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Okay it has been suggested by Beyoku that I change the moderator by handing over my account. At first I was opposed to this idea but know I see this as a solution.
Additional suggestions were made by Tukuler about having two alternate moderators to provide checks and balances. I would ask Tukuler because he is one of the few veterans who have a good understanding of African history and is one of the most unbiased. However, I am going to let the posters here discuss this issue.
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Whatever you decide to do please think about it for a week -- 7 24 hour days -- before you actually go forward with it.
Shooting from the hip put ES in its present sorry state.
A lot of thought from all sides and angles is needed to help assure a board that will attract "new talent" with "the right stuff."
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Do you have any suggestions,Tukuler? I would like to hand it over to a passionate and trustworthy person that has more time on their hands than myself to dedicate to this website. The best idea would be probably for posters to pool money together and buy the domain so it would belong to the community.
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Recently I gave up posting for the most part because ideology despite hard facts seemed to be the denominator.
Look, forget any idea of soliciting money from members. Barring corporation, a group of people can't own the domain anyway.
It's a thankless job but someone with moderating experience is vital as is someone who understands where ES is at now and will not be a bigoted axeman.
Also, no rookies just learning the ropes they had no idea of.
And an instant decision snap judgement type is a no no. Patience and deliberation before acting is key (like the wait a day to think about it principle before accepting a job offer).
Please understand this new moderator will either make or break this site PERMANENTLY.
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Okay, I will take heed and follow your advice about waiting. This forum comes with so many complications and has taught me more about human personality than even my time interacting with the public.
Where is all the critics? Don't you have anything to say about the issue? Know is your chance to offer valuable input into the future of this website!
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I'm willing to be a moderator (maybe I will create a different ID for it, I'm not sure), since I'm one of the few still posting new stuff on this forum.
But frankly there's not much to moderate in this forum. Everything seems to be fine. The most annoying thing seems to be the left margin at the moment.
The moderation shouldn't be given to old timers but to people still posting on this forum to move it forward, I'm one of the few regular poster here lately.
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Well, I remember when everybody agreed on Mansa Musa and Yom and those two were newcomers and it was a disaster. Mansa Musa was a moderator over at some anti-stormfront alongside Tyrannosaur so he decided to ditch Egyptsearch and go full time over at the anti-stormfront.org site. I use to talk to him on yahoo instant messenger but he just disappeared or possibly reemerged on here under a different name. Hennu aka Yom also disappeared and vanished without a trace. He still contributes to wikipedia articles about Ethiopia and that is all I know of him.
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Egyptsearch is kind of a sweet spot considering the amount of hits and place on google. If anybody else tried to start another website like this the views and hits would be limited.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Egyptsearch is kind of a sweet spot considering the amount of hits and place on google. If anybody else tried to start another website like this the views and hits would be limited.
There's simply no other sites like it. Other Egyptology forums are also empty as far as I know.
While most moderators like you seems to have left the forum on its own devices. There's still not much to moderate on this forum imo. Argumentations, differences of opinions, brainstorming ideas and concepts is what this forum always has been about. That's why it gets google hits on "obscure" and specific subjects about Ancient Egypt. More discussions about Ancient Egyptian culture would also be welcome but it's filling its purpose as a repository of various knowledge and theory about Ancient Egypt just fine.
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As much as I would like to run away from it but this forum is the only forum bold enough to openly discuss the ''race'' of the ancient Egyptians.
But the reason why it gets hits is because of its position and easy accessibility on google. I guess what keeps people coming back is the controversy, but in America the whole racial aspect is loosing its novelty due to the post modernism.
Egyptology from what I noticed is more popular in Europe than the US.
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Whoever you get for the job needs to be someone who respects the people here, and the general mission and positioning of ES. If there is not much to moderate, you could still do the job with periodic "cleanups," say maybe a bimonthly or quarterly "sweep" of spam etc etc. Despite several weaknesses, ES is unique for its scope and depth, and positioning. There are individual blogs and sites but none combines the diverse efforts of so many hard core students of African history, not just minutiae but a scope that takes in the full range of the African bio-cultural story- from race, to culture to economics, to genetics, and their relation especially to not only ancient Egypt but the entire Nile Valley AND Africa. ES in a way occupies a central position- and its functions, while not perfect, are useful.
