...
EgyptSearch Forums Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» EgyptSearch Forums » Egyptology » The Neanderthal and Aterian and Mousterian in North Africa

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: The Neanderthal and Aterian and Mousterian in North Africa
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The Neanderthal specimen was found in Israel, but somehow it couldn't interact with African species. Was the Neanderthal limited? I wonder how come? No wait, the Neanderthal originally came from Africa. And many specimen of species from Africa have been found at the Levant (Qaftzeh). smh


We also know that the Aterian and Mousterian are placed within the same time and region. This especially is important to know. [Big Grin]
quote:
 -

The southern most Neanderthal in the world (Amud Cave, Israel)

http://smnh.tau.ac.il/eng/gallery/anthropoligia

quote:

 -


To the above can be seen the Homo sapiens neanderthalensis Amud 1 skull, discovered in Israel. It is estimated that the owner of this skull would have stood 1.80 meters (5 feet, 11 inch es) tall. Its brain volume is the largest so far encountered for Neanderthals, at 1,740 cubic centimeters.

—HARUN YAHYA.THE NEANDERTHALS:
A HUMAN RACE

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Age-estimates ranging from 50 to 70 ky were obtained for the Mousterian deposits of Amud Cave in Israel from thermoluminescence measurements performed on 19 burnt flints. The late dates obtained for the stratigraphic layers bearing hominid remains confirm the evidence for the late presence of Neanderthals in the Levant. The dates enable a more effective comparison of the lithic assemblages from Amud Cave with those of other contemporaneous sites and underline the variability within Mousterian lithic industries at the end of the Middle Palaeolithic in the Levant.
—H. Valladas. et al.

TL Dates for the Neanderthal Site of the Amud Cave, Israel
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/ViktoriyaShchupak.shtml

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here is the diamond in the rough,

quote:

North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two 'industries' are instead variants of the same entity. Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.

—Dibble HL et al.

On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb.

J Hum Evol. 2013 Mar;64(3):194-210. doi: 10.1016/j.jhevol.2012.10.010. Epub 2013 Feb 9.


quote:

Aterian and Mousterian in North Africa


The sites in Northern Africa in country of Libya were researched because of the multiple Aterian stone tools found in the surrounding areas. The Aterian is another specialized industry similar to the Mousterian and the Levallois found in the Middle Paleolithic. The hominid species that occupied this area (modern humans) appeared to be "modern" by the types of artifacts that they
left behind.

—Cremaschi, Mauro, et al. "Some Insights on the Aterian in the Libyan Sahara: Chronology,
Environment, and Archeology." African Archaeological, Vol. 15, No. 4. 1998.

http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/P314/MSA%20reports/Aterian.pdf


quote:

Extended Data Figure 4: Dating results for Area C.
 -


A key event in human evolution is the expansion of modern humans of African origin across Eurasia between 60 and 40 thousand years (kyr) before present (BP), replacing all other forms of hominins1. Owing to the scarcity of human fossils from this period, these ancestors of all present-day non-African modern populations remain largely enigmatic. Here we describe a partial calvaria, recently discovered at Manot Cave (Western Galilee, Israel) and dated to 54.7 ± 5.5 kyr BP (arithmetic mean ± 2 standard deviations) by uranium–thorium dating, that sheds light on this crucial event. The overall shape and discrete morphological features of the Manot 1 calvaria demonstrate that this partial skull is unequivocally modern. It is similar in shape to recent African skulls as well as to European skulls from the Upper Palaeolithic period, but different from most other early anatomically modern humans in the Levant. This suggests that the Manot people could be closely related to the first modern humans who later successfully colonized Europe. Thus, the anatomical features used to support the ‘assimilation model’ in Europe might not have been inherited from European Neanderthals, but rather from earlier Levantine populations. Moreover, at present, Manot 1 is the only modern human specimen to provide evidence that during the Middle to Upper Palaeolithic interface, both modern humans and Neanderthals contemporaneously inhabited the southern Levant, close in time to the likely interbreeding event with Neanderthals2, 3.


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v520/n7546/images/nature14134-st2.jpg
Extended Data Table 2 | Manot 1 calvaria morphology compared with an Upper Palaeolithic European specimen, Neanderthals and present- day humans


—Israel Hershkovitz et al.

