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1)GARAMANTES=Ankole,Tutsi and Hima of Uganda and Rwanda. THE ANKOLE-WATUSI CATTLE
2)ADYRMACHIDAE=Zulu,Swazi and Ndembele THE UMHLANGA CEREMONY aka THE REED DANCE
Every year the King would all the virgins in the land to stand infront of him and he would pick the most beautiful to become his wife.
3)TROGLODYTES=The Nuba of Sudan
The Troglodytes hide in holes,caves which they have dugged for themselves from approaching enemy and attack from behind.In the book and documentary 'The last of the Nuba'.The nuba are shown entering and coming out of holes in the ground,where they hide their grain.
4)MACROCEPHALI=Mangbetu tribe of Congo. THE ELONGATED HEADS OF MANGBETU
Many african tribes have elongated heads like kalenjin egyptians,but the mangbetu practice skull elongation. 5)GORGADES=Mbalantu tribe THE MBALANTU WOMEN LONG HAIR
The Mbalantu tribe of Namibia wear their hair long in Eembuvi plaits.
6)AEGIPANES=Vadoma tribe of Zimbabwe. THE VADOMA TWO-TOED TRIBE
The Aegipanes were described by greeks as GOAT-LEGGED Tribe,goat legged as in hoofed,two toes tribe
7)THE MAXYANS AND AUSEANS=The Himba and Herero tribes THE HIMBA SIDE LOCK The maxyans cover themselves in red paint,they have side locks.
8)NULI(NULOI)=Most bantus There certain bantu tribes whose members suffer from high POLYDACTYLY.
9)MACAE=Igbo Tribe of Nigeria IGBO WOMEN MOHAWK HAIRSTYLE
The greeks explained that the Macae lived near the CARTHEGIANS(Mande/Mandinka people)therefore i ruled out the turkana of kenya who also put mohawk hairstyles.
10)MACHLEYS=The Fulani,Fulbe and Woodabe tribes THE FULANI ASSYMETRICAL FACIAL ARTS
The Machleys decorated their faces to look two faced,one side male one side female,This tribal art is done by the fulani-woodabe people especially males,no wonder the greeks saw how they looked like women and thought they were a tribe of aphrodites.
11)SYRBOTAE=Dinka tribe of sudan. THE DINKA aka SABTAH ARE THE TALLEST MEN IN AFRICA The Hebrews,Kalenjin egyptians and proto-bantus called the Dinka/Nuer nation SABTAH,the maasai/samburu nation SEBA,the Luo/anuak nation SABTECHA,the kalenjin egyptian nation RAAMAH,but the kalenjin egyptians called themselves RAAMETCH/RAAMET/RAAMEKH written in heiroglyphs as 'rmT'.
12)OTHERS(because i feel tired). THE HYPERBOREANS(HYPERBOREOI)=The BORANA and BARENTU aka THE ORMA/OROMO. The jews called them SHEBA,they and somalis are descendants of kalenjin soldiers who mated with women of Sumeria,when egypt colonised sumeria.
MACROBIANS=Sabaean Maasai/ samburu. The eastern nilotic maasai,samburu,lotuka and mahra(remnants of maasai sabaeans in yemen)are the only people whose chief diet is milk(usually mixed with cow blood)and meat.the maasai and kalenjin also practise longevity,over 120 years.
SEBENITUS=SEBEI and SABAOT of kenya and uganda The sabaot aka elgon maasai are descendants of maasai mercineries hired to defend egypt against persian invasion,but today they speak kalenjin,due to intermarriages with kalenjin egyptians. THE NASAMONES=TUAREG BERBERS.. This is due to their love for dates.The word BERBER is kalenjin meaning uncivilised/uncultured. CONCLUSION If the people called today southern bantus(niger-congo B)are what greeks called LIBYANS,the people called WESTERN NILOTES are what greeks called AETHIOPIANS,the people called SOUTHERN NILOTES are EGYPTIANS.
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Nice thread LEDAMA, this thread show that African people now leaving south of the Sahara use to be leaving in North Africa in the classical era of history.
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thanks mena7 and Tukuler.let ellaborate further; 1)GARAMANTES=Tutsi,Ankole and Hima Herodotus histories
quote: 183. From Augila at a distance again of ten days' journey there is another hill of salt and spring of water and a great number of fruit-bearing date-palms, as there are also in the other places: and men dwell here who are called the Garmantians, a very great nation, who carry earth to lay over the salt and then sow crops. From this point is the shortest way to the Lotophagoi, for from these it is a journey of thirty days to the country of the Garmantians. Among them also are produced the cattle which feed backwards; and they feed backwards for this reason, because they have their horns bent down forwards, and therefore they walk backwards as they feed; for forwards they cannot go, because the horns run into the ground in front of them; but in nothing else do they differ from other cattle except in this and in the thickness and firmness to the touch [164] of their hide.
