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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Both originated in Africa, with "negroid" features being older, described as archaic.

The circa 12.000 years in West Africa is pure bigotry, since West Africans originated from East Africa in the first place, long before these 12.000 years.

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Both originated in Africa, with "negroid" features being older, described as archaic.

The circa 12.000 years in West Africa is pure bigotry, since West Africans originated from East Africa in the first place, long before these 12.000 years.

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If the most salient "Caucasoid" traits evolved in Africa, why are they absent from the fossils? Funny, I remember asking Afrocentrists this 6 years ago. No answer. Run away and hide again.

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1) Any of these threads has been found in a number of African populations.


2) Not because it hasn't been found it means it does't or didn't exist.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2359958575_11b2091f1d_o.jpg

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Originally posted by Cass/:
True, but one would expect to see these features on African fossils if they originated there. We don't. Tooth-size reduction began in Europe.

http://www.iu.edu/~semliki/PDFs/BraceRosenbergHunt87.pdf

"Human tooth size, crudely considered, was maintained at the same level through- out the Middle Pleistocene. With the onset of the last glaciation in the Late Pleistocene between 75,000 and 100,000 years ago, dental reduction began to occur among the northernmost inhabitants of the Old World for which we have evidence. Tooth size then began to reduce at a rate of roughly 1 % per 2,000 years until the end of the Pleistocene approximately 10,000 years ago." (Brace et al. 1987)

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Nubia.-Similar trends of Post-Pleistocene dental reduction are also visible beginning in the Mesolithic in Nubia (Calcagno,1983a, 1983b),although there is reason to suspect that Mesolithic tooth size there was as much as 100mm 2 larger than it was in the Middle East and Europe(Greene et al., 1967).

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One last question well worth more attention than it has received lies in the curiously specialized, almost more than modern, character of the Boskopoid line. By some writers, the development of Homo sapiens is correlated with civilization. It is pointed out that the Australian aborigines are macrodont and that civilized whites are microdont, and this is sometimes attributed (often with unconscious Lamarckian tendencies) to the influence of high culture.


That civilization has had, and is having, vast and unknown effects through selection upon human beings, it is not my purpose to deny. But the big-brained pedomorphic Boskopoids with their trend toward microdont dentition and reduced faces were no more civilized than the macrodont Australoids.

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Metrically, Khoesan overall dental size is small, or microdont, in comparison to other human populations (Brace et al. 1991; Drennan 1929b; Haeussler et al. 1989; G.R. Scott and Turner 2000; Sperber 1958; Van Reenen 1964, 1966), and dental dimensions can be affected negatively by attrition shortly after eruption due to the nature of Khoesan diet (Van Reenen 1982).

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The population of AMH spreading in the eastern direction included “softened” Mongoloid elements. The “dialectal continuum” consisting of Proto-Uralic, Proto-Altaic and Palaeo-Siberian- related languages formed the principal communication media of Early Modern Humans in northern Eurasia.

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"haplogroup CF and DE molecular ancestors first evolved inside Africa and subsequently contributed as Y chromosome founders to pioneering migrations that successfully colonized Asia. While not proof, the DE and CF bifurcation (Figure 8d ) is consistent with independent colonization impulses possibly occurring in a short time interval."

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deepest branching separates A1b from a monophyletic clade whose members (A1a, A2, A3, B, C, and R) all share seven mutually reinforcing derived mutations (five transitions and two transversions, all at non-CpG sites).

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The phylogenetic relationships we observed among chromosomes belonging to haplogroups B, C, and R are reminiscent of those reported in the tree by Karafet et al.13 These chromosomes belong to a clade (haplogroup BT) in which chromosomes C and R share a common ancestor (Figure 2).

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When counting from the split of hg DE on the unrooted phylogenetic tree, MA-1 is determined to be carrying the derived allele in 183 sites and the ancestral allele in 1706 sites. The position of MA-1 on the phylogenetic tree is established by the state of the 313 basal mutations separating hgs DE and R, where MA-1 has 143 informative positions. Of these, 138 are in the derived and 5 in the ancestral state, placing MA-1 as a lineage basal to hg R.

