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I even try to make it a different tribe.

Algeria
Taureg
https://www.amazon.com/Shining-Ones-Etymological-Egyptian-Civilization/dp/1401024122


Angola
The legends of various Ovimbundu royal lineages point to origins in the north and northeast. I think Punt might be more likely as I place it in the great lakes regions
Kibundo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambundu
quote:
The Mbundu are one of the Bantu peoples. They had been arriving in the Angola region from the early Middle Ages on, but the biggest part of the immigration took place between the 13th and 16th century C.E.. Kimbundu is a West-Bantu language, and it is thought that the Mbundu have arrived from the North Africa rather than from the East Africa.[3]
Ok maybe not Angola


Herero
Parliamentary Papers, House of Commons and Command, Volume 17
Its online

quote:
“does not warrant assertion of an definite place of origin Pastor Meinhof a German ethnologist holds that it is not improbable that before becoming part of the Bantu group of nomads the Hereros came from the Nile areas in the far north and that they were then a mixture of Negro and Hamite This writer indicates certain philological similarities which would imply derivation from some common Hamite stem Tobacco pipe 1 Hamitic Galla East Africa Gaya 2 Herero Amakaya Town 1 ganda 2 onganda He quotes many similar instances”
Benin
Fon
https://unseenbenin.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/behanzin-the-last-king-of-dahomey-benin/
Fon conqueror being of Yoruba origin , Fon are therefore of Sudanese origin as Yorubas lineage is rooted back to the Sudan. I placed the Yoruba’s origins in the Sudan



Botswana
Tswana
http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?aid=4824
The book ANCIENT EGYPT IN AFRICA has some interesting quotes and evidence. I lean more towards Punt.

Burkina Faso
Taureg

Burundi
Watusi
https://gakondomedia.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/ankole-watusi-cow/
Link is now dead. I’m reaching with Tutsis. I can’t find any stories of their origins.
Cape Verde
lol

Cameroon
Bamileke
On wikipedia
quote:
The Bamileke, whose origins trace to Egypt, migrated to what is now northern Cameroon between the 11th and 14th centuries. In the 17th century they migrated further south and west to avoid being forced to convert to Islam. Another reason for migration was to resist enslavement during the Atlantic Slave Trade. Today, a majority of peoples within this people cluster are Christians.
Central African Republic
Also wikipedia
quote:
The Sara (Sa-Ra) designation appears to have been derived from Arabic, meaning the Sons of Ra, the ancient Egyptian Sun-God. The Sara lived in the north-east along the Nile River before they sought refuge in the south against northern Arab slave raids. Most Sara are Traditionalist in religion, some worshipping the sun. The Sara are agriculturalists; they form the backbone of the Chadian economy, producing cotton, rice, peanuts, corn, millet, sorghum, and cassava. They live in south Chad, the most well-watered part of the country, thus the most agriculturally productive part.

Chad
Toubou
History
quote:
According to Toubou oral tradition they were Nilotic people who left the Nile areas durin "The Kedh Gurrai." The story of the “Kedh Gurrai” (great migration to the south) states that there was a big war which caused people to disperse in different directions. Some stayed, some moved away, and this was also when people converted to different religions; this migration is believed to have happened around 14th Century AD.
Republic of the Congo
Teke
quote:
According to Abraham Constant Ndinga-Mbo (1984:49) Teke are the oldest stratum of the Bantu population in the Republic of Congo. The historical analysis considers three ways of the first Bantu migration movements, leaving all of the basin of the Nile: the southern way, the equatorial way and the northern way. The Bantu groups borrowed the Nordic way. Indeed, this itinerary is the one that would have been followed by the Bantu detachments that, after having crossed the south-Sudan, the present country of the Central African Republic, reached the region of the Chad lake. This lagoon region of Chad has, it seems, served as a temporary habitat to these Bantu groups before migrating again toward the basin of the Benue (Itoua, op.cit.: 51-52) The Benue was not also a definitive habitat for all of them. From this position the Bantu groups took another migration southwards while borrowing three directions (Guthrie, 1985):\
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Mangbetu
This quote is all over the net. Not sure of the origins.
In the middle of the 18th century the Mangbetu people left the Sudan, they re-located their kingdom in the north-eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangbetu_people#History
Says they come from the north.


Cote d'Ivoire
Akan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akan_people
quote:
Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan relate that they originated from ancient Ghana. They migrated from the north, they went through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was shattered, and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms.
Djbuti
Afar
The Afar are basically nomad squatters.

Egypt
Nubians-Copts

Equitorial Gunie
Igbo
I’m on the fence with Igbo, there are scattered tales, they share words and they did build pyramids.

