Berbers are Africans. Both anthropologically and genetically. In fact E1b1b is an older African linage compared to E1b1a found in 80% of SSA. Meaning berber leneage have existed in Africa long before the classical SSA E1b1a.
I am not into linguistics but I understand AA is older than Niger-Kordafian? ...
and your retort is?
quote:Originally posted by Linda Fahr: Which berber is originally African native?
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So what are they hiding? So yDNA E is NOT associated with the Bantu Expansion. I just can’t get over these “unpublished data and personal communication”
------- Signatures of the Preagricultural Peopling Processes in Sub-Saharan Africa as Revealed by the Phylogeography of Early Y Chromosome Lineages -Chiara Batini,_,1,2 Gianmarco Ferri,
Quote: association with Bantu-speaking populations, as previously reported (see supplementary table S1, Supplementary Material online; Beleza et al. 2005; Berniell-Lee et al. 2009). Within-clade variation suggests a more recent origin for B2a than B2b, whereas network analysis did not reveal population- specific or geographically localized STR-based clusters (supplementary fig. S1, Supplementary Material online). However, the relatively deep within-clade dating (6.1 [2.2–14] Kya) suggests a scenario possibly ***pre-dating ***the diffusion of Bantu languages, in line with what has been observed for some subclades of hg E (Montano V, Destro-Bisol G, Comas D, personal communication). Deeper phylogenetic resolution within the B2a clade, coupled with additional population sampling, may help to clarify the demographic dynamics associated with its dispersal.” ------
As I said there is no such thing as the Bantu Expansion from West Africa. None!
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The female lineage is also African. Haplotypes of mtDNA H found in Europe is a subset of Haplotypes found in Africa. Kefi et al 2014 and 2016? and "Pillars of Hercules" paper.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So a people's ancestry is only determined by the male DNA ?
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In case you did not get it. World renown Geneticist Dr Comas is secretly telling the author that yDNA subclade E is not reflective of the Bantu expansion. It never occurred. But he does that through “personal communication”.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So what are they hiding? So yDNA E is NOT associated with the Bantu Expansion. I just can’t get over these “unpublished data and personal communication”
------- Signatures of the Preagricultural Peopling Processes in Sub-Saharan Africa as Revealed by the Phylogeography of Early Y Chromosome Lineages -Chiara Batini,_,1,2 Gianmarco Ferri,
Quote: association with Bantu-speaking populations, as previously reported (see supplementary table S1, Supplementary Material online; Beleza et al. 2005; Berniell-Lee et al. 2009). Within-clade variation suggests a more recent origin for B2a than B2b, whereas network analysis did not reveal population- specific or geographically localized STR-based clusters (supplementary fig. S1, Supplementary Material online). However, the relatively deep within-clade dating (6.1 [2.2–14] Kya) suggests a scenario possibly ***pre-dating ***the diffusion of Bantu languages, in line with what has been observed for some subclades of hg E (Montano V, Destro-Bisol G, Comas D, personal communication). Deeper phylogenetic resolution within the B2a clade, coupled with additional population sampling, may help to clarify the demographic dynamics associated with its dispersal.” ------
As I said there is no such thing as the Bantu Expansion from West Africa. None!
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Dispersals and genetic adaptation of Bantu-speaking populations in Africa and North America
Etienne Patin1,2,3,*, Science 05 May 2017
Bantu languages are spoken by about 310 million Africans, yet the genetic history of Bantu-speaking populations remains largely unexplored. We generated genomic data for 1318 individuals from 35 populations in western central Africa, where Bantu languages originated. We found that early Bantu speakers first moved southward, through the equatorial rainforest, before spreading toward eastern and southern Africa. We also found that genetic adaptation of Bantu speakers was facilitated by admixture with local populations, particularly for the HLA and LCT loci. Finally, we identified a major contribution of western central African Bantu speakers to the ancestry of African Americans, whose genomes present no strong signals of natural selection. Together, these results highlight the contribution of Bantu-speaking peoples to the complex genetic history of Africans and African Americans.
We found a local excess of eastern African an- cestry in the LCT region of eBSPs, and the intro- gressed variants were those that also showed the strongest positive selection scores of the region [Fig. 3, B and E] [10]. Simulations indicated that the high frequency of these variants in eBSPs [up to 30% in the Bakiga eBSP and <1% in wBSPs] [fig. S13D and table S8] could not be explained by strong drift or continuous gene flow from eastern Africans [P < 0.0001] [fig. S17 and table S10]. These observations support a model in which eBSPs acquired the lactase persistence trait from eastern Africans [20] and illustrate that the rapid adaptation of human populations migrating to new environments can be facilitated by admix- ture with local populations.
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Most ethnic groups are patrilineal. West Africans and Bantu speaking tribes are also most patrilineal. That means your father's ethnic group is your ethnic group. So, your Father's Y chromosome does determine your ethnic group.
In most societies, today. We inherit our father's surname.
The main Bantu Family Language speakers' and West African Y chromosome DNA SNP is E1b1a.
Rameses and Pentawer were both E1b1a.
Perhaps, the Ancient Egyptians really were Negroes of the West African type. Perhaps, Moses and the Israelites were too.
These E1b1a Ancient Egyptians, may have voluntarily left or were pushed out of Kemet early in its history. That would explain alot of similarities between AE, Nubia and the rest of the continent.
Tribal wars, genocide and slavery may have targeted Negroes along the Nile River for centuries or millenia.
If you look at the mtDNA L sequences along the Nile River of people living today and compare them to test results of African descendants in the New World, you can see many EXACT MATCHES.
Often, genocide means killing off them and keeping the women for sex/marriage.
It is even a possibility that Negroes were enslaved in Egypt in the 1700's or 1800's and enslaved in the Americas. I read a story about I man who was enslaved in West Africa, brought to Nubia and Egypt for slavery and then sold to Russia as a slave, then ended up in the USA about 1867. Our ties to Egypt/Nubia may be closer that we can imagine, unfortunately.
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