With only a few exceptions characterized below, all other informative positions in MA-1 are in the ancestral state, further supporting the phylogenetic positioning of MA-1 on the tree.

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The lack of Late Pleistocene human fossils from sub-Saharan Africa has limited paleontological testing of competing models of recent human evolution. We have dated a skull from Hofmeyr, South Africa, to 36.2 ± 3.3 thousand years ago through a combination of optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-series dating methods. The skull is morphologically modern overall but displays some archaic features. Its strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic (UP) Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people. The Hofmeyr cranium is consistent with the hypothesis that UP Eurasians descended from a population that emigrated from sub-Saharan Africa in the Late Pleistocene.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3325407/table/Tab3/

In our data, with the exception of a low frequency haplotype in Africa, rs916977 and rs1667394 are in nearly complete LD. Therefore, we treat them as another haplotype system, BEH3, blue-eye associated haplotype #3. The blue-eye associated allele of BEH3 is CA, again the derived haplotype. In the HGDP populations BEH3 will consist of rs1667394 only since rs916977 is not present in the data set.

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People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.

A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago, so before then, there were no blue eyes.


"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.

The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.

"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.

The genetic switch is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 and rather than completely turning off the gene, the switch limits its action, which reduces the production of melanin in the iris. In effect, the turned-down switch diluted brown eyes to blue.

If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.


"It's exactly what I sort of expected to see from what we know about selection around this area," said John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, referring to the study results regarding the OCA2 gene. Hawks was not involved in the current study.


Baby blues

Eiberg and his team examined DNA from mitochondria, the cells' energy-making structures, of blue-eyed individuals in countries including Jordan, Denmark and Turkey. This genetic material comes from females, so it can trace maternal lineages.

They specifically looked at sequences of DNA on the OCA2 gene and the genetic mutation associated with turning down melanin production.

Over the course of several generations, segments of ancestral DNA get shuffled so that individuals have varying sequences. Some of these segments, however, that haven't been reshuffled are called haplotypes. If a group of individuals shares long haplotypes, that means the sequence arose relatively recently in our human ancestors. The DNA sequence didn't have enough time to get mixed up.
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"What they were able to show is that the people who have blue eyes in Denmark, as far as Jordan, these people all have this same haplotype, they all have exactly the same gene changes that are all linked to this one mutation that makes eyes blue," Hawks said in a telephone interview.

Melanin switch

The mutation is what regulates the OCA2 switch for melanin production. And depending on the amount of melanin in the iris, a person can end up with eye color ranging from brown to green. Brown-eyed individuals have considerable individual variation in the area of their DNA that controls melanin production. But they found that blue-eyed individuals only have a small degree of variation in the amount of melanin in their eyes.

"Out of 800 persons we have only found one person which didn't fit — but his eye color was blue with a single brown spot," Eiberg told LiveScience, referring to the finding that blue-eyed individuals all had the same sequence of DNA linked with melanin production.

"From this we can conclude that all blue-eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor," Eiberg said. "They have all inherited the same switch at exactly the same spot in their DNA." Eiberg and his colleagues detailed their study in the Jan. 3 online edition of the journal Human Genetics.

That genetic switch somehow spread throughout Europe and now other parts of the world.

"The question really is, 'Why did we go from having nobody on Earth with blue eyes 10,000 years ago to having 20 or 40 percent of Europeans having blue eyes now?" Hawks said. "This gene does something good for people. It makes them have more kids."

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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QB] ^ So what ethnic group has the most / highest of this V88 clade?


He is a Nkombe Cameroonian.


Some of the chromosome buildup of Hg R have been traced back to Africa, before the out of Africa occurred, which means the BASAL is right there in Africa.

So your theory makes no sense.

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Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QB] ^ So what ethnic group has the most / highest of this V88 clade?


He is a Nkombe Cameroonian.


Some of the chromosome buildup of Hg R have been traced back to Africa, before the out of Africa occurred, which means the BASAL is right there in Africa.

So your theory makes no sense.

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That's BS rhetoric you could say that about any haplogroup. What you said makes no sense as to the origin of R.

Has basal R* been found in Africa?