--resource base on African bio-culture either for its own sake or for combat elsewhere
-- initial content dump for scholarship and data
-- Wikipedia end run/alternative data source- thus defeating distorters trying to manipulate Wiki's early web search appearances
--Google link reference generator in web searches ranking
--archive site in-depth for older data and newer data
One can add debating forum to the list above as a function that sharpens analysis, produces more data, and
--sobering counterpoint to deeply embedded racist/racialist networks, but also overly enthusiastic "Black Everythang" claimants who sometimes find disappointment that facts and data count for something
--learning resource for others, particular those of African descent, so often swamped with Eurocentric distortion and deception
And as you say, open access in another attractor- it has a negative side: spam and extremism, but also means people feel freer to participate.
The ideal scenario is for disparate venues- individual blogs, Facebook pages, web forums, academic download sites, etc to share and work together, while each still works their particular side of the street- just as the enemies of a balanced African bio-history have positioned themselves in their deep networks. Whether such collaboration and sharing across venues consistently happens remains to be seen, but in the meantime, the positive functions of ES above go forward. I think Tukler's multi-mod share format is worth exploring as an option
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I would moderate. If I was a moderator I would make a lot of changes
The way I would moderate would mainly involve four strongly enforced rules
1) NO INSULTS OR NAME CALLING
Even something like "you're an idiot" etc, would not be permitted (it's not professional. Even though this is a layman's forum I think we could achieve this standard. Insults are useless. I currently insult people defensively in the current no rules situation if I feel it's necessary to protect myself or if somebody makes a racist remark. In a new lioness run system the intitial insult post would be deleted- therefore retaliatory insults by me or anyone else would not be necessary or permitted. Insults are useless, they add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Light making fun of would be permitted or a remark like "you don't know anything" would be permitted
3) NO RACIST REMARKS
black people are... white people are... ^none of that would be permitted, But people would be able to be critical of white or black supremacy. An ideology could be critiqued, not a people as a whole
4) NO MULTIPLE HUGE TEXT REPETITIOUS REPLY POSTS (spam) Long self-authored threads would be permitted but not repeated over and over again as new threads of the same info or threads bumped up over and over again
5) ALL POINTS OF VIEW PERMITTED Afrocentric, Eurocentric etc as long as an ethnic group is not directly insulted in the process
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If after a month members decided by vote they didn't like this stricter rule system I would step down
My basic concept is to run Egyptology as a professional journal would in terms of allowed behaviour Ancient Egypt forum would be left unmoderated, no rules anything goes >> so the best of both worlds would exist
If people are polite I am more fair about it than most people to let them express themselves even when I strongly don't agree. That I think is the key to being a good moderator
If people want a moderator they should see what a fully moderated professional type forum would be like -- not moderation light, not where rules are posted but not enforced
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What would you do about people like Abaza who made it their pathetic existence to spam this forum 24/7? Remember you donot have the ability to ban anybody so people could just totally disregard any of the rules posted and still remain. Do you have that type of time on your hands to police this forum? One thing I have learned from being on this forum is that debating the race of the ancient Egyptians brings out the lunacy in lots of people. Since this is the internet there is no public which usually shames people into remaining civil.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: What would you do about people like Abaza who made it their pathetic existence to spam this forum 24/7? Remember you donot have the ability to ban anybody so people could just totally disregard any of the rules posted and still remain. Do you have that type of time on your hands to police this forum? One thing I have learned from being on this forum is that debating the race of the ancient Egyptians brings out the lunacy in lots of people. Since this is the internet there is no public which usually shames people into remaining civil.
I would only be able to do what I had the power to do. The posts of a serial spammer can be deleted but it's hard to keep up with. However such spammers don't last long. They get tired of their own spamming and move on There aren't any such posters lately anyway
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2. I also predict that Sammy/Neal will NOT allow Tukuler or AMRTU to be Moderators. They ARE already administrating. Someone fell out of favor with them awhile back.
I they weren't interested they would let the site die. Why waste money maintaining the site.
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Hmm, I think it might be in Sammy's interest to leave current content in place and to have light moderation. Strict, heavy handed moderation means regulars will be driven away, which means less participation, and thus less revenue clicks. Since ES content is a prime driver/attractor of traffic via Google searches the current content structure and archive is important to keep people coming, which means more revenue clicks. If the forum is in action with live bodies posting stuff, then it generates content, which pulls traffic, and on which spammers on the other forums can piggyback. If spammers have a "legitimate" forum where they can post, as opposed to empty or bogus "link farms," they are more credible to the search engines. This I imagine is a good selling point for Sammy, to keep those revenue clicks going, provided the spammers leave the legit forums free of their product placements, and thus not drive away the legit content generators.