2)ADYRMACHIDAE=Zulu,Swazi and Ndembele
herodotus book IV ON adyrmachidae
quote: Now the Libyans have their dwelling as follows: -- Beginning from Egypt, first of the Libyans are settled the Adyrmachidai, who practise for the most part the same customs as the Egyptians, but wear clothing similar to that of the other Libyans. Their women wear a bronze ring [150] upon each leg, and they have long hair on their heads, and when they catch their lice, each one bites her own in retaliation and then throws them away.
ZULU CIRCUMCISION
KALENJIN CIRCUMCISION=TA-RUSIEK "she that celebrates
quote: Their women wear on each leg a ring made of bronze; they let their hair grow long, and when they catch any vermin on their persons, bite it and throw it away. In this they differ from all the other Libyans. They are also the only tribe with whom the custom obtains of bringing all women about to become brides before the king, that he may choose such as are agreeable to him. The Adyrmachidae extend from the borders of Egypt to the harbor called Port Plynus
Swaziland virgins dancing for King Mswati III the same way Herodotus described female virgins dancing for the Libyan Kings.
Swaziland virgins dancing for King Mswati III
Swaziland virgin dancing
Swaziland King Mswati III with wife Lambikiza
Swaziland King Mswati III, Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, DRCongo President Joseph Kabila
Their women wear on each leg a ring made of bronze; they let their hair grow long, and when they catch any vermin on their persons, bite it and throw it away. In this they differ from all the other Libyans. They are also the only tribe with whom the custom obtains of bringing all women about to become brides before the king, that he may choose such as are agreeable to him. The Adyrmachidae extend from the borders of Egypt to the harbor called Port Plynus
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I have to disagree with the inaccurate premise of this thread. Ledama is identifying various modern Sub-Saharan groups with ancient Saharan and Supra-Saharan ones. This is a gross misidentification.
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@djehuti..I really don't see any reason to dissagree here.Because jews 3000yrs ago are still jewish today with the same culture,Hindu dravidians 3000yrs ago still continuing the same culture today,chinese 3000yrs ago are still the same chinese today with the same culture.These same bantu libyans are still the same bantu libyans today with the libyan bantu culture,except they migrated south due to persian and roman persecution.
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when greeks say LAKE TRITONIS what they mean is LAKE CHAD.It is a fact proven by DNA,bantus used to settle in libya,egypt,kordofan and Chad.their migration from north east africa southward is known as BANTU MIGRATION.
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quote:Originally posted by LEDAMA: 1)GARAMANTES=Ankole,Tutsi and Hima of Uganda and Rwanda. THE ANKOLE-WATUSI CATTLE
2)ADYRMACHIDAE=Zulu,Swazi and Ndembele THE UMHLANGA CEREMONY aka THE REED DANCE
Every year the King would all the virgins in the land to stand infront of him and he would pick the most beautiful to become his wife.
3)TROGLODYTES=The Nuba of Sudan
The Troglodytes hide in holes,caves which they have dugged for themselves from approaching enemy and attack from behind.In the book and documentary 'The last of the Nuba'.The nuba are shown entering and coming out of holes in the ground,where they hide their grain.
4)MACROCEPHALI=Mangbetu tribe of Congo. THE ELONGATED HEADS OF MANGBETU
Many african tribes have elongated heads like kalenjin egyptians,but the mangbetu practice skull elongation. 5)GORGADES=Mbalantu tribe THE MBALANTU WOMEN LONG HAIR
The Mbalantu tribe of Namibia wear their hair long in Eembuvi plaits.
6)AEGIPANES=Vadoma tribe of Zimbabwe. THE VADOMA TWO-TOED TRIBE
The Aegipanes were described by greeks as GOAT-LEGGED Tribe,goat legged as in hoofed,two toes tribe
7)THE MAXYANS AND AUSEANS=The Himba and Herero tribes THE HIMBA SIDE LOCK The maxyans cover themselves in red paint,they have side locks.
8)NULI(NULOI)=Most bantus There certain bantu tribes whose members suffer from high POLYDACTYLY.
9)MACAE=Igbo Tribe of Nigeria IGBO WOMEN MOHAWK HAIRSTYLE
The greeks explained that the Macae lived near the CARTHEGIANS(Mande/Mandinka people)therefore i ruled out the turkana of kenya who also put mohawk hairstyles.