Levantine cranium from Manot Cave (Israel) foreshadows the first European modern humans

Nature 520, 216–219 (09 April 2015)

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v520/n7546/full/nature14134.html?message-global=remove

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally, the Aterian was considered to be the final phase of the local Mousterian/Middle Palaeolithic tradition, and thus mostly younger than 40 ka. Current data support a more asynchronous view. Integrating new dates for the sites of El Harhoura and El Mnasra with those from other sites published recently (Barton et al., 2009; Richter et al., 2010; Schwenninger et al., 2010; Jacobs et al., 2011) suggest an older chronology, with a range of between 112 and 50 ka. Sub-divisions within the Aterian have been also recognized for some time, but based entirely on typology (Ruhlmann, 1945; Antoine, 1950a, b; Balout, 1955; Roche, 1969). Recently, Jacobs et al. (2012) proposed four phases to the MP/Aterian history in the Maghreb:

The traditional interpretation has been that the Aterian represents a local facies of the North African Mousterian, sometimes described as an ‘evolved Mousterian’ (Tixier, 1959; Balout, 1965), or as an ‘Epi- Mousterian’ (Bordes, 1961). From a technological perspective, the characterization of the generalized North African MP/MSA is not simple. Techno-typological definitions of the non-Aterian MP/MSA industries in the Maghreb are unclear: Aumassip (2001) suggests a relative rarity of retouched tools and a relatively high frequency of sidescrapers, while for others abundant and diversified side- scrapers mainly produced on Levallois blanks are what characterize non-Aterian MP/MSA assemblages in the area (Wengler, 2010: 68). However, non-Aterian regional variation in the MSA is high. Aumassip (2004) identifies a number of traditions within a scheme of Mousterian variation very similar to European Mousterian facies e (a) Mousterian of Acheulean tradition, rich in small bifaces and Levallois debitage, frequent in Morocco and the Maghrebian Sahara; (b) Denticulate Mousterian in Egypt and the Maghreb, rich in denticulates and notches; (c) Typical Mousterian across North Africa; (d) Ferrassie-type Mousterian in the Maghreb, rich in scrapers and points and without bifaces; (e) Nubian Mousterian in Egypt and Sudan, characterized by the Levallois production of Nubian points, as well as (f) the Khormusan, a distinct facies of the Sudanese record (Marks, 1968; Goder-Goldeger, 2013). However, Aumassip’s classification of the non-Aterian MP/MSA of North Africa has been criticized on the grounds that it uses a European rather than African framework, and specifically excludes a number of sites from this North African ‘Mousterian’ variation e those described by Clark and others as ‘Middle Stone Age’ in Niger and Mali, and a set of very localized industries, such as those from M’zab and Dede in Algeria. To these, one could add the Pre-Aurignacian of Cyrenaica (McBurney, 1967). This highlights the point made earlier, that to understand the Aterian and its relationship to the MSA requires a broader comparative approach to technology, and that comparative framework must be Africa.

Aterian origins have usually been thought to lie in the Maghreb (Debènath et al., 1986; Pasty, 1997), although this view has been strongly criticized (Kleindienst, 1998: 8). Alternative origins have been suggested in sub-Saharan Africa, pointing to affinities with industries with foliates, such as the Lupemban and Sangoan (Caton- Thompson, 1946; Clark, 1982, 2008; Kleindienst, 1998; Wengler, 2010; Garcea, 2012). Sub-Saharan links are pertinent, since all human fossil remains found in association with the Aterian are those of H. sapiens, thus representing one of the main regional early human populations of Africa prior to the colonization of Eurasia.

We would argue that the Central Sahara occupies a pivotal place in the origins and dispersals of modern humans, and that the MSA of Africa is the context in which we should be developing hypotheses. Following the re-dating of key Maghrebian sites, the recognition of the North African MSA diversity, and of its place within a broader complex of Mode 3 African industries, the Aterian could be considered as one among several MSA traditions that may have existed in North Africa.

Although these need chronological definition, MSA-making hominins could have occupied North Africa and the Sahara during several wet phases, both before and after MIS5, while the expansion of the Aterian during this latter period is consistent with the expansion of modern humans, and MSA sites and traditions, throughout Africa. Furthermore, Aterian and non-Aterian MSA assemblages are temporally interstratified at certain sites as Ifri N’Ammar in Morocco (Mikdad and Eiwanger, 2000; Jacobs et al., 2011) or El Guettar in Tunisia (Aouadi- Abdeljaouad and Belhouchet, 2008, 2012). Such dynamic demographic responses to changes in socio-ecological environments have been mapped in other MSA traditions of Africa, such as the Howieson’s Poort (Jacobs et al., 2008).


--Robert A. Foley er al.

The Middle Stone Age of the Central Sahara: Biogeographical opportunities and technological strategies in later human evolution

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Spanish investigators believe they may have found proof that neanderthal man reached Europe from Africa not just via the Middle East but by sailing, swimming or floating across the Strait of Gibraltar.

[…]

Cabililla de Benzú, in the Spanish north African enclave of Ceuta, are remarkably similar to those found in southern Spain, investigators said. Stone tools at the site correspond to the middle palaeolithic period, when neanderthal man emerged, and resemble those found across Spain.

"This could break the paradigm of most investigators, who have refused to believe in any contact in the palaeolithic era between southern Europe and northern Africa," investigator José Ramos explained in the University of Cadiz's research journal.

[…]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/16/spain.science
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
 -


—Saioa López et al.

