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Ish Geber
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^How does the pictorial graph of those stamps translate into specimen?


Well,...
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Más de cien años ha permanecido la momia guanche mejor conservada que existe en el Museo de Antropología y de allí salió ayer para llegar a su nueva casa, el Museo Arqueológico Nacional (MAN), donde será la estrella del nuevo espacio dedicado a la prehistoria canaria.

Con un poema guanche despidieron en el Museo Nacional de Antropología de Madrid a la momia del Barranco de Herques, hallada en 1776 en Tenerife, tras lo que se inició su traslado al Arqueológico con un estricto protocolo de seguridad para evitar su deterioro.

A su llegada al MAN, seis operarios de una empresa especializada en transporte de obras de arte, embutidos en monos de protección y mascarillas, realizaron el traspaso de la frágil momia de la caja en la que fue trasladada a una vitrina especialmente diseñada para mantener las condiciones de conservación idóneas.

Hace unos meses ya se había hecho un simulacro del traslado y colocación de la momia, según explicó a Efe la conservadora jefe del Museo, Teresa Gómez Espinosa, que relató cómo el proceso ha sido muy complejo porque la momia es muy delicada.

La vitrina que la albergará a partir de ahora ha sido especialmente diseñada para mantener las condiciones de conservación idóneas e incorpora complejos dispositivos para análisis y mediciones en su interior con el fin de evitar el riesgo de contaminación por compuestos orgánicos volátiles o por biodeterioro.


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Los momentos en los que la sacaron de la vitrina y el de instalación en la nueva fueron los más críticos, indicó la conservadora jefe, que consideró un éxito la operación, en la que se siguió un preciso protocolo debido a la fragilidad de la momia, muy sensible a las alteraciones.

Un embalaje muy sofisticado, realizado con un molde específicamente para el traslado, protegió a la momia durante el proceso para evitar peligrosos cambios ambientales y de luz.

«Es un ejemplar único», indicó a Efe el director del MAN, Andrés Carretero, que explicó que la operación llevada a cabo ayer es «como trasladar Las Meninas o El Guernica, no puede haber un solo fallo porque puede suponer un daño irreparable para la pieza".

Por ello, señaló, se hizo con todas las garantías y el personal técnico necesario tras los análisis realizados por el personal del Instituto de Patrimonio Cultural y un ensayo de todo el proceso.

Carretero está convencido de que la momia será un atractivo para todo el público y especialmente para los niños pero destacó el interés del museo en completar así la muestra del desarrollo cultural de la actual España ya que Canarias era la única Comunidad Autónoma que no estaba representada.


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Ruth Maicas, del departamento de Prehistoria del MAN, indicó que es muy difícil conocer la fecha de la que data la momia y consideró que queda mucho por investigar en la antropología e historia canaria.


Testimonio de cultura prehispánica

Esta momia, de un hombre adulto y que tras su hallazgo fue enviada al rey Carlos III para el Real Gabinete de Historia Natural por su excepcional estado de conservación, es testimonio de uno de los rasgos más llamativos de la cultura prehispánica en las islas de Tenerife, Gran Canaria y La Palma, que momificaban a miembros destacados de la sociedad y los enterraban en tumbas colectivas en cuevas de difícil acceso, recordó Maicas.

El cuerpo se cubría con pieles de cabra u oveja, y en Gran Canaria se empleaban también tejidos de junco de palma.

El sistema de momificación que se practicaba en las islas Canarias era diferente al de otras culturas y deja visibles más restos del fallecido.

El nuevo espacio dedicado a la arqueología canaria se completa con piezas cerámicas, textiles, ídolos, lascas y otros materiales, además de gráficas, mapas y un audiovisual, que acercan al visitante a la sociedad prehispánica insular.

http://www.abc.es/cultura/abci-momia-guanche-muda-arqueologico-201512151200_noticia.html
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Hellenthal's Maroc 2nd event with estimated
date 718 BCE and 1914 BCE lower boundary
is a time when the Sahara is a dry desert up
to the founding of Garama. Tichitt has begun.

The Greco-Latin docs' pre-Saharans and north
Saharans might of been forming and the Sea
Peoples fit the timeframe.

Their MENA analysis estimated date 690 CE
with 234 BCE lower bound fits Garamante
Kingdom, Tichitt, and Agisymba.