10)MACHLEYS=The Fulani,Fulbe and Woodabe tribes THE FULANI ASSYMETRICAL FACIAL ARTS
The Machleys decorated their faces to look two faced,one side male one side female,This tribal art is done by the fulani-woodabe people especially males,no wonder the greeks saw how they looked like women and thought they were a tribe of aphrodites.
11)SYRBOTAE=Dinka tribe of sudan. THE DINKA aka SABTAH ARE THE TALLEST MEN IN AFRICA The Hebrews,Kalenjin egyptians and proto-bantus called the Dinka/Nuer nation SABTAH,the maasai/samburu nation SEBA,the Luo/anuak nation SABTECHA,the kalenjin egyptian nation RAAMAH,but the kalenjin egyptians called themselves RAAMETCH/RAAMET/RAAMEKH written in heiroglyphs as 'rmT'.
12)OTHERS(because i feel tired). THE HYPERBOREANS(HYPERBOREOI)=The BORANA and BARENTU aka THE ORMA/OROMO. The jews called them SHEBA,they and somalis are descendants of kalenjin soldiers who mated with women of Sumeria,when egypt colonised sumeria.
MACROBIANS=Sabaean Maasai/ samburu. The eastern nilotic maasai,samburu,lotuka and mahra(remnants of maasai sabaeans in yemen)are the only people whose chief diet is milk(usually mixed with cow blood)and meat.the maasai and kalenjin also practise longevity,over 120 years.
SEBENITUS=SEBEI and SABAOT of kenya and uganda The sabaot aka elgon maasai are descendants of maasai mercineries hired to defend egypt against persian invasion,but today they speak kalenjin,due to intermarriages with kalenjin egyptians. THE NASAMONES=TUAREG BERBERS.. This is due to their love for dates.The word BERBER is kalenjin meaning uncivilised/uncultured. CONCLUSION If the people called today southern bantus(niger-congo B)are what greeks called LIBYANS,the people called WESTERN NILOTES are what greeks called AETHIOPIANS,the people called SOUTHERN NILOTES are EGYPTIANS.
What are your sources for this history? How did you make these identifications of people?
You should explain your method in reaching these conclusion. If people cite this site for future research, they will make a fool of themselves because the statements above lack any foundation.
What you have written does not agree with Classical sources relating to African populations. Below is my discussion of the Garamantes and Pelasgians Black Greeks
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GARAMANTES
Some of the first African colonists to arrive in Greece came from Crete. These Cretans were called Garamantes. After the goddess Ker or Car, these people also came to be also known as the Carians. The Carians spoke a Mande languages.
These people usually sailed to the Islands in Aegean and the surrounding coast were they established prosperous trading communities.
There is frequent mention of the Garamantes of the Fezzan, in Classical literature of Greece and Rome. The Garamantes were recognized as a Black tribe. They were known to the Greeks and Romans as dark skinned. In Ptolemy (I.8.5.,p.31) a Garamante slave was described as having a body the color of pitch or wholly black.
Graves (1980) and Leo Frobenius linked the Garamante to the ancient empire of Ghana (c.300 BC to A.D. 1100). Graves (1980) claims that the term Garamante is the Greek plural for Garama or Garamas. He said that the present Jarama or Jarma are the descendants of the Garamante; and that the Jarama live near the Niger river.
The Olympian creation myth, as recorded by Pindar in Fragment , and Apollonius Rhodius, makes it clear that the Garamantes early colonized Greece. Their descendants were called Carians. The Carians practiced apiculture. As in Africa the Carians practiced matrilineal descent. According to Herodotus , even up until his time the Carians took the name of their mother.
Many of the Greek myths are historical text which discuss the transition of Greece from an matriarchal society to a patriarchal Aryan society. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyco-Nubians settled around the Black Sea.
The classical Carians and Egyptians were very close. Having originated in the Fertile African Crescent they had similar gods and cultural traditions dating back to the Proto-Saharan period.
The Garamantes founded Attica, where they worked the mines at Laureium. Demeter, the goddess of agriculture and fruitfulness, came from the Fezzan (Libya) by way of Crete. It was Demeter who took poppy seeds and figs to Europe.
Apollonius Rhodius (.iv.1310) tells us that the goddess Athene was born beside Lake Triton in Libya. The goddess Athene, was called Neith by the Egyptians and Nia by the Cretans in Linear A writing. This shows that the Garamantes took this god to Europe in addition to Demeter and Amon (=Ammon ,Amma).