Human Dispersal Out of Africa: A Lasting Debate

Evol Bioinform Online. 2015; 11(Suppl 2): 57–68.
Published online 2016 Apr 21. doi: 10.4137/EBO.S33489
PMCID: PMC4844272

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844272/

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Elite Diasporan
Administrator
Member # 22000

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Elite Diasporan     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Good **** Ish.
Posts: 1248 | From: NY | Registered: Sep 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus:
Good **** Ish.

Next:


quote:
This is ∼2.1 (95% CI: 1.7–2.9) times longer than the TMRCA of A00 and other extant modern human Y-chromosome lineages. This estimate suggests that the Y-chromosome divergence mirrors the population divergence of Neandertals and modern human ancestors, and it refutes alternative scenarios of a relatively recent or super-archaic origin of Neandertal Y chromosomes.
—Fernando L. et al.

The Divergence of Neandertal and Modern Human Y Chromosomes - april2016


quote:
Genotyping of a DNA sample that was submitted to a commercial genetic-testing facility demonstrated that the Y chromosome of this African American individual carried the ancestral state of all known Y chromosome SNPs. To further characterize this lineage, which we dubbed A00 (see Figure S1, available online, for proposed nomenclature), we sequenced multiple regions (totaling ∼240 kb) of the X-degenerate portion of this chromosome, as well as a subset of these regions (∼180 kb) on a chromosome belonging to the previously known basal lineage A1b (which we rename here as A0).
—Michael F. Hammer Fernando L. Mendez et al.

An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
xyyman
Member
Member # 13597

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for xyyman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
In 1960, mining operations in the Jebel Irhoud massif 55 km southeast of Safi, Morocco exposed a Palaeolithic site in the Pleistocene filling of a karstic network. An almost complete skull (Irhoud 1) was accidentally unearthed in 1961, prompting excavations that yielded an adult braincase (Irhoud 2)4, an immature mandible (Irhoud 3)5,
an immature humeral shaft6, an immature ilium7 and a fragment of a mandible8, associated with abundant faunal remains and Levallois stone-tool technology6. Although these human remains were all reported to come from the bottom of the archaeological deposits, only the precise location of the humeral shaft was recorded. The interpretation of the Irhoud hominins has long been complicated
by persistent uncertainties surrounding their geological age. They were initially considered to be around 40 thousand years (kyr) old and an African form of Neanderthals9. However, these affinities have been challenged5,10,11 and the faunal8 and microfaunal12 evidence supported a Middle Pleistocene age for the site. An attempt to date one
of the hominins directly by uranium series combined with electron spin resonance (U-series/ESR)3 suggested an age of 160 ± 16 kyr (ref. 13).
Consistent with some genetic evidence14,

--------------------
Without data you are just another person with an opinion - Deming

Posts: 10246 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If there were Meanderthals in Africa and they mixed with humans in Africa thatn humans in Africa would carry Neanderthal DNA and it would be of a different type than Neanderthal DNA from a different region
Posts: 32679 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
xyyman
Member
Member # 13597

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for xyyman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
"If"? And I agree there weren't "Meanderthals" in Africa and no where else. Just kidding i know it ia typo.

How can still argue that there weren't Neanderthal IN Africa when neanderthal originated IN Africa. Neanderthal is a DEAD line and as many other "homos".

--------------------
Without data you are just another person with an opinion - Deming

Posts: 10246 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DD'eDeN
Member
Member # 21966

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for DD'eDeN     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
160ka Greece

ScienceDirect Navigation
Journal of Human Evolution
August 2017, Vol.109:22–29, doi:10.1016/j.jhevol.2017.04.008
U-series dating and classification of the Apidima 2 hominin from Mani Peninsula, Southern Greece
Antonis BartsiokasJuan Luis ArsuagaRainer Grün
Show more
Check for full text accessPurchase $19.95Get Full Text Elsewhere
Abstract
Laser ablation U-series dating results on a human cranial bone fragment from Apidima, on the western cost of the Mani Peninsula, Southern Greece, indicate a minimum age of 160,000 years. The dated cranial fragment belongs to Apidima 2, which preserves the facial skeleton and a large part of the braincase, lacking the occipital bone. The morphology of the preserved regions of the cranium, and especially that of the facial skeleton, indicates that the fossil belongs to the Neanderthal clade. The dating of the fossil at a minimum age of 160,000 years shows that most of the Neanderthal traits were already present in the MIS 6 and perhaps earlier. This makes Apidima 2 the earliest known fossil with a clear Neanderthal facial morphology. Together with the nearby younger Neanderthal specimens from Lakonis and Kalamakia, the Apidima crania are of crucial importance for the evolution of Neanderthals in the area during the Middle to Late Pleistocene. It can be expected that systematic direct dating of the other human fossils from this area will elucidate our understanding of Neanderthal evolution and demise.