I don't see every single listed donor pop as
actually contributing. Maybe a few as
individual ethniis but overall as elements
of one, two, or three ethnic groups that
are admixed. I mean only isolates can
be 'pure'.

MENA side 2 sure seems Vandal or
something with all of those 'NW' Euros.

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Mzab only gave up one event dated
1334 CE too late to shed light on
Haratin antecedents. The MENA
analysis has 1222 CE. The major
donor side can probably conflate
to two or three ethnies in my
opinion.

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L & B groups represented in the Mzab postdates dates and is the difference in the admixture sources in Moroccan samples, for the most part... They're possibly from ethnically different populations as well. I certainly cant tell with the scanty SNS & North African populations. But yeah, I don't believe any of the populations represent the earliest contributors.

Notice how the supervised/Localized format reduces contribution from SSA groups by reallocating the Near-Eastern like sources to European/Mediterranean populations. For instance, the Mandenka who we know have Sahelian-Saharan ties have about HALF of their contribution under East Sicilian and Ethiopia about 100%. For the Moroccan analysis this reallocation is given to more northern European groups, is this the Hunter gatherer signals later found/explain in busby 2016, Gurdasani 2015, and more..?

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^The Early Eurasian labeled source is the Hunter gather group, the HG groups in this chart are contemporary Africans, Khoi and Rainforest HGs

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Some more from the Cambridge

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We're all familiar with the Sudanese and
Caspian neolithics but I know I neglect
Africa's Mediterranean Neolithic,
peripheral as it is, but maybe now's
time, considering all the farmer and
mixing talk going on around here.

There must be some archaeological
and other discipline evidence in
support of the genetics or . . . ???

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Thanks Elmaestro. Looks like it has nothing to do with Africa genetically.
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quote:

Whereas inferred IBD sharing does not indicate directionality, the North African samples that have highest IBD sharing with Iberian populations also tend to have the lowest proportion of the European cluster in ADMIXTURE (Fig. 1), e.g., Saharawi, Tunisian Berbers, and South Moroccans. For example, the Andalucians share many IBD segments with the Tunisians (Fig. 3), who present extremely minimal levels of European ancestry. This suggests that gene flow occurred from Africa to Europe rather than the other way around.

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Alternative models of gene flow: Migration(s) from the Near East likely have had an effect on genetic diversity between southern and northern Europe (discussed below), but do not appear to explain the gradients of African ancestry in Europe. A model of gene flow from the Near East into both Europe and North Africa, such as a strong demic wave during the Neolithic, could result in shared haplotypes between Europe and North Africa. However, we observe haplotype sharing between Europe and the Near East follows a southeast to southwest gradient, while sharing between Europe and the Maghreb follows the opposite pattern (Fig. 2); this suggests that gene flow from the Near East cannot account for the sharing with North Africa.

--Laura R. Botiguéa,1, Brenna M. Henn et al

Gene flow from North Africa contributes to differential human genetic diversity in southern Europe (July 16, 2013)

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Mindless bump with more images from Mr.Wright

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@Elmaestro ^ It tells a nice story, in addition.

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The Mesolithic–Neolithic transition in southern Iberia

--Cortés Sánchez, M., et al., The Mesolithic–Neolithic transition in southern Iberia, Quat. Res. (2012), doi:10.1016/ j.yqres.2011.12.003

http://pmc.ucsc.edu/~apaytan/publications/2012_Articles/Sanchez%20et%20al%202012.pdf

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I overlooked this figure the last few times I seen it posted on here, this is actually an underrated post as it relates to current events tbh.

Thnx for this.

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Maps like these help understand population
zones and possible relations over millennia.

Might copy and add or make other regional captions.

Comments critiques additions welcome.


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Good topic.
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quote:
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What sources is the map from? Looks like the edge of the actual Sahara
desert, at this point was actually in southern Egypt, which would technically
make part of Egypt "sub-Saharan" at this time.

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I revived map and captions from thread
Sahara Desert Expansion Timeline
and don't remember where they came from..

On this map the Delta and like 99%
of Egypt are in a semi desert that
spans Atlantic to Kuwait.

Only a small coastal area of what's
modern Egypt was inhabitable Med scrub
like most of the coast unto the Maghreb
proper.