By 3000 BC, the Garamantes has spread their influence to Thrace and early Hellenic Greece. Hesiod, who was a Kadmean (i.e., of Egyptian descent), in Works and Days , said that before the Hellenic invasion the Grecian people lived in peace and tranquility and had matriarchal societies. The name Europe comes from Aerope, the daughter of King Catreus, a Cretan. Thucydides observed that:
"The first person known to us by tradition as having established a navy is Minos. He made himself master of what is now called the Hellenic sea, and ruled over the Cyclades into most of which he sent the first colonies, expelling the Carians and appointing his own sons as governors; and thus did his best to put down piracy in these waters, a necessary step to secure the revenues for his own use".
Thus we find that many Cretans also settled much of mainland southern Europe.
THE PELASGIANS
The Greeks often called the first inhabitants of Greece Pelasgians. The Greek writers claimed that Pelasgus, the great ancestor of the Pelasgians was the first man. The Pelasgians were a combination of diverse Black tribes which included the Achaeans , Kadmeans, and Leleges. The Garamantes were also often called Pelasgians by some classical writers. Strabo said "that the Pelasgi, as indeed the most ancient nation, were diffused through all Greece, and especially among the Aeolians".
The city of Argo was founded by Phoroneus, the father of Pelasgus, Iasus and Agenor. It was these folks who divided the Peloponnese between them.
Herodotus referred to the Pelasgians as "venerable ancestors". He said that the first Athenians "they were Pelasgi, the later possessing the country now designed Hellas". The Pelasgian founding of Athens is also noted by Plutarch in Theseus 12, and Ovid in Metamorphosis vii.402ff. According to Herodotus vii.91, the Pelasgians also founded Thebes in Europe. Pausanias, noted that "The Arcadians make mention of Pelasgus as the first person who existed in their country. From this king the whole region took the name Pilasgia". Hopper noted that the Pelasgians founded Attica.
The Black immigrants from Canaan were also settled in the Aegean at Argolis. They called themselves the "Sons of Abas". Many of the Melampodes later took part of Argolis away from the Canaanites.
The earliest Greek alphabet was made by the Pelasgians, it was lost and later reintroduced by Kadmus to Boeotia. Another Pelasgian, Evander of Arcadia introduced writing to the Italians. This script was used to make the first fifteen characters of the Latin script according to Pliny and Plutarch.
Pliny says that one of the Aegean scripts was created by an Egyptian named Menos. An Egyptian creation of one of the early Greek alphabets is not out of the question because the early Predynastic Egyptians used the Proto-Saharan script as did the founders of the 12th Dynasty. Moreover, the Tiles of Rameses II, published by F. Hitching, in The Mysterious World, are analogous to the early Greek characters.
If you look at what I did I compared the Greek knowledge to modern African groups supporting my interpretation on reliable sources. All you did is just post some pictures which don't even relate to the information provided by the Classical writers. .
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mande were cathegians,libyans were bantus.The cattle discribed by heredotus as belonging to the garamantes is known as ANKOLE-WATUSI and is only found in the great lakes region,especially rwanda,uganda,burundi and eastern congo.the egyptian cattle breed is SANGA,and is used by the south eastern bantus,southern egyptians of thebes and nekhen were south nilotic kalenjin and their cattle was ZEBU,zebu is only owned by nilotic and afro-asiatic(nilotic continuity) speakers.I thought my post was self explanatory,i don't quote my sources because i am an INDEPENDENT RESEARCHER,you really wanna know my source? THE BIBLE IS MY SOURCE. 1st Chronicles 28:19 "the LORD made me understand in writing by his hand upon me, even all the works of this pattern".Posts: 306 | From: Kenya | Registered: Dec 2013
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The Ankole-watusi is also a sanga breed but a special variety,only the TUTSI,HIMA and ANKOLE people traditionally owned the Ankole-watusi cattle,whose horns bend forward as described by herodotus.