Keywords
ApidimaGreeceNeanderthalU-series datingTaxonomy

--------------------
xyambuatlaya

Posts: 1833 | From: Miami | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
If there were Meanderthals in Africa and they mixed with humans in Africa thatn humans in Africa would carry Neanderthal DNA and it would be of a different type than Neanderthal DNA from a different region

This topic is obviously too overwhelming for you.
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DD'eDeN
Member
Member # 21966

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for DD'eDeN     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
https://www.academia.edu/33549565/The_North_African_Middle_Stone_Age_and_its_place_in_recent_human_evolution?auto=download&campaign=weekly_digest

Nice map on p. 123 of watersheds and alluvial plains of northern Africa now and in past, and list of Homo spp. specimens

- - -

An earlier revolution: genetic and genomic analyses reveal pre- existing cultural differences leading to Neolithization

Archaeological evidence shows that, in the long run, Neolitization (the transition from foraging to food production) was associated with demographic growth. We used two methods (patterns of linkage disequilibrium from whole-genome SNPs and MSMC estimates on genomes) to reconstruct the demographic profiles for respectively 64 and 24 modern-day populations with contrasting lifestyles across the Old World (sub-Saharan Africa, southeastern Asia, Siberia). Surprisingly, in all regions, food producers had larger effective population sizes (N e) than foragers already 20 k years ago, well before...

--------------------
xyambuatlaya

Posts: 1833 | From: Miami | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
In 1960, mining operations in the Jebel Irhoud massif 55 km southeast of Safi, Morocco exposed a Palaeolithic site in the Pleistocene filling of a karstic network. An almost complete skull (Irhoud 1) was accidentally unearthed in 1961, prompting excavations that yielded an adult braincase (Irhoud 2)4, an immature mandible (Irhoud 3)5,
an immature humeral shaft6, an immature ilium7 and a fragment of a mandible8, associated with abundant faunal remains and Levallois stone-tool technology6. Although these human remains were all reported to come from the bottom of the archaeological deposits, only the precise location of the humeral shaft was recorded. The interpretation of the Irhoud hominins has long been complicated
by persistent uncertainties surrounding their geological age. They were initially considered to be around 40 thousand years (kyr) old and an African form of Neanderthals9. However, these affinities have been challenged5,10,11 and the faunal8 and microfaunal12 evidence supported a Middle Pleistocene age for the site. An attempt to date one
of the hominins directly by uranium series combined with electron spin resonance (U-series/ESR)3 suggested an age of 160 ± 16 kyr (ref. 13).
Consistent with some genetic evidence14,

Well observed, "old and an African form of Neanderthals"

—New fossils from Jebel Irhoud, Morocco and the pan-African origin of Homo sapiens

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
"If"? And I agree there weren't "Meanderthals" in Africa and no where else. Just kidding i know it ia typo.

How can still argue that there weren't Neanderthal IN Africa when neanderthal originated IN Africa. Neanderthal is a DEAD line and as many other "homos".

Of course the eurocentrist was going announce this, so it still can be used against Africa (Africans) as a premise for back migration.
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The Neanderthals, like humans were also probably varied in appearance according to regions they were in.
If there were Neanderthals in Africa and they mixed with humans in Africa than humans in Africa would carry Neanderthal DNA to that extent.
If there were Neanderthals in Africa they may not have mixed with humans.

Posts: 32679 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The Neanderthals, like humans were also probably varied in appearance according to regions they were in.
If there were Neanderthals in Africa and they mixed with humans in Africa than humans in Africa would carry Neanderthal DNA to that extent.
If there were Neanderthals in Africa they may not have mixed with humans.

The clue here is that during those days small pockets of homo sapiens sapiens roamed Africa. Most most likely never interacted with one another. Some did mix with "Neanderthals" and others did not.
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DD'eDeN
Member
Member # 21966

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for DD'eDeN     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
As MP noted at Sci.anthropology.paleo, during cold spells, neanderthals moved south from Europe, those settling in one of 3 southward peninsulas Italy, Iberia, Greece became cold adapted more so than those who crossed down to Levant & Oman, and had unique genetic & morphologic traits. This was also true of H antecessor etc.

--------------------
xyambuatlaya

Posts: 1833 | From: Miami | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It is also funny that they claim that the last of Neanderthals died out at the Strait of Gibraltar, they claim they could not have entered for 400.000 years. Yet, Cro-Magnons could enter Africa at the Strait of Gibraltar, 30Kya magically all of a sudden. But vs was not possible. lol
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
More of this bigotry and troll science.


quote:
Basal Eurasian is a genetic component of an early, prehistoric branch of West Eurasian of Near Easterners, that was notably lacking in Neanderthal admixture compared to other Out of Africa populations.[1]

—Iosif Lazaridis et al. 2016, Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East, Nature 536, 419–424, (25 August 2016)


And …

quote:
The ‘Basal Eurasians’ are a lineage hypothesized
—Iosif Lazaridis et al. (2016 )