No

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The position of MA-1 on the phylogenetic tree is established by the state of the 313 basal mutations separating hgs DE and R, where MA-1 has 143 informative positions.

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The first branching in the MSY tree has been reported to be the one that separates the African-specific clade A (called clade I in 10) from clade BT (clade II-X in 10), whereas the second branching determines the subdivision of BT in clades B, mostly African, and CT, which comprises the majority of African and all non-African chromosomes.13,14 This branching pattern, along with the geographical distribution of the major clades A, B, and CT, has been interpreted as supporting an African origin for anatomically modern humans , 10 with Khoisan from south Africa and Ethiopians from east Africa sharing the deepest lineages of the phylogeny.15,16

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To test the robustness of the backbone and the root of current Y chromosome phylogeny, we searched for SNPs that might be informative in this respect. To this aim, a resequencing analysis of a 205.9 kb MSY portion (183.5 kb in the X-degenerate and 22.4 kb in the X-transposed region) was performed for each of seven chromosomes that are representative of clade A (four chromosomes belonging to haplogroups A1a, A1b, A2, and A3), clade B, and clade CT (two chromosomes belonging to haplogroups C and R) (Table S1 available online).

The phylogenetic relationships we observed among chromosomes belonging to haplogroups B, C, and R are reminiscent of those reported in the tree by Karafet et al.13 These chromosomes belong to a clade (haplogroup BT) in which chromosomes C and R share a common ancestor (Figure 2).

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
zarahan, there's your proof once again if what I've been saying about Ish Gebor. You bring up any haplogroup and what he will say every time is the ancestor of that group leads back on the phylogenetic tree back to Africa so all haplogroups originate in Africa.

Go ahead ask him to name IN HIS OWN WORDS with no copy and paste to name one single haplogroup which is not African.
He will come up with nothing

I told you I have been watching du for years I know all his quirks, He's an algorithm bot, same thing year after year

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Phylogenetic Mapping

Most of the mutations here analyzed belong to the African portion of the MSY phylogeny, which is comprised of haplogroups A1b, A1a, A2, A3 and B [16]. Through phylogenetic mapping it was possible to identify 15 new African haplogroups and to resolve one basal trifurcation (Figure 1). A new deep branch within the ‘‘out of Africa’’ haplogroup C was also identified (Figure S1).

Haplogroup A1b. The P114 mutation, which defines hap- logroup A1b according to Karafet et al. [14], had been detected in central-western Africa at very low frequencies (in total, three chromosomes from Cameroon) [16,19].

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‘‘Out of Africa’’ haplogroups. All Y-clades that are not exclusively African belong to the macro-haplogroup CT, which is defined by mutations M168, M294 and P9.1 [14,31] and is subdivided into two major clades, DE and CF [1,14]. In a recent study [16], sequencing of two chromosomes belonging to haplogroups C and R, led to the identification of 25 new mutations, eleven of which were in the C-chromosome and seven in the R-chromosome. Here, the seven mutations which were found to be shared by chromosomes of haplogroups C and R [16], were also found to be present in one DE sample (sample 33 in Table S1), and positioned at the root of macro-haplogroup CT (Figure 1 and Figure S1). Six haplogroup C chromosomes (samples 34–39 in Table S1) were analyzed for the eleven haplogroup C- specific mutations [16] and for SNPs defining branches C1 to C6 in the tree by Karafet et al. [14] (Figure S1). Through this analysis we identified a chromosome from southern Europe as a new deep branch within haplogroup C (C-V20 or C7, Figure S1). Previously, only a few examples of C chromosomes (only defined by the marker RPS4Y711) had been found in southern Europe [32,33]. To improve our knowledge regarding the distribution of haplogroup C in Europe, we surveyed 1965 European subjects for the mutation RPS4Y711 and identified one additional haplogroup C chromosome from southern Europe, which has also been classified as C7 (data not shown). Further studies are needed to establish whether C7 chromosomes are the relics of an ancient European gene pool or the signal of a recent geographical spread from Asia. Two mutations, V248 and V87, which had never been previously described, were found to be specific to haplogroups C2 and C3, respectively (Figure S1). Three of the seven R-specific mutations (V45, V69 and V88) were previously mapped within haplogroup R [34], whereas the remaining four mutations have been here positioned at the root of haplogroups F (V186 and V205), K (V104) and P (V231) (Figure S1) through the analysis of 12 haplogroup F samples (samples 40–51, in Table S1).