Eritrea
http://www.madote.com/2013/11/the-kunama-people-of-eritrea_9.html
Kunamas
quote:
are believed to be one of the earliest inhabitants of who originally migrated from the Southern Nile Valley of the Sudan (Nuba Mountains area). The earliest written mention of them comes from an unnamed Arab traveler, who upon visiting Aiwa (near Khartoum, Sudan) in in 872 BCE, noted the 'Cunama' (Kunama) and 'Baria' (Nara) groups were living on the borders of the Alodia (Alwa) Kingdom.[3] Another early glimpse of the Kunama comes from the 10th century Arab geographer Ibn Hawqal. He states they lived in the Barka valley, and fought with bows, poisoned arrows and spears, but did not use shields.[4] He also mentions the Kunama worship a God called Anna, and were ruled by a community of elders.[5]
Read more: http://www.madote.com/2013/11/the-kunama-people-of-eritrea_9.html#ixzz3dxrlYuSo

Ethiopia
Beta
Very we waz Jewish. They are worse than the Hebrew Israelites but even the nonsecs trace their history to Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel#Origins
quote:
Migrants by the Egyptian route[edit]
According to these versions, the forefathers of the Beta Israel are supposed to have arrived in Ethiopia coming from the North, independently from Menelik and his company:

Gabon
Fang
– Theory elaborated by the French (!) Rev. Trilles (1912, 1931)
and several other ‘specialists’:
quote:
‘Egyptian’ origin (plateaux of
Bahr-el-Ghazal) for the Fang population, language and culture The Beti-Pahuin's exact origins are unclear. At one point, they were thought to have migrated into the territory of present-day Cameroon from the Azande area of Sudan

I’m on the fence with them too but it does point towards the Sahara. I think the western or central Sahara are in play too.

The Gambia
Cheikh Anta Diop in the African origins of civilization.
Serer came to Senegal from the Nile basin

Ghana
Gurunsi peoples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurunsi_peoples
quote:
Oral traditions of the Gurunsi hold that they originated from the western Sudan near Lake Chad. While it is unknown when the migration occurred, it is believed that the Gurunsi were present in their current location by 1100 AD. Following the 15th century, when the Mossi states were established to the north, Mossi horsemen often raided Gurunsi areas for slaves, but the Gurunsi peoples were never fully subjugated, remaining independent.
The western Sudan near Chad is not the Nile Valley. Its more like Robert Bauval's estimated Yam locale.



Guinea
Kpelle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kpelle_people
Just look at the history section.

Guinea-Bissau
Balanta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanta_people
quote:
Oral tradition amongst the Balanta has it that they migrated westward from the area that is now Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia to escape drought and wars. Today, the Balanta are mostly found in the south and central regions of Guinea-Bissau.
Years before my Balanta heavy ancestry test.


Kenya
Kalenjin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalenjin_people
quote:
Linguistic evidence points to the eastern Middle Nile Basin south of the Abbai River, as the ancient homelands of the Kalenjin. That is to say south-east of present day Khartoum.
That's according to Chris Ehret. I think the delta or upper Egypt is more likely.

Lesotho
Zulu
Pretty much all the Nguni tribes.

Liberia
Gio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gio_people
quote:
The Dan originally came from the western Sudan region to the north, part of present-day Mali and Guinea. The location and movements of the Dan, Mano, and We can be reconstructed from as early as the 8th century , at which time the Dan and Mano were located in the savanna region of the northern Ivory Coast.[1] In the tenth century, political turmoil, population growth and land depletion caused the Dan to migrate south of the Nimba range and into the high forests.[2]
Also western Sudan. Now with a name like the Dan you know there are 12 tribe stories that tale them to Egypt. See The Genesis of the Bible
By Shaka Saye Bambata Dolo

Libya
Berbers general
None of the tribes except maybe the Toubou trace their history to the Nile and I already mentioned them but since there are thousands. Proximity would dictate something.

Madagascar
Nothing but plants which would indicate trade

Malawi

Ngoni
For being Nguni

Mali
Dogon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhAt_6ojWM4
The Dogon could be a western Sahara people who maintain an old tradition between Egypt and Tichit… so back to Mali... and nothing new found.


Mauritania
Mooors?
Morocco
Moors??
Mauritius
Moors???
NW Africa is weak

Mozambique
Tsonga
http://www.mwelase-clan.com/45302121
Sticking with the Nguni migration.
quote:
The ancient history of the Nguni people is wrapped up in their oral history. According to legend they were a people who migrated from Egypt to the Great Lakes region of sub-equatorial Central/East Africa.[1] The Nguni group migrated along the eastern part of southern Africa in their southward move from central Africa. They migrated southwards over many centuries, with large herds of Nguni cattle, probably entering what is now South Africa around 2,000 years ago in sporadic settlement, followed by larger waves of migration around 1400 AD.
Namibia
I have to go back to the Herro. Nambian tribes do not have mainstream tribes of a migration from that far north.