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
In continuation of Neanderthal ancestry irony science:


quote:
By extrapolation, we infer that the Basal Eurasian population had lower Neanderthal ancestry than non-Basal Eurasian populations and possibly none (ninety-five percent confidence interval truncated at zero of 0-60%; Fig. 2; Methods). The finding of little if any Neanderthal ancestry in Basal Eurasians could be explained if the Neanderthal admixture into modern humans 50,000-60,000 years ago 11 largely occurred after the splitting of the Basal Eurasians from other non-Africans
—Iosif Lazaridis et al. (2016)

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ghost populations also lurk in ancient DNA. While analysing high-quality genomes of a Neanderthal and a Denisovan, a team led by Reich and Montgomery Slatkin at the University of California, Berkeley, noticed a peculiar pattern: present-day sub-Saharan Africans are more closely related to Neanderthals than they are to Denisovans 4. But evidence from other ancient genomes suggested that the two archaic groups were equally related to present-day Africans. After weighing the possibilities, the scientists realized that they might have uncovered another ghost population.

[…]

These discoveries are only the beginning. The Akey and Reich teams found that the genomes of east Asians possess, on average, slightly more Neanderthal DNA than do people of European ancestry. Akey sees this as possible evidence that Neanderthals interbred with ancient humans on at least two separate occasions: once with the ancestors of all Eurasians, and later with a population ancestral only to east Asians. And Akey believes that humans are likely to bear genetic scraps from other extinct species, including some that interbred with the ancestors of humans in sub-Saharan Africa.

[…]


http://www.nature.com/news/human-evolution-the-neanderthal-in-the-family-1.14932
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
 -
Posts: 32679 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^^^

quote:
"haplogroup CF and DE molecular ancestors first evolved inside Africa and subsequently contributed as Y chromosome founders to pioneering migrations that successfully colonized Asia. While not proof, the DE and CF bifurcation (Figure 8d ) is consistent with independent colonization impulses possibly occurring in a short time interval."
--Peter A. Underhill , Toomas Kivisild - 2007

Use of Y Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Population Structure in Tracing Human Migrations

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
In 1960, mining operations in the Jebel Irhoud massif 55 km southeast of Safi, Morocco exposed a Palaeolithic site in the Pleistocene filling of a karstic network. An almost complete skull (Irhoud 1) was accidentally unearthed in 1961, prompting excavations that yielded an adult braincase (Irhoud 2)4, an immature mandible (Irhoud 3)5,
an immature humeral shaft6, an immature ilium7 and a fragment of a mandible8, associated with abundant faunal remains and Levallois stone-tool technology6. Although these human remains were all reported to come from the bottom of the archaeological deposits, only the precise location of the humeral shaft was recorded. The interpretation of the Irhoud hominins has long been complicated
by persistent uncertainties surrounding their geological age. They were initially considered to be around 40 thousand years (kyr) old and an African form of Neanderthals9. However, these affinities have been challenged5,10,11 and the faunal8 and microfaunal12 evidence supported a Middle Pleistocene age for the site. An attempt to date one
of the hominins directly by uranium series combined with electron spin resonance (U-series/ESR)3 suggested an age of 160 ± 16 kyr (ref. 13).
Consistent with some genetic evidence14,

To get back to this, I've noticed something very ironic in the crania.

Compare the Jebel Irhoud to the "recent" African crania from the Morton collection.


 -

 -

 -

L-606-968. Negro, Born in Africa. This labeling system is characteristic of all the Morton specimens. The Original Morton Collection number is “968.” The L-606-” prefix was added after the collection was transferred to Penn in the mid-1960s (L=loan; 606 is a consecutive loan series number specific to the Morton Collection within the Penn Museum’s cataloging system.


https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/a-historical-osteobiography-of-the-african-crania-in-the-morton-collection/

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
.


1982 Version:


 -


Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] I didn't know Neanderthal is considered to be Homo Sapiens.... [Big Grin] Homo sapiens? neanderthalensis [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Technically it indeed is not possible, considering that Homo Sapiens Sapiens came after the Neaderthals, with Homo Sapiens Sapiens meaning "modern man".

Noun 1. modern man - subspecies of Homo sapiensmodern man - subspecies of Homo sapiens; includes all modern races
Homo sapiens sapiens

genus Homo - type genus of the family Hominidae
Homo sapiens - the only surviving hominid; species to which modern man belongs; bipedal primate having language and ability to make and use complex tools; brain volume at least 1400 cc


1. also Ne·an·der·tal (-tôl′, -täl′)
a. A species of extinct hominins (Homo neanderthalensis) that lived throughout most of Europe and western and central Asia during the late Pleistocene Epoch until about 30,000 years ago. Members of this species had a large skull and stocky build and are associated with Middle Paleolithic tools.
b. An individual belonging to this species.
2. Slang A crude, boorish, or slow-witted person.


Great observation.