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Supporting Information

Figure S1 Structure of the macro-haplogroup CT. For details on mutations see legend to Figure 1. Dashed lines indicate putative branchings (no positive control available). The position of V248 (haplogroup C2) and V87 (haplogroup C3) compared to mutations that define internal branches was not determined. Note that mutations V45, V69 and V88 have been previously mapped (Cruciani et al. 2010; Eur J Hum Genet 18:800–807).
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Fulvio Cruciani IS SAYING IT.

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A worldwide phylogeographic analysis of the R1b haplogroup provided strong support to the Asia-to-Africa back-migration hypothesis...

Phylogenetic evidence and coalescence time estimates suggest that R-P25* chromosomes (or their phylogenetic ancestor) may have been carried to Africa by an Asia-to-Africa back migration in prehistoric times.

--Fulvio Cruciani

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yes you got me, he is saying it, you win

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He's constantly quoting cherry picks of researchers who say the opposite of what he thinks.

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According to the current data East Africa is home to nearly 2/3 of the world genetic diversity independent of sampling effect. Similar figure have been suggested for sub-Saharan Africa populations [1]. The antiquity of the east African gene pool could be viewed not only from the perspective of the amount of genetic diversity endowed within it but also by signals of uni-modal distribution in their mitochondrial DNA (Hassan et al., unpublished) usually taken as an indication of populations that have passed through ‘‘recent’’ demographic expansion [33], although in this case, may in fact be considered a sign of extended shared history of in situ evolution where alleles are exchanged between neighboring demes [34].

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Fulvio Cruciani IS SAYING IT.

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A worldwide phylogeographic analysis of the R1b haplogroup provided strong support to the Asia-to-Africa back-migration hypothesis.
--Fulvio Cruciani

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yes you got me, he is saying it

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^^^ what you posted does not say in any form or fashion haplogroup R originated in Africa, close/life

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LOL SMH

Here, the seven mutations which were found to be shared by chromosomes of haplogroups C and R [16], were also found to be present in one DE sample (sample 33 in Table S1), and positioned at the root of macro-haplogroup CT (Figure 1 and Figure S1).

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Ish Gebor, as Lioness says, this applies to every haplogroup. It's Out-of-Africa.

Eurasian Y DNA in general is C, D, and F, branches of CDEF (CT), which is a sub-sub-sub-sub-branch of African Y DNA, hence we say that it originates in Africa and only migrated to Asia at a later period (around the CDEF-F level).

R1b-V88 is a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-branch of non-African F, so we say that it originates in Eurasia and back-migrated to Africa.

If we want to throw out this logic then there is no grounds for Out-of-Africa or anything else.

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Yes, dumbass, mutations found in C and R are also found in DE. Those are the mutations of CDEF (CT). That's why there's a CDEF node. Like 75 000 years ago.

Also mutations found in A and B are found in C and R and DE too! Wow!

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Yes, dumbass, mutations found in C and R are also found in DE. Those are the mutations of CDEF (CT). That's why there's a CDEF node. Like 75 000 years ago.

Also mutations found in A and B are found in C and R and DE too! Wow!

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‘‘Out of Africa’’ haplogroups. All Y-clades that are not exclusively African belong to the macro-haplogroup CT, which is defined by mutations M168, M294 and P9.1 [14,31] and is subdivided into two major clades, DE and CF [1,14]. In a recent study [16], sequencing of two chromosomes belonging to haplogroups C and R, led to the identification of 25 new mutations, eleven of which were in the C-chromosome and seven in the R-chromosome. Here, the seven mutations which were found to be shared by chromosomes of haplogroups C and R [16], were also found to be present in one DE sample (sample 33 in Table S1), and positioned at the root of macro-haplogroup CT (Figure 1 and Figure S1).