BBH made a point about African dichotomy
that got me to take a look at that concept.

Using these 5 maps I can see merit in
BBH's proposition. I do not see the
Maurusian Maghreb coastals or Gafsa
industrials any more indigenous to
final Pleistocene / early-mid Holocene
Egypt than the elements from the bulk
of Africa.

Circa 8250 BCE the Delta and Fayoum
are grasslands. The rest of Egypt is
semi-desert. Easy access is along the
coast.

By c. 6900 BCE grasslands have taken
over the Delta and all but a tiny bit
of coast west of the delta.

From this time until extreme desert
again overtakes northern Africa no
obstacle prevents trans-Africa
communication across Pan-Africa.

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African topography epipaleolithic thru late stone age at a glance (reduced from 1200 pixels wide)

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* Morocco
* Algeria
* Tunisia
* Libya
* Egypt
* Palestine
* Israel
* Lebanon
* Syria

are each one and all Mediterranean.

These countries are African by both
geology and original language if not
by geography.

The earliest inhabitants during the
Ice Age, the Maurusians, were too
long ago to contribute much in
looks to today's people.

When northern Africa greened there
were 'Sudanese' moving into Sahara
as their savannah expanded. Also,
the near coastal people of the time
physical anthropology labeled them
first-Mediterranean and admits they
had attenuated African features.

Note
• Lavender&Yellow expand north, the
environment of 'so-called SSA' peoples;
• Watermelon&Yellow appear then
grow southward with Maurusian relic
and newer first-Mediterranean folk.


Not only in touch with Sudani-Saharo
civilization, Mediterranean coastal
Africans moved and traded across
both the Gibraltar and Sicily straits
during prehistory before the Libyan-
Aegean-Levantine sub-Mediterranean
islands and Sea Peoples era contacts.

Prehistoric times southern Europe, the
north Mediterranean, its ancient DNA
reveals L1 and L2 haplogroups.

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Various offshoots of L arose could have arisen in North Africa at this time and spread to Europe during and after OOA or all of these lineages arose outside of Africa and came back in other eras.

In combination with that either the L lineages stayed to the South and had no impact over the last 10,000 years or the L lineages flowed North based on the movement of the Sahara.

Either the Sahara pump pulled non L mtDNA lineages into North Africa or it pushed out those lineages which arose in Africa but now are seemingly "foreign". And either the basal L lineages were always present to some degree since prior to, during and after OOA or they simply disappeared due to population change.

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Hum Biol. 2010 Aug;82(4):367-84. doi: 10.3378/027.082.0402

Ancient local evolution of African mtDNA haplogroups in Tunisian Berber populations.

Frigi S1, Cherni L, Fadhlaoui-Zid K, Benammar-Elgaaied A.


Abstract

Our objective is to highlight the age of sub-Saharan gene flows
in North Africa and particularly in Tunisia. Therefore we analyzed
in a broad phylogeographic context sub-Saharan mtDNA haplogroups
of Tunisian Berber populations considered representative of
ancient settlement. More than 2,000 sequences were collected
from the literature, and networks were constructed.

• The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would
have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations
around 20,000 years ago.

• Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene
flow to Tunisia, exciting haplogroups L2a and L3b.

This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 BP.

• These findings parallel the more recent findings of both archaeology and linguistics
on the prehistory of Africa. The present work suggests that sub-Saharan contributions
to North Africa have experienced several complex population processes after the
occupation of the region by anatomically modern humans. Our results reveal
that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and
that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
Hum Biol. 2010 Aug;82(4):367-84. doi: 10.3378/027.082.0402

Ancient local evolution of African mtDNA haplogroups in Tunisian Berber populations.

Frigi S1, Cherni L, Fadhlaoui-Zid K, Benammar-Elgaaied A.


Abstract

Our objective is to highlight the age of sub-Saharan gene flows
in North Africa and particularly in Tunisia. Therefore we analyzed
in a broad phylogeographic context sub-Saharan mtDNA haplogroups
of Tunisian Berber populations considered representative of
ancient settlement. More than 2,000 sequences were collected
from the literature, and networks were constructed.

• The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would
have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations
around 20,000 years ago.

• Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene
flow to Tunisia, exciting haplogroups L2a and L3b.

This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 BP.