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
capra
Member
Member # 22737

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for capra     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anatomically modern humans did not lcome "after"
quote:
Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] I didn't know Neanderthal is considered to be Homo Sapiens.... [Big Grin] Homo sapiens? neanderthalensis [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Neanderthal can be considered either a separate species of human, Homo neanderthalis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens, Homo sapiens neanderthalis. The concept of species is not well defined, different experts have different opinions.
Posts: 397 | From: Canada | Registered: Mar 2017  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
https://blog.britishmuseum.org/violence-and-climate-change-in-prehistoric-egypt-and-sudan/

of the 61 men, women and children buried at Jebel Sahaba, at least 45% of them died of inflicted wounds
Clearly, the conflict was brutal and seems to have been fairly constant, as healed injuries have also been observed.

_____________________

wikipedia

Cranial analysis of the Jebel Sahaba fossils found that they shared osteological affinities with a hominid series from Wadi Halfa in Sudan.[6] Additionally, comparison of the limb proportions of the Jebel Sahaba skeletal remains with those of various ancient and recent series indicated that they were most similar in body shape to the examined modern populations from Sub-Saharan Africa (viz. 19th century fossils belonging to the San population, 19th century West Africa fossils, 19th and 20th century Pygmy fossils, and mid-20th century fossils culled from Kenya and Uganda in East Africa). However, the Jebel Sahaba specimens were post-cranially distinct from the Iberomaurusians and other coeval series from North Africa, and they were also morphologically remote from later Nubia skeletal series and from fossils belonging to the Mesolithic Natufian culture of the Levant.[7]


[6] Bräuer, G. (1978). "The morphological differentiation of anatomically modern man in Africa, with special regard to recent finds from East Africa". Zeitschrift für Morphologie und Anthropologie: 266–292. Retrieved 29 September 2017.

[7] Holliday, T. W. (2015). "Population affinities of the Jebel Sahaba skeletal sample: Limb proportion evidence". International Journal of Osteoarchaeology. 25 (4): 466–476. Retrieved 29 September 2017.


 -

Posts: 32679 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Recently, I read that the Neanderthal skull found in North Africa, in fact is of an archaic African Homo Sapiens and not of a Neanderthal as they though.Sincerely I don't believe Neanderthal had intellectual capacity go built boats to cross the Strait of Gibraltar.


Oldest Fossils of Homo Sapiens Found in Morocco, Altering History of Our Species.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/science/human-fossils-morocco.html

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Actually, I read on published in English, Siberian News Page, that they still have Neanderthals living among them in their region.

In many Siberian villages, women, children and teenagers no longer can leave their homes at day time, without protection of their family relatives, because they are kidnapped, raped, killed and "eaten" by Neanderthals, living in the region. They published few pictures of them arrested in their News page. Indeed, they looked weird to me.

But, what chocked me the most, was a News I recently read on RT News-Russia Television news page, about a Russian married couple, that killed and ate 30 of their neighbors, but may be many more as they still investigating.

The Russian police found pictures taken by the married couple, of cocked human head decorated with fruits over the table read to be eaten by them, and other gross pictures of dead body parts on their refrigerator.

This horrible pictures was published by Daily Mail as well, that sent their reporter to Russia to covered the case.

Watch out, you never know who your Eurasian neighbor may be... [Big Grin]

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by capra:
Anatomically modern humans did not lcome "after"
quote:
Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] I didn't know Neanderthal is considered to be Homo Sapiens.... [Big Grin] Homo sapiens? neanderthalensis [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Neanderthal can be considered either a separate species of human, Homo neanderthalis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens, Homo sapiens neanderthalis. The concept of species is not well defined, different experts have different opinions.
This image says it all.

 -

Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Why historians and geneticists insist to say that Neanderthal is extinct if Modern humans, mostly European and Asians still carry their DNA?

They are not extinct, they still alive and well, in billions of modern humans!

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ish Gebor,

Actually, I do not considered a hominid to be a Homo Sapiens. Neanderthal was a "Hominid". But, you have the rights to elevated Neanderthal as Homo Sapiens as you wishes...

By the way, it is emerging a new theory of a new Hominid evolved from Orangutan monkey...You know that red hairy monkey from South and Central Asia.
They even went on to say, that this Hominid migrated to Africa, and interbreed with African hominids given the raise African Hominids, which in reality is otherwise...

I think they are desperate to minimize the fact that Asians and Europeans carry more than one hominid DNA. As we well know, Europeans and Asians carry the hominid Neanderthal DNA, would be too much for their own self racial superiority delusions to accept that they carry more than 2 Hominids, and monkeys DNAs?
Now...I am expecting a variety of news about that, and not from a few sources as we having now.

Few other South Asian hominids, which has been hided, or as they said, they are unknown by scientists are the hominid evolved from Proboscis, and Rhesus monkeys. It did not emerged until now, because of an European theory of long nose to be a mutation due to cold weather adaptation.

Actually, I think is possible that an African hominid which migrated to South Asia, interbreed with those 3 monkeys - Rhesus, Orangutan, Proboscis, resulting a new Asian hominids with their anatomical characteristics, including red and very thick hairs, long nose and very large nose, and rh positive(Rhesus factor).