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"haplogroup CF and DE molecular ancestors first evolved inside Africa and subsequently contributed as Y chromosome founders to pioneering migrations that successfully colonized Asia. While not proof, the DE and CF bifurcation (Figure 8d ) is consistent with independent colonization impulses possibly occurring in a short time interval."

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yes haplogroups magically stopped forming after people left Africa.
They decided they had enough mutating

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LOL So tell, did people on the African continent had a long or shorter time for mutations compared to those outside of Africa?

This is a relatively simple question, so you should be able to answer this.





Have a nice one for now, I'll be back later… reading your revelations.

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Here's some for you Ish Gebor:

how many mutations are between the root of A and CDEF?

how many mutations are between CDEF and the present?

What's the difference between "a shorter time" and "no time"?

Are you an undergraduate's programming project that he's forgotten about?

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Also mutations found in A and B are found in C and R and DE too! Wow!

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Yeah great isn't it? Cameroon? Weird.

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Genotyping of a DNA sample that was submitted to a commercial genetic-testing facility demonstrated that the Y chromosome of this African American individual carried the ancestral state of all known Y chromosome SNPs. To further characterize this lineage, which we dubbed A00 (see Figure S1, available online, for proposed nomenclature), we sequenced multiple regions (totaling ∼240 kb) of the X-degenerate portion of this chromosome, as well as a subset of these regions (∼180 kb) on a chromosome belonging to the previously known basal lineage A1b (which we rename here as A0).

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The deepest branching separates A1b from a monophyletic clade whose members (A1a, A2, A3, B, C, and R) all share seven mutually reinforcing derived mutations (five transitions and two transversions, all at non-CpG sites). To retain the information from the reference MSY tree13 as much as possible, we named this clade A1a-T (Figure 1). Within A1a-T, the transversion V221 separates A1a from a monophyletic clade (called A2-T) consisting of three branches: A2, A3, and BT, the latter being supported by ten mutations (Figure 1)

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0002929711001649-gr1.jpg

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So... did you bother to find the answer written in the chromosomes?

Wait I forgot you don't even know what a chromosome is. Why am I trying to discuss this with you.

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Some of the chromosome buildup...

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The commonest type of nasal variability is Type A (70.5%), Platyrrhine nose, Type B (26.7%) especially in females (mesorrhine) and Type C (leptorrhine) (2.8%).

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I'm pretty sure capra is anything but a euronut but say what you will on this one Ish

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I'm pretty sure capra is anything but a euronut but say what you will on this one Ish

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But as far as I am aware, Capra doesn't argue for your lunatic Afrocentric "black Egypt" theory. You slander anyone like him who doesn't believe in "black Egypt" as a "Eurocentrist" and/or "Nazi"...

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So even though Upper Egyptians and specific "Nubians" share a common origin firmly in Africa all throughout the predynastic period, only one group is 'black'? Are Lower "Nubians" 'black'?

To say that a Northeast African population with no origins in "Eurasia", sharing a common origin with other closely related 'black' populations in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan, with predominantly mahogany-brown skin is apparently crazy, but to assert that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant (no evidence) is the paragon of sanity?

I provided pictures of 'black' ethnic Egyptians in Southern Egypt and they undoubtedly would have been considered "lunatics" in Jim-Crow America had they professed that they were not 'black'. No one can dispute that Upper Egyptians and "Nubians" stem from a common origin and that they were virtually identical in the predynastic period, so it's inconceivable that only one can be 'black'.

PS: Unlike you, Capra does not argue that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant - a "Hamitic" race from "Eurasia" that brought civilization to the Nile valley before the Neolithic.

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But as far as I am aware, Capra doesn't argue for your lunatic Afrocentric "black Egypt" theory. You slander anyone like him who doesn't believe in "black Egypt" as a "Eurocentrist" and/or "Nazi"...

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So even though Upper Egyptians and specific "Nubians" share a common origin firmly in Africa all throughout the predynastic period, only one group is 'black'? Are Lower "Nubians" 'black'?

To say that a Northeast African population with no origins in "Eurasia", sharing a common origin with other closely related 'black' populations in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan, with predominantly mahogany-brown skin is apparently crazy, but to assert that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant (no evidence) is the paragon of sanity?

