images that are agreeable to their world view. Why would the Hunter tell a story detrimental to his hegemony over the Game? Why would the Euro and the Arab tell truths and facts detrimental to their hegemony over the Afr? Two powerful institutions enable perception and control.
"Built in Church and University, deceiving the people continualy. Them brought you here pimps thieves and murderers they sucking the blood of the sufferers. Tell the children the truth (chanted 8x)." -- Bob Marley
CHURCH: Euro and Arab religion make Afrs out as the grandson cursed by and/or the son who disrespected Noah first told in Hebrew sacred literature, interpretations and commentaries.
UNIVERSITY: As if a continuation, science became used to "curse" the Afr since the founding of anthropology, arm in arm with Egyptology, and later ethnology.
Remember Volney's words American enslavers wanted to censor
All the Egyptians, have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says:
'As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...'
In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. . . . . What a subject for meditation, just think, that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!"
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The Triangular Trade was based on race, colour, and continental origin. This is the major impact African blacks will face well into the future. It even effects those non-African blacks sharing much the same phenotypes as Africa's blacks.
S. Sara Monoson (2011) Navigating Race, Class, Polis and Empire: The Place of Empirical Analysis in Aristotle’s Account of Natural Slavery
(36). Alexis de Tocqueville (2003 [1835/1840] 326-50. Democracy in America
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Chancellor Williams spelled out exactly what "West Eurasians" wound up doing, as if by reflex, after settling in ancient Egypt. This is a good time to revist The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Another book essential to understanding what's going on and where we stand in the world game is Enemies: the clash of races by Haki Madhubuti.
And no I'm not endorsing either work 100%. And reading these kind of works from a good 35 years ago requires some tweaking for 2nd decade of the 21st century reality.
I advocate accepting individuals for the person they prove themselves to be but I cannot ignore what history plainly shows about the situation of African blacks -- and descendents worldwide -- how it came to be, and why it's still upheld too widely even today.
In a game of strategy who expects their opponent to play fair? This is certainly not the case in actual world diplomacy. Self-interest is the driving factor not relaying non-slanted factual information.
There are some, maybe many, West Eurasians who are publishing facts countering damage inflicted by science. However, the all powerful everywhere seen West Eurasian visual media are not in that number nor have any interest or intent in joining it. They are in lockstep behind Jewish created Hollywood's invention, the great white image.
It's safe, it makes money, it preserves the colour pyramid with them (West Eurasian caucasoids) at or nearer the apex (Western European white so-called Caucasians). Why go and upset all that for something as immaterial as truth?
Objectivity is a ruse for fools. History is a tool the dominators use for one purpose, and that is to justify their rule.
Since Greco-Roman times the powers that be have recognized the role of history as a tool of oppression, and control. The theft of Egypt, and Black civilizations generally was done to insure that the people writing history maintain their position as "legitimate" guardians of the "truth". A truth in this case that reflects the views of the status quo.
Given the need to use history as a weapon of control, the writers of this history feel no guilt about slavery. They steal other people's history to maintain their status as "world rulers". They know that if you want people to "deify you" you most make the people believe in your power. Making the Egyptians white, insures that people will identify this group with Europeans, and further the lie that Europeans have always been supreme.
Clyde Winters
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There are some, maybe many, West Eurasians who are publishing facts countering damage inflicted by science. However, the all powerful everywhere seen West Eurasian visual media are not in that number nor have any interest or intent in joining it. They are in lockstep behind Jewish created Hollywood's invention, the great white image.
It seems odd to associate a "great white image" to Jewishness. Some so called whites, Doxies right here on Egyptsearch, don't even consider Jews to be "white".
It's true the Hollywood studios are owned by Jews but is the "great white image" a product of their (in many cases being secular Jewish) or is a product of them being part of the much larger group of all "white people" and the fact that they also happen to be Jewish is not the ideological (or biological) motivating element in promoting a "great white image"?
I say this because it is ironic that the small minority Jewish aspect of a person who is supposedly of a much larger majority so called is would is promote a "great white image" to any extent beyond what would be expected to a white owned country, America? It would not seem that their Jewishness is enhancing promotion of a great white image beyond their general so called whiteness or simply giving a majority of customers what it wants to some degree, a positive self image of some kind, in light of the fact that when taken to extreme with the Nazis' Aryan concept:
"Jews were responsible for bringing Negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate."