These new Asian Hominids interbreed with African Homo Sapiens, resulting on new anatomical characteristics of Central and South modern humans.

As these modern South and Central Asians migrated to Siberia and West, they brought their mixed hominids and Human DNA into Near East, Caucasus, and Europe with them. I think none of those monkeys evolved themselves into hominids, instead they interbreed with African hominids which migrated into Eastern and South Asia.

Now...on the beginning those modern humans were fine anatomically, in fact, Caucasians,Europeans, Central Asians and South Asians - Indians, considered themselves the beautiful and perfect modern humans in the world, in fact, they all deeply discriminate against Subsaharan Africans. But, what they are not saying are the genetic diseases they carry, due to recessive genetic disorders such as Progeria, Hemophilia, Vestigial tails, Cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease, and a variety of Motor neurone diseases, among others, which may be related to early interbreed with monkeys? There is only one case of Progeria in Africa. In the region colonized by Europeans. The child was not pure African.

In my opinion archeologists should dig in regions like Romania, Siberia, India, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, China and of course the entire Caucasus region, where those Hominids lived and entered the West...a particular region that should be excavate is "Aria" - an ancient name for the region between Iran and Afghanistan, from where lots of Asians entered the West. There must be an archaic Asian human, or very close to be fully human,or even a nice Asian Hominids bones, which carried Proboscis, Orangutan, and Rhesus monkeys DNAs.

Archeologists and geneticists must find a way to stop these diseases and gross anatomical deformity that are destroying "HUMANS" anatomy. Their noses are growing enormously, beside suffering gross deformities, but instead in China and Korea, they are concentrating their genetic efforts to make their rich people more genetically intelligent.

Image in 100 generations from now? part of their noses will be removed, hundred of millions more will born as victims of neurological diseases, without muscles definition arched legs, and cardiovascular diseases as well...

Now, should pure African Homo Sapiens interbreed with these modern humans? I live that to their own decisions. But, at least, the pure perfect Humans of Subsahara African regions, should be preserved? I think the Nubas and few villages of Congo still have perfect homo sapiens sapiens anatomy.

Actually, I think the only place in the world which still living pure Homo Sapiens Sapiens without gross genetic diseases and anatomical deformations are few isolate regions of Subsahara...

Here is what I am talking about. It is how Proboscis monkey DNA still living in modern humans, making their noses grown with out limits of normal anatomy.

A turkish man nose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikiYvsNx77k

Here is the picture of Proboscis monkey nose
http://www.factzoo.com/mammals/proboscis-monkey-one-big-nose.html

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
capra
Member
Member # 22737

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for capra     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^ you are so surreally stupid that it makes your virulent racism kind of cute lol. but you should probably take it to whatever outer darkness mike111 is gnashing his teeth in these days.
Posts: 397 | From: Canada | Registered: Mar 2017  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
capra
Member
Member # 22737

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for capra     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i am calling you a racist because you are a batshit crazy racist. you make up bizarre theories about how other races are defective sub-humans who came into existence through bestiality. an SS man would pause in the middle of machine-gunning Jewish children to raise his eyebrows at your racism.

i suppose you are mentally ill, like mena. take your meds, they're good for you.

Posts: 397 | From: Canada | Registered: Mar 2017  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
capra

Your English is so disgusting. I am wondering who were your parents, and what kind of education you grew up with,and which "SLUM" you come from.

Of course, you never traveled or lived in Europe.
Now, go to Israel, and see what will happening to you. In fact, Israelis are imprisoning all black emigrants, and given them 60 days to leave Israel.

In Europe, black people are considered subhumans, and the majority of black emigrants working in odd jobs, or sale drugs to survive

In fact, I never saw one black people on the Hotels, restaurants, nor in parties I was invited in Europe. Blacks in Europe live segregated in poor neighborhoods. They live among poor arabs and North Africans way from Central Paris and London.

Now, if you want to kiss their ass, it is up to you....and good luck LOL...

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Elmaestro
Moderator
Member # 22566

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Elmaestro     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
@Linda,
I don't think this is the place to vent and display your racial insecurities fam. I understand you might have an Identity problem being a mulatto/quadroon or whatever but this isn't the thread or even the section for all of that... You should consider opening a micro-aggression thread in Deshret.

Posts: 760 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 2016  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
@elmaestro

Calm Mr.Morgue, stop barking and listen!

I am surprised that you are claiming to be biological researcher and don't know what is going on on scientific researches of Orangutans? Do you know that Orangutan proved to be useful in further understanding of human genetic diseases?

Now, if you are a Biological research as you are claiming to be, how can you disclaiming the possibility of an interbreed among an Asian Hominid with Orangutan and other monkeys such as Proboscis and Rhesus monkey on distant past? Do you know if their chromosomes could match, and created a hybrid offspring, which became a new Asian Hominid on it's own? There is a great possibility, because is well known that chromosomes matched among humans and hominids? and billions of humans carry hominids DNA? You don't know, but, scientists are looking into it.