On the flip side, the content generated keeps solid scholarship fresh with the search engines, helping a more balanced and accurate picture of African bio-history emerge, despite the many distorters, detractors and enemies that want to downplay or destroy that picture. Almost everybody's happy. Sammy gets paid, and African bio-history gets streams of scholarly content, rather than the usual political/nationalist/religion formats that are a dime a dozen on the web. ES' current "open" and "light touch" format has some negatives, but some positives as well on the balance. And of course, to make things better, there is nothing stopping regular posters from ignoring trolls and posting good content.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: Heavy handed moderation means regulars will be driven away, .
what "heavy handed" is is an opinion.
You cannot predict if people would be driven away for Egyptology forum, you don't know. Having no moderation can also drive people away The solution is to leave Anicent Egypt forum unmoderated at the same time
The solution is to try this on a try basis for a month
I propose ausar uses my rule system strictly enforced for a month or let me do it. At a set date a month later members would decide to
1) keep the moderation system 2) revise it 3) discontinue moderation
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Anybody who wants to moderate must list what their rules are and the rule should be clear
If somebody wants to moderate "light handed" then the rules should be few and light But in this case they should still always be enforced The penalty? Thread or post deletion
They worst thing is to post rules and when somebody violates them to, nine times out of ten not do anything about it or simply be absent for weeks or months at a time not knowing what has been going on -or only enforcing rules when others complian in a pm That is what has been going on
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The rules will not work because of the lack of the ability to ban people. No doubt due to the crazies that frequent this website you will have offenders. Some loser with lots of time on their hands will spam this forum repeatedly because they know only the owner can ban people from posting. This website deals with taboo racial issues shunned by the mainstream. The nature of the subject involves discussions about race and history which are utilized for political purposes and invoke hostility because of claims. Most Americans fall into many categories and most mainstream Americans ignore race but the anonymity opens it up and exposes the ugliness people hide.
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Well its a balancing act. Generally those losers have been defeated, by the action of regular posters, with help from the mod in the more over the top cases. And you don't need ads. Page views and valid link refs and hits also garner revenue. Depends on the formula used. I don't think the light touch approach is all bad. There is nothing stopping people now from ignoring the crazies and adding quality info and analysis.
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Hay Ausar you did a stand up job on this site during it's glory days ,your id issues well that caught me by surprise, but meant little difference to me just that I have to picture you a little differently,thanks for the knowledge that you and the other vets provided.
As to what folks want to do hey they can fix this or become active on ESR or migrate elsewhere I don't think we are heavy handed in moderation and we do try to be fair but ESR is not ES the feel is different and that's not a bad thing.
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For the record – what are the standard features on this car when you hand over the keys? ie what can a moderator do? You are listed as a moderator and not an admin —
Sound like you are saying that you cannot ban people only delete or modify threads? Which is all that is really needed.
The second thing is – Be aware that white people are scared of black people. Having a black moderator will scare white people off. Think of your neighborhood. Infact think about the other sections of this forum. White people like to hear themselves talk. So if you are hoping to garner newcomers who are white then “openly’ disclosing there is a baclk moderator will drive white challenegers away. And you guys enjoy beating up on them..
We already have a very good forum which is well maintained and disciplined. ESR. It is growing quickly. The challenge will be to draw in “white” posters. That will make ES&E grow.
ESR is becoming a far better FACTUAL forum.for people looking for in-deepth information on hsitroy etc . So keeping ES& E “loose” may be the answer. I agree with Z-man. My advice to Tukuler its to set up a new account as “BiRacial Man” or something
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Hay Ausar you did a stand up job on this site during it's glory days ,your id issues well that caught me by surprise, but meant little difference to me just that I have to picture a little differently,thanks for the knowledge that you and the other vets provided.
As to what folks want to do hey they can fix this or become active on ESR or migrate elsewhere I don't think we are heavy handed in moderation and we do try to be fair but ESR is not ES the feel is different and that's not a bad thing.