I provided pictures of 'black' people in Southern Egypt and they undoubtedly would have been considered "lunatics" in Jim-Crow America had they professed that they were not 'black'. No one can dispute that Upper Egyptians and "Nubians" stem from a common origin and that they were virtually identical in the predynastic period, so it's inconceivable that only one can be 'black'.

PS: Unlike you, Capra does not argue that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant - a "Hamitic" race from "Eurasia" that brought civilization to the Nile valley before the Neolithic.

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Originally posted by Cass/:Its 'inconceivable' to you because you're a proponent of a loon pan-African political theory- where all Africans have to be "black". Let's compare Europe. There's also a skin colour cline/gradient from north-to-south. Southern Europeans are not "white", but a faint light brown so-called olive complexion. I've never labelled or considered Southern Europeans "white". Unlike the Afrocentric nutjobs here, I don't follow some bizarre continental/pan political ideology.

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I'm pretty sure capra is anything but a euronut but say what you will on this one Ish

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But as far as I am aware, Capra doesn't argue for your lunatic Afrocentric "black Egypt" theory. You slander anyone like him who doesn't believe in "black Egypt" as a "Eurocentrist" and/or "Nazi"...

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So even though Upper Egyptians and specific "Nubians" share a common origin firmly in Africa all throughout the predynastic period, only one group is 'black'? Are Lower "Nubians" 'black'?

To say that a Northeast African population with no origins in "Eurasia", sharing a common origin with other closely related 'black' populations in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan, with predominantly mahogany-brown skin is apparently crazy, but to assert that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant (no evidence) is the paragon of sanity?

I provided pictures of 'black' people in Southern Egypt and they undoubtedly would have been considered "lunatics" in Jim-Crow America had they professed that they were not 'black'. No one can dispute that Upper Egyptians and "Nubians" stem from a common origin and that they were virtually identical in the predynastic period, so it's inconceivable that only one can be 'black'.

PS: Unlike you, Capra does not argue that the ancient Egyptians were a Levantine transplant - a "Hamitic" race from "Eurasia" that brought civilization to the Nile valley before the Neolithic.

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Its 'inconceivable' to you because you're a proponent of a loon pan-African political theory- where all Africans have to be "black". Let's compare Europe. There's also a skin colour cline/gradient from north-to-south. Southern Europeans are not "white", but a faint light brown so-called olive complexion. I've never labelled or considered Southern Europeans "white". Unlike the Afrocentric nutjobs here, I don't follow some bizarre continental/pan political ideology.

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Yeah, but you're irrelevant, mate. The people that actually matter -> the elite of the West, do not subscribe to your laughably untenable colour gradient racial politics.

The entire identity and pride of the West is contingent on ancient Greece and Rome; the conventional perspective on the racial origins of the ancient Greeks as propagated by every Western University, is that they were an indigenous Indo-European population that made their way into Greece from the North and cannot be genetically, linguistically and culturaly extricated from other Europeans.

Ancient Greece and Rome are widely valorized in the West to the point that it is intellectually, politically and culturally institutionalized in every facet of Western life; they are considered racially European, and Northwest Europeans strongly identify with them on that basis. Northwest Europeans are eager to associate themselves with the material and philosophical achievements of the ancient Minoans, Greeks, Etruscans and Romans.

No consideration is given to your absurd colour gradient in all of Western academia in regard to ancient Greece and Rome, you befuddled little man. When the movie 300 came out, every white male I knew beamed with pride and proclaimed that the ancient Greeks protected the racial integrity of Europe with their valor.

Greeks and Italians are not "light-brown" and attempts to conflate your absurd description of them with the widely used *olive* descriptive, is ludicrous. These people consider themsleves white, and so I suppose that the entire West is loony.

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Why did ancient Greeks and Romans distinguish their skin colour to more northern peoples?

Not all native populations in Europe are "white", like not all native populations in Africa are "black". This is the simple point I'm making. As I mentioned elsewhere, Afrocentrists are in denial the whole time about basic facts.

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