Niger
Hausa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_language
Native speakers of Hausa, the Hausa people, are mostly found in Niger, in the north of Nigeria, and in Chad. Furthermore, the language is used as a trade language across a much larger swathe of West Africa (Benin, Ghana, Cameroon, Togo, Ivory Coast etc.), Central Africa (Chad, Central African Republic, Gabon) and in northwestern Sudan, particularly amongst Muslims.

Rawanda
Batwa
Kinda half way. They don’t trace their history to the region but history and their genes place them in the region.

Sao Tome and Principe
Uninhabited


Senegal
Wolof
http://wolofresources.org/newwolof.htm
quote:
It is thought that the Wolof came to Senegal from the northeast arriving in the Senegal River Valley in the 11th century. They are said to be composed of an amalgam of Mandingo, Sereer and Fula. Cheikh Anta Diop believes that they came from the Nile valley and that the Wolof were part of the formation of the ancient Egyptian civilization.
I always figured there was a Dinka Senegal link with the number of tall NBA players with a similar look and the sharring of the name Dieng. Gorgi Dieng is Wolof. Luol Deng is Dinka.


Seychelles
lol

Somalia
Sorta like the Twa and Afar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis
quote:
Sudanese, Egyptians, Berbers, North African Arabs, as well as many Mediterranean populations.[168][170] Sanchez et al. (2005) observed the M78 (E1b1b1a1) subclade of E1b1b in about 77.6% of their Somali male samples.[167] According to Cruciani et al. (2007), the presence of this subhaplogroup in the Horn region may represent the traces of an ancient migration from Egypt/Libya.[169]
South Africa
Zulu
Nguni Nguni Nguni

South Sudan
Lots of squatter tribes, Nuer, Dinka, Zande. Surprising amount of black Arabians who trace their lineage to Arabia.

Sudan
Nuba and the Beja
Squatters


Swaziland
Too smallz

Tanzania
Masai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people
quote:
The Maasai speak a Nilo-Saharan language. They inhabit the African Great Lakes region and arrived via the South Sudan.[8]
Togo
Bassa
http://bloggingwithoutmaps.blogspot.com/2013/02/how-bassa-got-their-name.html
quote:
Dr. Syrulwah Soma has written a book on the history of the Bassa (Nyanyan Gohn Manan: History, Migration and Government of the Bassa) in which he proposes that there were actually Bassa on the throne of Egypt as Pharaohs and that at one point in their history the Bassa traded with Hano of Carthage and led armies in conquest of ancient India.
Tunisia
Berbers (Gaetulians)

Uganda
Iteso
and special mention to. To quote Swenet
Karamojong
quote:

Beyoku shows that the Ugandan Nilo-Saharan speaking Karamojong in fact do have the alleles your software associates with Europeans

D2S1338=15

However the common story is..
Karamojong are part of a group that migrated from present-day Ethiopia around 1600 A.D.
Another example of Africa's general east to west migration. A Nilo-Saharan language spoken by Ethiopians with Egyptian genetics.

Zambia
Xhosa
http://xhosaculture.co.za/history-of-amaxhosa-from-200-000-years-ago/
Nguni
quote:
The ancestors of AmaXhosa, amaZulu, AbaMbo, amaVenda and many other African people found in Southern Africa created the world’s first Great Civilisation in Kemet starting from around 5 000 years ago. This great civilisation thrived for about 2500 years, being led by King after King, Pharaoh after Pharaoh from among the African people. These ancestors built pyramids to bury their Kings. Those pyramids are still standing to this day in Kemet (Egypt) & in Nubia (Sudan). They built temples to worship the Gods & Goddesses that made it all possible for them to live such a great life, which are still standing to this day. These Gods and Goddesses were mainly simply representations of the various elements of nature/ neter (Sun, soil, air, water, etc.) and certain human attributes such as love, anger, knowledge, right and wrong, etc.
Zimbabwe
Ndebele

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Now how many of those do you think have scientific evidence ES would concede to?

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Egypt a Pan-African Civilization

Over the years Diop and other researchers have identified linguistic evidence that ancient Egyptian and Black African languages are related. This suggest that speakers of these languages formerly lived together.

It has been pointed out that the ancestors of the Egyptians originally lived in the Sahara.