• These findings parallel the more recent findings of both archaeology and linguistics
on the prehistory of Africa. The present work suggests that sub-Saharan contributions
to North Africa have experienced several complex population processes after the
occupation of the region by anatomically modern humans. Our results reveal
that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and
that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.

Just curious, how do they date the West African contribution to North Africa? Can't read for myself because the article is behind a paywall.
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The age of clusters or expansions was calculated
as the mean Divergence Φ from inferred ancestral
sequence types (Morral et al 1994) and was converted
into Time by assuming that one transition within
nucleotide positions 16090-16365 corresponds to
20,180 years (Forster et al 1996).

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quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
The age of clusters or expansions was calculated
as the mean Divergence Φ from inferred ancestral
sequence types (Morral et al 1994) and was converted
into Time by assuming that one transition within
nucleotide positions 16090-16365 corresponds to
20,180 years (Forster et al 1996).

You just described what I think is the molecular clock. However the study you cited mentioned Subsahran gene flow from East Africa and West Africa. The one from East Africa was timed to 20 000 years ago, whereas teh one from West Africa was simply described as "later". I wanted to know how they dated the Western SSA genetic input in North Africa:

"The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would
have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations
around 20,000 years ago.

• Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene
flow to Tunisia, exciting haplogroups L2a and L3b."

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I gave you a direct quote from the report.
It's on JSTOR if you need something more.

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Never-mind. It's no big deal.
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@Tukuler

Nice maps! Keep up the good work. Always been a fan of your posts.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mansamusa:
Never-mind. It's no big deal.

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I don't get it
I take my time and effort
to answer your question
by scouring the article
and posting the only
relevant thing in it
I could find and
suggesting where to go
for more and all I
get is a brush off?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
quote:
Originally posted by Mansamusa:
Never-mind. It's no big deal.

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I don't get it
I take my time and effort
to answer your question
by scouring the article
and posting the only
relevant thing in it
I could find and
suggesting where to go
for more and all I
get is a brush off?

Well, I really did not mean to give that impression. Thanks for the effort. It's appreciated.
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Two native North African phenotypes.
Note Bardo has since disabled the site linked in this post.

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here
A stereotypical Berber herm as moderns would have it.


The companion ain't so stereotypical but his
'du is the 'du on Numidian cavaliers and the
elder Juba too.

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Earliest Canarian aDNA

Uniparentals with some dates
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Tenerife samples are majority EpiPaleolithic U6 derived females with LateHolocene E-M183 males.
Numerous tribes inhabited the archipelago. The Guanche tribe only inhabited a sector of northern Tenerife.

L3b1a dominates ancient Gran Canaria samples. It positively dates there to at least the 10th century.
No U6 reported. Many tribes inhabited the archipelago.
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L3b1a, has point estimates of 11.7–14.8 ka, with starlike patterns suggesting involvement in major expansion.
L3b1a likely existed in Western Sahara before the southward demographic expansion of Berbers fleeing Arab invasion.

Juba II may have named it after sea lions, Canarii, judging from the below closing sentence. Pliny tells us Juba found
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"traces of buildings; that while they all have an abundant supply of fruit and of birds of every kind, Canaria also abounds in palm-groves bearing dates and in conifers; that in addition to this there is a large supply of honey, and also papryus grows in the rivers, and sheat-fish; and that these islands are plagued with the rotting carcasses of monstrous creatures that are constantly being cast ashore by the sea."
Ol skool anthro Dixon has interesting remarks based on skull and face.
The tribes may've got to the islands at different times from different locales.

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Earliest Canaries aDNA

Deep ancestral roots covered last post, here's genome wide ADMIXTURE and PCA plot of 5 ancient samples' fit among moderns.


Per ADMIXTURE and PCA 7th-11th CE samples are closest to pre-Saharans re
* the Erg Iguidi (near where Democratic Saharawi Arab Republic/Mauritania/Algeria/Morocco all meet)
* the Chotts and Eastern Erg (Tunisia/Algeria)
the horns of a pre-Sahara foot of Atlas arc of population.

Aboriginal Canarians from Tenerife & Gran Canari in red underscore show Saharawi and subset Mzabi near ancestral identity.
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The PCA indicates Tunisia from southern east coast thru to oasis (Mzab) Algeria wider affinities.

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