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Found a link to this in ESR. So Calcolithic Maadi had been occupied by migration from the Middle East??

"There was also apparently some degree of social differentiation: “In the variability of their contents, Maadi’s hundreds of graves indicate at least some social ranking, but it is the functional changes in the community that are the most important. Many hundreds of Syro-Palestinian pots have been found at Maadi, reflecting strong connections to Syro-Palestine and, probably to the evolving Uruk-Jemdet Nasr states of Greater Mesopotamia. Caneva and her co-workers report that Maadi’s lithics also tie it ‘in a wide network of communication, including the Levant and reaching northern Syria’ (1989, p.291)” (Wenke 1991, p.300). There were no burial structures visible: “As far as can be ascertained, a proper grave architecture was still unknown during the time of the Maadi Culture. The deceased were put singly into simple oval pits” (Seeher 1992, p.228). However, Midant-Reynes highlights a number of inconsistencies: “There is a clear separation between Maadian settlements and cemeteries, but the presence of human bones in the disturbed remains of the Maadi settlement as well as the discovery of an unburnt human skull in a hearth suggests that there may have been certain aspects of their funerary practices that we do not yet fully understand (Midant-Reynes 1992/2000 p.215)"


http://faiyum.com/html/chalcolithic__maadi-buto_.html#Maad-Buto

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How does the presence of Syro-Palestinian pottery mean the presence of Syro-Palestinian people?? You realize that such pottery was also found among the graves of Nubian Qustul tombs. Does this mean there were Syro-Palestinians in Nubia?
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Often the presence of a cultural artifacts in a region would suggest the the people to which it belonged were native to it. So What i'm asking is: what available research suggests that Syro-Palestinians weren't significantly present in the formation and early dynastic periods despite the presence of their cultural artifacts????
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^ There is such a thing as TRADE i.e. imports and exports. In ancient times, foreign items were often luxury items. Just because there are grave goods containing foreign goods does not necessarily mean there were foreign people in the area.
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Yes but if it was trade why do you see evidence of settlements and hundreds cemeteries in Maadi? They're calling it the Maadi culture. It wasn't just goods it sounds like they found people.
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The pottery is simple and undecorated and shows, in some forms, strong connections to Southern Israel. People lived in small huts, partly dug into the ground. The dead were buried in cemeteries, but with few burial goods. The Maadi culture was replaced by the Naqada III culture; whether this happened by conquest or infiltration is still an open question

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This is also what Patricia Smith says about some of these samples. None seem to have been as distinctly "lower Egyptian" as some of the 1st dynasty royal Egyptians from Abydos.

On Maadi South (left):
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https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/most_ancient.pdf [/qb]


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But then how do you establish a dichotomy between North-South if Gezreh started in the North and moved South? I'm probably missing something here but it doesn't hurt to ask lol
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^ The Gerzeh Culture a.k.a. Naqada II though prominent in the Faiyum area which was the southernmost part of the Delta, was a continuation of Naqada I culture a.k.a. Amratian Culture named after the type site el Amrah in Upper Egypt south of Abydos in Upper Egypt. Gerzeh was basically an intrusion of Upper Egyptian culture into the north.

But there was always a dichotomy between Lower and Upper Egypt even after the intrusion of Naqada to the north. What makes you think such dichotomy was due to Syro-Palestinian peole in the north?! And no pottery alone is not evidence for the people themselves!
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Yes but if it was trade why do you see evidence of settlements and hundreds cemeteries in Maadi? They're calling it the Maadi culture. It wasn't just goods it sounds like they found people.

You must be seriously confused. What does Maadi culture have to do with Syro-Palestinian pottery other than that they imported such pottery from the Levant?!! Do you not know the difference between domestic pottery and imported pottery? Better yet, how do you confuse imported pottery for the entire culture let alone people??!

Seriously, I think you need to go over the questions I pose to you above.

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