There are similarities between Egyptian and Saharan motifs (Farid,1985). It was in the Sahara that we find the first evidence of agriculture, animal domestication and weaving (Farid , 1985, p.82). This highland region is the Kemites "Mountain of the Moons " region, the area from which the civilization and goods of Kem, originated.

The rock art of the Saharan Highlands support the Egyptian traditions that in ancient times they lived in the Mountains of the Moon. The Predynastic Egyptian mobiliar art and the Saharan rock art share many common themes including, characteristic boats (Farid 1985,p. 82), men with feathers on their head (Petrie ,1921,pl. xvlll,fig.74; Raphael, 1947, pl.xxiv, fig.10; Vandier , 1952, p.285, fig. 192), false tail hanging from the waist (Vandier, 1952, p.353; Farid, 1985,p.83; Winkler 1938,I, pl.xxlll) and the phallic sheath (Vandier, 1952, p.353; Winkler , 1938,I , pl.xvlll,xx, xxlll).

Due to the appearance of aridity in the Mountains of the Moon the Proto-Saharans migrated first into Nubia and thence into Kem. The Proto-Saharan origin of the Kemites explain the fact that the Kushites were known for maintaining the most ancient traditions of the Kemites as proven when the XXVth Dynasty or Kushite Dynasty ruled ancient Egypt. Farid (1985, p.85) wrote that "To conclude, it seems that among Predynastic foreign relations, the [Proto-]Saharians were the first to have significant contact with the Nile Valley, and even formed a part of the Predynastic population" (emphasis author).

This means that the Nomes probably represent different "states" incorporated into ancient Egypt. It is quite possible that each nome represented a different ethnic group.

If this is true the Egyptian language was probably a lingua franca used to provide a means of communication for the diverse people who lived in ancient Egypt. This would explain why Egyptian was used to write Kushite text until Egyptians migrated into Meroitic lands once Egypt was under the control of the Romans.

Alain Anselin La Question Peule, makes it clear that the Fula originated in Egypt. He supports this theory with the obvious similarity between the words for cattle and milk shared by the Egyptians, Fula and Dravidians (Tamil). He believes that by the 12 Dynasty of Egypt Fula were settled in Egypt.

The Egyptians had many gods. They had these gods because as new ethnicities formed nomes in Egypt they brought their gods with them.

A good example of this amalgamation of various African ethnicities into Egypt is the followers of the god Ra. Some of the first rulers of Egypt saw Ra as the main god.

Later the Egyptians worshipped Aman/Amun which was a Saharan god. ). By the 2nd millennium BC Kushites at kerma were already worshippers of Amon/Amun and they used a distinctive black-and-red ware (Bonnet 1986; Winters 1985b,1991). Amon, later became a major god of the Egyptians during the 18th Dynasty.

A majority of Fula may have remained nomadic, but settled Fula probaly form a major ethnic group in an Egyptian Nome, as did Wolof and Mande speaking people. This is the best way to explain the close genetic linguistic relationship between these groups.

Granted, some Wolof, Mande and Fula made their way to West Africa, but many speakers of these languages remained in Egypt and made up one of the various nomes associated with Egypt.

DNA can tells us little about this period unless they recover DNA from the people living at that time. DNA from living individuals only tell us abou the contemporary group. Not the original people.


Egypt was a cosmopolitan area inhabited by diverse people who move up the Nile from the south to found the First Dynasty. Since the people of Dynastic Egypt originated in the Sahara and moved from south to north . The archaeological evidence makes it clear that no one originated in Egypt.


We know that in African societies great ancestors are made into “gods”. This is interesting because Wally has discovered a number of African ethnonyms among the gods of Egyptian nomes.

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Originally posted by Wally:
  • Ethnic names in the Mdu Ntr

    Tutsi
    Tutsi "the assembled gods"; "all of them (gods)"

    Akan
    Akan - the name of a god
    Akaniu - a class of gods like Osiris

    Fante
    Fante - "he of the nose" - a name of Thoth - one of the 42 judges in the Hall of Osiris ("Shante" in modern Egyptian)

    Hausa
    Hosa - a singing god

    Yoruba
    Ourbaiu - great of souls, a title of gods or kings
    Ouruba - Great God of soul

    The permutations of names of such folks as the Wolof or the Fulani are so many, that it requires the effort of those who speak the language, to properly interpret the names -ie, Djoloff, Oulof, etc. and then look for their meanings in Budge's dictionary...

It would be quite interesting if these nomes were formerly prominent southern nomes who gained prominence once the Inyotefs came to power.

The appearence of these ethnonyms in Egyptian suggest that African tribes now living in West Africans formerly lived in ancient Egypt in the nomes that made up this great empire.

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