In fact, in accordance to American and German scientists, was Orangutan which migrated to Africa to generated African hominids, because Orangutan is anatomically close to humans than Chimpanzees.

Now, take your own conclusions, but please use your brains if you have any, and explain why they are changing human evolution history from Africa to South Asia? It is quite suspicious to me, taking in consideration that Chimpanzee can walk upright, while Orangutan still struggle to walk on it's two legs, even with human help, and living their lives mostly in trees.

Beside, Mr. Morgue, humans share 97% DNA with Chimpanzees and 96% with Orangutan. As I know chromosomes diverged hominids diverged from chimpanzees , that's why we share almost the same number of chromosomes? Or I am racist because I am saying humans are somehow related to Chimps? Why don't you call the scientists and geneticists which made the discovery racists?

By the way, instead barking calling me racist, because I am realist, why don't you do something about all genetic diseases inherit by humans, instead take care of humans after they died?

In fact, so far the only man taking recessive genetic diseases seriously, and promised to invest few billions on research to eradicate those genetic diseases is a multi billionaire America Jewish guy owner of Facebook called Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan, what I think it is one the greatest thing they can achieve in their life time.

About humans having sex with Orangutan and other animals, can you deny that? Unless you are a practitioner yourself.

Do you know that in accordance of oral history of Indonesians and Malaysians related to Orangutan having sex to local humans? It was part of their culture since ancient times, until today, where they have Orangutan female brothels. By the way, wasn't me that trafficked Orangutan from South Asia to work in European brothels. Actually, I am in shock that zoophilia practice still lawful in many European countries and American states. In Romania it is so common, that Romanian politicians can't pass a law to eradicate zoophilia.

Beside being racial aggressive you are also stupid and ignorant of what Humans are doing to created hybrid humans, not only in Europe, but also in Africa.

Do you about humans and chimpanzees experiences done on the Russian lab in West Africa? Yes, in the same region where the famous albino gorilla named Snowflake was born. It was stopped after the French government found about. Do you know that the Russians scientists went to Africa to experience on African females, to created a super Russian chimpanzee hybrid army?

You can read more about that in the link below...
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/stalins-ape-man-superwarriors/

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Linda Fahr
Suspended
Member # 21979

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Linda Fahr   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Now...the insecure around here are you, which want to denied that Europeans and Asians carry subhuman DNA from Neanderthal, and other Hominids extincted in South Asia. Perhaps because you are Neanderthal DNA carrier? Possible....as billions of humans do... And I am sure, only a creep Morgue creature like you are worrying about that, because Europeans and Asians don't give an damnnn, and are going on with their lives...

Oh...please, don't tried to elevated Neanderthal to Homo Sapiens, because scientifically it is NOT....accept who you are without corrupting the history of evolution LOL...

--------------------
---lnnnnn*

Posts: 198 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Elmaestro
Moderator
Member # 22566

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Elmaestro     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
 -

[...]


uh...So, you gonna open the "Triggered Hybrid" thread in Deshret or nah?

Posts: 760 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 2016  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
the lioness,
Member
Member # 17353

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for the lioness,     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm not having trash in my forum
Posts: 32679 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ish Gebor
Member
Member # 18264

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ish Gebor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
Why historians and geneticists insist to say that Neanderthal is extinct if Modern humans, mostly European and Asians still carry their DNA?

They are not extinct, they still alive and well, in billions of modern humans!

Did you not read what I have posted here in this thread. It also found in Africans. And it’s not sure if it was actually an African archaic species that left mark in all modern people.

Secondly, the reason why they spoke of extinct is because it was based on physical anthropology not genetics. Difference is they had a long timespan.


quote:

Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).

The African Neanderthal people used the common Levoiso-Mousterian tool kit originally discovered in Europe. The Nenderthal skeletons mainly come from Djebel Irhoud and El Guettar (Ki-Zerbo,1981). Later Neanderthal people used the Aterian tool kit.

Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). Unesco General History of Africa Vol. 1: Methodology and African Prehistory


quote:
Originally posted by Linda Fahr:
Actually, I do not considered a hominid to be a Homo Sapiens. Neanderthal was a "Hominid". But, you have the rights to elevated Neanderthal as Homo Sapiens as you wishes...

I said the opposite, meaning I do not consider them Homo sapiens sapiens.
Posts: 19028 | From: pAsidaw SIGILLUM SECRETUM | Registered: Nov 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Autshumato
Junior Member
Member # 22722

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Autshumato     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Can we take these discussions to a Reddit sub? The mods here are way aggressive.

But for the most part, Linda is on the right path.

--------------------
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”

Posts: 116 | From: Southern Africa(Azania) | Registered: Mar 2017  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | EgyptSearch!

(c) 2015 EgyptSearch.com

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3