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According to the book 'History of Herodotus book 3'; Upon conquering Ancient Egypt, the Persian Emperor Cambyses II sent ambassadors to Macrobia, bringing luxury gifts for the Macrobian King to entice his submission. The Macrobian ruler, who was elected based at least in part on stature, replied instead with a challenge for his Persian counterpart in the form of an unstrung bow: if the Persians could manage to string it, they would have the right to invade his country; but until then, they should [be thankful] that the Macrobians never decided to invade their empire.Herodotus narrates, that, when Cambyses [an ancient Persian emperor] sent ambassadors to the Macrobians, they asked what the Persians had to eat and how long they commonly lived. He was told that they sometimes attained the age of eighty, and that they ate a mass of crushed grain, which they termed bread. On this, they said that it was no wonder, if the Persians died young, when they partook of such rubbish, and that probably they would not survive even so long, but for the wine they drank; while the Macrobians lived on flesh and milk, and survived one hundred and twenty years.
quote: This chapter analyzes how the Maasai of Kenya are presented in three different tourist performances--postcolonial, postindependence, and postmodern. Each site tells a different story, its own tourist tale and version of history, with its own perspective on the role of ethnicity and heritage within the nation-state and in the world community. Using a method of controlled comparison, I expand the theoretical dialogue in tourism debates by departing from the monolithic discourse that has characterized so much of tourism scholarship.
The tall handsome brave masai warrior
The writer Edward M Bruner continues;
quote:My objective in this chapter is to open up the theoretical dialogue in tourism scholarship, and I do so by applying a method of controlled comparison (based on Eggan 1954), showing how one ethnic group, the Maasai, are exhibited for tourists at three different sites in Kenya. Although all three sites present a gendered image of the Maasai warrior (the personification of masculinity), a controlled comparison enables me to describe three ways of producing this image. Accordingly, I demonstrate how the breadth of meanings, ironies, and ambiguities in tourist performances emerges from a critical comparison of the processes of their production. For example, familiar concepts in the literature (such as authenticity, tradition, and heritage) are relevant in only certain touristic contexts. I emphasize the importance of the distinction--not fully appreciated in the anthropological literature--between domestic and foreign tourism , as well as the wide ranging impact of globalization on the staging of local tourism. Further, I show that historically forms of tourism are parallel to forms of ethnographic writing. Finally, I examine the sites in terms of what I call the "questioning gaze," my reference to tourists' expressed doubts about the veracity of what they are seeing and the way their questions and skepticism penetrate the commercial presentation, undermining the producer's dominant narrative.
The Maasai territory reached its largest size in the mid-19th century, and covered almost all of the Great Rift Valley and adjacent lands from Mount Marsabit in the north to Dodoma in the south.[13] At this time the Maasai, as well as the larger Nilotic group they were part of, raised cattle as far east as the Tanga coast in Tanganyika (now mainland Tanzania). Raiders used spears and shields, but were most feared for throwing clubs (orinka) which could be accurately thrown from up to 70 paces (appx. 100 metres). In 1852, there was a report of a concentration of 800 Maasai warriors on the move in what is now Kenya. In 1857, after having depopulated the "Wakuafi wilderness" in what is now southeastern Kenya, Maasai warriors threatened Mombasa on the Kenyan coast.[14][15]
quote: The Maasai people stood against slavery and lived alongside most wild animals with an aversion to eating game and birds. Maasai land now has East Africa's finest game areas. Maasai society never condoned traffic of human beings, and outsiders looking for people to enslave avoided the Maasai.[23]
Though the Maasai people stood against slavery and the traffic of humans beings, they were able to conquer such large areas of land by displacing the people who had previously lived in the area.
ANCIENT MACROBIAN LOCATION ON THE HORN OF AFRICA REGION. Ancient macrobians were known to hebrews as SABAEANS,Gen 10:7
quote: And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
Sabaeans were sons of cush and so they were Nilotes.These ancient sabaeans were ancestors of maasai and samburu.The biblical sabeans were cattle rustlers,maasai are cattle rustlers.Job 1:14-15
quote:14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
.also this bible verse gives a descriptians of sabaeans as tall men Isaiah 45:14,
quote:14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
.sabaeans as tall men who wore beautiful crowns,Ezekiel 23:42
quote:And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.
Dont confuse seba(maasai) with sheba(oromo) .The bible makes this clear distinction in Psalms 72:10
quote:10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
The maasai used to live in the horn of africa region,but migrated south due to influx of afro-asiatic horner groups migrating from Yemen,due to persian invasion of north africa. That is why almost all ethiopians and horners have maasai DNA. Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa
quote:Fourth, a unique East African lactase persistence allele is found at its highest frequency in the Maasai [75] who have about 21% Ethio-Somali ancestry (Table S5). This lactase persistence allele is different from the alleles associated with lactase persistence in Europe [76], [77] or Arabia [78], [79], and likely arose during the last 7,000 years [75]. The Maasai do not have the Arabian lactase persistence allele, which is estimated to have originated about 4,000 years ago (95% CI: 250–27,575) and is present at high frequencies in Arabian populations (>50%) [78], [79]. This Arabian allele is also almost absent in the Somali (1.6%) [79], which further supports our hypothesis that gene flow from Arabia within the last few thousand years cannot explain the non-African ancestry in HOA populations.