I don't see people direct insulting each other on ESR
also I don't see spam attacks
it's good
The big problem with ESR is the name and that awful orange color There also should be some pictures of Egypt and Africa behind the Egyptsearch Reloaded banner at top, the thing is boring as hell. Again the name " Egyptsearch Reloaded" is probably the worst name for a website in the world Also the Lodge should be listed before the Lounge on the front page, because that's where Egyptology is, is supposed to be the main focus the site also needs some informal sections for socializing talk. Maybe some kind of books selling business could be linked up
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Hay Ausar you did a stand up job on this site during it's glory days ,your id issues well that caught me by surprise, but meant little difference to me just that I have to picture a little differently,thanks for the knowledge that you and the other vets provided.
As to what folks want to do hey they can fix this or become active on ESR or migrate elsewhere I don't think we are heavy handed in moderation and we do try to be fair but ESR is not ES the feel is different and that's not a bad thing.
I don't see people direct insulting each other on ESR
also I don't see spam attacks
it's good
The big problem with ESR is the name and that awful orange color There also should be some pictures of Egypt and Africa behind the Egyptsearch Reloaded banner at top, the thing is boring as hell. Again the name " Egyptsearch Reloaded" is probably the worst name for a website in the world Also the Lodge should be listed before the Lounge on the front page, because that's where Egyptology is, is supposed to be the main focus the site also needs some informal sections for socializing talk. Maybe some kind of books selling business could be linked up
Actually Egyptology is not a main anything it's just one of many folders, Bass and others set up the color scheme we all voted on it.so if primary members want to change the look we are open,and folks who kliked on do not go gattdamn look at the orangy back drop im outta here,as to the name it stays it was conceived of when just about everyone here was convinced ES was on it's last legs possibly weeks of shutting down for good so when folks doing search can find something familiar in the name.
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We already have a very good forum which is well maintained and disciplined. ESR. It is growing quickly. The challenge will be to draw in “white” posters. That will make ES&E grow.
^another reason that Egyptsearch Reloaded is a bad name, (assuming more whites are needed)
the shier type of white people see the word "Egyptsearch" and they might know of this site which is primarily black and get scared
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Lioness you are missing what Xyyman said The challenge will be to draw in “white” posters. That will make ES&E grow.
ESR have white folks and others from all over just that they tend not to be trolls and even if one is a troll one must be a well behaved troll. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: the name it stays it was conceived of when just about everyone here was convinced ES was on it's last legs possibly weeks of shutting down for good so when folks doing search can find something familiar in the name.
It's a terrible name and you have just outined why it is. the name is based on another site, this site and is based on this site shutting down and this site hasn't shut down It's 2014 what are you a vulture circling for years waiting for ES to die? somebody should do a thread in ESR calling for a name change vote, be your own site not a copied named
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Lioness you are missing what Xyyman said The challenge will be to draw in “white” posters. That will make ES&E grow.
ESR have white folks and others from all over just that they tend not to be trolls and even if one is a troll one must be a well behaved troll.
tell xyyman he doesn't realize apparently, why would he say draw in “white” posters if they are already there?
Also didn't xyyman say his grandmother was a Polish white woman?
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No! we will do no such thang the name as terrible as you say it is now have recognition,too late for that.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [QB] No! we will do no such thang the name as terrible as you say it is now have recognition,
oh yeah it's a household word now, I forgot
maybe you should start another website "The New York Times Reloaded"
Just put the word "reloaded" after anything famous- guaranteed hits
Yup no need to reinvent the wheel as posters do not confuse ES and ESR , if Charles disrupt the flow of traffic by placing a new then it's on him he ownz it and btw we also linked posting especially archived between ESR and ES so ES got some lov too.
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I think too think "Egyptsearch reloaded" is not a good name and just makes the site look like a secondary Egyptsearch. I think the name should be changed to something like "Nile Valley Research". I also find that name to also be more "balanced".
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Agreed too late for a name change ESR already has recognition and hits through Google.
Plus - I have seen where companies have several names/links and clicking on the link re-directs to ONE site. Maybe if someone buys ES then combining ESR with ES with Brada as Admin. He does a good job on ESR. He is not as high strung as Swenet banning people at every opportunity on FB. (sic)
@ Lioness- yeah you missed it. But I agree the color scheme need some work on ESR and a "chat/gossip/Love and marriage section" can be experimented with. But that should be discussed within ESR.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: No! we will do no such thang the name as terrible as you say it is now have recognition,too late for that.
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If I remember correctly the 1st two yeras at ESR averaged about 32hits per day. Which was not encouraging. But we stuck with it. And we do have regular posters there. Alhtough ESR is more upperty!!