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, volume 1, chapter XI.
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so if Jews were banned from owning Hollywood studios and non-Jewish white people took over it would be an improvement for blacks?
And if this was done would we also have to consider what proportion is Catholic and what is Protestant ? Would knowing that be informative to how racist or not racist they might be?
Lets do a little research
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Now just for those who don't understand that Egyptology is a made up pseudo-science just for promoting professional liars, just watch these NEW episodes produced on ancient Egypt.
There are so many flaws that are not really flaws that go 100% against everything you know that it obviously has to be intentional. And this is with all the so called "professional" Egyptologists who are giving their commentary. Like notice how so many Egyptians have full beards, almost looking like somehow Israelites, even though Egyptians rarely wore full beards? Or the Charleton Heston look alikes? Or the fact that none of these clowns wear any of the actual hairstyles found in Egypt? No false beards, no Uraei, no locks or side locks, but this is supposed to be taken seriously? And on top of that you got the black faced mummy of Seqenenre Tao looking like a Typical black African and the actor is white? And then they claim that the 18th dynasty was founded in the South but supported later by slaves from Nubia? Seriously? White supremacy and its bold face frauds know no bounds.
Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (English: Second German Television), usually shortened to ZDF,founded in 1961 is a German public-service television broadcaster based in Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate. It is run as an independent non-profit institution, which was founded by all federal states of Germany (Bundesländer).
Don't like what you see? Do something about it Egyptsearch members
Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (English: Second German Television), usually shortened to ZDF,founded in 1961 is a German public-service television broadcaster based in Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate. It is run as an independent non-profit institution, which was founded by all federal states of Germany (Bundesländer).
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Now just for those who don't understand that Egyptology is a made up pseudo-science just for promoting professional liars, just watch these NEW episodes produced on ancient Egypt.
There are so many flaws that are not really flaws that go 100% against everything you know that it obviously has to be intentional. And this is with all the so called "professional" Egyptologists who are giving their commentary. Like notice how so many Egyptians have full beards, almost looking like somehow Israelites, even though Egyptians rarely wore full beards? Or the Charleton Heston look alikes? Or the fact that none of these clowns wear any of the actual hairstyles found in Egypt? No false beards, no Uraei, no locks or side locks, but this is supposed to be taken seriously? And on top of that you got the black faced mummy of Seqenenre Tao looking like a Typical black African and the actor is white? And then they claim that the 18th dynasty was founded in the South but supported later by slaves from Nubia? Seriously? White supremacy and its bold face frauds know no bounds.
I think you're making mountains out of mole hills. I agree that the white-washing of Egypt is a serious problem, but as I and others have said before expect Hollywood and TV productions to be the LAST to end the racist tradition! So please don't raise your blood pressure over something so ubiquitous to the point of mundane.
As for Egyptology, please don't attack the entire profession. Egyptology is a branch of archaeology that deals with Egypt, plain and simple. It is no more pseudo-scientific than Assyriology in Mesopotamia or Hellenology in Greece. Scientifically inaccurate definitely, though it depends on the Egyptologist in question. Tell me, would you consider Egyptologists like Mostafa Gadalla or Ahmed Saleh as pseudo-scientists even though they assert the FACTS that we have been presenting all these years?!
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Gadalla? Yeah. Very pseudo.
His was one of the few book I threw away.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Gadalla? Yeah. Very pseudo.
His was one of the few book I threw away.
Wasn't he the one that said any major African civilizations(even those of the western Sudan) were of non-blacks? But mixed Hamitic's?
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This German movie director is making an Ancient Egyptian movie by using quadroon mulato actors when he know the Ancient Egyptians were black African people. I call that soft racism.
nice Egyptian wall relief.
I like Moustafa Gadalla books. He is not an Afrocentric but he is more pro African and pro African religion then mainstream Egyptology.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Now just for those who don't understand that Egyptology is a made up pseudo-science just for promoting professional liars, just watch these NEW episodes produced on ancient Egypt.