quote: Luckily for us, we don’t need to stop here. Dienekes included Behar’s Ethiopians (non-Jews) for Dodecad. Additionally, he included the Masai population from the HapMap. This turns out to be important because he found that Ethiopian Sub-Saharan ancestry is similar to that of the Masai, not the other African groups.
quote:. However, the average African ancestry calculated using the Maasai reference population (CEU-MKK, mean 0.148, sd 0.060) is significantly greater from that calculated using either the Yoruba or Luhya reference populations (p < 0.0001 in both comparison, two-tailed Welch two sample t-test). These data suggest that the source population for the African ancestry of the Yemeni population is more similar to the contemporary Maasai population than either the Luhya or Yoruba.
while in Tijuana, Mexico, I met a guy who had feet identical to the Vadoma, but did not appear any different than typical Mexican.
"AEGIPANES=Vadoma tribe of Zimbabwe. THE VADOMA TWO-TOED TRIBE" - - -
Also, on Madagascar, Dahalo means zebu rustler, but the Dahalo in East Africa are a Cushitic-Khoi tribe of elephant hunters.
"These ancient sabaeans were ancestors of maasai and samburu.The biblical sabeans were cattle rustlers,maasai are cattle rustlers.Job 1:14-15 "
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LEDAMA, I'm looking at this thread on Ancient Libyans. I'm not seeing certain other terms for the ancient Libyan groups.
The oldest known references to the Libu date to Ramesses II and his successor Merneptah, Egyptian rulers of the nineteenth dynasty, during the 13th century BCE. LBW appears as an ethnic name on the Merneptah Stele. It was often mainly identified as the lands west of Ancient Egypt, the home of tribes, or peoples, like the Meshwesh, Peywed, Libu, Tamahu and Garamantians.
LEDAMA, you covered the Garamantians but what about the Meshwesh, Peywed, Libu and Tamahu?
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Bump I'm starting to see this stuff too.
which stuff exactly.or all of them
Mainly how heartlandish the region was. It's little things like in the recent Kemetic vs Hebrew Israelite Hashar accused the Kemetic side of being fake Medjai for going to war without face scars. I searched for a reference and so far I have only found two sources of fiction where Medjai used scarification.
Still looking into it. This is the best historical notation of scarification that I know of.
quote: Two other female mummies, again from the Eleventh Dynasty and from Deir el-Bahri, were found by Herbert E.Winlock in 1923 near the Mentuhotep temple. These bodies appear to exhibit scarification, as well as tattooing, and the pattern of designs is like that of Amunet with geometrically arranged dots and dashes.
He's siting the book Dancing for Hathor.
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Mainly how heartlandish the region was. It's little things like in the recent Kemetic vs Hebrew Israelite Hashar accused the Kemetic side of being fake Medjai for going to war without face scars. I searched for a reference and so far I have only found two sources of fiction where Medjai used scarification.
LEDAMA is an African Hebrew Israelite not an Black American Hebrew Israelite. There is a big difference. He doesn't know who Hashar is and Hashar doesn't even rep the larger American Black Hebrew Israelite groups.
Most of these American groups (not all but most) hate Africans and don't even consider most Africans to be Israelites
So please dont assume they are the same or even know what the other is doing, prolly doesn't even know about the so called "final showdown debate"
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I never heard of an African Hebrew Israelite.
Groups like baLemba (to whom I sent Sepharade sidduriym in memory of my father), Abayudaya, Sefwi Wiawso, the various southern Nigerians among the Igbo and Ibibio (whose rabbi I met when he was given a Sepher Torah and invited me to repatriate to his community), are Jews practicing Hokmath Yisra'el, regular prayer services (if not 3 times a day then at least for Shabbath and Yommiym Tobhiym), adhering to kashruth, and other patterns of the Hebrew way of life just like the worldwide family of the Sepharade Israelites or orthodox Ashkenazi Jews.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: LEDAMA is an African Hebrew Israelite not an Black American Hebrew Israelite. There is a big difference. He doesn't know who Hashar is and Hashar doesn't even rep the larger American Black Hebrew Israelite groups.
Most of these American groups (not all but most) hate Africans and don't even consider most Africans to be Israelites
So please dont assume they are the same or even know what the other is doing, prolly doesn't even know about the so called "final showdown debate" [/QB]
I'm not assuming anything. I'm just referencing info about scarification. I haven't even seen the debate yet. I did order it though.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I never heard of an African Hebrew Israelite.