Recently it went up to .800hits per day. Last couple of months has seen spikes between 300-600 per day. Not sure why. With over 300members and growing, plus lurkers and would expect more hits.
Wasn't it you who posted ahit count for ESR at about 10,000per year?
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ESR and ES are and always will be blood relatives. Each works its own way and with its own feel. Each has its set of regular posters, damn good members, who make ESR & ES what they are. Some are more comfortable there, others (roughnecks and cutthroats) like here, then there's those who do them both.
I mean really who expected a 1:1 clone?
And here's a shot of Lagavulin to Mr Charlie Bass creator of ESR the only viable ES successor!
Alright then, refill now and toast to the good Brada Anansi host extrordinaire for taking ESR to the heights of success!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: If I remember correctly the 1st two yeras at ESR averaged about 32hits per day. Which was not encouraging. But we stuck with it. And we do have regular posters there. Alhtough ESR is more upperty!!
Recently it went up to .800hits per day. Last couple of months has seen spikes between 300-600 per day. Not sure why. With over 300members and growing, plus lurkers and would expect more hits.
Wasn't it you who posted ahit count for ESR at about 10,000per year?
300-600 hits a day with 800 per day hit spikes is not spectacular but fair enough and growing. No one ever expected NY times level stats. ESR had an eye on ES's demise when it was started, but it was never expected to match ES' number of hits. ES goes back almost a decade on the web. No one ever claimed ESR would suddenly be an instant clone. And as Anansi says, ESR also touches on broader issues rather than mostly say the fine detail of DNA studies. That is there, but the focus is on a broad panorama, covering a fuller range of Africa and Africa related topics. The latest DNA from Europe gets no special precedence. Spike counts could be related to when ESR members sally forth on various web venues and link to ESR pages. I have done a lot of that, but there could be other reasons.
ES and ESR can work together, just as the deep white networks collaborate together. ES can still serve as a major content generator in a "loose" format, while ESR works on a broader brush but at the same time more moderated "tighter" format. Another collaborative model is for ESR to focus on those "bigger picture" subjects, while mirroring SOME content from ES. Either model could work, and in fact is working so now in many cases. The cross sharing of content means that some of those 800 per day spikes also must include people reading or searching for good, similar content. ESR thus does not need legions of members or CNN type numbas for "validation." People are picking up the flow of data, which is a crucial part of the whole exercise in the first place. The 2 reinforce one another. Personal blogs can tap and tie into all. A key is sharing and cooperation but unlike the white networks, which are tying together stuff from Facebook, blogs, forums and standard sites, that collaboration is not as strong on our side of the fence.
But whoever takes over I believe would understand the important positioning and functioning of ES. Sure they will need to clean up spam and so on, but they would be sympathetic also to the need for an African-centered forum that using good scholarship, presents an accurate and balanced view of African bio-history, and is thus able to hold its own against better financed, better coordinated hordes of deceivers, distorters and detractors. They would not stifle forums with heavy-handed supervision but strike the right balance- so there is the right mix of freedom, yet decorum, and yes, Sammy gets paid per page view or whatever. Fair enough, even steven.
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Compare with the open source, open opportunity debate on ES and ESR. On ESR there have been a number of "biodiversity" posters. They are given a fair chance to speak their piece, and engage in fair debate as long as their is no personal attacks or racist content.
By contrast, the white forum, supposedly so objective, right away censors out free debate and scholarly content so that their "amen corner" of whiteness is preserved. Here again is an illustration as to why ES and ESR are important. Note how ironic how white claimants prattle about "civilized discussion" but when put to the test, make sure their is NO discussion, showing they show their true, hypocritical colors.
Posts regarding the racial origins of the ancient Egyptians, i.e. were they black - were they white, are not welcome here and will likely be locked or deleted.
Why?
Because they always end up bringing out the lunatics, fringe theorists and general nut cases and invariably end up in racist flame wars. In an ideal world it would be great to have a civilised discussion about the origins of the ancient Egyptian race. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world.
Thank you for your understanding.
^^OH WE "UNDERSTAND" QUITE WELL, HYPOCRITES.
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zarahan feels the race of the Egyptians is an important topic that should be discussed
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Actually I have posted plenty NOT about that. And you yourself are obsessed with it, alleged "sista".. or is that "Svenska"... lol.. In any event- a new mod is already selected. You lose out again, "sista"... Posts: 5905 | From: The Hammer | Registered: Aug 2008
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