There are so many flaws that are not really flaws that go 100% against everything you know that it obviously has to be intentional. And this is with all the so called "professional" Egyptologists who are giving their commentary. Like notice how so many Egyptians have full beards, almost looking like somehow Israelites, even though Egyptians rarely wore full beards? Or the Charleton Heston look alikes? Or the fact that none of these clowns wear any of the actual hairstyles found in Egypt? No false beards, no Uraei, no locks or side locks, but this is supposed to be taken seriously? And on top of that you got the black faced mummy of Seqenenre Tao looking like a Typical black African and the actor is white? And then they claim that the 18th dynasty was founded in the South but supported later by slaves from Nubia? Seriously? White supremacy and its bold face frauds know no bounds.
I think you're making mountains out of mole hills. I agree that the white-washing of Egypt is a serious problem, but as I and others have said before expect Hollywood and TV productions to be the LAST to end the racist tradition! So please don't raise your blood pressure over something so ubiquitous to the point of mundane.
As for Egyptology, please don't attack the entire profession. Egyptology is a branch of archaeology that deals with Egypt, plain and simple. It is no more pseudo-scientific than Assyriology in Mesopotamia or Hellenology in Greece. Scientifically inaccurate definitely, though it depends on the Egyptologist in question. Tell me, would you consider Egyptologists like Mostafa Gadalla or Ahmed Saleh as pseudo-scientists even though they assert the FACTS that we have been presenting all these years?!
I am attacking the entire profession as the entire profession was created by thieves in the West and not Egyptians, arab or otherwise.
Prior to the discovery of King Tut most artifacts found in Egypt were claimed by European countries under colonial decree.
And the point I was making is that this t.v. show had many Egyptologists spouting outright lies and half truths. So how can I not call a spade a spade. This wasn't just a fictitious movie like the "Scorpion King". It was intended to be factual, scientific and historical, which means they were treating it as scholarship not fiction.
I have no problem with calling Egyptology a profession of liars because they are paid to lie and will always lie in public no matter what those dusty old journals say or hard scientific facts say. Egyptology started out as a way for racist whites to "prove" their superiority over blacks by using their "made up" race science in America and Europe to measure ancient Egyptian skulls to determine their race, in public mummy unwrappings. This was always intended to be a "show" for the white masses, which is why most of these programs are created by Westerners, funded by Westerners and not even promoted in arabic until very recently, when they started putting Arabic actors in the productions. Prior to that most of them used European actors.
And in this particular production the lies are so glaring from what they say to the reenactors it is ridiculous. Like the fact that they keep showing this full bearded guy next to the pharaoh as the high priest purposely making him look like some sort of proto Hebrew, when we know for a fact that most ancient Egyptians did NOT wear full beards. But that is just another layer of overt propaganda, just like the Charlton Heston look alikes seen throughout the battle scenes.
quote: How much was archaeology founded on prejudice? The Archaeology of Race explores the application of racial theory to interpret the past in Britain during the late Victorian and Edwardian period. It investigates how material culture from ancient Egypt and Greece was used to validate the construction of racial hierarchies. Specifically focusing on Francis Galton's ideas around inheritance and race, it explores how the Egyptologist Flinders Petrie applied these in his work in Egypt and in his political beliefs. It examines the professional networks formed by societies, such as the Anthropological Institute, and their widespread use of eugenic ideas in analyzing society.
Archaeology of Race draws on archives and objects from the Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology and the Galton collection at UCL. These collections are used to explore anti-Semitism, skull collecting, New Race theory and physiognomy. These collections give insight into the relationship between Galton and Petrie and place their ideas in historical context.
Even many scientists some think are more "liberal" are holding down the party line, like Nina Jablonski who recently published a book claiming that ancient Egyptians had "different" skin colors, in other words there were white ancient Egyptians and they began to distinguish among skin color in other populations, as in "black" Nubians, which is the same trash they have been saying for the last 300 years.
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^ One could argue that ALL archaeology as conceived by white Westerners was originally done to perpetuate the lie of white/'cockasian' supremacy. But times have changed. Pseudoscience is refuted and replaced with TRUE science. Unfortunately, the entertainment industry is very slow to catch on.
quote:Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: Again, platyrrhine which those actors aren't.
^ Don't make the mistake of identifying blacks with platyrhinne only, anymore than identifying blacks with large everted lips only..
Thin lips??...
No problem
quote:Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: I don't understand the thin lip argument?
Narrow nose??
No problem.
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