Groups like baLemba (to whom I sent Sepharade sidduriym in memory of my father), Abayudaya, Sefwi Wiawso, the various southern Nigerians among the Igbo and Ibibio (whose rabbi I met when he was given a Sepher Torah and invited me to repatriate to his community), are Jews practicing Hokmath Yisra'el, regular prayer services (if not 3 times a day then at least for Shabbath and Yommiym Tobhiym), adhering to kashruth, and other patterns of the Hebrew way of life just like the worldwide family of the Sepharade Israelites or orthodox Ashkenazi Jews.
Please explain why the above is not African Hebrew Israelite
There is also the "African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem" in Dimona, Ben Ammi's group, AAs technically but AHDA is the Africa connect in Kenya organized by the Dimona folks
LEDAMA is also from Kenya and what about the other bro in AE, I forget his name who uses the WW2 looking soldier with a helmet icon ?
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= Hem of Jadeskirt (Maya)= north rim of Himalayas = Lapis Lazuli (Abram/Ibrahim/Ebu.le.hem/Ahuram.azda went to get & sell, per Jim Stiinehirt)
Possibly grouped with proto-Papuans (of south coast Black Sea eg. "Ethiopians" of Colchis, but separate from pygmies of south coast Ind Oc.) before contact with Denisovans.
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Chinese name for Greece/Hellanika/Hellene: Xila
My Guess is that Anatolia was stripped of its forests by sheepherding nomads (Catal Huyok was first constructed of mortised timber, this was changed to clay brick due to mass deforestation). But Greece was cooler and forested, perhaps resulting in the name Xila (xylem/silva=wood/forest) which became Hela.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I never heard of an African Hebrew Israelite.
Groups like baLemba (to whom I sent Sepharade sidduriym in memory of my father), Abayudaya, Sefwi Wiawso, the various southern Nigerians among the Igbo and Ibibio (whose rabbi I met when he was given a Sepher Torah and invited me to repatriate to his community), are Jews practicing Hokmath Yisra'el, regular prayer services (if not 3 times a day then at least for Shabbath and Yommiym Tobhiym), adhering to kashruth, and other patterns of the Hebrew way of life just like the worldwide family of the Sepharade Israelites or orthodox Ashkenazi Jews.
Please explain why the above is not African Hebrew Israelite
There is also the "African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem" in Dimona, Ben Ammi's group, AAs technically but AHDA is the Africa connect in Kenya organized by the Dimona folks
LEDAMA is also from Kenya and what about the other bro in AE, I forget his name who uses the WW2 looking soldier with a helmet icon ?
So what?
The AHDC is an AHI org like many other orgs that assist Africans. I don't see where those assisted are HIs or are converting to HI of the Dimona type.
There's a white Jew org Kulanu that assist(ed) Africans. Does that make the Africans they "aid" secular Ashkenazi Jews?
It is well known about Rift Valley peoples and connections between their spiritualities and laws such that the for instance Kenyans readers of Torah see so many similarities in the Laws that some have assumed Lost Tribe theories.
Read some of the Mau Mau narratives. While their oath induction has little Judaic about it they too know that "dreadlocks" is not a hairstyle because its the sign of a vow.
Whether the Kenyans you mention are KOY members they can answer that themselves.
No group used the term HI until the 1960s in the USA from where and whom it has spread. Ben Ammi's original vision of Africa was a wilderness and a step on the return route to Israel just as on the way to the Americas they believe the continental Africans sold them to Europeans.
Times change and things evolve but I didn't know HIs stopped clearly demarcating themselves from continental Africans in us (Shem) vs them (Hham) dichotomy.
African black "Jews" on the other hand have no problem acknowledging their African antecedents just as European white Jews cannot deny their infusions from Europeans.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: LEDAMA, I'm looking at this thread on Ancient Libyans. I'm not seeing certain other terms for the ancient Libyan groups. The oldest known references to the Libu date to Ramesses II and his successor Merneptah, Egyptian rulers of the nineteenth dynasty, during the 13th century BCE. LBW appears as an ethnic name on the Merneptah Stele. It was often mainly identified as the lands west of Ancient Egypt, the home of tribes, or peoples, like the Meshwesh, Peywed, Libu, Tamahu and Garamantians. LEDAMA, you covered the Garamantians but what about the Meshwesh, Peywed, Libu and Tamahu?
Read the topic lioness,it says
quote:ANCIENT LIBYANS ACCORDING TO GREKO-ROMAN HISTORIANS
Ancient egyptians and ancient greeks described libyans differently.meshwesh,peywed,libu,ta-mahu,ta-djenu/ta-henu;these are terms used by ancient egyptians to describe libyans,ofcourse i know who these people are today,but i will describe them in another thread,NOT this one.Right now i am dealing specifically with the terms used by ancient greeks and romans to describe african tribes.Terms like carians,ammonians,lotophagi e.t.c I have taken long to respond,because i am currently very busy.My wife gave birth just last month to my beautiful baby boy,glory be to God.Also yesterday and today we had AGM at the company which i am working with,plus i am taking a BBIT course part time to supplement my MBA here at mount kenya university nakuru.For many kenyans or generally africans,history is a past time thing.It is hard to get any employment if you are a history major.But for me history is a passion,it is like my gulty pleasure,i try to create time for it,now and then.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I never heard of an African Hebrew Israelite. Groups like baLemba (to whom I sent Sepharade sidduriym in memory of my father), Abayudaya, Sefwi Wiawso, the various southern Nigerians among the Igbo and Ibibio (whose rabbi I met when he was given a Sepher Torah and invited me to repatriate to his community), are Jews practicing Hokmath Yisra'el, regular prayer services (if not 3 times a day then at least for Shabbath and Yommiym Tobhiym), adhering to kashruth, and other patterns of the Hebrew way of life just like the worldwide family of the Sepharade Israelites or orthodox Ashkenazi Jews.
Please explain why the above is not African Hebrew Israelite There is also the "African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem" in Dimona, Ben Ammi's group, AAs technically but AHDA is the Africa connect in Kenya organized by the Dimona folks http://africanhebrewdevelopmentagency.com/ LEDAMA is also from Kenya and what about the other bro in AE, I forget his name who uses the WW2 looking soldier with a helmet icon ?
So what? The AHDC is an AHI org like many other orgs that assist Africans. I don't see where those assisted are HIs or are converting to HI of the Dimona type. There's a white Jew org Kulanu that assist(ed) Africans. Does that make the Africans they "aid" secular Ashkenazi Jews? It is well known about Rift Valley peoples and connections between their spiritualities and laws such that the for instance Kenyans readers of Torah see so many similarities in the Laws that some have assumed Lost Tribe theories. Read some of the Mau Mau narratives. While their oath induction has little Judaic about it they too know that "dreadlocks" is not a hairstyle because its the sign of a vow. Whether the Kenyans you mention are KOY members they can answer that themselves. No group used the term HI until the 1960s in the USA from where and whom it has spread. Ben Ammi's original vision of Africa was a wilderness and a step on the return route to Israel just as on the way to the Americas they believe the continental Africans sold them to Europeans. Times change and things evolve but I didn't know HIs stopped clearly demarcating themselves from continental Africans in us (Shem) vs them (Hham) dichotomy. African black "Jews" on the other hand have no problem acknowledging their African antecedents just as European white Jews cannot deny their infusions from Europeans.
Actually i am just a normal christian,i attend an evangelical charismatic church called WINNERS CHAPPEL INTERNATIONAL also known as LIVING FAITH CHURCH WORLDWIDE founded by Bishop Dr David Oyedipo from nigeria.Currently the richest black pastor in the world. But now i am interested in learning about the american black hebrew israelites,let me look them up,and then i'll get back to you.
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quote:Originally posted by LEDAMA: @djehuti..I really don't see any reason to dissagree here.Because jews 3000yrs ago are still jewish today with the same culture,Hindu dravidians 3000yrs ago still continuing the same culture today,chinese 3000yrs ago are still the same chinese today with the same culture.These same bantu libyans are still the same bantu libyans today with the libyan bantu culture,except they migrated south due to persian and roman persecution.
You DO know that the Mbalantu peoples are incorporated into the greater Owambo ethnic group, right? It consists of 12 kingdoms (I should know, I am one.)
The OvaHimba are a part of the OvaHerero (they speak the same language, and keep the same traditions, or kept the same traditions) . The Herero/Himba & Owambo peoples are closely related, they are also related to the Kavango peoples & the Ovimbundu people as well.
We don't have any tales about being "Libyan" , but some bantu-speaking groups say that they came from Egypt, like the Kikuyu of Kenya for example. Obviously, we all migrated south at some point in time, but some say we came from west-africa, some say we came from the north. I'm not 100% sure myself.
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You have to see the documentary footage..you aint gonna see people crawling out of a hole in a book.
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